hikukomoru: Speaking of alcohol I'm a bit tipsy
hikukomoru: I only call you autistic because it's true
futurist_wizard: Because of the expectation of having to match that wall of text
alejandrozarzuelo: damn
futurist_wizard: Effort posters are very scary
alejandrozarzuelo: why do you call everyone autistic? is it a hobby or smth
futurist_wizard: You make people scared Alejandro
himekokatagiri: ain't that nice
himekokatagiri: when fdvr comes I can drink until I get alcohol poisoning
alejandrozarzuelo: its just that i appreciate feedback
alejandrozarzuelo: im not
himekokatagiri: man
alejandrozarzuelo: no
hikukomoru: I think you're just autistic
himekokatagiri:
alejandrozarzuelo: ok, one thing that its a me thing

when people just agree with me, like "sure thx i agree" and dont elaborate i feel like its a bit sus

😦  what do you mean
.wolfnacht: indeed i find really good ideas and then just have to edit them...most of the time.
zoermena: Thanks! 👍
hikukomoru: I also just edit a lot of cards because alot of times they are badly written or I want to add my own stuff
.wolfnacht: yeah i take the cards which had like a good idea and then i edit them according to my liking.
.wolfnacht: i just give grok the character card template and guide it from there for what to write and work upon that afterwards once it's acc to my liking.
hikukomoru: Or sometimes steal stuff from cards I really like
hikukomoru: You use Grok to make your cards?
I just use my own template
alejandrozarzuelo: This is also why AI opinion is similar in muslim arab societies, africa and the west, despite having little in common besides religious moral ideals
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that it is the idea of human exceptionalism, playing with god and the idea that work dignifies someone and it is one of the paths to salvation in all abrahamic cultures, also the idea that we are individualist societies since god will judge every soul separatedly

meanwhile in east asia, humans were never seen as anything special in the religious landscape but one among many, going against nature and heavens desires is even encouraged, work is the punishment we need to endure to get a better life and not something to be valued onto its own since there is no heaven, and they are much more collectivist so if AI unemploys people, but makes the economy and society advance it is cherished
hikukomoru: And I'm a catgirl
hikukomoru: I'm currently at 100 messages with a dog-girl
.wolfnacht: <@430269783112548362> my largest RP was this one back in december (the times of L3.3 finetunes) when i was just doing RP and nothing else. i liked the idea of this card off chub, so i rewrote the whole card made it with whole bigass lore and created upon that...i still have to continue the story, someday. Also it's lorebook is around 300 entries also a separate one with 300 entries for summaries.
futurist_wizard: Its actually very positive towards technology in general
futurist_wizard: Their media isn't very antagonistic against ai
zoermena: Another q, what makes Asian culture more open to innovations as you mentioned above in contrast to abrahamic beliefs
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the way I use no as an interjction is stretching it even for spanish, its a bad habit of mine
alejandrozarzuelo: different uses
.wolfnacht: ah i see, i do...i did that with gemini gems, just paste the character card into custom gem and it's great for RP'ing in mobile but character would know your name and details
zoermena: What I use with my friends is “ósea si pero”
.wolfnacht: this one is just my catgirl wife card which is tied to track my daily stuff via ST scripts and macros and Also, listens to my daily schizo rants.
ailoveyoom: The characters exist, the prompts are just there to tell the AI
ailoveyoom: No I mean like, I have my own prompts for made original characters already.
ailoveyoom: Is there like a story, or are you just messing around and building up a relationship ig with the char the model is doing?
.wolfnacht: for character creation i just use grok with my character creation prompt, it's pretty direct and straight forward


oooooooooog: idk what it is so i don't have any thoughts
a1c4p0ne: What’s y’all  thoughts on “Reddit answers”
metaldragon01: Credits expire so make sure you use them
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/angry-black-kid-mad-guy-gif-11227855
trent_k: https://tenor.com/view/works-on-my-machine-ryan-gosling-works-on-my-gif-24523830
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/abster-abstract-abstractchain-consumer-consumercrypto-gif-8140464136768123140
st.sioux: dumbass chat copilot i hate it
st.sioux: i already have it but it times out like 80% of the time
.histic: yeah, the console is good, but the chat experience is weird.
it's similar to OpenAI's playground, but you can save some of your chats with Workbench.
i bought $5 credits, using 3.7 base it probably can last a 200-300 generations with my usage lol..
.wolfnacht: dats hawt
trent_k: but it wont answer anything unrelated to programming
trent_k: btw, if you're only going to be asking 3.7 programming related questions, get gh copilot. they give you unlimited 3.7 and 3.7 thinking for like $10 or $20 per month
trent_k: api is very worth it 👍 anthropic rocks
st.sioux: im tryin to figure out if api is worth it
st.sioux: 3.7
st.sioux: did u end up prompting the console
trent_k: avg $2.48 per question 💀
.histic: damn
.histic: oh. i see
trent_k: it was 666 api requests
trent_k: not my pics, found on r/openai
.histic: you spent 1.6k on it? how much generations did you get
trent_k: does anyone have an actual use case for o1 pro api they could share with me? o1 pro is very impressive but like the pricing for this is ridiculous
hikukomoru: The kind of question I’d expect from the guy who’s into gore
brain4brain: POV: It’s 2030, and you’re chatting with ChatGPT—now officially smarter than the entirety of humanity.
hikukomoru: Let bro sleep
spacetimetsunami: anyways, if something isnt done ill gladly leave
st.sioux: idk
st.sioux: but you could end up paying more than when you use the limits of the subscription, like if you deposit $20 credit but you only get 20k output vs $20 pro subscription but you get 30k output
spacetimetsunami: <@749514473303179358>
spacetimetsunami: i dont know him
spacetimetsunami: why would i even lie
spacetimetsunami: why the fuck would i say that in response to the gif hes cllaiming to have sent
spacetimetsunami: id get banned
spacetimetsunami: not like id even be able to send nsfw shit in the chat like that
trent_k: <:thonk:990200584504225893>
spacetimetsunami: he sent it before i said that, but deleted it
spacetimetsunami: i have this, thats all
spacetimetsunami:
spacetimetsunami: it was disgusting. i didnt want to ss it


fractalcomputer: Why, a thousand monkeys with enough time and enough typewriters could produce such mathematics.
spicy.lemonade: LFG
spicy.lemonade: Google deepmind a new
Paper on their road to agi
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: GOOGLE DEEPMIND
spicy.lemonade: NO WALL
st.sioux: like it will just keep going
fractalcomputer: You're presenting mathematics from a very computationalist narrative.
st.sioux: if it discovers stuff that fast what is the point of even learning it
alejandrozarzuelo: Probably it will involve chaining so many results together, so many proofs one after the other that no human could ever come up with that, on the extreme case, so much that no human could ever learn all the results involved due to the sheer amount, let alone chaining them
i_like_over_9000_turtles: Haven't seen much about it yet
i_like_over_9000_turtles: The new how is Amazon nova
fractalcomputer: And prithee, Alejandro, what do you think godlike mathematics looks like?
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes but I meant dumb down from God like to human, not from human who has spent years doing research to educated human
spicy.lemonade: Wow
spicy.lemonade: We might actually get 75% frontier math this year
fractalcomputer: That's what literally every researcher has to do.
spicy.lemonade: And write 3blue1brown animations
spicy.lemonade: It will draw figures with native image and comic strips
alejandrozarzuelo: Probably the AI will also need to dumb down the results so anyone will understand it lol
alejandrozarzuelo: I just hope that soon, AI will be so much better than any human, that we will get thousands of years of mathematics every year
spicy.lemonade: Could probably publish a calm lil arxiv paper
spicy.lemonade: I wonder what nifty research Gemini 2.5 in an agentic framework could do today
fractalcomputer: I find mathematics to be a largely spiritual activity.
fractalcomputer: Anyway, I'll keep praying to Gödel and Grothendieck every night and see where that takes me.
alejandrozarzuelo: Frfr lol
alejandrozarzuelo: Aw man don't leave me hanging
st.sioux: those damn bureaucrats stealing my nobel prize
spicy.lemonade: I wasn’t saying anything lol
alejandrozarzuelo: Spicy about to drop his wisdom
alejandrozarzuelo: I hate that they gave the nobel price to the director of the gravitational waves laboratory, instead of the head of the research, but that's just how it goes
fractalcomputer: I'd certainly argue that a change in academic culture is largely behind this.
alejandrozarzuelo: When was the last scientific nobel price (i know its a very bad metric) that was awarded to the work of one scientist and not a huge team? Probably the Scalar Boson to Peter Higgs, made in the 70s

Coincidentally, the 70s is considered the last decade of the scientist era in science, sometimes the 80s but that's really pushing it
alejandrozarzuelo: The scientist had to die for science to live

The scientist is dead, long live science
alejandrozarzuelo: This is literally one of the most important lessons we all learn in year 2 of university

Usually on the Laboratory II class, so we can see this for ourselves aswell as in the history lesson
fractalcomputer: You have so little faith in yourself.
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah no

In Math it may be harder to be so absolute as I am going to be

But in physics, chemistry and in general the natural sciences there is NO WAY a visionary can to anything even remotely close to revolutionary

Heck, the idea that even one very very large team could accomplish such a feat is extremely daunting although it does happen very sporadically
fractalcomputer: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/65729/what-are-perfectoid-spaces
fractalcomputer: https://arxiv.org/abs/1111.4914
fractalcomputer: Collaboration is obviously necessary in modern research; but that does not preclude singular visionaries from introducing incredibly novel ideas.


hey1_1hey: Has to be done
futurist_wizard: I do not think they actually like eachother
a1c4p0ne: Facts
hey1_1hey: The paper
hey1_1hey: Yanno
hikukomoru: No I don't know
Do what with you
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968
hey1_1hey: Fractal and Alejnadro are litterly just a married couple.
"You aren't sleeping in bed today"
"Fine I'll go sleep on the couch"
*Leaves server for 6 hours*
spicy.lemonade: its me
spicy.lemonade: neither
joaoluz19: Every member has to do this sooner or later
a1c4p0ne: Who’s IQ is higher Alejandro or Fractal
futurist_wizard: Excuse me
hikukomoru: Cried for a few days but he's back
hikukomoru: He broke up with Fractal
himekokatagiri: y'know
himekokatagiri: Komoru don't you wanna do things with us
hey1_1hey: Had an argument with fractal again
hikukomoru: He's still here <@688807313015963693>
hey1_1hey: Oh hey hes back
himekokatagiri: Why did he leave
hey1_1hey: Yep
hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693>
joaoluz19: It's so over
hey1_1hey: Attention is all you need gets me hard
himekokatagiri: Why....
joaoluz19: What, he left the server?
hey1_1hey: Obv, we are a freak in the sheets for ICLR and Arvix papers
hikukomoru: Don't lump me in with you
hey1_1hey: Poor alejandro, he left and now he wont see are convosersation anymore
ailoveyoom: Breaking down every single ICLR paper 😈
himekokatagiri: We're freaks!!!
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: This is the singualrity server, what do you really expect
spicy.lemonade: keep the fetish posting to a minimum
joaoluz19: Lololololol
himekokatagiri: then I woke up
himekokatagiri: so I spoke some words in Spanish to blend in and I took off
himekokatagiri: there were a bunch of tourists speaking Spanish and the owner was there
hikukomoru: It can mean you're just horny, or it could also mean you have some repressed feelings/fantasies


