Ancestors of Caden Michael Norquist
Ancestors of Caden Michael Norquist

Forty-first Generation

2059356659632. Erik VII SWEDEN King Of Uppsala (Sweden),415,3024,3178,3298 son of Edmund ERIKSSON Of Sweden and REGNERSDATTER, was born about 849 of Uppsala, Sweden and died in 900 in Sweden about age 51. Another name for Erik was Erik EDMUNDSSON.

General Notes:

King of Sweden. Made a god by the Swedish people following his death. Ruled over Finland, Carelia, Esthonia, Courland and wide over all Austria. These countries belonged to Sweden until King Olof Skoetkonung "let all his scatlands get away from him." Scat means tribute or bribe to let them live in peace. [WBH - Sweden]

Snorri Sturluson mentions a King Eirik at Uppsala not long after 850. An inscription on the Sparlosa stone of c. 800 has been interpreted to mean that a king Alrik, son of king Eirik of Uppsala, ruled over Vastergotland at that time, which would suggest an Uppland dominance, and Wulfstan's testimony in the 890s would seem to confirm this. [A History of the Vikings, p. 79]

King of Uppsala; son of Emund of Sweden; father of Bjorn the Old, king of Uppsala. [WFT Vol 5 Ped 650]

King of Sweden; son Edmund Ericksson; father of Bjorn, King of Sweden. [WFT Vol 5 Ped 3563]

Son of Emund Eriksson and ?? Regnersdatter; father of Bjorn 'den gamle' Eriksson. [Andrew Waite <[email protected], 25 Aug 2001]

Erik married.

Children from this marriage were:

1029678329816 i. Bjorn "The Old" Eriksson King Of SWEDEN (born in 867 in Uppsala, Sweden - died in 950 in Sweden)

ii. Alrik Of Vastergotland King was born about 870 of Vastergotland.

2059356659658. Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY,1601,1746,2112,2780 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 860 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 1 September 921 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2780 about age 61. Another name for Richard was Richard De AUTUN.

Richard married Adelaide Of AUXERRE 2112,2780 about 892. Adelaide was born about 872 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 929 about age 57. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide De AUXERRE, Adélaïde De BOURGOGNE, and Adelaide Of BURGUNDY.

2059356659659. Adelaide Of AUXERRE,415,505,1444,2112,2323,2540,2780 daughter of Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of HAUTE ALSACE, was born about 872 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 929 about age 57. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide De AUXERRE, Adélaïde De BOURGOGNE, and Adelaide Of BURGUNDY.

Adelaide married Richard 'The Justiciar" Of AUTUN Duke Of Burgundy,2112,2780 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, about 892.2540 Richard was born in 867 in France and died on 1 September 921 in Auxerre, France 2540,2780 at age 54. Other names for Richard were Richard De AUTUN, Richard II Le Justicier, Duc Bénéficiaire De BOURGOGNE, Richard Le Justicier, and Duke Of BURGUNDY.2323

Adelaide next married Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY 1601,2112,2780 about 892. Richard was born about 860 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 1 September 921 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2780 about age 61. Another name for Richard was Richard De AUTUN.

2059357149472. Sigebert Of VERDUN .1444 Another name for Sigebert was Bouquet IX Of PROVENCE.

Sigebert married Kunigund Of PROVENCE.

The child from this marriage was:

1029678574736 i. Wigeric De La Troesgau, Count Palatine Of AACHEN (born about 882 in Trier, Rhrinland-Pfalz, Germany - died before June 919)

2059357149473. Kunigund Of PROVENCE,1444 daughter of Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence and Ermengarde De LORRAINE.

Kunigund married Sigebert Of VERDUN. Another name for Sigebert was Bouquet IX Of PROVENCE.

2059357149488. Amadeus Count Of BURGUNDY,415,505,1444,2232,2400 son of Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI and Engeltron Of PARIS, was born about 802 in Bourgogne, France and died after 865. Another name for Amadeus was BOURGOGNE.3118

Amadeus married.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Miss Countess Of BURGUNDY was born about 822 in Bourgogne, France.

1029678574744 ii. Anscar II Count Of Orcheret Marquis Of IVREA (born about 827 in Bourgogne, France - died between 891 and 898 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy)

iii. Wildo BURGUNDY.

2059357149492. Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER),415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2972,2973 son of Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI and Engeltron Of PARIS, was born in 800 in Friuli, , Italy, died on 16 December 866 in Italy 2974,2975,2976 at age 66, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Eberhard were Evrard, Eberhard, Marquis Of FRIOUL, Eberhard De FRIULI, Eberhard Di FRIULI,2974 Eberhard Graf Von SULICHGAU, Eberhard, and Count In The SULICHGAU.

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 864. 2973

Eberhard married Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 1601,2973,2975 about 825 in Of, , , France 2972.,2975 Gisela, was born in 820 in Aquitaine, France,2973,2977 died on 1 July 874 1436,2973,2977,2978 at age 54, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Gisela, were Gila, Gisele Of AQUITAINE, Gisela De BAVIERE, Gisèle De FRANCE, and2977 Gisele Princess Of FRANCE.

Noted events in their marriage were:

 Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Bef 840. 2973

2059357149493. Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2973,2975 daughter of Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian and Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA, was born in 820 in Aquitaine, France,2973,2977 died on 1 July 874 1436,2973,2977,2978 at age 54, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Gisela, were Gila, Gisele Of AQUITAINE, Gisela De BAVIERE, Gisèle De FRANCE, and2977 Gisele Princess Of FRANCE.

Gisela, married Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER) 1601,1784,2973 about 825 in Of, , , France 2972.,2975 Eberhard was born in 800 in Friuli, , Italy, died on 16 December 866 in Italy 2974,2975,2976 at age 66, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Eberhard were Evrard, Eberhard, Marquis Of FRIOUL, Eberhard De FRIULI, Eberhard Di FRIULI,2974 Eberhard Graf Von SULICHGAU, Eberhard, and Count In The SULICHGAU.

2059357149494. Suppo Margrave Of SPOLETO,415,1444,2979,2980 son of Maurin Margrave Of SPOLETO and Unknown, was born about 836 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy and died in 885 about age 49. Another name for Suppo was Suppo, Marquis Of SPOLETO.

Suppo married Bertha. Bertha was born about 840 in Italy.

The child from this marriage was:

1029678574747 i. Bertila Of SPOLETTO (born before 865 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy - died in December 915)

2059357149495. Bertha 415 was born about 840 in Italy.

Bertha married Suppo Margrave Of SPOLETO.2979 Suppo was born about 836 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy and died in 885 about age 49. Another name for Suppo was Suppo, Marquis Of SPOLETO.

2059357149496. Herbert Marquis Of Transjuranian BURGUNDY,415,1444,2232,2400 son of Boso III Of East Franks Count Of TURIN and Richilde D' AMIENS, was born about 824 in Bourgogne, France and died in 864 in Orbe, Vaud, Switzerland (Slain) 1447 about age 40. The cause of his death was Killed. Other names for Herbert were Hugbert D' ARLES, Héribert, and Marquis De BOURGOGNE.

General Notes:

Lay Abbot of St Maurice.

Herbert married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029678574748 i. Theobald I Count Of ARLES (born about 860 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died before 896)

2059357149498. Lothar II The Saxon, King Of LORRAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,2151,2777,3299 son of King Of Italy Lothaire I Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Ermengarde De TOURS, was born in 827 in Alsace, Lorraine, France 2776,3266 and died on 8 August 869 in Piacenza, Italy 2151,2776,3267,3268 at age 42. Other names for Lothar were Lothaire II The Saxon, King Of LORRAINE, Lothaire Ii, King From The Carolingian Median Kingdom Of LOTHARINGIA, Lothaire II De Germanie, and Roi De LOTHARINGIE.

General Notes: Lothaire=Lothar II, King de Lorraine (Paul, Nouveau Larousse Universel.) (Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 193, Line 263-39.) (Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome I, Page 384). Born: in 827, son of Lothaire I, Emperor of the West and Ermengarde de Tours Married circa 855: Teutberge de Valois, daughter of Boson III, Count de Turin.

Lothaire II was the King of Lorraine from 855 to 869. He married Teutberge de Valois whom he repudiated in favor of his concubine Walrade. From 858 until 869 he battled to get rid of his wife. This cost him the court of Rome, and an excommunication by the Church, for which he had to beg the pardon of the Pope. Upon the death of his brother, Charles de Provence in 863, Lothar II would get the center of Charles' Kingdom (since Charles had no son). Divorced Teutberge de Valois): in 862. Married on 25 Dec 862: Waldrade d'Alsace; Waldrade was Lothaire's concubine long before he married her after his first wife died. Died: on 8 Aug 869 in Piacenza, Italy, Having no sons upon his death, Lothar II's lands reverted to his sole surviving brother Louis II.

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth Alsace, Lorraine, France, Abt 835. 3300

Lothar married Theutberga 3267 in 1st Wife. Theutberga was born about 830.

Lothar next married Queen Waldrada (Valtrude) Of LORRAINE 1601,1784,2151,3267 on 25 December 862 in 2ND Wife 1447,2776.,3266 Waldrada was born about 840 in Saxony, Germany and died after 868 1447,1784,2776. Other names for Waldrada were Valtrude, Waldrada,2777 Walrade, Waldrata Of ALSACE, and Waldrade Of LORRAINE.

Children from this marriage were:

1029678574749 i. Bertha Princess Of LORRAINE Abbess Of Avenay (born in 863 in Lorraine, France - died on 8 March 924-925 in Lucca, Tuscany, Italy)

ii. Duke Of Alsace Hugues Prince Of LORRAINE was born in 867 in Lorraine, , France and died in 895 at age 28.

iii. Gisela Princess Of LORRAINE was born about 869 in Reims, Lorraine, France and died before 27 October 907 1784. Other names for Gisela were Gisela De LORRAINE, and Gisela De LOTHARINGIA.

iv. Ermengarde Princess Of LORRAINE was born in 873 in , Lorraine, France.

Lothar next married Teutberge Countess In TUSCANY 1601 in 855 in <Alsace, Lorraine, France>. Teutberge was born in <Alsace, Lorraine, France> and died in Y.

Lothar next married Teutberga D' ARLES, daughter of Boso III Of East Franks Count Of TURIN and Engeltrude, in 855.1447 Teutberga died before 25 November 875 1447.

2059357149499. Queen Waldrada (Valtrude) Of LORRAINE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2151,3267 daughter of Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY and Hedwige Of FRIULI, was born about 840 in Saxony, Germany and died after 868 1447,1784,2776. Other names for Waldrada were Valtrude, Waldrada,2777 Walrade, Waldrata Of ALSACE, and Waldrade Of LORRAINE.

Waldrada married Lothar II The Saxon, King Of LORRAINE 1601,2151,2777,3299 on 25 December 862 in 2ND Wife 1447,2776.,3266 Lothar was born in 827 in Alsace, Lorraine, France 2776,3266 and died on 8 August 869 in Piacenza, Italy 2151,2776,3267,3268 at age 42. Other names for Lothar were Lothaire II The Saxon, King Of LORRAINE, Lothaire Ii, King From The Carolingian Median Kingdom Of LOTHARINGIA, Lothaire II De Germanie, and Roi De LOTHARINGIE.