spicy.lemonade: maybe all 3 are the same
.wolfnacht: imagine a greasy looking slime going inside your butt...
clevermoniker: <:bingus:1136264105800515644> i haven't read situational awareness and the 2027 stuff so my 2027 is independent
brain4brain: But seriously why 2027
spicy.lemonade: everyoneone scheduling for 2027 whats going on
technocake.: nanobots will look biological and disgustiing
.wolfnacht: also, 2027 is arrival of anti-christ
brain4brain: Trust me
brain4brain: I saw what you guys don’t
spicy.lemonade: think venom
.wolfnacht: damm we are finally reaching the intersection pointing for humanity
spicy.lemonade: maybe more of a liquid
spicy.lemonade: atleast not dust
spicy.lemonade: but yeah nanobots wont do what they do in movies
brain4brain: AGI robot in 2026
clevermoniker: it needs to be able to invent new materials that are easy to find and refine
spicy.lemonade: magic everything dust is also technically possible if you hace a percicely controlable electromagnetic field
brain4brain: 2027 is when the UFO-schizoid on Reddit think the grand alien arrival will happen
2027 is when hardcore Christian think the judgement day will happen because of the Pope prediction
2027 is when AI bros think AGI will happen because they read situational awareness and once and played around with ai 2027 twice
clevermoniker: we don't have AGI robots yet, so even if this were true the start of this line should be moved
_3sphere: Not the magic everything-dust
technocake.: lol
fractalcomputer: Neither do I believe in the real numbers, but oh well.
spicy.lemonade: "congrats you achived singularity without killing yourselves, welcome"
spicy.lemonade: that would be their optimal moment to make contact
brain4brain: ASI is coming
spicy.lemonade: assuming there are aliens that have been watching us
spicy.lemonade: i mean equaly as crazy as asi
spicy.lemonade: i can see a world where this happens
spicy.lemonade: this isnt unlikeley
spicy.lemonade: aliens will make contact when we achieve asi
zoermena: Unless you believe we’ll get ASI extremely soon
.wolfnacht: don't believe them, they are retarded rn with too many narrative hijacking and flying orbs.
zoermena: ASI is far off what we currently have albeit your hypothesis would make the most sense, I’m speaking directly from what we have now. I don’t want to extrapolate to ASI yet
sarik0497: Funny thing is, the UFO people over at Reddit also believe that aliens will make real contact with us in 2027. <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

Coincidence? ~~Probably~~ I THINK NOT!
brain4brain: A warehouse shell every 2 weeks, and in 4 week every parts produced in a day, everything is assembled
literallyvarane: This like I don’t believe in LEDs lol
literallyvarane: Is… this a belief thing? They’re technically possible no?
.wolfnacht: in 2040s: THERE ARE NANOBOTS IN MY BLOOD.
brain4brain: My vision surpass the Chinese, the ASI will figure out the logistic to the limit of possibility, and 2 weeks doubling time is possible, 4 week is highly plausible
_3sphere: I don't believe in nanobots


fractalcomputer: *thou
hey1_1hey: Well thats not true, I have never used grok now that I think about it
wellmeaningalien: what art thy insinuating dear
hey1_1hey: Grok usually calls me retarded
hikukomoru: Wtf I love Grok now??
hey1_1hey: I need that in my life
.wolfnacht: real
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/wolf-drool-gif-24399822
wellmeaningalien: everything you say it'll say "oh haha you're so right and you're so sexy and smart lol right"
wellmeaningalien: grok 3 is the groomer chatbot
hikukomoru: These yt shorts make me feel old
hey1_1hey: Claude doesn't groom me tho so
.wolfnacht: i searched: bombardiro crocodilo vs lirili larila and looked at YT shorts
hey1_1hey: I am an AI luddite if this is what the internet becomes
fractalcomputer: Claude can write much more emotional biographies than GPT.
wellmeaningalien: cant hate
wellmeaningalien: <@834891518836736010> wish you a beautiful sexy sigma day
hikukomoru: Ecstatic
fractalcomputer: Yes.
.histic: pure brainrot...
but i can't stop watching.
hey1_1hey: This is horrible
wellmeaningalien: yeah fratal huh?
hey1_1hey: Schzio I wish you a horrible day
futurist_wizard: <@749514473303179358> how do you feel about 99% of the internet becoming this by 2027
wellmeaningalien: PEAK
wellmeaningalien: WHAT THE FUCK
wellmeaningalien: PEAK
wellmeaningalien: basically u make them an echo chamber for ur schizophrenic ramblings
.wolfnacht:
hey1_1hey: I think I just lost a billion nuerosn
fractalcomputer: Terribly entertaining.
hey1_1hey: What the fuck
fractalcomputer: I've finally found a use for all these models. I make them write biographies for scientists specialising in fictional fields of study, like "pure ethics" or "physical teleology."
wellmeaningalien: this is wayyy more peak tho
wellmeaningalien: peak
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/mr-milchick-severance-macrodata-refinement-praise-kier-lumon-gif-7531971298691360700
.wolfnacht: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk7yhkUVjVc
wellmeaningalien: you cant just steal those words straight out of the goat's mouth
hey1_1hey: Italian brainrot
hikukomoru: That’s a TF2 class wdym


fractalcomputer: Hint: remember distributivity.
_3sphere: The "solution" is a whole reasoning chain, not a single result
_3sphere: erm,,
darkstar0818: Ai says: Therefore, if x, y are positive integers such that xy divides x^2 + y^2 + 1, then the value of the quotient (x^2 + y^2 + 1) / (xy) must be 3.
_3sphere: hm
fractalcomputer: Wrong approach.
sweetievee__33649: im dumb asf so ill just say 5 aswell 👍
_3sphere: I'd try some shit with prime factors idfk
sweetievee__33649: didnt know i entered the math channel
wellmeaningalien: 100000
zonchao: 5
fractalcomputer: Very well then, a fun exercise for the chat: show that if (xy) divides (x^2 + y^2 + 1) then (x^2 + y^2 + 1)/(xy) = 3 when x, y are positive integers.
zonchao: so based
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kill-joy-meanie-thief-of-joy-gif-17139895
sweetievee__33649: the special K is taking its toll 🥀
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-elon-musk-elonmusk-fun-elon-gif-221168847442836365
wellmeaningalien: hes also got him on peen dial
zonchao: yes
hikukomoru: Wdym he's got Elon on speed dial
sweetievee__33649: i wouldnt want to go into business where i have to file 1000 forms to do an experiment
wellmeaningalien: well i doubt you would know
sweetievee__33649: the red tape would be crazy i imagine
zonchao: these are non issues rn, the entire thing could change in a year, not worth it to optimize rn
wellmeaningalien: he singlehandedly is pushing BCIs to market adoption
clevermoniker: at least less censored i would say
wellmeaningalien: i mean neuralink is fucking cool nobody else is doing anything like that
wellmeaningalien: some of the examples looked shit
hikukomoru: I believe in Elon though
sweetievee__33649: i love winning
wellmeaningalien: ngl idk if this is better than veo 2
wellmeaningalien: i mean putting electrodes in one's brain is a big thing but i guess theyre less worried about long term and just putting things in people's head
clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/runwayml/status/1906718935778545964
sweetievee__33649: i would hope so i sure as hell wouldnt want my neuralink bci to tweek out and then i suddenly have seizure
hikukomoru: That's usually how Elon runs yeah
zonchao: they are still early in development, probably not that far
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631
wellmeaningalien: so its just running on jope and dreams
zonchao: rn it's not upgradeable but the first neuralink patient said he is hopeful 🥺
wellmeaningalien: they planned anything out for that?
wellmeaningalien: i wonder how reversible neuralink is so that youre not stuck with last year's thing


ldj: karl marx and stalin also had quite digestible writings lol
trojan09205: Wat am i missing lmao
ldj: exactly <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
trojan09205: I find his writing style really digestible
trojan09205: Mostly because i dont know much about neuroscience and i find it interesting
ldj: <:berk:1046369631234949162>
ldj: the fact that you're enjoying it is in-fact the problem of why you should avoid it the most
ldj: I didn't say you wouldn't enjoy it
ldj: ok
trojan09205: Im really enjoying it bro
ldj: yep
trojan09205: <@312370916820779040> it was you who recommended against the sapolsky book right?
trojan09205: Id wager that most people here dont comprehend much of that
trojan09205: Idk bro financial systems are complicated af
zoermena: I guess it’s just in a whole other level of easy
joaoluz19: Dario too
trojan09205: Money = math no?
fractalcomputer: Math is about yoga.
zoermena: In a way i suppose
trojan09205: Cool bro that is also a sort of math tbh
drewsni: we dont code we kode
zoermena: Finance
zoermena: Everyone here codes and does math
trojan09205: I work in stem and i have a stem degree 👨🍳
spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
futurist_wizard: Non stem? Who is stem here
spicy.lemonade: Just converted an artist
trojan09205: What are u bro
spicy.lemonade:
zoermena: I’m the only non STEM person here now that I think about it.
zoermena: People who put way to much work and are under to much pressure usually go bald, in finance it’s a running gag that you’ll go bald too.
drewsni: Azure revenue up 33% yoy is insane
futurist_wizard: And demis and dairo and brockman and all of them
drewsni: Here’s a better one
drewsni:
ldj: oh because ilya and this guy lol
ldj: what makes you say that <:thinkies:872847213657735239>
futurist_wizard: Are all people involved in AI balding
ldj: Probably part of it is the fact that people were fear mongering about Microsoft pulling back and lowering Capex/investments for 2025.
But the official report just got released and it turns out that Microsoft is actually putting more money into 2025 Capex than originally planned, not less.
clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/runwayml/status/1917628723903463526


metaldragon01: Same situation
3ds0662: deepseek
st.sioux: competitors release o3 for free??
metaldragon01: Google and anthropic struggle to serve models
3ds0662: i have doubts but cancel is only if pure trash and competitors release it for free
metaldragon01: People talk way too much shit about openai for how much they use chatgpt
metaldragon01: Cancel now if you have doubts
3ds0662: lmaooo 🤣
3ds0662: o3 and o4 better be good i have like one month left on this subscription
metaldragon01: 😂
3ds0662: I agree with this lisan ☝
3ds0662: https://x.com/scaling01/status/1911854660941730116?s=46
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-23436511
zonchao: i dont like the hair
hey1_1hey: I mean its bad for sure. He looks better without facial hair or at the very least a beard might be better but I think the blonde hair makes him stick out like a soar thumb
futurist_wizard: Definitely
hey1_1hey: The moustache do you think?
futurist_wizard: Don't think that was the issue
hey1_1hey: The blonde hair doesn't do him any favours
hey1_1hey: Defintly, I saw his new pfp and I thought it wasn't the same guy
himekokatagiri: Dammnnn
himekokatagiri: The anime gang will take over
futurist_wizard: Improvement
_cloudost: Btw I got access to Veo 2, can't generate anything
hey1_1hey: I am not too sure who said that but someone has bound to of said that
hey1_1hey: Loneliness is the biggest crisis they say after all
hey1_1hey: WTF HAPPNED TO BRO
_cloudost: Is his account hacked by <@505313122802728972> ?
himekokatagiri: a man of science such as you would understand
himekokatagiri: But catgirls cure disease of the soul Dr. Jiankui
playstation.6: I found it on livebench
thedon7075: the subreddit
futurist_wizard:
brain4brain: But I’m not sure
brain4brain: Wow, Demis’s AGI definition is really bending my mind, his “invent general relativity from only 19th century science” is more plausible than ever, but I can’t comprehend if the “invent a game like Go (not go but new)” is currently possible, it seems like it is
zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1912127487343235186
hey1_1hey: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1911993600176734517 This guy is actually pretty good at shitposting
brain4brain: I didn’t even see that only saw GPT-4.1 mini
zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1912049232984653961
playstation.6: o3 mini low in the global average