2059357149500. Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY,415,505,1444,2323,2539,2540,2780 son of Conrad I Of Burgundy, Count Of PARIS AND AUXERRE and Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in 825 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died in 881 1447,2539 at age 56. Other names for Conrad were Conrad Ii, Count De AUXERRE, Konrad II Of AUXERRE, Konrad Ii, Count Of AUXERRE,2540 Conrad II Margrave Of TRANSJURANIA, Conrad Ii, and Duke Of TRANSURANAL BURGUNDY.

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 825. 2539

Conrad married Ermentrude Of HAUTE ALSACE.2539 Ermentrude was born before 811 in Alsace, France and died from 20 March 850 to 851. Other names for Ermentrude were Vaudrie, Ermentrude D' ALSACE, Waldrada Of ALSACE, and Waldrada De WORMSGAU.

Conrad next married Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI 1784,2553 in 1st Husband. Judith was born about 837 in Friuli, Italy and died after 853. Other names for Judith were Judith Of FRIAUL, Judith De FRIOUL, Judith Waldrada Of FRIULI, Jutte Of FRIULI, Jeutte. Grafin Von SEULICHGAU, Jhutte Von SHULICHGAU, and Judith Of The SULICHGAU.

2059357149501. Ermentrude Of HAUTE ALSACE,415,505,1444,2539 daughter of Luitfried III Count Of Upper ALSACE and Unknown, was born before 811 in Alsace, France and died from 20 March 850 to 851. Other names for Ermentrude were Vaudrie, Ermentrude D' ALSACE, Waldrada Of ALSACE, and Waldrada De WORMSGAU.

Ermentrude married Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY 2539.,2780 Conrad was born in 825 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died in 881 1447,2539 at age 56. Other names for Conrad were Conrad Ii, Count De AUXERRE, Konrad II Of AUXERRE, Konrad Ii, Count Of AUXERRE,2540 Conrad II Margrave Of TRANSJURANIA, Conrad Ii, and Duke Of TRANSURANAL BURGUNDY.

2059357149502. Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence,415,1444,1784,2638,3301 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

Boso married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 847 in France.

Boso next married Ermengarde De LORRAINE 3204,3302 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Ermengarde was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

Children from this marriage were:

1029681718035 i. Engelberge De PROVENCE (born about 877 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died after January 916-17)

ii. Hugh De PROVENCE was born in 884.

1029678574751 iii. Willa Of VIENNE (born about 878 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 14 June 929)

1029681718036 iv. Emperor Louis III "The Blind" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born about 883 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died on 5 June 928 in Arles, -, France)

1029681718061 v. Ermengarde Of PROVENCE (born about 870 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France - died before 21 April 935 in Reulle-Vergy, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France)

2059357149473 vi. Kunigund Of PROVENCE

2059357149503. Ermengarde De LORRAINE,415,1444,3204,3302 daughter of King Of The Lombards Louis II Emperor Of The West HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Engeberge Of ALSACE, was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

General Notes: Before 866 - mistress of Byzantine Emperor. [Ancestral Roots]

Ermengarde married Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence 1784,2638,3301 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Boso was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

2059357149568. Eberhard III Count Of MAINGAU, son of Eberhard II Count Of LAHNGAU and Unknown, was born about 920 in Main River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died in 982 about age 62.

Eberhard married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029678574784 i. Arnold I Comte De CHINY (born about 945 in Main River Valley, Hesse, Germany - died in 982 in Chiny, Luxemburg)

2059357210592. Eudes De DAMMARTIN Of Norton & Mendlesham,670,1120,1407 son of Hugues I De Montdidier Comte De DAMMARTIN and Rohese Fitzrichard De CLARE, was born about 1082 in Mendlesham, Hartismere, Suffolk, England and died in 1130 in Norton, Stow, Suffolk, England 1407 about age 48. Another name for Eudes was Hugues II Comte De DAMMARTIN.

Eudes married Basilie.1407 Basilie was born about 1085 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

1029678605296 i. Alberic I Comte De DAMMARTIN Lord Of Norton (born in 1110 in Dammartine, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France - died in 1183 in Norton, Stow, Suffolk, England)

ii. Manasser De DAMMARTIN Of Mendlesham, Cotton was born about 1115 in Mendlesham, Hartismere, Suffolk, England and died before 1179 in Norton Mandeville, Ongar, Essex, England 3303.

2059357210593. Basilie 670,1407 was born about 1085 in France.

Basilie married Eudes De DAMMARTIN Of Norton & Mendlesham 1120.,1407 Eudes was born about 1082 in Mendlesham, Hartismere, Suffolk, England and died in 1130 in Norton, Stow, Suffolk, England 1407 about age 48. Another name for Eudes was Hugues II Comte De DAMMARTIN.

2059357210596. Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT,415,670,2218,2219,2220 son of Renaud De CREIL Chamberlain Of Clermont and Ermengardis Of CLERMONT, was born in 1030 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1101 2221 at age 71. Another name for Hugh was Hugh De CREIL Comte De Clermont.

General Notes: Hugues, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Margaret, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF Rouci and MONTDIDIER. [Complete Peerage]

Hugh married Margaret De ROUCY 2218,2219,2220 about 1080.2221 Margaret was born in 1045 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1110 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France at age 65.

2059357210597. Margaret De ROUCY,415,670,2218,2219,2220 daughter of Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY, was born in 1045 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1110 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France at age 65.

General Notes: Margaret, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF Rouci and MONTDIDIER. [Complete Peerage]

Margaret married Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT 2218,2219,2220 about 1080.2221 Hugh was born in 1030 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1101 2221 at age 71. Another name for Hugh was Hugh De CREIL Comte De Clermont.

2059357210598. Renaud I Comte De BAR-LE-DUC & Mousson,670,2808,3304 son of Thierry II Comte De Montbeliard & BAR-LE-DUC and Ermentrude Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1090 in Bar-Le-Duc, Meuse, Argonne/Lorraine, France 3304 and died from 10 March 1149 to 1150 in Mousson, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 2808,3304 about age 59. Another name for Renaud was Renaud I Comte De Bar-Le-Duc & MOUSSON.

Renaud married Gisele De VAUDEMONT 2808,3305 in 1120.3304 Gisele was born about 1100 in Vaudemont, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1141 3305 about age 41.

Children from this marriage were:

1029678605299 i. Clemence De BAR-LE-DUC (born about 1120 in Bar-Le-Duc, Meuse, Argonne/Lorraine, France - died after 20 January 1182-1183 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France)

ii. Renaud II Comte De BAR-LE-DUC & Mousson was born about 1122 in Bar-Le-Duc, Meuse, Argonne/Lorraine, France and died on 25 July 1170 in Mousson, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 3306 about age 48. Other names for Renaud were Renaud II De Bar-Le-Duc Count De BRIE, and Renaud II Comte De Bar-Le-Duc & MOUSSON.

iii. Mathilde De BAR-LE-DUC was born about 1125 in Mousson, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France.

iv. Agnes De BAR-LE-DUC was born in 1140 in Bar-Le-Duc, Meuse, Argonne/Lorraine, France 3307 and died in 1185 3307 at age 45. Another name for Agnes was Agnes De BAR.

2059357210599. Gisele De VAUDEMONT,670,2808,3305 daughter of Gerard I Comte De VAUDEMONT and Helwide "Edith" Von EGISHEIM, was born about 1100 in Vaudemont, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1141 3305 about age 41.

Noted events in her life were:

 Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef 26 December 1127.

Gisele married Renaud I Comte De BAR-LE-DUC & Mousson 2808,3304 in 1120.3304 Renaud was born about 1090 in Bar-Le-Duc, Meuse, Argonne/Lorraine, France 3304 and died from 10 March 1149 to 1150 in Mousson, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 2808,3304 about age 59. Another name for Renaud was Renaud I Comte De Bar-Le-Duc & MOUSSON.

2059357210600. Guy II Count Of PONTHIEU,415,670,1120,1357 son of William III TALVAS Count Of Alencon & Ponthieu and Alice (Alix Or Ela) Borel Of BURGUNDY Duchess Of Alençon, was born in 1118 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 389,390 and died in 1147 in Ephesus, Ionian, Turkey, Asia Minor 389,390,1120,1357 at age 29.

Guy married Ida De ST. POL 1120,1357 before 1135. Ida was born about 1122 in St. Pol, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 1182 about age 60.

The child from this marriage was:

1029678605300 i. John (Jean) I Count Of PONTHIEU (born about 1140 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died in 1191 in Acre, Palestine)

2059357210601. Ida De ST. POL,670,1120,1357 daughter of Hugh III Comte De ST. POL and Beatrice, was born about 1122 in St. Pol, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 1182 about age 60.

Ida married Guy II Count Of PONTHIEU 1120,1357 before 1135. Guy was born in 1118 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 389,390 and died in 1147 in Ephesus, Ionian, Turkey, Asia Minor 389,390,1120,1357 at age 29.

2059357210602. Anselme Candavaine Comte De ST. POL,670,1120,1302,3308 son of Hugh III Comte De ST. POL and Beatrice, was born about 1120 in St. Pol, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 1174 1302 about age 54. Another name for Anselme was Anselme CANDAVAINE Count Of St Pol.

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1164. 1957

Anselme married Eustachie De CHAMPAGNE 1120,1302,3192,3308 before 1153 in 2ND Husband 1302.,3309 Eustachie was born about 1136 in Champagne, France.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Hugh IV Comte De ST. POL was born about 1153 in St. Pol, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in FEB 1204/05 in Constantinople, Turkey 668 about age 52.

1029678605301 ii. Beatrice De ST. POL (born about 1155 in St. Pol, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France - died after 1192)

2059357210603. Eustachie De CHAMPAGNE,670,1120,1302,3192,3308 daughter of Eustace IV Count Of BOULOGNE and Unknown MISTRESS, was born about 1136 in Champagne, France.

General Notes: Eustachie de Champagne, m. (1) Geoffrey de Mandeville, dsp. Earl of Essex, divorced; m. (2) Anselme Candavaine, Count of Saint-Pol, d. 1164. She had three sons: Hugh, count of St. Pol, Engerrand, Guy. [Ancestral Roots]

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Ancestral Roots claims that Eustachie is an illegitimate daughter of Eustace de Boulogne. But the following post to SGM, 28 Aug 1998, by Todd A. Farmerie discounts that in favor of another line for Eustachie. I am sticking with AR until some decisive evidence arises.

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])

Subject: Re: John I of Ponthieu

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval

Date: 2002-06-09 12:59:30 PST

Todd A. Farmerie wrote:

> Beatrice of St. Pol, daughter of Anselme, Count of St. Pol, by Eustachie.

As has been pointed out, Eustachie was suggested by Charles Evans to be illegitimate daughter of Eustace, son of King Stephen. This conclusion was based on onomastics and kinship. Eustachie is specifically stated to have been a kinswoman of King Henry II, and is found in several modern sources as Eustachie of Champagne. Eustachie being the female form of Eustace, Evans argued that the only time that Eustace/Eustachie was associated with Champagne was following the marriage of King Stephen to Matilda of Boulogne, daughter of Eustace III of Boulogne. He then chose Eustace, Stephen's son (and Henry II's second cousin) to be father of Eustachie. (It is unclear why Eustace was preferable to Evans over his brother William.) That, anyway, is Evans' suggestion.

The problem with this is that I have traced back her being called Eustachie "of Champagne", and cannot find anything contemporary that calls her this. Where does it come from, then? (One possibility is that this somehow derived from a misunderstanding regarding the nickname of her husband, Anselme 'Campdaveine'.) If "de Champagne" is non-contemporary, then the primary reason for attaching her to the Champagne/Boulogne family disappears.

It is in this context that we can view the suggestion of Kathleen Thompson, (apparently again based on onomastics and kinship), that Eustachie was daughter of William Gouet (III) by his wife Mabel. This would make her, on her father's side, granddaughter of Eustachie, wife of William Gouet (II), explaining her given name, and on her mother's side, granddaughter, through an illegitimate daughter Mabel, of King Henry I, making her (half-)first cousin of King Henry II. Thus this solution accounts for both the kinship and onomastics.

The take-home message here is that Evans based his conclusion on scant evidence, at least some of which appears to have been flawed. There is an alternative that explains the existing material at least as well, and doesn't require the invention of an illegitimate child of Eustace IV of Boulogne, otherwise thought to have d.s.p.

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Eustachie married Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE 2nd Earl Of Essex,1302,3309 son of Unknown and Unknown, in 1st Husband (Divorced) 1302.,3309 Geoffrey was born in 1134 in Great Waltham, Essex, England and died on 21 October 1166 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Dsp) at age 32.

Eustachie next married Anselme Candavaine Comte De ST. POL 1120,1302,3308 before 1153 in 2ND Husband 1302.,3309 Anselme was born about 1120 in St. Pol, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 1174 1302 about age 54. Another name for Anselme was Anselme CANDAVAINE Count Of St Pol.

2059357210604. Louis VI "The Fat" King Of FRANCE,415,670,1524,1993,2138 son of Philip I "The Fair" King Of FRANCE and Bertha Of HOLLAND, was born in 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1993,2138 and died on 1 August 1137 in Chateau Bethizy, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,1993,2138 at age 56.

General Notes:

Almost all of his 29 year reign was spent fighting either the "robber barons" who plagued Paris, or the English. Nonetheless, King Louis managed to reinforce his power considerably and endeared himself to the working classes of France.

Louis VI died on August 1, 1137 and is interred in Saint Denis Basilica.

He was succeeded on the throne by his son Louis VII. 2139

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1077. 1524

 Ruled: 1108-1137.

Louis married Lucienne De MONTLHERY,2140,2141 daughter of Guy II De MONTLHERY Comte De Rochefort and Unknown, in 1104 in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1107.2140 Lucienne was born in 1088 in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2140 and died after 1137. Another name for Lucienne was Lucienne De ROCHEFORT.

Louis next married Adelaide Of SAVOY 1524,1914,1993 in April 1115 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1524.,1993 Adelaide was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1993 and died on 18 November 1154 1524,1993 about age 62. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Of MAURIENNE.

2059357210605. Adelaide Of SAVOY,415,670,1524,1914,1993 daughter of Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY and Gisela Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1993 and died on 18 November 1154 1524,1993 about age 62. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Of MAURIENNE.

Adelaide married Louis VI "The Fat" King Of FRANCE 1524,1993,2138 in April 1115 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1524.,1993 Louis was born in 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1993,2138 and died on 1 August 1137 in Chateau Bethizy, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,1993,2138 at age 56.

Adelaide next married Mathieu (Matthew) I De MONTMORENCY,1914,1920 son of Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY and Agnes De BEAUMONT, after 1141 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.1920 Mathieu was born about 1090 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 28 October 1160 1914 about age 70.

2059357210606. Alfonso VII "The Emperor" King Of Leon & CASTILE,415,670,2165,2166,2167 son of Raymond Of BURGUNDY Count Of Castile and Urraca Princess Of Leon & CASTILE, was born from 1 March 1104 to 1105 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2165 and died on 21 August 1157 in La Fresneda, Teruel, Castile, Spain 2165 at age 53. Another name for Alfonso was Alfonso VII "Emperor" King Of LEON & Castile.

General Notes:

ALPHONSO VII, "The Emperor" (1126-1157), is a dignified and somewhat enigmatical figure. A vague tradition had always assigned the title of emperor to the soverign who held Leon as the most direct representative of the Visigothic kings, who were themselves the representatives of the Roman empire. But though given in charters, and claimed by Alphonso VI and the Battler (Alphonso I, King of Aragon), the title had been little more than a flourish of rhetoric. Alphonso VII was crowned emperor in 1135, after the death of the Battler. The weakness of Aragon enabled him to make his superiority effective. He appears to have striven for the formation of a national unity, which Spain had never possessed since the fall of the Visigoth kingdom. The elements he had to deal with could not be welded together. Alphonso was at once a patron of the Church and a protector if not a favourer of the Mohammedans, who formed a part of his subjects. His reign ended in an unsuccessful campaign against the rising power of the Almohades. Though he was not actually defeated, his death in the Pass of Muradel in the Sierra Morena, while on his way back to Toledo, occurred in circumstances which showed that no man could be what he claimed to be---"king of the men of the two religions." His personal character does not stand out with the emphasis of those of Alphonso VI or the Battler. Yet he was a great king, the type and, to some extent, the victim of the confusions of his age---Christian in creed and ambition, but more than half oriental in his household. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed., Vol. 1, pg. 687, ALPHONSO VII]

Alfonso married Berenguela Of BARCELONA 2166,2167 before July 1124 in La Fresneda, Terue, Spain (2ND Husband).2166 Berenguela was born in 1110 in Barcelona, Aragon, Spain and died from 2 February 1148 to 1149 in Palencia, Leon, Spain 2166 at age 38.

Alfonso next married Richilde Of POLAND,2166 daughter of Vladislas II King Of POLAND and Agnes Margravine Of AUSTRIA, in July 1152 in Wroclaw, Poland.2166 Richilde was born in 1131 in Wroclaw, Poland and died on 16 June 1175 2172 at age 44. Other names for Richilde were Ryksa Of CASTILE, and Ryksa Of CASTILLE.

2059357210607. Berenguela Of BARCELONA,415,670,2166,2167 daughter of Ramon Berenguer III Count Of BARCELONA and Dulce Aldonza Of MILHAUD, was born in 1110 in Barcelona, Aragon, Spain and died from 2 February 1148 to 1149 in Palencia, Leon, Spain 2166 at age 38.

Berenguela married Alfonso VII "The Emperor" King Of Leon & CASTILE 2165,2166,2167 before July 1124 in La Fresneda, Terue, Spain (2ND Husband).2166 Alfonso was born from 1 March 1104 to 1105 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2165 and died on 21 August 1157 in La Fresneda, Teruel, Castile, Spain 2165 at age 53. Another name for Alfonso was Alfonso VII "Emperor" King Of LEON & Castile.

2059357211664. Frodo (Frotho) King Of DENMARK King Of Sjaelland,415 son of Hardecanute (Knud) Sigurdsson King Of DENMARK and Elgiva, was born about 835 in Sjaelland Island, Denmark and died in 885 of Haalogaland about age 50. Other names for Frodo were Frotho VI Fra Danmark, and Frodo KNUDSEN King Of Denmark.

General Notes:

b. 820, d. 885; son of Canute Sigurdsson; father of Gorm Enske who m. Sida. [Terry Walters <[email protected], 2 Nov 2001]

Frodo married Asloga. Asloga was born about 820 of Denmark.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Gorm ENSKE King Of Sjaelland was born about 835 in Sjaelland, Denmark and died in 885 in Denmark about age 50. Another name for Gorm was Frotho.

1029678605832 ii. Harald "Parcus" King Of Sjaelland DENMARK (born about 858 in Sjaelland Island, Denmark - died in 899)

2059357211665. Asloga was born about 820 of Denmark.

General Notes:

m. Frotho VI of Denmark; mother of Gorm who m. Sida. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 Dec 2001]

Asloga married Frodo (Frotho) King Of DENMARK King Of Sjaelland. Frodo was born about 835 in Sjaelland Island, Denmark and died in 885 of Haalogaland about age 50. Other names for Frodo were Frotho VI Fra Danmark, and Frodo KNUDSEN King Of Denmark.

2059357211666. Aethelred I King Of Kent & WESSEX,415,825,1062,1065,1513,1601,1746,1784,2721,3223,3310,3311,3312,3313 son of Aethelwulf King Of Kent & WESSEX and Osburgh Of WIGHT Queen Of Wessex, was born about 830 in Wessex, England, died on 23 April 871 in Merton, Torrington, Devonshire, England 3311,3314 about age 41, and was buried in Wimborne, Dorsetshire, England.3310,3315 Another name for Aethelred was Æthelred I Of Wessex.

General Notes:

King of the West Saxons (866-71). [Funk & Wagnalls]

865 - succeeds his brother Ethelbert I as king of England [Timetables of History]

King of the West Saxons and Kentishmen. [The Story of England]

At the time of his reign the Northmen were settled on the coast of Ireland and the coast of Gaul; they were masters of the sea; and from west and east alike they closed upon Britain. While one host from Ireland fell on the Scot kingdom north of the Firth of Forth, another from Scandinavia landed in 866 on the coast of East Anglia under Hubba and marched the next year upon York. Mercia was saved from the Norsemen by King Ethelred when he marched to Nottingham in 868, but it was only a brief respite. The Norsemen soon resumed their attacks. Ethelred was killed fighting the Norsemen who invaded the tongue of land between the Kennet and the Thames. [WBH - England]

After the death of Ethelbald, if he were childless, the succession of Wessex was left to Ethelred, 3rd son, and to Alfred. In little more than 2 years after the decease of his father, King Ethelbald dies. Alfred is now 12 years old. The two younger brothers assert no claim to the separate sovereignty, and Ethelbert of Kent is king also of the other dominions. There is no doubt that Alfred lived with his reigning brother, as documents exist bearing both their signatures. He, as well as Ethelred, had given up the patrimonial inheritance to him who was to maintain the dignity of the family and the safety of the kingdom. Some say he died "worn down with numberless labours" after fighting numerous battles with the invading Danes; some say it was from a fatal wound in the battle of Merton. Died leaving two infant sons, but since Alfred ruled jointly with him, he succeeded Ethelred. [Knight's Popular History of England, Vol. 1, p. 101, 116]

Son of Aethelwulf; reigned 865-71. [Chronicle of the Royal Family, chart]

Son of Aethelwulf and Osburh; king of Wessex 868-72; father of Aethelhelm. [Ancestral Roots, p. 5]

Son of Ethelwulf, King of Wessex, and Osburh. [WFT Vol 1 Ped 986]

Noted events in his life were:

 Ruled: 865/866-871. 2303

Aethelred married Wulfrida Of WESSEX in 867. Wulfrida was born about 840 in Wessex, England. Another name for Wulfrida was Wulfthryth Of Wessex.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Aethelhelm Of WESSEX Ealdorman Of Wiltshire was born about 859 of Wiltshire, England and died in 923 1784,3316 about age 64. Another name for Aethelhelm was Ethelhelm Earl Of WESSEX.

1029678605833 ii. Elfgifu Princess Of WESSEX (born about 860 in Wessex, England)

iii. Aethewald Of The ANGLO-SAXONS was born about 868 of Wessex and died in 902 of York about age 34.

2059357211667. Wulfrida Of WESSEX 415 was born about 840 in Wessex, England. Another name for Wulfrida was Wulfthryth Of Wessex.

General Notes:

m. Æthelred I King of England; mother of Athelhelm, Athelwold, and Eligiva. [Terry Walters <[email protected], 2 Nov 2001]

Wulfrida married Aethelred I King Of Kent & WESSEX 825,1062,1065,1513,1601,1784,2721,3223,3310,3311,3312,3313 in 867. Aethelred was born about 830 in Wessex, England, died on 23 April 871 in Merton, Torrington, Devonshire, England 3311,3314 about age 41, and was buried in Wimborne, Dorsetshire, England.3310,3315 Another name for Aethelred was Æthelred I Of Wessex.