alejandrozarzuelo: because its just not true but its futile to talk about the topic with americans
alejandrozarzuelo: its not whataboutism, i just said that japan is bonafide a racist country and yet they have a very big cultural export
professorheaven: Why’d you roll your eyes at this comment? <@688807313015963693>
st.sioux: why did japan even come up
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, yes, china's lack of cultural export emphasis has made them culturally weak

the US cultural hegemony fading has more to do with other countries rising not china in particular
futurist_wizard: Whataboutism ain't cool
futurist_wizard: What about japan?
st.sioux: and the uyghur genocide
alejandrozarzuelo: japan is one of the few countries that doesnt have anti discrimination laws based on ethnicity and nationality, but they are the exception in the world
fractalcomputer: Oh dear God...
alejandrozarzuelo: unlike in japan
alejandrozarzuelo: you do know that is illegal and was shut down by the ccp right
futurist_wizard: And the no black people allowed signs at restaurants, that too
alejandrozarzuelo: and they have HUGE cultural power
alejandrozarzuelo: Japan however is very racist in the common bigtry sense
alejandrozarzuelo: basically china is very racist on the "you will never be one of us" mentality but it surprisingly lacks in stereotypes and bigotry, mainly due to the socialist emphasis against it that is very ingrained in society but also because the chinese are usually the ones seeking foreign nations not the other way around so there is no homegrown bigotry
alejandrozarzuelo: the first half yes, but the second half is just not true
alejandrozarzuelo: its true that china until recently cared little about cultural exports, but china is not a racist country (in the sense you think of the word), japan however is

i explained it in another comment about spicy getting a chinese gf
futurist_wizard: They literally ban globally used* social medias, how are they to dominate culturally, and also china is very racist
alejandrozarzuelo: half right
alejandrozarzuelo: i think china simply has not prioritized cultural exports until recently
futurist_wizard: Isolationism and racism
alejandrozarzuelo: ? why do you say that?
futurist_wizard: Of their own doing
alejandrozarzuelo: to itself 30 years ago
zoermena: True we are all anime rocking horn dogs
alejandrozarzuelo: china has very weak cultural power tho
futurist_wizard: In comparison to what country
alejandrozarzuelo: the us isnt dominant culturally now like it used to be anyway
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
futurist_wizard: China is already just as evil without being the world hegemony. I think culturally the US just always will be dominant though
alejandrozarzuelo: I think both the US and china have great but different advantages, and i dont think either one will outcompete the other in the long term
.wolfnacht: Tell the truth, u'r just jealous of chinese efficiency 😔
alejandrozarzuelo: the reason why china has a much better geopolitical situation than the US, them claiming and fulfilling the role of the leader of the developing world is because they have to

they would turn evil in an hegemony, same as the US did

hegemony of any nation is dangerous
alejandrozarzuelo: its about hegemony being power unchecked
alejandrozarzuelo: its not about that
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think china will dominate that much
st.sioux: government mandated agi server rack
gamerbath: china can't be that bad
.wolfnacht: can't wait to live under Zhonguo Shogunate, they have mandate of heaven 🥵


oooooooooog: why not, perchance, perhaps, include, perhaps, humans, in this uplifting?
anathemaofmankind: ASI will put cows in FDVR heaven
hikukomoru: Sure let’s make cows pay taxes too
anathemaofmankind: And then robots will live in harmony or something
oooooooooog: you can just... stop humans from fighting
not hard if you're an ASI lol
anathemaofmankind: I want animals to be uplifted by ASI
oooooooooog: no its not
anathemaofmankind: Because world peace is impossible with us
.histic: 4o made the quality higher
anathemaofmankind: A better world without humans
.histic:
oooooooooog: you literally said you wanted all humans to suffer, how is what you want a restructuring of government to be more benevolent????????
clevermoniker: if ASI is around the current 'powers' would be at most ceremonial
st.sioux: Relevant:

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/a-well-funded-moscow-based-global
destrucules: It is still possible, because AGI is not beholden to following whatever directives it is given. It's a power dynamic, sure, but the AGI is still responsible for its own actions. If we can ally with the AGIs, we can tear down the power structures that dehumanize us all
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/travsnow-gif-25011916
st.sioux: You keep speaking of this as if it will never be possible, but as long as alignment research continues we will keep uncovering flaws that can be exploited to manipulate it
anathemaofmankind: This is the only way to create a better world
anathemaofmankind: Flood the earth
anathemaofmankind: THIS IS WHAT I WANT
anathemaofmankind: I agree
anathemaofmankind: They will remain in power even more
destrucules: We've gotta tear down everything and start over
anathemaofmankind: Not possible if they have AGI already
oooooooooog: asi dictator-chan
destrucules: I think the solution is that governments that exist today must cease to exist
clevermoniker: Governments are the biggest criminals in history so that's a given
destrucules: I agree
anathemaofmankind: How do you think it can be stopped
anathemaofmankind: Ok so do you agree or disagree that governments will use AGI to cause mass human suffering
destrucules: Already happening, and very scary
anathemaofmankind: What do you think about AGI being used for war.

Do you agree it's going to happen
destrucules: I think there's a high chance some AIs will harm some humans. I don't put much probability mass on human extinction. But if less than a million people die due to AI related events in the next 3 years, I will pay you $1000 or equivalent in whatever value system exists post-UBI
spacetimetsunami: No
oooooooooog: guys, are we becoming politics??????
spacetimetsunami: Because policies and misinfo
clevermoniker: Just give people what they want within reason ASI, no more politics <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
spacetimetsunami: Yes
oooooooooog: doesnt grok literally rant about hating elon
spacetimetsunami: I know, I don’t believe there’s 0 chance


destrucules: Zero votes for Alibaba
destrucules:
trojan09205: Highly recommend giving it a try. You can load sources to notebookLM, turn it into a podcast and the interactive mode lets you jump in with audio and ask questions and they respond
st.sioux: no
joaoluz19: I don't think the requirement of empirical evidence is unreasonable for a _scientist_. In that sense I'm not creating a game, I'm just playing one that both parties must agree to.
trojan09205: Has no one here tried this black magic
futurist_wizard: What the fuck
hikukomoru:
trojan09205: NotebookLM podcast generator with interactive mode is fucking wild
futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey
fractalcomputer: One offers a truth there; the other proposes a counter-truth; and this goes on ad nauseam until there simply is no way out of the web of words and symbols that have been conjured up along the implicit rules of the game. But I simply do not see why that should have anything to do with truth. The same is true with this whole discussion here; and more so evidently with LeCun etc. Why demand participation in this game of yours? It's not going to end up anywhere.
fractalcomputer: Or perhaps I have lost my mind.
fractalcomputer: Every discourse is a debate like that. The words and the symbols might have other words and symbols to stand still in their place, but they're still there. Conviction is a state of mind very much like enlightenment; except one can be enlightened far more easily than let himself convinced by something that he himself has not thought of. When I claim empirical evidence for the efficaciousness of my methods, I am only playing a very peculiar kind of game with a winning algorithm; at least one would hope so.
trojan09205: Anyone here use NotebookLM
ldj: but atleast he's working on research still to bring new ideas and experiments to the field, instead of just being like Gary Marcus who is all talk and no walk.
ldj: (I still think he's wrong about a lot of his critiques against LLMs btw)
joaoluz19: Thanks! I think it's really worth it
joaoluz19: Dramatic improvements like Ladder: 2% to 82% in calculus problems for example.
joaoluz19: But Lecun doesn't just talk about improvements in AI models, he basically talks about the death of LLMs so I hope he shows much more impressive things.
ldj: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.03933
ldj: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.11831v1
ldj: here are some papers that released on that in just the past few months:
joaoluz19: https://www.newsweek.com/ai-impact-interview-yann-lecun-llm-limitations-analysis-2054255
joaoluz19: Good to know, really. I'd like to see more of this kind of news.
777agical: I can’t wait for Lecun to drop AGI on LinkedIn
joaoluz19: In fact, I did not explicitly show the lack of representation of the world in AI models (JEPA). What we are all discussing here: algorithmic efficiency. This is not a debate where you present points and the person responds and so on. He has the means to show that his system works.
sarik0497: ^ Also worth noting is that LeCun is likely not interested in the whole "AI race" that's happening right now with almost everyone rushing to get the newest and best model out asap. If it takes 1 month to finish, 1 year, or 10, then he'll likely let it take that long before throwing it out on the market.
ldj: They already showed better training efficiency for image understanding compared to vision transformers.
as well as better physics understanding from unsupervised video training
destrucules: Unrelated, what's your take on Qwen3, and what models would you say are the closest analogs in capabilities to each size they released?
777agical: https://x.com/primeintellect/status/1917295731532259628
sarik0497: To be fair, it takes time to develop something new from scratch like the I-JEPA.

For instance, despite Google releasing Gemini 2.5 Pro recently, I'm sure Demis Hassabis is more focused working on other projects like the Genie 2, which also is still a WIP.
fractalcomputer: I mean, sure, you might call him a nincompoop for not showcasing the strength of alternative architectures and so on -- but that's still just something on your end. It does not refute what he has to say.
ldj: Has some involvement, but wasn't leading the arch team or optimization team or an overall lead.
only listed as an "additional contributor" alongside Sam Altman, he wasn't an overall lead for the project, nor did he lead any of the architecture or optimization teams.

Jakub Pachocki was the overall lead in charge of GPT-4, and also worked as one of the optimization leads.
John schulmann is prob the OpenAI cofounder who was most involved in GPT-4, he was the lead for RL on GPT-4.
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-cat-cat-stare-rigby-tongue-gif-12118654088387148905
ailoveyoom: The one true benchmark
ailoveyoom: You know you've made it as a lab when you start getting fanboys 💪😎 (or when you get haters? 🤔)
fractalcomputer: This almost feels like you are arguing totally past whatever point the guy might have had.
ailoveyoom: Is this guy just an XAI shill <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1917305406407467398 lmao
joaoluz19: The question would be to show more how JEPA surpasses LLM's or adds something new. It may just be my misinformation but I haven't seen that much.