2059357211736. Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne],415,1011,1601,1746 son of Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE and Perrone Of VERMANDOIS, was born about 846 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died from after 28 January 892 to 893 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France 1011. Another name for Pépin was Pepin I De VERMANDOIS Comte De Senlis.

Pépin married.

2059357214848. Eystein "The Chatterer" Ivarsson NORWAY Jarl Of The Upplands,415,1444,1601,1746,3259,3260 son of Ivar Halfdansson Oplaendinge, Jarl Of The UPLANDERS and Eysteinsdatter Of TRONDHEIM, was born about 810 in Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway and died in 862 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway about age 52. Other names for Eystein were Eisten Glumru, Eystein Glumra=Eloquent Or Noisy Earl, Vors, Rystein, Earl Of MORE, and OPPLAND.

General Notes:

The following post by Curt Hofemann, [email protected], indicates the difficulty in "proving" anything about these early Scandinavian peope. Their ancestry is taken mostly from 12th century writers and old Sagas passed down through the centuries. The sagas, which probably contain some "truths", also contain a lot of fabulous stories about the lives of the early rulers. As the people of the period did not have writing, it is difficult to "prove" anything.

On the other hand, after just a few years of medieval genealogy, I can probably name all of the kings of England, from memory, starting with Edward the Confessor, which is almost a thousand year period; and that is without any concerted effort to memorize them; I could probably go back further if I tried. There is no reason to assume that the people of the 12th century were any less inaccurate in their oral tradition of keeping track of such things as the ancestry of the Scandinavian ruling families.

Thus I don't believe in throwing such people on the trash heap because, by circumstance, they had nothing written about them by themselves or by their contemporaries. I think that such people should be included, but with an understanding that their information is, by necessity, obtained in a different and less precise manner than other people in one's family pedigree.

By that token, you can divide them into "historical" figures proven by something written during their lifetime or soon after, and "legendary" figures, who I think probably did exist, but are only proven by sagas and oral traditions written down in the 12th century.

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Earl of More [Ref: Wurts p421]

Jarl of Hademerken [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p170]

Eynstein the Eloquent, or Noisy [Ref: Watney #740]

Research note: Eysteinn Glumra (of dubious historicity). Genealogies in late Icelandic sources make Rognvaldr a son of Eysteinn Glumra, son of Ívarr, son of Hálfdan the Old [OI 1: 187 (from Landnáamabók iv.14.1); OS 3]. These sources are not independent, but depend on each other in a way that is not entirely clear. Given the general unreliability of the Scandinavian saga sources for such an early period, there is no good reason to believe that Eysteinn or the earlier generations are historical. [Ref: Henry Project citing:

OI = Gudbrand Vigfusson and F. York Powell, ed. & trans., Origines Islandicae, 2 vols. (Oxford, 1905).

OS = OrkS = Hermann Pálsson and Paul Edwards, ed. & trans., Orkneyinga Saga (London, 1978). Citation is by chapter, with the page number in parentheses]

Regards,

Curt

Eystein married Countess Of Uppland Ascrida (Aseda) Rognvaldsdatter NORWAY 1601,2069 in 846 in Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway. Ascrida was born about 825 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway. Other names for Ascrida were Adends, Ascrida Rognvaldsson Of JUTLAND, Aseda Of JUTLAND, and Ascrida RAGNVALDSDOTTIR.

Eystein next married Princess Of Maer Jocunda HUNTHIOFSDATTER 1601 about 862 in Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway. Jocunda was born in <Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway> and died in Y.

2059357214849. Countess Of Uppland Ascrida (Aseda) Rognvaldsdatter NORWAY,415,1444,1601,1746,2069 daughter of Rognvald Olafsson Of AGDER and Tora SIGRUDSDOTTIR, was born about 825 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway. Other names for Ascrida were Adends, Ascrida Rognvaldsson Of JUTLAND, Aseda Of JUTLAND, and Ascrida RAGNVALDSDOTTIR.

Ascrida married Eystein "The Chatterer" Ivarsson NORWAY Jarl Of The Upplands 1601,3259,3260 in 846 in Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway. Eystein was born about 810 in Of, Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway and died in 862 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway about age 52. Other names for Eystein were Eisten Glumru, Eystein Glumra=Eloquent Or Noisy Earl, Vors, Rystein, Earl Of MORE, and OPPLAND.

2059363435664. Helgaud II Comte De PONTHIEU 415,1120 was born about 856 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 936 1120 about age 80.

Helgaud married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681717832 i. Herlouin II Comte De PONTHIEU (born about 875 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France - died on 13 August 943)

2059363436048. Ranulph I Count Of Poitou Duke Of AQUITAINE,415,1444,3317 son of Gerard (Gerhard) Count Of AUVERGNE and Rotrude (Hildegarde) Princess Of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 825 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 5 July 866 3317,3318 about age 41. Other names for Ranulph were Ramnulf I De POITIERS, and Ranulph I Count Of POITOU I Duke Of Aquitaine.

Noted events in his life were:

 Title: Abt 852-866. 3318

Ranulph married Countess Blichilde Du MAINE 1601,3317 about 845 1436.,3317 Blichilde was born about 827 in Maine, France.

Children from this marriage were:

1029681718024 i. Ranulph II Count Of POITOU (born about 855 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France - died on 5 August 890)

ii. Gauzbert.

iii. Ebalus, Abbot Of POITIERS.

2059363436049. Countess Blichilde Du MAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,3317 daughter of Roricon II (Rorick) Comte Du MAINE and Blichilde Countess Of MAINE, was born about 827 in Maine, France.

Blichilde married Ranulph I Count Of Poitou Duke Of AQUITAINE 3317 about 845 1436.,3317 Ranulph was born about 825 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 5 July 866 3317,3318 about age 41. Other names for Ranulph were Ramnulf I De POITIERS, and Ranulph I Count Of POITOU I Duke Of Aquitaine.

Blichilde next married Bernard I Count Of POITIERS,1601 son of Count Of Poitiers RENAUD and Unknown, about 834 in <Of, Poitiers, Aquitaine>. Bernard was born about 815 in Of, Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine and died in 844 about age 29.

Children from this marriage were:

i. RANULPH Count Of Poitiers was born about 835 in Of, Poitiers, Aquitaine and died in 875 about age 40.

ii. Emenon De POITIERS was born about 839 of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine and died in Y.

iii. Gauzbert De POITIERS was born about 841 of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine and died in Y.

iv. Wulgrim De ANGOULEME was born about 843 in Of, Maine, , France and died on 3 May 886 in Of, Angoulême, Aquitaine about age 43.

2059363436050. Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS,415,1109,1444,1601,1746,3081 son of Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS, was born on 1 November 846 in France 3081,3082 and died on 10 April 879 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-DE-France, France 3081,3082,3083 at age 32. Another name for Louis was Louis II Le Bègue Carolingien, Roi D' AQUITAINE.

General Notes:

There is a lot of confusion as to the order of Louis' wives; whether they were legitimate marriages; and which was the mother of his various children. For example Ancestral Roots, in line 143-16 states that Adelaide of Paris is the 3rd wife, while in line 148-16, AR states that Adelaide was the 2nd wife. I am following line 143 (3rd wife), which makes her the last wife, and obviously mother of Charles III, since he was born posthumously.

(Andre Roux: Scrolls, 191.)

(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-38.)

(Paul, Nouveau Larousse Universel.)

(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 258.)

(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387).

Louis II, King de France (the Stammerer) AKA: Louis II, King d'Aquitaine. Also Known As: Louis "Le Begue".

Born: in Nov 846 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-de-France, France, son of Charles II, King de France and Ermentrude d'Orleans . Married in 862: Ansgarde de Bourgogne , daughter of Hardouin, Count de Bourgogne; She was given in marriage to Louis by her brother, Odon, often confused with Odon, Count of Troyes, an older man and one of Louis' detractors (Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 185). Note - between 867 and 879: Louis II was the King of Aquitaine from 867 to 879 and became King of France in 877, crowned at Compiegne by Hincmar, Archbishop of Rheims on 8 October. If the children and grandchildren of Charlemagne had an easy time ascending to the throne by virtue of their parentage, the same is not true for Louis. Louis had to be elected by the Greats - the nobles whose power had been growing steadily - and they conceded only after having received countships and additional powers. Moreover, Louis had to accept the tutelage of his maternal uncle, Hughes, Marquis of Neustria who also received the countship of Tours. He died 16 months later while making preparations to reprimand Bernard, Duke of Septimanie. Upon his death, nobles, looking to enhance their own power saw the kingdom partitioned between Louis III and Carloman, who were both crowned and anointed at Ferrieres in September 879 by Ansegis, Archbishop of Sens. Louis III's portion comprised Francia and Neustria, and Carloman ruled Burgundy, Aquitaine and Gothia.

Married between 868 and 869: Adelaide=Adelheid de Paris, daughter of Adalhard, Count de Paris. [Note: I have differenty ancestry for Adelaide, see notes under Adelaide]

Died: on 11 Apr 879 in France at age 32 Louis II died sooner than expected after having divided his kingdom between his two sons, Louis III and Carloman. To the older son went Francia and Neustria; and to the younger went Bourgogne, Aquitaine and the Marche of Spain. This creation of two kingdoms is highly disputed because the two sons are not viewed by some as legitimate because Charles le Chauve had not officially recognized Louis marriage to Ansgarde. Louis was not favored, and on 15 October 879, Provence and Bourgogne recognize Richilde's (Charles le Chauve's widow) brother, Bozon. Moreover, Louis, son of Louis le Germanique, also lays claim to the throne of France. Thus, to make matters rather complicated there exists three kings of France at this time.

Noted events in his life were:

 Ruled: 877-879.

Louis married Luitgarde Of SAXONY, daughter of Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY and Oda Billung Of THURINGIA, in 1st Wife. Luitgarde was born about 848 in Saxony, Germany.

Louis next married Adelaide Judith De PARIS,1784,3084,3085,3086,3087 daughter of Bego (Beggo\Beggen) II Count Of PARIS and Alpaide Princess Of FRANCE, before 870 in 3rd Wife 2321.,3084 Adelaide was born about 850 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 10 November 901 3082,3088 about age 51. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Of AUXERRE, Adélaïde De FRIOUL, and Adalaide Of PARIS.

Louis next married Queen Of France Adelheide FRANKS 1601 in 875. Adelheide was born between 855 and 860 in Of, Paris, , France and died about 18 October 900 about age 45.

Louis next married Queen Of The Franks Ansgarde Princess Of BURGUNDY 1601,3091,3092 in 862 in 2ND Wife 1109,1436.,3091 Ansgarde was born about 844 in , , Aix-La-Chappelle, Austrasia and died after 2 November 879. Another name for Ansgarde was Ansgarde Of BURGUNDY.

2059363436051. Queen Of The Franks Ansgarde Princess Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,1601,1746,3091,3092 daughter of Hardouin Count Of NEUSTRIA and Unknown, was born about 844 in , , Aix-La-Chappelle, Austrasia and died after 2 November 879. Another name for Ansgarde was Ansgarde Of BURGUNDY.

General Notes:

She played a prominent role during the reign of her husband, King Louis II of the Franks (846-77-79), who was succeeded by two of their sons, Louis III (863-79-82) and Carloman. Engelberge (d. 890). 1741

Ansgarde married Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS 1109,1601,3081 in 862 in 2ND Wife 1109,1436.,3091 Louis was born on 1 November 846 in France 3081,3082 and died on 10 April 879 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-DE-France, France 3081,3082,3083 at age 32. Another name for Louis was Louis II Le Bègue Carolingien, Roi D' AQUITAINE.