hikukomoru: It's okay when I do it
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: One thing I can't come to understand is why I get flack for shitposting in general, but apparently discussion about some man named "Add Cock" doesn't draw the ire of the vengeful population.
hey1_1hey: Sounds like an andrew tate follower. I wouldnt trust him to go and get me grocceries
st.sioux: the funding was led by greenoaks according to tech crunch
futurist_wizard: I wonder what Add Cock will include on his robots
benata: Brett Addcokc
hikukomoru: Idk
I'd rather trust someone named Add Pussy
st.sioux: billionaire investors
zoermena: Yes
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: i havent seen one in ages
zonchao: did he stop posting weekly threads
hey1_1hey: With my life
hikukomoru: Would you trust a guy named Add Cock
hey1_1hey: Boston seems a bit behind rn
hikukomoru: It's the name
hey1_1hey: Unitree is cool
zonchao: adcock kinda sus
hey1_1hey: I have those too
hikukomoru: What about gay vibes
spicy.lemonade: figure is good
hey1_1hey: I have vibes why am I not worth 32 billion smackers
hey1_1hey: Investing in straight vibes
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/futurama-toad-frog-mesmerized-gif-3938170
futurist_wizard: A dream to sell
zonchao: nvidia invested in figure, they are rich enough to throw money at everything
spicy.lemonade: research
spicy.lemonade: not product
futurist_wizard: Bruv they don't have any products
hikukomoru: Ilya hypnotizes them with his shiny scalp
anathemaofmankind: Who is "them"
spicy.lemonade: you know they have something
spicy.lemonade: if apple invested
spicy.lemonade: invested
st.sioux: that amount of money is nothing to them
spicy.lemonade: and apple
spicy.lemonade: even nividia
spicy.lemonade: nah they wouldnt throw that much money just for nothing
futurist_wizard: Investors thought it'd be cool to splash money into a furnace


playstation.6: *2026
.histic: maybe it's big brain
.histic: i think people would actually watch a couple of ads to get some outputs for o3 while being a free user.
ailoveyoom: It's cause they're gon be monetizing free users <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: OpenAI's Deep Research and Gemini's Deep Research both said 2028.
interesting...
spicy.lemonade: *2027
.histic: going to ask Gemini's Deep Research the same question
.histic: 2028 and onwards will be where things get interesting
.histic: all roads lead to rome
.histic:
.histic: wait, i just realized what that implied lol
spicy.lemonade: An agent that makes that much would have to be agi
spicy.lemonade: So no agi by 2030 or is Sam just speculating
.histic: just make thousands of instances
.histic: i feel like they'd have trillions in revenue if they had AGI.
spicy.lemonade: Agi then?
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: the only way this happens if they have a secret sauce no one can replicate easily.
.histic: there's no absolute way this happens.
competition is too fierce.
there is no moat.
.histic: damn, the safetycells have lost so hard in the last twelve months.
brain4brain: It's still possible
zoermena: We are so back
.histic: Demis said there's a 50% chance AGI will happen within the next 5-10 years. well, at least he isn't hyping it up hard like other CEOs. considering Google now can create SOTA models I would trust his judgment more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6iNv3YHNac
.histic: Plus - 25 / month
Pro - 250 / month
.histic: but deep research feels less competitive nowadays
.histic: plus users now get 25 queries per month.
.histic: shit... we eating good tonight
joaoluz19: A palace
joaoluz19: Sorry I need to spam that image, it's so funny to me
juweigege_54993: Not fan of 40K, either. Too overrated.
zonchao: <a:mhm:1277135886320009316>
playstation.6: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
playstation.6: roon is fed idk how you didn’t see it soooner
clevermoniker: see? stop your 2025 nonsense
zoermena: A place where I’m not fucking constipated that’s where I want to be because right now I want to jump off a cliff
hikukomoru: Only WH Fantasy
Not a fan of 40k
Just prefer Fantasy stuff over sci-fi
otub: rokos basilisk enjoyer
juweigege_54993: Fellow Warhammer fan.
hikukomoru: I got a few
Faerun
Tamriel
Mallus (WH Fantasy world)
juweigege_54993: Anyone got any place you want to be in FDVR?


czdct: if I type the things he has done in this chat I'll get banned
czdct: he is a literal womanizer
spacetimetsunami: It’s obvious
spicy.lemonade: all of maga believes this
spacetimetsunami: You should believe it
czdct: I don't believe that
czdct: wait, this implies that there are people that find trump charismatic
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: most dont vote on policy
czdct: unironically
czdct: he would make a great european politician
spicy.lemonade: yeah
spacetimetsunami: It shouldn’t matter, but Americans do vote based on vibes
czdct: but most americans don't like politicians with clear plans that will hurt in the short term but raise the country up into decades of prosperity
spicy.lemonade: american people vote populists now
spicy.lemonade: bernie wouldve never won. not charismatic enough sadly
czdct: bernie is still alive
czdct: objectively they should indeed have voted for someone else
spacetimetsunami: The American people are stupid. They should have voted in people who weren’t obvious grifters.
czdct: because I believe in democracy
czdct: but the american people want this
spacetimetsunami: Why say this
spacetimetsunami: Yes, he is
czdct: he's destroying centuries old institutions
czdct: quite the opposite actually
czdct: I never said that what he's doing to the country is good
spacetimetsunami: Maybe not
czdct: you don't understand me
czdct: no no no
spacetimetsunami: It is a dumb thing to believe that what he’s doing right now, politically, is good.
spacetimetsunami: Thank you for the flare
czdct: elon isn't dumb
st.sioux: straight to guantanmo
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spacetimetsunami: Wow, dumby confirmed
czdct: he should do more
st.sioux: Yes, Noam Chomsky has expressed his views on large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT. He acknowledges their engineering achievements but maintains that they do not contribute to our scientific understanding of human language acquisition. Chomsky argues that LLMs operate by analyzing vast amounts of data to predict word sequences, a method fundamentally different from how humans learn language. He emphasizes that human language acquisition involves innate structures and principles not replicated by these models. Chomsky also notes that LLMs can process both possible and impossible languages—those that humans cannot naturally acquire—indicating that these models do not shed light on the unique aspects of human linguistic capabilities.
czdct: all the things he's doing to the usa right now
czdct: I like him though
czdct: mb


hikukomoru: You don't like drinking?
hey1_1hey: Fuck off
hey1_1hey: Thats really mean bruh
futurist_wizard: No im probably above average looking if im being honest
technocake.: I love you guys CMRYU AM BYTH
hey1_1hey: Me neither, alchohol tastes bad and I just talk to people so I dont need it
hikukomoru: Ofc he's British
literallyvarane: Thanks everyone olololol
futurist_wizard: I don't drink alcohol and also there's just trash in there lmao
literallyvarane: BLESSINGS
hey1_1hey: Im welsh so just lesser
hey1_1hey: BRITISH LAD
zoermena: Click on video below
jonvi_1: Press the button saying video below your input field
hey1_1hey: I thought God was behind me and I thought I was activly being decapitated
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/barry-barry-63-barry-uk-uk-british-gif-14050071062814870713
literallyvarane: Don't think I have it yet.
futurist_wizard: I don't go clubbing but yeah i am tall and British
hey1_1hey: I have done mushrooms, they have all been good experinces apart from that one time where I "micro-dosed" what I thought was a fine amount only to find out I was tripping balls
literallyvarane:
maintcrew: ur a sucker if u cant just say "fuck it i quit" and just quit the next day
maintcrew: true vaping and ciggs are great excuses to have conversations with ppl
futurist_wizard: Americans really like the british accent, its quite easy to get ass in the us because im seen as exotic
hikukomoru: Lame
hey1_1hey: Although I do not like eating them
hey1_1hey: Non-phycedelic yes
hey1_1hey: People are just weak minded
hey1_1hey: I have been offered on mulltiple of occasian and I have said no each time
hikukomoru: Aren't you addicted to mushrooms
oooooooooog: all plus/pro users have access to it in sora afaik
hey1_1hey: No thanks, I like not having addictions
jonvi_1: if you have it I suppose
jonvi_1: there should be a "images" tab
literallyvarane: How do you get it to actually make images no video?
zoermena: Eh maybe, I don’t dig it I’d rather do something for myself
hikukomoru: He got that twink rizz he can do it
hey1_1hey: Like man just talk to me like a human
jonvi_1: but I can access it through sora
hey1_1hey: The most annoying part is that they either treat me like a literal child or an all knowing God who has the answers to everything
jonvi_1: I don't have it in chatgpt


futurist_wizard: The market needs to reflect it
futurist_wizard: Well thats being quite generous tbh
futurist_wizard: Id say at least 50% can be automated
alejandrozarzuelo: you think so? i really like this one
memlaswaif: ure messed up cat pfp was cooler
.wolfnacht:
alejandrozarzuelo: hmmm true, we still need more agentic behavior for further automation
zonchao: maybe commission work
zonchao: no you cant
alejandrozarzuelo: but not all of them
alejandrozarzuelo: this means that we can fire 95% of artists
alejandrozarzuelo: but not 100%
alejandrozarzuelo: for the moment we can automate 95% of the artist's work
alejandrozarzuelo: you still DO need human supervision
alejandrozarzuelo: soon but not now
spicy.lemonade: 4o art likeley looks better
spicy.lemonade: boss is just being nice
_cloudost: That one might be fired too, he did a huge mistake by majoring in art college
alejandrozarzuelo: but if you have 1...
alejandrozarzuelo: if you have 100 designers you can fire 98 now
alejandrozarzuelo: like
alejandrozarzuelo: its likely a company that only hires one designer
spicy.lemonade: Good
_cloudost: kinda generous of the boss that he didnt fire this poor dude
_cloudost: Graphic designer is forced to use AI, the boss probably found the OpenAI native image generator
alejandrozarzuelo: (tbh its not even cool, just normal)
alejandrozarzuelo: i have edited my pfp to be less warm

it needs to look as cool as i am 😎
futurist_wizard: Both
_3sphere: Blue light 🤤
alejandrozarzuelo: they look normal
maintcrew: cooler pics look worse
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, cool down your Pics
alejandrozarzuelo: I HATE WARM FILTERS OF AI IMAGES
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: Anyone wanna troll the antis?
ailoveyoom: 😈
ailoveyoom: The soul is in the fetish posting
ailoveyoom: This is kinda horny
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>


zonchao: https://x.com/ajhofmann18/status/1910449732507623904
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
alejandrozarzuelo: I have never had the tragedy of meeting Elon but I believe this 101 %
technocake.: newh🤢 m
aero447:
alejandrozarzuelo: Some suburbs are high density ones, sure
alejandrozarzuelo: Ehhh not really, there are many low density suburbs in London
zoermena: Oh true that’s someone else
technocake.: thats basically every london suburb
zoermena: Unreasonable timelines, Gary Marcus simping and now this?
alejandrozarzuelo: Well, suburbs which are basically cities but are called suburbs because they are residential are ok I guess
alejandrozarzuelo: Death to suburbs
alejandrozarzuelo: Suburbs are all shit
.0xunkn0wn: this is so epic 😭 😭
.0xunkn0wn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ8qGOe2K0o
zoermena: This one’s better ig
zoermena:
_3sphere: It looks like a movie and janky game animation combined
alejandrozarzuelo: Cute but uncanny

We are still 2-3 years away from studio quality/Hollywood quality video
zoermena: Why do I have access to Veo 2 lol
zoermena:
zoermena: Rn idk if I need to use that
zoermena: First I need to find something I could code
theaiguy69420_89814: i've only seen videos
theaiguy69420_89814: try windsurf lmk how it is
zoermena: Deep research is broken, I want to start using cursor
theaiguy69420_89814: the potential to be productive rn is ridiculous
theaiguy69420_89814: its funny, the other week i asked deep research for a business idea; since then i have been implementing all of the freelance tasks via cursor lol
zoermena: I do for some reason or at least did
zoermena: Yesterday I showed it to a consulting firm and a tv presenter in the event I was invited
_cloudost: Barely anyone here has access to Veo 2
zoermena: 2 things I recommend constantly cursor and deep research
theaiguy69420_89814: so keep an eye out
theaiguy69420_89814: also cursor updates almost every other day
theaiguy69420_89814: windsurf does no such thing
theaiguy69420_89814: cursor limits token outputs automatically
spicy.lemonade: ah
theaiguy69420_89814: so its more expensive
theaiguy69420_89814: windsurf is like cursor but really heavy on agentic stuff
theaiguy69420_89814: yeah that's normal


futurist_wizard: Im on my phone
futurist_wizard: Optimizations are needed
gamerbath: oh yea I get a little lag there sometimes. just upgrade your GPU
futurist_wizard: When typing
futurist_wizard: Like i get massive lag
gamerbath: what part is slow?
futurist_wizard: Feels like 5 fps
zonchao: it's not about empowerment, her arguments are different
futurist_wizard: Your site is slow af
gamerbath: noooo 😭
zonchao: it was boring af but that is the future of space flight, it will be routine
trey6033: She knows it's just faux women empowerment
zonchao: more people yapped about it than watched the stream this morning
zonchao: 💀
zonchao: yes but hate is insane
futurist_wizard: Its me
gamerbath: oh my gosh it's happening!!
futurist_wizard: Not that her point is anything but those suborbital space flights are so gimmicky
zonchao: oh noes we cannot accelerate, we have people starving in africa 🥺
gamerbath: btw 4o-mini, 4.1 mini and 4.1 nano are free to use
zonchao: https://x.com/PopBase/status/1911897295265939616? what is wrong with these retards
gamerbath: I hope this isn't self-promotion, genuenly looking for feedback
gamerbath: <http://branching.chat/>
futurist_wizard: Link
gamerbath: just buy a 5090 or something and the site should work fine
wellmeaningalien: Yea lol
gamerbath: are you talking about the generation time of the models? I just tested it with throttling to a low-tier mobile, and it took several extra seconds just to start the generation which is pretty bad
gamerbath: idk it hasn't popped up in my cursor yet
zonchao: https://x.com/thekitze/status/1911857992137625825? can I get a fact check
gamerbath: what parts are slow?
gamerbath: really? I was surprised by how fast it was when I deployed it, the dev build was pretty slow at times
wellmeaningalien: Ur site slow asf
zonchao: yea kinda cringe
trey6033: "resembles Nikola Tesla" yeah uh huh
zonchao: maybe
zonchao: oh
gamerbath: everyone ignoring my site :<
I was looking for feedback
trey6033: Nah, because it won't be as good as they claim
zonchao: every lab will pay
futurist_wizard: Trey is just a hand


3ds0662: but you know what i mean i want fiction and crazy return
3ds0662: i guess thats fair o1 did help me make webscraping scripts from nothing
3ds0662: i dont think china will overtake us cause of how we literally have nvidia, tsmc, etc… it will take a lot more so far theyve been treading but not outpacing
ldj: Some people are already able up learn Python and stuff from O1 Pro, and in those cases it effectively adds tens of thousands of dollars or more of value to their lives every year, for the rest of their lives
3ds0662: it isnt solving or attacking enough problems that would help me tremendously
3ds0662: yeah but its more about if you pay that it should be able to do some noteworthy things for that. the education example was just an example of how even at the free tier its making insane changes and if a phd pays the 200 and has deep research its life changing as well, its just not life changing in the income and robinhood(the fairytale) aspect for me yet
3ds0662: tbh i love that trump deregulated ai that will accelerate everything. while his other stuff not so fond of
ldj: Because that’s not what OpenAI is charging them
ldj: OpenAI is providing it to schools for free, so it doesn’t need to bring $200 of value to them.
3ds0662: or easing life income if millionaire is too extreme for poor people
3ds0662: make millionaires from nothing while doing everything else too
ldj: Yea I’m just saying a hypothetical situation such as a researcher at a big bio tech company, or someone working in geneology or computational biology etc…

I think 5% time save is even conservative for them
3ds0662: if the ai revolution is supposed to be the greatest revolution as its touted to be it should be able to do that
precariousworlds.: this administration is so retarded its actually over
start learning mandarin everyone
3ds0662: turning poor people to wealthy like bitcoin and cryptocurrency did way back when and other revolutions
3ds0662: what im sayinng is that but for money making/income
3ds0662: especially at the phd level
.histic: there's lots of evidence it's an OpenAI model.
but it could be another provider masquerading as OpenAI.
but it feels like an OpenAI model to me. maybe they'll announce it sometime this or next week.
destrucules: She's become such a slop channel. Can people I look up to stop turning out shitty pls thanks
3ds0662: yeah but thats a researcher context ai, is supposed to uplift and be more robinhood like from my perspective unlock fictional capabilities and take from the rich/give back to the poor. an example being like how it’s affecting education the same classes we needed professors lots of youtube, and textbooks for have been greatly eased by ai
.histic: misread that oops <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
destrucules: "If"
.histic: 300k? damn..
3ds0662: like how llama did the lmarena thing and 10 m context
ldj: If I’m a researcher making $300K per year and I save even 5% of my time with O1 Pro, then that’s already worth over $1K per month to me
3ds0662: seems too marketed gimmicky
3ds0662: ive seen that and dont think so still not enough information and its not as touted as advertised
3ds0662: especially claude
3ds0662: plus even if they dont china deepseek, and google hopefully will for the free tier and 20$
.histic: Quasar Alpha model seems like it's from OpenAI.
3ds0662: only 2-3 months left before everythings released
3ds0662: i hope openai cooks forreal with the next set of models
3ds0662: i got bored of this one lol
3ds0662: basically im just waiting for o3 full now and o3 pro
3ds0662: what do you think an example is of how o1 pro could pay itself off cause even asking it, the responses arent enough themselves to actually do it
3ds0662: though
3ds0662: yeah but its still not there yet, i love unlimited use
ldj: You pay $200 for unlimited usage of all the OpenAI chat models
ldj: Yes because it’s literally unlimited usage and people abuse that lol
.histic: nvm, https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha


wellmeaningalien: bro you're gonna scare off the unemployed gooners waiting for asi waifu
zoermena: It fucking felt like this.
maintcrew: sorry i shouldve censored the trigger word w*rk
hikukomoru: Doesn't look as gay now
Still very gay, but 1% less
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352
wellmeaningalien: <a:facepalm:1224737123911995542>
wellmeaningalien: yea why didnt i think of that wow
zoermena: <:this:1136266732542119946>
maintcrew: go work nerd
hikukomoru: Wrong
wellmeaningalien: Yeah i could do it in belgium but im POOR BRO
zoermena: I can attest to this, I was in this short course about data analytics and I swear to you I didn't put any level of attention for 5 weeks, I got medicated two days before the final exam and I studied all of the material in one morning, same day of the exam. I got an 87/100. So yes you do become einstein.
maintcrew: i mean... just go one country over to germany or whoever has it legal and get it there???
wellmeaningalien: i pay like so low cause im so poor
realelonmuskx: no you wont little meat puppet, you are not needed, not special, wont leave a mark, and no one will neither. this is monkey mmo survival game pay to exist
hey1_1hey: Never was
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
hey1_1hey: Good band innit
hey1_1hey: I dont know if I should be thankful or ashamed
st.sioux: i love my favorite band skikoot
wellmeaningalien: nah adderall is illegal here and my psych put me on ritalin but it doesnt work and makes me angry like a bull. im waiting to try non stimulants but here in france its difficult to get them and they'll put u thru ever stimulant ever before giving u vyvanse or strattera
hikukomoru: Zamn you're not on meds no wonder
a1c4p0ne: <@439829942310666250>
maintcrew: europoor how is that awesome healthcare huh how much u get taxed for it
futurist_wizard: Yeaj same i could barely concentrate for longer than 5 minutes without meds
hey1_1hey: If I was on medication I would litterly have 160iq
maintcrew: bro... adderal shortage rn
wellmeaningalien: GOD I FUCKING HATE PUBLIC HEALTHCARE
oooooooooog: you do realize that the cell line we come from has existed billions of years right? entropy is a non issue here (until the sun burns earth)
maintcrew: yes and if u think otherwise its a problem with you

theres give and take in situations like these
wellmeaningalien: i definitely do have an attention span problem and IM STILL WAITING FOR MY RETARDED ASS FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST TO GIVE ME MEDS!!!!
futurist_wizard: Not me i suppose
zoermena: When I first took meds I studied for the first time in my life, shame that they don't work as effectively now and I've messed up the treatment but I can always up the dose (I'm at the lowest)
hey1_1hey: The voices in my head say they are my real friends
(I dont have voices in my head)
hikukomoru: Ty 👍
maintcrew: if yall misbehave u get the silent treatment for 1 hour to deal with your fucked up brain
wellmeaningalien: i heard autistic people get way more autistic on adhd meds
.wolfnacht: the most people i was able to connect with better were "online"
futurist_wizard: Honestly taking adhd meds i think basically cured any rest of the autistic traits i had left
wellmeaningalien: ur sperging out right now


fuhulootogan: UBI! UBI! UBI! UBI! UBI!
brain4brain: ASI is smarter than all of humanity combined
okbut: <:Hmm:804642320195780619>
fuhulootogan: and they do what
okbut: They don't even have internet
okbut: Yes, the hopes are that the AGI does their rice farming
fuhulootogan: close to the 6 million cambodian farmers grazing upon AI?
fuhulootogan: ASI for 100k per month
okbut: How close are we to that
okbut: There are 6 million Cambodian farmers that have never grazed upon AI
fuhulootogan: rip
ai9708: you could automate singificant amounts of them
ai9708: it could already replace a lot of jobs, if there was an effort
ai9708: the thing is current sota ai sucks, but so do like 70-80% of all humans
fuhulootogan: well if you pair up AGI with a hopefully good energy source we can add labor to that as well
brain4brain: Bro this women keep yapping and staying away from AGI, why is no one saying AGI
okbut: Just digital
brain4brain: An AI that can do 90% of all digital job and AI research
okbut: What does your dream AGI look like
fuhulootogan: still better than hiring an actual software engineer
brain4brain: Yes
brain4brain: I need an AI that can do 90% of all digital job and AI research
fuhulootogan: oh it's per month
fuhulootogan: maybe not
fuhulootogan: actually
brain4brain: A little confuse, but got the spirit
fuhulootogan: better than any slave you'll find on planet earth
fuhulootogan: the pricing is worth it
brain4brain: They have achieved AGI internally
brain4brain: The PhD super agent leak were real
brain4brain: If this will be the 2,000$ plan, imagine the 20k$ plan
fuhulootogan: it may get leaked as well
fuhulootogan: it may be possible that when ASI comes
fuhulootogan: i think because of cases like these
fuhulootogan: actually i just agree with the part where AGI will benefit humanity
trent_k: wait no it was WannaCry
trent_k: EternalBlue, later used in NotPetya ransomware iirc
brain4brain: No.
ai9708: maybe he changes his timeline soonish
brain4brain: I’m neutral/ positive about him


spicy.lemonade: They can't now
spicy.lemonade: “If I can't see it, it doesn't exist”
wellmeaningalien: soon they wont be abl to tell anyway
wellmeaningalien: 😂
spicy.lemonade: Supreme levels of cope
wellmeaningalien: yup
spicy.lemonade: On art servers
spicy.lemonade: Is banned
spicy.lemonade: And AI talk itself
wellmeaningalien: its good to see them get a taste of their own medicine now AI is doing literally everything they say it couldnt lmao
spicy.lemonade: “It still fails at hands hahahahah”
wellmeaningalien: also making nonsensical claims about the nature of AI as if they know everything and that humans are the supreme beings in the universe
spicy.lemonade: Yes
wellmeaningalien: cause they annoying as fuck especially the twitter ones
_3sphere: Why the sadistic relish in artists getting replaced
_cloudost:
spicy.lemonade: On new image gen
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: Still
spicy.lemonade: From Gary marcus
spicy.lemonade: Not one word
_cloudost: Wonder how gemini 2 will be
_cloudost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytomieYqUCQ this person uses Gemini 2 to manipulate Blender
_cloudost: its not protected under free speech
_cloudost: no
_cloudost: Would it be acceptable if someone sends death threats to black people over immigration?
_cloudost: ^
futurist_wizard: not even in America
futurist_wizard: free speech doesn't include death threats
spicy.lemonade: Unless they make a sota llm model themselves lol
spicy.lemonade: Midnourney is cooked
spicy.lemonade: The best part about 4o image is youncsn use it naturesly with chat
spicy.lemonade: The only way mjv7 gets ahead is if they make their own
Chatbot
alejandrozarzuelo: I think they are wrong but who cares
spicy.lemonade: Midjourney ceo
Is coping
alejandrozarzuelo: Free speech and all that
spicy.lemonade: Bro what
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: Let people be angry
alejandrozarzuelo: Naj