2059363436054. Aethelhelm Of WESSEX Ealdorman Of Wiltshire,415,1601,1746,1784,2721,2990,3316 son of Aethelred I King Of Kent & WESSEX and Wulfrida Of WESSEX, was born about 859 of Wiltshire, England and died in 923 1784,3316 about age 64. Another name for Aethelhelm was Ethelhelm Earl Of WESSEX.

General Notes:

Ealdorman of Wiltshire; devised Compton & Crondall by King Alfred the Great; son of Aethelred I, king of Wessex; father of Aethelfrith. [Ancestral Roots, p. 5]

b.c. 859, d. 923; son of Wulfthryth of Wessex and Æthelred I of Wessex; m. dau of Æthelwulf of Mercia. [Thomas Mebane LeGrande <[email protected], 21 Feb 2002]

d.c. 898; son of Wulfthryth and Aethelred I, King of England. [Dirk Peters <[email protected], 15 Jul 2002]

Aethelhelm married Aethelglyth Of MERCIA.1784 Aethelglyth was born about 850 in Mercia, England.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Aethelfrith EALDORMAN was born about 870 in Sussex, England and died about 927 3319 about age 57.

1029681718027 ii. Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE (born in 852 in Wiltshire, England - died on 5 December 905)

2059363436055. Aethelglyth Of MERCIA 415,1784 was born about 850 in Mercia, England.

Aethelglyth married Aethelhelm Of WESSEX Ealdorman Of Wiltshire 1601,1784,2721,2990.,3316 Aethelhelm was born about 859 of Wiltshire, England and died in 923 1784,3316 about age 64. Another name for Aethelhelm was Ethelhelm Earl Of WESSEX.

2059363436068. Count Of Auvergne Bernard II Plantevelue Comte D' AUVERGNE,415,1601,1746,2069 son of Bernard I Count Of AUTUN Margrave Septimania and Dhuoda Of GASCONY Countess Of Agen & Septimania, was born from 22 March 840 to 41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2563 and died in 886 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 at age 46. Another name for Bernard was Bernard Comte D' AUTUN.

General Notes: Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

Turton has Bernard's parents as Bernard d' Auvergne & Luitgard, who are actually parents of his wife Ermengarde.

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The following is a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

ID: I01374 Bernard II Plantevelue Comte d' Auvergne

Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

As far as Count of Aquitaine, Ronald F. Malan in _The Genealogist_ vol. xi in an article titled: "The Ancestry of Dhouda, Duchess of Septamani" did state this. To my knowledge, Aquitaine in this period was a duchy not a county, the duke being Charles III son of Charles II king of Franks, HRE (grandson of Charlemagne). Note: I do not know if there was a "County of Aquitaine" within the duchy, but in this period of the beginnings of titles & meanings of same, Id think it doubtful.

As to where the sources of the titles you give:

Bernard Plantevelue Count of Auvergne [Ref: Bouchard, ES III:731, Dillange, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p247, Nat Taylor 23 May 1997, Nat Taylor-Sant Wm p205-223]

Count of Autun, Count of Auvergne and Rovergue, 872: Marquis of Toulouse [Ref: Moriarty p215]

Barnard Hairyfoot, Count of Auvergne; styled Duke by 898 [Ref: McBride2] Note: considering that he died in 885/6

Marquis of Gothie; Count of Autun, Count of Rodez [Ref: CP II:731, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p211-267]

Dillange = Michael Dillange, Les comtes de Poitou, ducs d'Aquitaine (778-1204), Geste Editions, Geste Editions, 1996.

Regards,

Curt

Bernard married Countess Ermengarde D' AUVERGNE 1601,2069 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Ermengarde was born in 845 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France 2563 and died after June 881 2563. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALONS.

Children from this marriage were:

1029681718034 i. William "Le Pieux" Duke Of AQUITAINE (born about 863 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France - died in June 918 in Aquitaine, France)

1029681718047 ii. Ava (Aba) D' AUVERGNE Abbess Of Sauxillanges (born in 865 in Auvergne, France - died after 893)

iii. Adelaide D' AUVERGNE was born in 867 in Auvergne, France and died in 906 at age 39.

1029681718074 iv. Raculfe De MACON (born about 870 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died in 920)

Bernard next married Ledegarde 1601 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Ledegarde was born in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine> and died in Y.

2059363436069. Countess Ermengarde D' AUVERGNE,415,1601,1746,2069 daughter of Bernard I Comte D' AUVERGNE and Liutgarde (Lieugardis), was born in 845 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France 2563 and died after June 881 2563. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALONS.

General Notes: Turton states that Ermengarde's parents are Guerin I Comte de Chalons by his wife Avane.

Ermengarde married Count Of Auvergne Bernard II Plantevelue Comte D' AUVERGNE 1601,2069 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Bernard was born from 22 March 840 to 41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2563 and died in 886 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 at age 46. Another name for Bernard was Bernard Comte D' AUTUN.

2059363436070. Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence,415,1444,1784,2638,3301 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

Boso married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 847 in France.

Boso next married Ermengarde De LORRAINE 3204,3302 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Ermengarde was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

2059363436071. Ermengarde De LORRAINE,415,1444,3204,3302 daughter of King Of The Lombards Louis II Emperor Of The West HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Engeberge Of ALSACE, was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

General Notes: Before 866 - mistress of Byzantine Emperor. [Ancestral Roots]

Ermengarde married Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence 1784,2638,3301 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Boso was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

2059363436072. Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence,415,1444,1784,2638,3301 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

Boso married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 847 in France.

Boso next married Ermengarde De LORRAINE 3204,3302 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Ermengarde was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

2059363436073. Ermengarde De LORRAINE,415,1444,3204,3302 daughter of King Of The Lombards Louis II Emperor Of The West HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Engeberge Of ALSACE, was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

General Notes: Before 866 - mistress of Byzantine Emperor. [Ancestral Roots]

Ermengarde married Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence 1784,2638,3301 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Boso was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

2059363436074. Leon VI "The Wise" Mamikonid, Emperor Of BYZANTIUM,415,505,1444,3320 son of Basileos I The Macedonian, Emperor Of BYZANTIUM and Ingerina Of CONSTANTINOPLE, was born on 1 September 866 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire 1447,3320,3321 and died on 12 May 912 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire 1447,3320,3321 at age 45. Another name for Leon was Leo VI The Philosopher.

General Notes:

The question of whether Leo's father was Basil I or Michael III is, according to Todd Farmerie, unresolvable, despite what any author's give as proof, and despite who the people at the time might have thought was the father. They wouldn't have known for sure then, and we couldn't now. So, take your pick? See Todd's post to SGM, 29 May 1998, below:

From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])

Subject: Re: Father of Leo VI Philosophus

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval

Date: 1998/05/29

[email protected] wrote:

This is from Sir Ian Moncreiffe, Royal Highness, p. 59. He says that Leo VI was almost certainly NOT the child of Basil I and was much more likely the child of Michael III, the Drunkard. Odd as it may seem, I've seen that same kind of description in three other places. I've never seen a complete argument as to why that would be so, but the modern authors are all dumping Basil I in favor of Michael III. I think we have to send it back to Michael III as father of Leo VI. JAMS, Vol. VI, #77, table 12 agrees with Moncreiffe.

Marlyn Lewis

Does anyone know how to resolve this dilemma?

The question can be summed up real simply. A year or so before Leo came to be, Michael married his mistress (Leo's mother) to Basil. Short of a time machine and a DNA test we will not be able to resolve the question. Whatever he might have suspected (and it has been argued that he mistreated Leo because he suspected that Leo really wasn't his son) I doubt Basil knew, (same for Michael) and perhaps even the mother didn't. Moncreiffe is overstating the case.

taf

Noted events in his life were:

 Ruled: 886-912

Leon married Theophano MARTINAKISSA before 897.3321 Theophano was born about 866.

The child from this marriage was:

i. Eudocia Of CONSTANTINOPLE was born about 897 in Constantinople, -, Turkey.3321

Leon next married Eudoxia BAIANA about 901. Eudoxia was born about 873. Another name for Eudoxia was Eudokia.

Leon next married Zöe KARBONOPSINA 3320 on 9 January 905-906 in Palace Chapel, Constantinople, Byzantium 3320.,3321 Zöe was born about 879 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire and died in 919 3321 about age 40. Other names for Zöe were Carbonopsina, Zoo CARBONOPSINE, Zöe TZAUTZINA, and Zoe ZAUTSINA.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Constantine VII Emperor Of BYZANTINE EMPIRE was born in September 905 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire 1436,3321,3322 and died on 9 November 959 1436,3322 at age 54.

1029681718037 ii. Anna Princess of BYZANTIUM (born about 887 in Constantinople, Turkey - died in 912)

2059363436075. Zöe KARBONOPSINA,415,505,1444,3320 daughter of Stylianos ZAOUTZES and Unknown, was born about 879 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire and died in 919 3321 about age 40. Other names for Zöe were Carbonopsina, Zoo CARBONOPSINE, Zöe TZAUTZINA, and Zoe ZAUTSINA.

General Notes:

She was the fourth wife of Leon IV, who died 912. After his death the guardian of her son, but Constantinos VII (b. 905) sent her to a convent. She later managed to become regent for son, but was deposed in 919. 1741

Zöe married Leon VI "The Wise" Mamikonid, Emperor Of BYZANTIUM 3320 from 9 January 905 to 906 in Palace Chapel, Constantinople, Byzantium 3320.,3321 Leon was born on 1 September 866 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire 1447,3320,3321 and died on 12 May 912 in Constantinople, Byzantine Empire 1447,3320,3321 at age 45. Another name for Leon was Leo VI The Philosopher.

2059363436080. Tertuilus (Tertulle) I Comte D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2069 son of Torquat (Tortulfe) De RENNES and Unknown, was born in 821 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in Chateau-Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.

Tertuilus married Petronilla Countess Of ANJOU 1601,2069 about 844 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Petronilla was born in 825 in Rhineland, Prussia.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718040 i. Ingelger I Comte D' Orleans & ANJOU Count Of Anjou And Orleans (born about 845 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France - died in 888 in St Martin, Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France)

2059363436081. Petronilla Countess Of ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2069 daughter of Bastard Hugo "L'abbe" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Miss De LA FRANKS, was born in 825 in Rhineland, Prussia.

Petronilla married Tertuilus (Tertulle) I Comte D' ANJOU 1601,2069 about 844 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Tertuilus was born in 821 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in Chateau-Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.

2059363436082. Geoffrey Comte De GASTINOIS,415,2069 son of Hugh Comte De BOURGES and Unknown, was born about 832 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey Comte De GATINAIS.

Geoffrey married Miss De AMBOISE. Miss was born about 838 in Chatillon-Sur-Indre, Indre, Berry/Centre, France.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718041 i. Countess Of Anjou Adelaide De GASTINOIS (born about 854 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France)

2059363436083. Miss De AMBOISE,415 daughter of Mr. Seigneur De AMBOISE and Miss De NANTES, was born about 838 in Chatillon-Sur-Indre, Indre, Berry/Centre, France.

Miss married Geoffrey Comte De GASTINOIS.2069 Geoffrey was born about 832 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey Comte De GATINAIS.