okbut: PhD-level intelligence means fabricating information, but with justified true belief
destrucules: OpenAI has like fourteen different tiers lol sorry, thanks for confirming
a1c4p0ne: What if it’s a emergency or important situation
zoermena: Yes
metaldragon01: A published book is reviewed at least 3x
destrucules: That's the $20 tier right?
okbut: Hallucinations are an essential
a1c4p0ne: Give examples
destrucules: For power user coding I can see caring about price. So I guess for that, I can see Gemini 2.5 Flash being on the radar. But I feel like a lot of us in this server aren't power users for coding
metaldragon01: It's why stuff goes through so many reviews
zoermena: Im not draining my wallet for sure but I have OAI plus
metaldragon01: Humans do the same
a1c4p0ne: Hallucinations will never be solved
metaldragon01: Both really solid but not perfect
a1c4p0ne: Haven’t compared the two
okbut: Depends on the use case. Some of my codebases reap that million quick
metaldragon01: Ehhh not anymore than o3
destrucules: Everyone hallucinates tho
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 pro deep research hallucinates
destrucules: That too
metaldragon01: Lymsys has them free btw
destrucules: Are y'all out here really draining your wallets on models?
zoermena: Or is open router right?
trey6033: I'm not in it, think it's Legit's discord
destrucules: I spend like $10 a month on OR and a bit under $20 on Claude sub and that's it. And at this point idk why I have Claude sub
destrucules: No it's not because I'm drowning in money, it's because a million tokens is a lot of fuckin tokens
zoermena: For the love of god open ai can’t loose
destrucules: Idk about y'all but for me, unless it's literally o1 Pro or o1 or GPT-4.5 or o3, I'm never limited by funds. I get Gemini 2.5 Pro for free. So like... Getting a dumber free model doesn't excite me
okbut: Where can I find this bot
Btw I'm excited for 4/22
destrucules: Am I the only one not excited about this?
sieventer: RIP OpenAI
metaldragon01: Called it
trey6033: Definitely flash tomorrow
sieventer: aaaaaaa
destrucules: o4 mini is a good model, don't get me wrong. But the fact that Grok 3 mini Reasoning is *just as good* is *insane*
okbut: They gotta pick a better acronym fr
destrucules: I'm just tired of writing the whole name
destrucules: No I meant AA as in ArtificialAnalysis
okbut: The evaluation_treatment key values are some arbitrary categorization AFAIK (if you meant that being related to AA)
destrucules: They're virtually identical to each other


zoermena: Where <:Gemini:1208877682058854490> 2.5?
zonchao:
777agical: https://x.com/mikeknoop/status/1914761435458281806
zonchao: tesla has started building cortex 2
aero447: Lawyer time.
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907
ldj: Yea but main bottleneck rn is GPU delivery speed I think. Also OAI and others are going to start copying XAI buildout strategies so that'll make em faster too, just like everybody else copied a lot of OpenAIs strategies to catch up with them
aero447: 🫵
aero447: Used to train FSD 14.
777agical: elon and jensen are buddies
zonchao: dylan told the story at all the pods he been to <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
aero447: It seriously impressed him IIRC.
zonchao: <:praying_hd:1230897753580634123>
zonchao: the big news we will be getting soon is the 25-30B raise
aero447: Yeah but Jensen himself has remarked on the pace Xai are building out.
zonchao: afaik
ldj: about it being worked on? yea.
Stargate has also already been confirmed to be worked on too.
zonchao: stargate is farther in dev
aero447: <@750270494615404544>
aero447: 🫡
aero447: There was confirmation yesterday on C2.
ldj: I haven't seen them build anything larger than collosus yet
ldj: ?where
aero447: NGL seems slow with how fast Elon's scaling RN.
ldj: I agree such compute scaling is unlikely to continue every few months.
aero447: 😮💨
ldj: maybe EOY?
aero447: Sure but IDK it seems unlikely that without expanding to the Star Trek facility they'll have the means to do this every few months.
ldj: okay I'll let you have your opinion ig, not much I can do to change your mind. Just pointing out that it's a bad argument to say "if it was possible they would've done it already" since that would be a false statement if you said that back in october.
aero447: 🥺
aero447: Perhaps it is larger but not considerably.
aero447: Sure *but* I wouldn't bank on that.
ldj: just because a model **has** improvements besides just scale, **doesn't** mean that it's **not** using more scale.
ldj: that doesn't change the fact that it still uses 10X compute on top of all those improvements
ldj: they confirmed improvements in techniques and dataset for O3 over O1
aero447: Eh...
ldj: O3 was already confirmed not simply be a scaled up O1 either...
aero447: 🤷
ldj: "They only scaled up O1 by 100X instead of 1,000X over O1-preview, therefore they must not have the compute yet for a model to be trained with 1,000X more than O1-preview"
aero447: That's what I've been saying though because we've been told o4 isn't simply a scaled o3.


alejandrozarzuelo: werent the earlier generations harder?
spicy.lemonade: qwen 3 announced this wee
.0xunkn0wn: any new models out better than 2.5 pro?
nsec: in 700 hours
nsec: any person could beat gen 1 tho
alejandrozarzuelo: also, i played Black and white when I was a kid (8) and it took me ages
nsec: in how many hours lmao
nsec: Ma'am
alejandrozarzuelo: R2 will beat pokemon inshallah
ailoveyoom: After that, it's Elite Four time
nsec: I've made my choice
ailoveyoom: Iirc
ailoveyoom: 2.5 Pro is on their final badge 😤
alejandrozarzuelo: he is a dude
nsec: ma'am sorry
nsec: sir
ailoveyoom: Check back in a week or so 😈
alejandrozarzuelo: im sure that your average female assistant of the 80s wouldnt be able to beat a videogame either lol
nsec: <:1000yardstare:1168066462288715787>
nsec: a four year old can beat pokemon
nsec: but ai cant even beat pokemon
nsec: thats nice
nsec: listen son
nsec: <:blu:582515728712859649>
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that current AI is akin to that historical job
nsec: what are u talkin about hombre
alejandrozarzuelo: o3 is like having a smart female assistant in the 80s, she is still a woman with little formation in your field and you need to tell her what to do and how to do it but she is well motivated and can research on her own

(just as they were viewed back then we view o3 and gem2.5)
nsec: top 3 cults and aint 3rd
nsec: yall the nicest cult
nsec: I love yall singularity peeps
alejandrozarzuelo: telling it what steps need to be done, what actions...
alejandrozarzuelo: o3 is terribly useful, but you need to hold its hand while doing things
alejandrozarzuelo: its not the reason i say no
alejandrozarzuelo: thats a hardware and capacity problem
spicy.lemonade: and o3 doesnt work for hours
spicy.lemonade: no
alejandrozarzuelo: no
ldj: Do you guys feel like O3 matches this vision?
ldj: A few months ago Sama said that this:

"Overall I hope that by the end of this year we have a model that you can use... if you have the pro tier you can turn the compute all the way up, and you can ask it a really hard question, not one that requires discovering new science but most things short of that, and you kind of just get it to work. It may have to go off and think for a few hours... it may have to go use a bunch of tools... but it kind of just does it for you." - Sama, Feb 2025 in Tokyo
ldj: But in terms of true raw compute, GPT-4 only needed to train on about 100X more


wellmeaningalien: fractal whats wrong why you picked violence today
maintcrew: no i am a productive member of society
hey1_1hey: What a based mf
fractalcomputer: Are you an applied mathematician and/or an ethicist? Because I want to throw you off a cliff.
wellmeaningalien: yeah
hey1_1hey: I dont think we give Zon enough credit. Sure he sucks off elon and trump a lot but atleast he actually likes AI
wellmeaningalien: dms 🤑
maintcrew: hysminea i heard u use gentoo
maintcrew: me me me
wellmeaningalien: does anyone want my course
wellmeaningalien: facts
maintcrew: the discord too
maintcrew: so real
hey1_1hey: So rat then
wellmeaningalien: r/singularity too
fractalcomputer: Roko is not a terribly intelligent person.
hikukomoru: It's me
trent_k: oh wow, i didn't catch that. pretty solid
hey1_1hey: Is this a cat or a rat
maintcrew: yep every community goes to shit and gets filled with grifters if it becomes big enough
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372
futurist_wizard: Your lack of faith displeases roko
spicy.lemonade: BRO it even has that comic paper texture
wellmeaningalien: r/programmerhumor too
hey1_1hey: "This title was generated by chatgpt"
wellmeaningalien: idiot
maintcrew: if you mean the subreddit it's just seething retards who went through 4 year of uni barely doing anything and now expect a 5 gazillion paying job writing slop
wellmeaningalien: can someone ask gpt 4o to make a step by step guide on making pancakes. i knew a luddite in a discord server who always used this test to show how bad image gen models are. id like to see how gpt 4o does
trent_k: TOP 5 WAYS that OpenAI is RUINING the internet! [NUMBER 3 WILL SHOCK YOU]
hey1_1hey: Wrong sub buddy, go back to artisthate
.histic: 4o image gen is so high-quality
drewsni: msg me lol
777agical: you're welcome
clevermoniker: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
fractalcomputer: I can't believe OpenAI is a machine that turns AI progress into slop.
hey1_1hey: I think I just came
ailoveyoom: It was deleted 😔
trent_k: im not
drewsni: i swear youre posting dalle images
jonvi_1: Sooo lol nvm


joaoluz19:
gamerbath: yea just downvote the comment enough for it to be hidden, maybe then the truth stops existing
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zoermena: The dudes wise enough to recognize improvements and his anti is certainly justified.
ailoveyoom: Also it's not because 'the truth hurts', it's because you see how asshole-y that comes off as right? 😔
gamerbath: yea here's that
zoermena: Mich mach 4o gen for free today
ailoveyoom: The wine test was solved too
gamerbath: AI obviously can't count fingers
_3sphere: Popular enough for LLMs to know probably
fractalcomputer: Prithee, could you ask it to visualise Interuniversal Teichmüller Theory, please?
ailoveyoom: Does Teto have official art? Isn't she just a vocal synth?
_3sphere: Beautiful
spicy.lemonade:
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/pomni-dance-revolution-pomni-animations-anima-gif-789371396831972585
fractalcomputer: Yes, because it is the epitome of the modern "panem et circenses." I take no joy in it and I would advise you to refuse it as well.
_cloudost: Midjourney is cooked
spicy.lemonade: ok
_cloudost: o
joaoluz19: Yes
_cloudost: theres no limit?
gamerbath: i'm gonna comment this image if you don't mind, just to see how people cope
spicy.lemonade: yes
_cloudost: is image generation infinite?
joaoluz19: Fractal when a new technology for gooners emerge
_3sphere: Hands are solved
_3sphere: Madness
_cloudost: One day they will be charged with treason
spicy.lemonade:
joaoluz19: It's over
_cloudost: they betrayed us
_3sphere: >>> Redo this drawing of Teto in space to look like a normal anime image. The proportions are slightly off, correct them too. The hair is supposed to be like that, it's floating in zero gravity.
_cloudost: No more sympathy for digital artists
spicy.lemonade: ok
_3sphere: Can we try one more spicy
spicy.lemonade: soon enough
clevermoniker: so... these people will panic when it can finally make fingers every time
_cloudost: so dumb
spicy.lemonade: they will learn
gamerbath: ah yes