2059363436084. Adalard Seigneur Of LOCHES La Haye, Villentrois,415 son of Warner Comte De NANTES and Daughter Of Leutaud Of PARIS, was born about 825 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died after 864 in Loches, Touraine, France.

Adalard married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718042 i. Garnier De Villentrois Seigneur De LOCHES (born about 848 in Loches, Touraine, France - died before 929)

2059363436094. Count Of Auvergne Bernard II Plantevelue Comte D' AUVERGNE,415,1601,1746,2069 son of Bernard I Count Of AUTUN Margrave Septimania and Dhuoda Of GASCONY Countess Of Agen & Septimania, was born from 22 March 840 to 41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2563 and died in 886 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 at age 46. Another name for Bernard was Bernard Comte D' AUTUN.

General Notes: Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

Turton has Bernard's parents as Bernard d' Auvergne & Luitgard, who are actually parents of his wife Ermengarde.

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The following is a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

ID: I01374 Bernard II Plantevelue Comte d' Auvergne

Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

As far as Count of Aquitaine, Ronald F. Malan in _The Genealogist_ vol. xi in an article titled: "The Ancestry of Dhouda, Duchess of Septamani" did state this. To my knowledge, Aquitaine in this period was a duchy not a county, the duke being Charles III son of Charles II king of Franks, HRE (grandson of Charlemagne). Note: I do not know if there was a "County of Aquitaine" within the duchy, but in this period of the beginnings of titles & meanings of same, Id think it doubtful.

As to where the sources of the titles you give:

Bernard Plantevelue Count of Auvergne [Ref: Bouchard, ES III:731, Dillange, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p247, Nat Taylor 23 May 1997, Nat Taylor-Sant Wm p205-223]

Count of Autun, Count of Auvergne and Rovergue, 872: Marquis of Toulouse [Ref: Moriarty p215]

Barnard Hairyfoot, Count of Auvergne; styled Duke by 898 [Ref: McBride2] Note: considering that he died in 885/6

Marquis of Gothie; Count of Autun, Count of Rodez [Ref: CP II:731, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p211-267]

Dillange = Michael Dillange, Les comtes de Poitou, ducs d'Aquitaine (778-1204), Geste Editions, Geste Editions, 1996.

Regards,

Curt

Bernard married Countess Ermengarde D' AUVERGNE 1601,2069 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Ermengarde was born in 845 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France 2563 and died after June 881 2563. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALONS.

Bernard next married Ledegarde 1601 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Ledegarde was born in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine> and died in Y.

2059363436095. Countess Ermengarde D' AUVERGNE,415,1601,1746,2069 daughter of Bernard I Comte D' AUVERGNE and Liutgarde (Lieugardis), was born in 845 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France 2563 and died after June 881 2563. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALONS.

General Notes: Turton states that Ermengarde's parents are Guerin I Comte de Chalons by his wife Avane.

Ermengarde married Count Of Auvergne Bernard II Plantevelue Comte D' AUVERGNE 1601,2069 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Bernard was born from 22 March 840 to 41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2563 and died in 886 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 at age 46. Another name for Bernard was Bernard Comte D' AUTUN.

2059363436112. Raoul Comte De DIJON 415,1784 was born about 850 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France.

Raoul married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718056 i. Eliran Comte De DIJON (born about 870 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France)

2059363436120. Theoderic II Meroving, Count Of CHAUNOIS,415,1444,1784,2898 son of Thierry I "The Treasurer" Count Of AUTUN and Miss Countess Of BURGUNDY, was born in 850 in -, Chaunois, France and died before 892 1784,3323. Another name for Theoderic was Thierry II Count Of CHAUMOIS.

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef 893. 2898

Theoderic married Buvinus Of METZ.1784 Buvinus was born about 840 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Renaud Comte De BAR-SUR-SEINE Vicomte Auxerre was born about 855 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 923 in Bar-Sur-Seine, Aube, Champagne, France 2493. Another name for Renaud was Renhard Comte De Bar-Sur-Seine Vicomte AUXERRE.

ii. Adela De AUXERRE was born about 856 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 902 2491.

1029681718060 iii. Monassas (Manasses) I Count Of CHALONS (born about 866 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France - died before 920 in Reulle-Vergy, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France)

2059363436121. Buvinus Of METZ,415,1444,1784 daughter of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 840 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

Buvinus married Theoderic II Meroving, Count Of CHAUNOIS 1784.,2898 Theoderic was born in 850 in -, Chaunois, France and died before 892 1784,3323. Another name for Theoderic was Thierry II Count Of CHAUMOIS.

2059363436122. Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence,415,1444,1784,2638,3301 son of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

Boso married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 847 in France.

Boso next married Ermengarde De LORRAINE 3204,3302 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Ermengarde was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

2059363436123. Ermengarde De LORRAINE,415,1444,3204,3302 daughter of King Of The Lombards Louis II Emperor Of The West HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Engeberge Of ALSACE, was born about 855 in Lorraine, France 3301 and died before 2 April 897 3301. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmengard CAROLING, Ermengarde Of FRANCE, and Ermengard Av ITALIA.

General Notes: Before 866 - mistress of Byzantine Emperor. [Ancestral Roots]

Ermengarde married Boso II Count Of VIENNE King Of Provence 1784,2638,3301 in 876 in 2ND Wife 2638.,3301 Boso was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died from 11 January 886 to 887 in Vienne, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2638 about age 41. Other names for Boso were Boso, King Of BURGUNDY, and2323 Boso II King Of PROVENCE.

2059363436144. Lievin Vicomte De NARBONNE,1444 son of Two Generations De NARBONNE and Unknown, was born about 820 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died after 878.

Lievin married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718072 i. Mayeul I Vicomte De NARBONNE (born about 845 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France - died on 5 June 911 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France)

2059363436148. Count Of Auvergne Bernard II Plantevelue Comte D' AUVERGNE,415,1601,1746,2069 son of Bernard I Count Of AUTUN Margrave Septimania and Dhuoda Of GASCONY Countess Of Agen & Septimania, was born from 22 March 840 to 41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2563 and died in 886 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 at age 46. Another name for Bernard was Bernard Comte D' AUTUN.

General Notes: Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

Turton has Bernard's parents as Bernard d' Auvergne & Luitgard, who are actually parents of his wife Ermengarde.

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The following is a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:

ID: I01374 Bernard II Plantevelue Comte d' Auvergne

Bernard was Count of Aquitaine and the Auvergne, Marquis of Gothie, Count of Autun, Count of Rodez.

As far as Count of Aquitaine, Ronald F. Malan in _The Genealogist_ vol. xi in an article titled: "The Ancestry of Dhouda, Duchess of Septamani" did state this. To my knowledge, Aquitaine in this period was a duchy not a county, the duke being Charles III son of Charles II king of Franks, HRE (grandson of Charlemagne). Note: I do not know if there was a "County of Aquitaine" within the duchy, but in this period of the beginnings of titles & meanings of same, Id think it doubtful.

As to where the sources of the titles you give:

Bernard Plantevelue Count of Auvergne [Ref: Bouchard, ES III:731, Dillange, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p247, Nat Taylor 23 May 1997, Nat Taylor-Sant Wm p205-223]

Count of Autun, Count of Auvergne and Rovergue, 872: Marquis of Toulouse [Ref: Moriarty p215]

Barnard Hairyfoot, Count of Auvergne; styled Duke by 898 [Ref: McBride2] Note: considering that he died in 885/6

Marquis of Gothie; Count of Autun, Count of Rodez [Ref: CP II:731, Keats-Rohan Family Trees p211-267]

Dillange = Michael Dillange, Les comtes de Poitou, ducs d'Aquitaine (778-1204), Geste Editions, Geste Editions, 1996.

Regards,

Curt

Bernard married Countess Ermengarde D' AUVERGNE 1601,2069 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Ermengarde was born in 845 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France 2563 and died after June 881 2563. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALONS.

Bernard next married Ledegarde 1601 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Ledegarde was born in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine> and died in Y.

2059363436149. Countess Ermengarde D' AUVERGNE,415,1601,1746,2069 daughter of Bernard I Comte D' AUVERGNE and Liutgarde (Lieugardis), was born in 845 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France 2563 and died after June 881 2563. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALONS.

General Notes: Turton states that Ermengarde's parents are Guerin I Comte de Chalons by his wife Avane.

Ermengarde married Count Of Auvergne Bernard II Plantevelue Comte D' AUVERGNE 1601,2069 in <Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine>. Bernard was born from 22 March 840 to 41 in Uzes, Languedoc, France 2563 and died in 886 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2069 at age 46. Another name for Bernard was Bernard Comte D' AUTUN.

2059363436152. Thierry I "The Treasurer" Count Of AUTUN,415,1444,1784,2898 son of Childebrand II Lord Of PERRACY and Dunne De AUTUN, was born about 790 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 3324 and died on 30 November 880 in Chaumois, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2898,3324 about age 90. Other names for Thierry were Theodoric I, and Thierry I The Treasurer Of TROYES.

General Notes:

Count of Chaumois, Chamberlain to Charles the Bald.

Noted events in his life were:

 Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 882. 1784

Thierry married Miss Countess Of BURGUNDY. Miss was born about 822 in Bourgogne, France.

Children from this marriage were:

2059363436120 i. Theoderic II Meroving, Count Of CHAUNOIS (born in 850 in -, Chaunois, France - died before 892)

1029681718076 ii. Richard Meroving De CHAUNOIS (born before 853 in Vexin, -, France - died about 885 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France)

Thierry next married in 839.

Children from this marriage were:

i. Warnier De MEROVING was born in 870 in Vexin, -, France.

ii. Bozon I Meroving, King Of BURGUNDY was born in 840 in Vexin, -, France.

2059363436153. Miss Countess Of BURGUNDY,415 daughter of Amadeus Count Of BURGUNDY and Unknown, was born about 822 in Bourgogne, France.

Miss married Thierry I "The Treasurer" Count Of AUTUN 1784.,2898 Thierry was born about 790 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 3324 and died on 30 November 880 in Chaumois, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2898,3324 about age 90. Other names for Thierry were Theodoric I, and Thierry I The Treasurer Of TROYES.

2059363436164. Odoacer Count Of HARLEBEC,415,1601,1746,2112 son of Engleran and Unknown, was born in 810 in Flanders, Nord, France and died in 862 2112 at age 52.

Odoacer married Mrs-Odacre 1601 in <Flanders, Nord, France>. Mrs-Odacre was born about 820 in Of, , , France and died in Y.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718082 i. Baudouin I "Iron Arm" Count Of FLANDERS (born in 837 in Flanders, Nord, France - died in 879 in Arras, Flanders Now Belgium)

2059363436165. Mrs-Odacre 1601,1746 was born about 820 in Of, , , France and died in Y.

Mrs-Odacre married Odoacer Count Of HARLEBEC 1601,2112 in <Flanders, Nord, France>. Odoacer was born in 810 in Flanders, Nord, France and died in 862 2112 at age 52.

2059363436166. Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2112,2948,2951,3132,3134,3230 son of Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian and Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA, was born on 15 May 823 in Frankfurt, Hessen-Nassau, Prussia,3132,3133,3134 died on 6 October 877 in Brides-Les-Bains, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 3132,3133,3134 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Charles were Charles II "The Bald" King Of FRANCE, Charles Ii, King De FRANCE,3135 Charles Ii, and King De FRANCEAKA.3133

General Notes:

(Andre Roux: Scrolls,191.)

(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-39.)

(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 180.)

(Paul, Nouveau Larousse Universel.)

(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Pages 369, 387).

AKA: Charles II, Emperor of the West. AKA: Charles II, King de Bourgogne. AKA: Charles II, King of Italy. Also Known As: Charles "Le Chauve".

Born: on 13 Jun 823 in Francfort-sur-le-Main, Germany, son of Louis I, King de France and Judith de Baviere , Some sources assert King Charles II was born in the year 829.

Note - between 824 and 875 in France: The birth of Charles II in 823 did not at first excite jealousy or rivalry among his brothers. In 829, Charles was granted the region of Alemannia, Rhaetia and part of Burgundy. In 837, his Father Louis I "Le Debonnaire", by arrangement with Louis the German and Pepin gave Charles the land West of the Meuse, Burgundy, Chartres and Paris together with all the bishops, abbots and counts who held benefices in these territories. A portion of Neustria was added in 838, and upon Pepin's death, Louis Le Pieux made Charles King of Aquitaine. On 24 July 840, the new Emperor, Lothar, in Strasburg, refuses to support the land claims of Charles (from the agreement of Worms on 30 May 839). The two brothers, Louis and Charles, unite against Lothar and the War of the Three Brothers begins. Meanwhile, on 12 May 841, the Normands ravage Rouen and all the localities along the Seine, increasing their wealth considerably. At Fontenoy-en-Puisaye (24 June 841), Charles defeats his brothers Lothar (in spite of the arrival of the Army of Aquitaine in the Imperial ranks -- and at a total loss of 40,000 lives at the battle) and Louis Le Germanique. Charles and Louis signed an alliance on 14 February 842 at Strasbourg. Leaving Strasbourg, the two brothers defeat the imperial army of Lothar just West of Comblence. Lothar leaves Aix-le-Chapelle precipitously, pursued by the two brothers. In Mellecey, not far from Chalon-sur-Saone, Lothar proposes a plan to establish perpetual peace which is acceptable to both Louis and Charles. On 15 June, they sign the preliminary peace document. On 1 October 842, each of them sends 40 commissioners to Metz to forge the official document. Prudence, the Bishop of Troyes, notes that Louis regained Germania in the East, Lothar gets the middle part of the Franc Kingdom, including Italy, and Charles obtains the Western lands (West of the Rhone, including Soissons). After that Charles goes to the Palace in Quierzy, where he marries Ermentrude.

Charles signed the Treaty of Verdun (843) which split the Kingdom of Charlemagne. By the Treaty, the destiny of Occidental Europe would be heavily influenced to this day. Louis obtains all lands East of the Rhine, including the cities of Spire, Worms, Mayence. Lothar gets all the lands extending between the Rhine and the Escaut, the Cambresis, the Hainaut, the country of Mezieres, and all the countships neighboring the Meuse, through the Saone and the Rhone, the Artois and Italy. Charles got all the lands East all the way to Spain. The Kingdom of Charlemagne thus was split forever, with the most serious rift between the germanic lands of Louis, and the French lands of Charles. The intervening lands extending from Frisia to Rome, from the North Sea to the Mediterranean including what would become Holland, Belgium, Lorraine and Switzerland would become a sore point of contention between these two peoples. The only thing that mattered to Lothar was the fact that both capitals (Aix and Rome) were located within his territory, thus legitimizing the title of Emperor.

Meanwhile, the Normands pillage Nantes and lower Aquitaine. Charles laid siege to Toulouse in vain (May to July 844). The Normands led by Ragnar Lodbrog arrive in Paris and must be heavily bribed to leave. Other Normand armies ravage Toulouse and Bordeaux (burned to the ground in 848). On 6 May 848, Duke Nomenoe proclaims the indepence of the Church of Bretagne and the following year proclaims himself King of Bretagne. Charles fought Brittany (Bretagne) in 845-851 and was victorious. Not liking Pepin II, the people of Aquitaine request Charles' help, and he obliges by accepting the Crown, and on 6 June 848 is consecrated King of Aquitaine, though he could not defend his kingdom against the Normands. He had Charles of Aquitaine jailed (849 in Corbie). In 850 Charles attacks Bretagne and leaves a garrison in Rennes. No sooner does he leave, that Nomenoe takes the city and then takes Nantes as well. The next year, Nomenoe ravages Maine, but, fortunately for Charles, the King of Bretagne dies suddenly on 7 March in Vendome. Charles has Pepin II locked in the Monastery of Saint-Medard de Soissons in 852. The Normands under Godfrid pillage Tours and Angers and penetrate via the Valley of Escaut all the way to the Seine. The loyalty of Aquitaine shifts in 853, and Louis the German is called upon to help against Charles le Chauve. He in turn defeats Louis and offers Aquitaine his son by Ermentrude, Charles, who would be crowned sovereign in Limoges in October 855. Both Pepin II and Charles d'Aquitaine escape raise armies against Charles le Chauve. Charles fought against Louis for Lorraine (859, 870 [Treaty of Mersen] and 875).

When Louis le Germanique becomes ill in 869 near Rastisbonne, shortly after his nephew Lothar II died, Charles see the opportunity to claim his heritage as Uncle of the deceased. He has himself annointed King of Lorraine in Metz on 9 September, by the Bishop Hincmar. In March, 867, Charles d'Aquitaine dies, and his father Charles le Chauve is recognized as King by the Assembly in Pouilly-sur-Loire. Upon the death of his nephew, Lothar II on 8 August 869, Charles sped to Lotharingia and had himself crowned King of Lotharingia annointed on 9 September in the cathedral at Metz by Bishop Adventius of Metz and Archbishop Hincmar of Rheims. In 9 August 870, through the Treaty of Meerseen, Louis "Le Germanique" and Charles "Le Chauve" reach an agreeable compromise whereby they divide the lands of Lothar II between themselves, leaving Louis II no part of the inheritance. As soon as Louis II died on 12 August 875, Charles rushed to Italy and received the imperial crown and is annointed by Pope John VIII on 25 December 875. In Pavia on 5 January 876, by acclamation of the counts and nobles of Italy, Charles becomes King of Italy. On 31 January 876, the Archbishop of Milan proclaims Charles as Emperor. The French ecclesiasticals and nobles, having some misgivings about Charles' ability to take care of his Kingdom meet in Ponthion. Charles joins them dressed in the attire of the Frankish King. As soon as they declare him elected and recognize his imperial authority, Charles donned the Byzantine crown, and purple vestment of emperor. When Louis le Germanique dies on 28 August 876, Charles claims Lorraine as his own. While on an expedition in Italy against the Sarrasins, through the specific request of Pope Jean VIII, Charles le Chauve dies at the foot of Mount Cenis.

Married on 13 Dec 842 in Quierzy-sur-Oise, Aisne, Ile-de-France, France: Ermentrude d'Orleans , daughter of Odon=Eudes, Count d'Orleans and Ingeltrude de Paris; Ermentrude was crowned Queen of France in 866, having already produced a number of children including 6 sons but none of them was satisfactory as far as Charles Le Chauve was concerned. By September 866, four of them were dead.

Married on 25 Nov 869 in Aix-la-Chapelle, France: Richilde de Bourgogne, daughter of Beuve=Bouin, Comte de Bourgogne and Richilde d'Arles; The honeymoon is short-lived, as Louis le Germanique demands, as part of his heritage from the death of his nephew Lothar II, a part of Lorraine. Died: on 6 Oct 877 in Avrieux, Dauphine, France, at age 54 Charles II is buried at Saint Denis although originally he was buried in Nantua. Before expiring, he named his son, Louis Le Begue as his successor, and the Empress Richilde, crowned by Pope Jean VIII earlier that year, is charged with taking the royal garbs and sword to her step-son.

Noted events in his life were:

 Ruled: 875-877.

Charles married Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS 1601,1784,2112,3231 on 14 December 842 in Crecy, France 3135.,3231 Ermentrude was born on 27 September 830 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2147,3133 died on 6 October 869 in St Denis, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 3133,3231 at age 39, and was buried in St Denis, Aude, France. Another name for Ermentrude was Hermentrude.

Charles next married Richaut Of METZ,3134 daughter of Budwine (Bouin\Beuvesde) Count Of Italy & METZ and Richilde Of ARLES, on 25 November 870.3134 Richaut was born about 845 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

Charles next married Queen Of The West Franks Richilde Countess Of METZ (ARDENNES) 1601 from 22 January 869 to 870 in Aix La Chapelle, , France. Richilde was born in <Frankfurt, Hessen-Nassau, Prussia> and died in Y.

Charles next married Richildis Of The WEST FRANKS 3134 on 25 November 870 1436.,3134 Richildis was born about 850 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Another name for Richildis was Richilde.

2059363436167. Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS,415,1444,1601,1746,1784,2112,3231 daughter of Odo (Eudes) I Comte D' ORLEANS and Countess Of Orleans INGELTRUDE, was born on 27 September 830 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2147,3133 died on 6 October 869 in St Denis, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 3133,3231 at age 39, and was buried in St Denis, Aude, France. Another name for Ermentrude was Hermentrude.

Ermentrude married Charles II "The Bald" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 1601,1784,2112,3132,3134 on 14 December 842 in Crecy, France 3135.,3231 Charles was born on 15 May 823 in Frankfurt, Hessen-Nassau, Prussia,3132,3133,3134 died on 6 October 877 in Brides-Les-Bains, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 3132,3133,3134 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Charles were Charles II "The Bald" King Of FRANCE, Charles Ii, King De FRANCE,3135 Charles Ii, and King De FRANCEAKA.3133

2059363436208. Mr. De SUBSTANTION, son of Robert Comte De SUBSTANTION and Unknown, was born about 840 in Substantion Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France.

Mr. married.

The child from this marriage was:

1029681718104 i. Bernard I Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion (born about 877 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France - died in Substantion Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France)

2059363436340. Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,3119,3120,3121,3122,3123,3124 son of King Of The Franks Charlemagne Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Countess Of Vinzgau Hildegard Empress Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in August 778 in Chasseneuil, Lot-Et-Garonne Near Poitiers, Aquitaine, France,1436,3120,3124 died on 20 June 840 in Petersaue, Ingelheim Am Rhein, Rhineland Palatinate, Germany 2323,3120,3124,3125 at age 61, and was buried in Aachen Cathedral, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.3126 Other names for Louis were Louis I The Fair, Ludwig Den Fromme, Louis I De FRANCE,3120 Louis I King Of FRANCE, Louis I The Pious Of Aquitaine, King Of FRANCE,1436 Louis I, King Of The LOMBARDS, Louis I Le Pieux Carolingien, and Em;Ereur D' OCCIDENT.

General Notes:

Called The Pious (778-840), Holy Roman emperor (814-40), king of France (814-40), king of Germany (814-40), and king of Aquitaine (781-840). He was the son of Charlemagne, king of the Franks. In 817 Louis made plans providing for the posthumous division of the Carolingian Empire among his three surviving sons, Lothair I, Holy Roman emperor, Louis II, king of Germany, and Charles II, Holy Roman emperor. His reign, however, was troubled by quarrels with his sons, who were dissatisfied with his arrangements for the succession. Louis was physically strong but was easily influenced and was unequal to administering the large empire that he inherited from his father.