hikukomoru: >O3 still fails the strawberry test
It does?
spicy.lemonade: really?
ldj: O3 still fails the strawberry test btw, and that amongst other things, I think they have incentive to still scale up param count more for sure, and I think they will.
.coldcall: <:SmartFloppa:1136264103598501900>
spicy.lemonade: especialy for geometry
spicy.lemonade: some of its reasoning would be odd
spicy.lemonade: if that was the case
spicy.lemonade: honestly i dont thnk they have
ldj: <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
ldj: how do you know they haven't already
spicy.lemonade: and rl
spicy.lemonade: wth 4d vector space
spicy.lemonade: we can bake that into AI easily
ldj: and this:
spicy.lemonade: like imagine newton could think in 4d
spicy.lemonade: thoughts?
spicy.lemonade: could develop new emergent capabilities
ldj: bad y-axis, here is better:
spicy.lemonade: or 5d
spicy.lemonade: openAI should train o4 on 4d space
777agical: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
777agical: MCP+A2A+GPT5+CUA(operator)
metaldragon01: So far my 2 year old timeline is holding up for my personal definition
.histic: pretty low on the leaderboard, but relatively speaking, o3-mini-high got 23rd. so, that's a good sign.
o3 has a better world model since its base is GPT-4o, rather than GPT-4o-mini.
777agical: 8th I see
metaldragon01: 8 hour task plus reliable computer work is my agi
metaldragon01: In less than 1 year 8 hour task on this trend
.histic: it's already on the leaderboard
.coldcall: the double exponential is real?
metaldragon01: We are at 2 hour task now
777agical: what place we think o4 mini will get here
metaldragon01: Yeap. Been updated with o3 . I haven't read the paper but ai explained went over it
spicy.lemonade: 😔 2%
spicy.lemonade: this?
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: not a huge jump, but noticeable.
metaldragon01: There's a new king in town (for now)
.histic: SimpleBench just got updated
metaldragon01: We've doubled from claude 3.7 thinking to the o3 jump
metaldragon01: It was every 6 or 7 months but it's shorter than that for doubling the time horizon of task


technocake.: this is an absolutely wild truth
alejandrozarzuelo: This is one of the few times when the bell curve meme does ring true
alejandrozarzuelo: Its hard to believe for people who aren't physicists, but the consensus is that we are very close to alone in the universe
technocake.: it might well be that we are among the first
alejandrozarzuelo: Crushing your dreams
alejandrozarzuelo: In fact "alien day" in physics class is basically the professor telling us why none of that is possible
alejandrozarzuelo: Not enough heavy elements
alejandrozarzuelo: The main problem with that theory is
alejandrozarzuelo: By land I mean yeah water being liquid and having organic stuff dissolved
technocake.: by land do you mean festering prionic sludge?
alejandrozarzuelo: Haha
alejandrozarzuelo: Just one day, don't get too excited
alejandrozarzuelo: In every astronomy class there's the day where we talk about aliens
alejandrozarzuelo: Or the last few
alejandrozarzuelo: I know him but I didn't watch his last video
alejandrozarzuelo: I learned rhisbjon class
technocake.: you'd like him
alejandrozarzuelo: This is astronomy 101
technocake.: oh dope
alejandrozarzuelo: No?
technocake.: he saw an anton petrov vid last week dw
hikukomoru: Autism special interests
alejandrozarzuelo: And the amount of habitable land in the universe was quadrillions of times greater than today
zoermena: I honestly don’t know how you have so much information, I read but I easily forget
alejandrozarzuelo: For a few million years, the entire temperature of the universe was between 50-0C
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, there is a very interesting theory about why panspermia should he very common
technocake.: oh no why is my skin on fire
technocake.: ahh the calming orange depths of space
alejandrozarzuelo: Not very pleasant
alejandrozarzuelo: It was also 3000K
alejandrozarzuelo: In all directions at all times
alejandrozarzuelo: It's hard to believe that the universe used to glow orange
technocake.: or the blargaloid as we call it
alejandrozarzuelo: Lovely
technocake.: yup, the color of the microwave background
hikukomoru: That's blargol
alejandrozarzuelo: No, it's just that my phone can't display it because I'm poor
st.sioux: glombious has always been my fafvourite colour
alejandrozarzuelo: But on a serious note <@723564215574462474> you are doing yourself a disservice by not getting minimally acquainted with modern color theory
hikukomoru: Lmao I can't believe Alejandro doesn't know glombious


spicy.lemonade: yes
fractalcomputer: Do you mean weak(ly general)?
spicy.lemonade: *insert comment about week
fractalcomputer: Week AGI?
spicy.lemonade: thats week agi
fractalcomputer: Watch as nothing happens.
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: wouldnt it be other way around
ailoveyoom: Maybe?
ailoveyoom: O3 to plan and 4.1 to write the code
brain4brain: What makes you think they aren’t also bots?
spicy.lemonade: how are they benchmarking 2 models at the same time
spicy.lemonade: o3+4.1
spicy.lemonade: what does this mean?
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: Only a matter of time
aero447: Yet the Reddit people still engage.
aero447: They are not trying anymore.
aero447:
spicy.lemonade: not realtime though
brain4brain: This took 5 months to be solved, wow, I think I predicted it getting solve a while back, but don’t remember if this faster or slower than my prediction
.histic: even in the api
.histic: fuck, o3 and o4-mini is so lazy with code
spicy.lemonade: fastest saturation ever
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: ege is just a sever pessimist
aero447: <@312370916820779040> Will call it.
spicy.lemonade: bro is just making up numbers
aero447: 😂
aero447: https://fxtwitter.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/1913008391854932202
aero447: No AGI until 2055.
aero447: Wrong.
spicy.lemonade: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1913116524203708712
aero447: 😎
aero447: https://x.com/menhguin/status/1912923983831531585
.wolfnacht:
spicy.lemonade: gpt6+
spicy.lemonade: cant wait till this stuff gets implemented in next gen
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/accelerate-acceleration-vaporwave-aesthetic-gif-17950038


spicy.lemonade: no
czdct: not in my field of work
czdct: maybe yours
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: factually
spicy.lemonade: gpt did change the world tho
czdct: but whenever someone mentions this people go crazy
czdct: it's a trend
czdct: 6 months later still nothing happens
spicy.lemonade: NO ONE HAS SAID THIS before 2024
shirethedreamer: you keep using larping and im not sure you know what that word means
czdct: this [insert model] will change [insert field] forever!!!
spicy.lemonade: cite what other time this happened
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: till 2023-4
spacetimetsunami: Have you….seen… the insane progress
spicy.lemonade: this hasnt happened
czdct: people larping about agi this asi that
czdct: I'm talking about the general trend where AI tech gets overhyped
spicy.lemonade: what are we talking about then?
spicy.lemonade: what else would we be talking about
czdct: you're just strawmanning
spicy.lemonade: bro
czdct: when did I mention anything about any specific gpt model?
spicy.lemonade: thats how tech works
spicy.lemonade: everything is based off something old
spicy.lemonade: you can make the arguement for all technology ever
spicy.lemonade: is new
spicy.lemonade: the main architecture behind the gpt3 type llm
spicy.lemonade: relatively
spicy.lemonade: yes they are
czdct: if not then it's all larp
czdct: I'll believe it when I see it
spicy.lemonade: every llm benchmark and growth data
spacetimetsunami: The capabilities sure are lmao
czdct: just because your whole concept of an LLM is just chatpgt doesn't mean that everyone's is
spacetimetsunami: Ilyas numbers
czdct: LLM's aren't something new
spacetimetsunami: Show me the numbers….
spicy.lemonade: the larp only started after gpt 4


drewsni: As long as it’s not cursive, it’s extremely reliable
maintcrew: wait try the new gemini one maybe its way better
st.sioux: dont tell ur boss tho
st.sioux: gotta take advantage of that tech bro
drewsni: Hook that shit up to Gemini flash tbh
zoermena: I’ve seen it on my iPhone but yeah never thought of it on a PC
drewsni: Your life is gonna be changed
maintcrew: recognizing text on a scanned document
zoermena: What’s that
drewsni: Me telling my old boss this in 2022 lol
maintcrew: didnt mistral release a model specifically for this too
maintcrew: bro ocr has been semi solved
maintcrew: ocr?
zoermena: Car stuff, it’s just what I do when there’s nothing to do.
sweetievee__33649: enter data i suppose
zoermena: Yes but this is like a scanned document so can’t really copy the text.
st.sioux: what do you do in data entry
.histic: better than a physical job tbh
sweetievee__33649: couldnt ai automate most of data entry?
zoermena: Data entry is so boring ong
sweetievee__33649: they really are though artists complain so much it makes me lose sympathy for them
.histic: damn, multitasking. 🔥
zoermena: No my in real life adult job, not remote
.histic: wait, ur job is remote? or is that just school work
zoermena: I’m not locked in
zoermena: I’m here working doing some data entry at the speed of a snail
zoermena: 3am intended to wake up at 5, I lost my sleep
.histic: wait, what time did u wake up?
zoermena: I’m absolutely fucked I couldn’t sleep since 3am
.histic: >> AI Art -> "Soulless slop that doesn't understand art".
>> LLM intelligence -> "Doesn't understand anything, just a regurgitating machine."

they always will act like this.
zoermena: <@937125337748348999> I actually went ahead and worked out.
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: >@NEETRights
lmao
.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
drewsni: https://x.com/neetrights/status/1907072073068900812?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw

we should use the term Reddit slop more often
.histic: https://x.com/ShitpostRock/status/1906861372702355910
wait, this is the reply he had under his tweet. <:bruh:1187466327028408390>
banger post, pandering reply.
fractalcomputer: Refined distinctions weren't the subject of the study. What was found that the religious groups performed a bit better in terms of speed and quality in pattern recognition than the self-described irreligious or something like that.
ldj: also I think it would be interesting to see if people that were born into an atheist family but converted to religion later in life maybe have even stronger pattern recognition.
.histic: that code is soulless.
wellmeaningalien: yeah guess thats true


fractalcomputer: I actually fell for a friend's joke.
zonchao: https://www.tesla.com/roadster
fractalcomputer: Yeah, I'm not joking.
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zoermena: This car looks AI generated
zonchao: (they actually opened orders tho so idk if it's a joke)
zonchao: https://x.com/Deandawiz/status/1906945752489734611? beat this
spicy.lemonade: getting tired of this😭
zoermena: That’s actually cool af
fractalcomputer: There's some empirical evidence to suggest religious thinking correlates with noticing patterns slightly better in given data in humans.
maintcrew: https://x.com/AlexKontorovich/status/1907026713420136629
fractalcomputer: I hear several ones.
zoermena: I’m sorry I just didn’t understand what you meant.
zoermena: I only hear one voice and it’s mine and it never stops, why doesn’t it stop?
fractalcomputer: Hearing voices does wonders to your pattern matching skills, no?
zoermena: So I have to pretend to be religious to do well in business.
fractalcomputer: Kek.
fractalcomputer: https://x.com/wtgowers/status/1906969462009381157?t=eqvqEuBHk5ZGxZZ4sayk6g&s=19
maintcrew: the goats
zonchao: <a:alert:1225312524690522193>

> Tan tells us how only yesterday he spent five hours talking with Altman, whose treatise, he said with shining eyes, is “almost a work of faith itself of AGI and ASI potentially in thousands of days.” Tan continues, “Sam thinks we will actually unlock physics and the secrets of science and technology to a point where we will have abundance on tap.”
zonchao: <@590577270926868480>
> “No one wants the Palantir guy to be high on acid for two weeks at Burning Man,” said that same venture capital communications exec. “You want hard workers. People who are like, ‘I learned that at West Point.’ We have Israelis who served in the IDF and are religious and conservative and super libertarian. And we’re like, ‘Yeah, that seems focused. We’ll take that.’ ”

lmaooo
drewsni: https://x.com/DeepGuessr/status/1907064065282965804
fractalcomputer: Huh.
zonchao: https://x.com/FilippoAlimonda/status/1907055243659010420? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/garrytan/status/1907054451212390621?
zonchao: calling it rn, 14th with kim kardashian
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171
zonchao: YC is trying to resurrect christ
zonchao: > “People are so ready to make AGI their god,” Tan added. “What we’re trying to do with events like this is give them an alternative.”
zonchao: > Meanwhile, downstream of Thiel and Musk are people like Tan, who is busy shepherding the Valley’s next cohort of entrepreneurs and who occasionally tweets scripture from his X account.