In 781, at age 2, Louis I, "Le Pieux", was crowned and anointed King of Aquitaine by Pope Hadrian I, at the same time as his older brother Pepin was made King of Italy. Louis, whose twin brother had died at birth, was the third of Charlemagne's sons by his wife Hildegard. The Diviso Regni of 806indicates that Louis was to have Aquitaine as an independent kingdom upon his father's death. Aquitaine was in effect a March; for much of Louis' reign as sub-king he and his officials were occupied in quelling Gascon revolts and launching offensives into Spain. Unrest had never completely died out in the Pyrenees since the annexation of Aquitaine in 768, and more especially after the disastrous ambush of the Frankish vanguard in Roncesvalles in 778. In about 788, Chorso, Duke of Toulouse was captured by a Gascon named Adelric, and then released after being forced to swear an oath of allegiance to the Gascon or Basque leader. In 793, the Sarracens invaded Septimania, burned the suburbs of Narbonne and marched on Carcassonne, but in 795 Bahlul-ben-Machluc sued with Louis for peace. In 800, he successfully laid siege to Barcelona and subsequently captured Tortosa, Huesca and Pamplona and formed links with the Kingdom of the Asturias. Baptized: on 15 Apr 781; On 15 April 781, Louis was baptized by Pope Hadrian I in Rome. The next day, Easter Sunday, he was confirmed in his title of King of Aquitaine. Married in 794: Ermengarde d'Esbay, daughter of Engueran=Ingram, Count d'Esbay.

Note - between 800 and 837: Louis I established monasteries in Nouaille (a cell of St. Hilaire of Poitiers), Gellone and St. Martin-de-Tours.

After the death of his brothers Pepin and Charles in 810 and 811 respectively, Louis was crowned at Aachen on 13 September 813, Emperor and heir to all of Charlemagne's lands, by Charlemagne himself without any assistance nor even the presence of the Pope. All sources, Frankish as well as papal, refer to Louis as emperor from then on. Charlemagne died 5 months later. All of Louis' sisters were required to quit the palace and retire to their own estates. His cousins, the offsprings of Bernard (Pepin III's half brother) were exhiled: Louis forced Count Wala to become a monk at Corbie; Adalhard was exhiled to Noirmoutier to be held there in custody by the Abbot; Bernhard returned to Lerin and Gundrada had to retreat to St. Radegund's convent of Sainte Croix in Poitiers. Only Theodrada was left unmolested as abbess of Notre Dame at Soissons. Louis I was also known as Louis, "Le Pieux". On 27 February 814, upon learning of the death of his father, and at the age of 36 years, he left Doue-la-Fontaine, in Anjou, to go to Aix-la-Chapelle.

This new emperor, enterred this capital, and poised himself in front of the tomb of Charlemagne. So oversome with grief, his forehead touched the stone floor of the church. Hence the name "Le Pieux". Since he was kind, relative to his times, he was also known as "Le Debonnaire". For himself, he preferred to adopt the title "by divine Providence, Emperor Augustus". When Pope Leo died in May of 816, Stephen IV was elected Pope, and crowned Louis the Emperor on Sunday 5 October by placing a crown on his head during mass at Rheims. He also secured the release of some Roman exhiles in Francia. This crowning was among the first attempts to integrate the Papacy into the institutional framework of the Empire. Louis, 'lest he be led astray in satisfying the natural desires of the body' married Ermengarde, daughter of Count Ingramn. Charlemagne established Doue-la-Fontaine, Chasseneuil (Louis' birthplace), Angeac and Ebreuil as royal residences to maintain Louis and his household. At an assembly in Aachen in July 817, Louis made provisions for his sons' inheritance through the "Ordinatio Imperii". In his preface he states that the unity of the empire preserved for Louis by God should not be destroyed by men. Lothar was given the title of emperor, and as co-ruler with his father at once made heir to the empire, and appointed King of Italy in the event of his father's death. Bernard, then King of Italy was not mentioned, but the implication is that Bernard would be subordinate to Lothar should Louis die. Pepin was made King of Aquitaine (plus Gascony, Toulouse, Carcassonne, Autun, Avallon and Nevers) and Louis, The German, was made King of Bavaria (plus Carinthia, Bohemia, the lands of the Avars and Slavs and the royal manors of Lauterhofen and Ingolstadt). Pepin and Louis were to meet on an annual basis with Lothar to consult and together find "measures to take in the interest of perpetual peace". They could neither start a war nor marry without the approval of their elder brother. Lothar even had the right to de-throne them after three warnings. That same year, 817, Stephen IV obtains his political independence, thus severing the tie between Rome and the Frank Empire as conceived by Charlemagne. The arrangement was neat and all contingencies covered except for the one which took place. After his first wife's (Ermengarde) death, Louis, in 819, married the beautiful Bavarian Judith, daughter of Comte Welf of Bavaria. On 13 June 823 she gave birth to a son. He was called Charles. In September, 824, forgetting his nickname "Le Debonnaire", Louis totally ravages the Bretagne which was rebelling. In 829, at the General Assembly convoked in Worms (Wurm), Louis announces that he is forging a Duchy for his son, Charles, and gives him Alamania, Alsace, Rhetia, and part of Burgundy. The Co-Emperor Lothar, disagrees and has his name removed from imperial decrees and diplomas. Toward the end of 829, the political scene gets very complicated with allegations that Judith had intimate rapports with Bernard, Count of Barcelone, and ultimately desiring the death of the three sons of Hirmingarde. In Mai of 830, in Compiegne, Lothar and Pepin of Aquitaine lead a revolt. Louis is forced to cede on every point of contention. The apanage of the young Charles is eliminated, Judith is locked up in Poitiers at the Monastery of Sainte-Radegonde. In 831, the bishops would note how she had a talent for converting men's hearts and souls, and would allow her to rejoin her husband. In 832, Pepin and Louis revolt against their father. On 24 June 833, the Army of Louis Le Pieux faces those of the rebels. The field of battle in Rothfeld would be named the Field of the Lie (Lugenfeld). The Emperor and his sons begin negotiations. The night of 29 to 30 June, it is clear that the supporters of Louis would be influenced by his three sons. On the morning of 30 June, Louis would have to surrender. It would not be until 1 October that Louis would be deposed by the Assembly led by Agobard, Archbishop of Lyon and Eblon, Archbishop of Reims. On 7 October, Judith is sent to the Monastery of Tortone, Bernard to Prum, and Louis to the Monastery of Saint-Medard-de-Soissons, where in public ceremony, he is forced to lay down his sword, stripped of royal vestments, he is made to don the coarse cloth of a penitent. In 834, Louis and Pepin, tired of being under the control of their brother Lothar, decide to free their father. On 28 February, they succeed in freeing their father and in August in Blois, Lothar swears to Louis Le Pieux, that he would never leave Italy except by his direct command. Throughout 834, the Normands -- Danes, Swedes and Norwegians -- resume their raids. On 28 February 835, the General Assembly proclaims that Louis was innocent of all previous accusations thus clearing the way for him to be re-established as Emperor on the Throne at Saint-Stephen of Metz.

In 837, thanks to the intercessions of Judith, Charles "Le Chauve", receives a Kingdom composed of Frisia, between the Seine, the Meuse and the sea and in September 838, he receives the crown at Quierzy-sur-Oise. In 838, Marseille is devastated by the Sarrasins. On 30 May 839, the Empire is divided in half, with Lothar taking the East, and Charles' lands extend through Provence, Lyon, Toul and Geneva and all the lands of the West. Louis "the German", gets to keep only Bavaria. Married in 819: Judith de Baviere (3628), daughter of Welf II, Count de Baviere and Egilwich=Heilwig, Abbess de Challes ; Louis married Judith upon the death of his first wife, Ermengarde. She bore him a son named Charles in 823. It is clear that Louis was as fond of Charles as Jacob was of his Benjamin. Died: on 22 Jun 840 in Ingelheim, Germany, at age 61 In 840, while attempting to keep Louis "the German" in line, Louis "Le Pieux" is taken ill in Salz. Feeling near death, he sends Lothar his sword and the crown on the condition that he would be loyal to Judith and abide by the lands division agreed to in Worms in 839. He died on an island, near Ingelheim on 22 June. 309. Judith de Baviere (Andre Roux: Scrolls, 191.)

(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-40.)

(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 136).

Married Name: de France. Born: circa 800 in Altdorf, Bavaria, daughter of Welf II, Count de Baviere (3626) and Egilwich=Heilwig, Abbess de Challes . Married in 819: Louis I, King de France , son of Charlemagne, Rex Francorum et Langobardorum and Hildegard, Countess de Linzgau ; Louis married Judith upon the death of his first wife, Ermengarde. She bore him a son named Charles in 823. It is clear that Louis was as fond of Charles as Jacob was of his Benjamin. Died: on 19 Apr 843 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Touraine, France.

Noted events in his life were:

 Ruled: 814-840.

Louis married Ermengarde De HESBAYE 1601,1784,3124 in 794 in France 1436,3127.,3128 Ermengarde was born in 778 in Hesbaye, Liege, Belgium and died on 3 October 818 in Angers, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 3120,3124,3127 at age 40. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde, Ermengard Av HASPENGAU, Yrmingard Av HASPENGAU, and Irmengard Of HESBAIN.1436

Louis next married Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA 1601,1784,3124 from 2 February 818 to 19 in Aix La Chapell, Austrasia 1436,2321,2323,3120.,3124 Judith was born in 800 in Altdorf, Bavaria and died on 19 April 843 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 1436,1784,2323,3120,3127 at age 43. Other names for Judith were Judith Von ALTDORF, Judith Von ALTORF, Judith Of ALTORP, Judith Of Bavaria, and Abbess Of CHALLES.

Louis next married Various CONCUBINE(S).

2059363436341. Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,3119,3121,3124 daughter of Welf (Guelph) III Duke Of BAVARIA and Edith (Eigilwich\Heilwig\Hedwig) Of SAXONY, was born in 800 in Altdorf, Bavaria and died on 19 April 843 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 1436,1784,2323,3120,3127 at age 43. Other names for Judith were Judith Von ALTDORF, Judith Von ALTORF, Judith Of ALTORP, Judith Of Bavaria, and Abbess Of CHALLES.

Judith married Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian 1601,1784,3124 from 2 February 818 to 19 in Aix La Chapell, Austrasia 1436,2321,2323,3120.,3124 Louis was born in August 778 in Chasseneuil, Lot-Et-Garonne Near Poitiers, Aquitaine, France,1436,3120,3124 died on 20 June 840 in Petersaue, Ingelheim Am Rhein, Rhineland Palatinate, Germany 2323,3120,3124,3125 at age 61, and was buried in Aachen Cathedral, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.3126 Other names for Louis were Louis I The Fair, Ludwig Den Fromme, Louis I De FRANCE,3120 Louis I King Of FRANCE, Louis I The Pious Of Aquitaine, King Of FRANCE,1436 Louis I, King Of The LOMBARDS, Louis I Le Pieux Carolingien, and Em;Ereur D' OCCIDENT.

2059363436342. Odo (Eudes) I Comte D' ORLEANS,1444,1601,1746,1784,3135,3231 son of Hadrian Lord Of WORMSGAU and Waldrat Of HORNBACH, was born in 798 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 3135 and died in 834 1784,3133 at age 36. Other names for Odo were Udo, Vodon, and Udo Count Of LAHNGAU.

Odo married Countess Of Orleans INGELTRUDE 1601,1784,3135,3231 in <Of, Orléans, Neustria>. Countess was born about 805 in Of, Orleans, Loiret, France. Another name for Countess was Eva.

Children from this marriage were:

1029681724256 i. Gebhard Count Of NIEDERLANDGAU (born in 826 in Lahn River Valley, Hesse, Germany - died in 879)

1029681718171 ii. Queen Of The West Franks Ermentrude D' ORLEANS (born on 27 September 830 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France - died