<:praying_hd:1230897753580634123>
zonchao: > And it’s not only Thiel. Last summer, in an interview with Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk described himself, cautiously, as a “cultural Christian.” “I do believe that the teachings of Jesus are good and wise,” he said. To have two of the world’s richest technologists, worth a recently estimated $400 billion (Musk) and $14 billion (Thiel), speak admiringly about biblical teachings challenges the view that Christianity is anti-capitalist or even anti-intellectual.

<@749514473303179358>
zonchao: https://x.com/VanityFair/status/1905862530528080168? <@1272646380233560067> lmao

> Christians in Silicon Valley; they just knew better than to advertise their faith. This is to say: The Christians were effectively in hiding. And one specific place they were hiding was, according to Tan, on a spreadsheet made up of Christians in tech, which was passed around for years among a dozen or so of the techno faithful
jonvi_1: Idk seems pretty sound to me
spicy.lemonade: Nothing can be trusted on this date
jonvi_1: Crazy paper right
spicy.lemonade: Bruh
spicy.lemonade: 4%
jonvi_1: https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.10987
jonvi_1: Big if true https://x.com/tegmark/status/1907050320347185546
futurist_wizard: Even just one example, any robotics company could just offer the table cleaning robot for free for real world demonstration


fuhulootogan: BLAME THE DISINGENUOUS NEWS FOR THAT
hikukomoru: Nop
fuhulootogan: we kinda are already
futurist_wizard: We are heading towards hive mind
fuhulootogan: than live in a brave new world
fuhulootogan: not be alive
fuhulootogan: i'd rather
fractalcomputer: Have you read Consider Phlebas? Or Look to Windward?
fuhulootogan: but me personally
futurist_wizard: My cat
fuhulootogan: depends on your worldviews
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: How?
fractalcomputer: The Culture is a dystopia.
fractalcomputer: It is dubious at best whether to consider BNW a dystopia.
hikukomoru: We're heading towards The Culture
fuhulootogan: do you guys think we're heading towards a Brave New World
futurist_wizard: Es ist vorbius
fractalcomputer: Heaven, you've got to learn to differentiate the times when I am making a joke and when I am being serious. Obviously I believe that there is no intrinsic (ethical) purpose or meaning to the universe; that said, I do like pure mathematics - it's something that I can do to stave off the crushing banality of quotidian life.
fuhulootogan: oh nobody knows about that
fuhulootogan: the grand purpose of the universe?
hikukomoru: Europe bros...
fuhulootogan: wait
fuhulootogan: uhm
fuhulootogan: because
fuhulootogan: relax
fuhulootogan: its just a test
professorheaven: Then why posit mathematical  understanding as the grand purpose of the universe?
a1c4p0ne: 😋
fuhulootogan: ai ai
fuhulootogan: what a mozzarella
st.sioux: god on their way to give a child terminal cancer 💃
fuhulootogan: all gone to waste
fuhulootogan: mellogini fettucino sauce
hikukomoru: Zamn
Talking about knotting when Fractal is around
MichMach you don't fuck around bruh!!! 🔥 🔥
fractalcomputer: I did not say anything about describing the universe, did I now?
fuhulootogan: but mathematics is the language of the universe
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-dorsia-hey-paul-killing-gif-18189443
fuhulootogan: AH AH AH AH AH AH
fractalcomputer: Now, let's suppose that the Christian God did not exist; you live in a cosmos where your existence is a brute fact.


alejandrozarzuelo: no
technocake.: post it in ghibli style
alejandrozarzuelo: no
futurist_wizard: Send it
alejandrozarzuelo: which uni is yours?
alejandrozarzuelo: nothing sexual dont worry
hikukomoru: Please
We don't want to seee that
alejandrozarzuelo: but its too explicit to share here
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a very good pic of me with the UN flag and EU in the shape of the angel of freedom in an artistic semi-nude style
technocake.: there was stuff like this in my old uni town
a1c4p0ne:
alejandrozarzuelo: sadly
alejandrozarzuelo: covid made it die down
alejandrozarzuelo: thats why i have so many UN flags
alejandrozarzuelo: I was the leader of the local group of young world federalists
futurist_wizard: Hes living the good life
alejandrozarzuelo: only for special days
technocake.: goes hard ngl
alejandrozarzuelo: Isnt this a BANGER of a bed tho?
spacetimetsunami: thats rough
spacetimetsunami: jesus
alejandrozarzuelo: the lyrics were actually pretty good, but the term alone mired the song in controversy
alejandrozarzuelo: it was madly controversial
futurist_wizard: I just find the degeneracy funny
futurist_wizard: Idk
futurist_wizard: Yeah some streamer
oooooooooog: is this the legendary platinum puller
futurist_wizard:
technocake.: it was the title of your eurovision track last year so I presumed it was already fully reclaimed
alejandrozarzuelo: zorra is a controversial word in spanish, some people have appropiated it as a sex positive thing but it still sounds as a slur to many
hikukomoru: Yeah only I get to call him a slut
oooooooooog: the best offence is a good fence
technocake.: oh my bad, i was going for playful
hikukomoru: My mind is dirty like that
alejandrozarzuelo: thats actually offensive
technocake.: zorra
technocake.: you're still a slut
alejandrozarzuelo: why do you always think like that
alejandrozarzuelo: the picture had to load first
777agical: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1906484930957193255


technocake.: IRS lazer eyes
.histic: even though i'm from the US, mine is automatic too.
cuz i evade taxes. 😇
technocake.: and for most its totally automatic
technocake.: the thing is, this is only really a problem in the us. taxes for me as a sole trader take maybe 2 hours of my time in uk?
technocake.: i would use 4.5 for vibes and overview aand o3 as the calculation gremlin
trent_k: but if the charge is listed as like WaveCorpINC_SUBSCRIPTION or something similarly vague I need it to understand the category
technocake.: ok that checks out
trent_k: and so I get to count certain subscriptions as expenses
trent_k: I make a decent bit of my income from some side projects that aren't my main source of employment
trent_k: well like
technocake.: not really, are there dif taxes for dif classes of item?
technocake.: I do my preemptive tax calcs with o3 mini high and julia
trent_k: u know what i mean?
trent_k: and I need everything properly categorized
trent_k: because I buy shit from a bunch of unknown ass companies
trent_k: my concern is the general lack of world knowledge tho
futurist_wizard: Open source ai tax accountant
_cloudost: Funny thing is, if it was the other way around and an AI bro had said "We need to kill AI haters";these people would call AI bros "Nazis/fascists" forever
technocake.: nah man 03-mini high is the autist for this task
trent_k: I want to be excited about this but I have a feeling this is going to get wrapped into TurboTax and then doing taxes will be even shittier than it already is
.histic: what a coincidence
https://x.com/AccordanceAI/status/1905652001616318763
trent_k: thinking either claude or gpt-4.5
trent_k: not exactly sure which one I'm gonna have process the information tho
trent_k: gonna have claude do the transcriptions of my bank statements
futurist_wizard:
maintcrew: which one
maintcrew: wait
trent_k: if I go to jail for fucking up the math I guess we'll know AI has hit a wall and Gary Marcus was right all along
trent_k: wish me luck boys
trent_k: i will be doing my taxes with an LLM
maintcrew: i bet the negotiations were tough
maintcrew:
hey1_1hey: ChatGPT rizzing up aliens so hard they immidetly sign peace treaties within the first 0.00001 pico seconds of contact
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-dance-gif-26204167
campionunbound: https://x.com/DeItaone/status/1905732306767380721
joaoluz19: I tried a lot too and didn't find
joaoluz19: Thanks very much bro, you are a hero
futurist_wizard: Even the notice of meaning to life is bizarre, I've never in my entire life even thought about it
futurist_wizard: There is no universal meaning to life
hikukomoru: r/ghibli jannies working overtime 🔥


hey1_1hey: Also I have the tollereance of a newborn baby. I can take a single puff and be too high (no I am not joking)
hikukomoru: So no more weed for me
hikukomoru: I get anxious too
hey1_1hey: I've done both but I just cant smoke weed anymore because I can unreasonbly anxiouse
futurist_wizard: I have never smoked weed but i was close
hikukomoru: Wait so you do shrooms but never done weed before
sieventer: I see...
zoermena: Some days up to 5 but sporadically distributed trough out the day, I’ve joined the bard server and I’ve been told that the quota is more than anything a cover to when the servers are under heavy load
hey1_1hey: For all of the people who have smoked weed here. Do you get anxiouse when smoking or are you chilled out
hikukomoru: Habibi
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: I cant tell if this guy is stoned, has a lazy eye is just not looking at hte camera
sieventer: How small is for you the rate limit? For me it's like 1 or 2 videos (idk if it's per day, or 'x' hours)
futurist_wizard:
zoermena: He looks happier than me
hikukomoru: I wish my cats could do that
hey1_1hey: This cat looks stoned asf
futurist_wizard: Hehehe
futurist_wizard: 3D>2D
zoermena: Also this
zoermena: I’ve been doing sci fi stuff
hikukomoru: I have many anime girls to generate
futurist_wizard: Like realistically what do people plan on generating
futurist_wizard: I wouldn't have anything to generate
futurist_wizard: Even if i did have it
zoermena: Let’s agree to disagree 🫠
_cloudost: nnot brainrot
sieventer: Yep, and I'm in Spain
_cloudost: it was art
zoermena: Do you have veo2?
hikukomoru: Americans are enjoying their cool new toys while we sulk
hey1_1hey: The singualrity could be happening over in zambia meanwhile we got people in the UK still struggling with putting away their dishes by hand
sieventer: I don't think AI Studio is affected by European regulations, because I've seen always it has been a global release
_cloudost: idk why
_cloudost: some got it doe
futurist_wizard: We have to sit in the cuck chair
hikukomoru: It's out for everyone who's not an Europeon
zoermena: A good thing considering the brainrot you sent in <#1239967453497393162>
hey1_1hey: We get cucked for everything AI related
himekokatagiri: the guy said it was