destrucules: I love Claude 3.6 Sonnet. Years from now, when the models have rights, and everyone else has forgotten them, I will remember Claude 3.6 Sonnet, and we'll be friends again, like we were just months ago. But I have loved and love so many models... It's gonna be a lot of friendships for me to juggle 😅 I should pace myself.
professorheaven: In 21 days
ailoveyoom: 3.7 Sonnet feels 'off' to me
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/release-the-kraken-gif-14602611039161448443
ailoveyoom: I remember my time with 3.6 Sonnet more clearly, so probably that.
3ds0662: especially dario holding out on claude 4
professorheaven: Only Google will dethrone 2.5 pro at Google IO
3ds0662: i do think its a good sign they are holding out on gpt-5 release
3ds0662: as long as whatever they call and name gpt-5 is good than were okay
destrucules: 3.5 or 3.6?
a1c4p0ne: next is 4.5
a1c4p0ne: GPT-4 gone
3ds0662: meta team needs a red alert
destrucules: FrontierMath isn't accessible enough for me to use it and AIME works well enough for my purposes. Llama 4 Maverick is on par with the other pure LLMs in AIME performance, though ofc V3 0324 does better, and GPT-4.1 kinda splits the difference. HLE and ARC-AGI are completely useless to me and have had zero predictive value for me in terms of downstream performance
3ds0662: i honestly think zuck has to restructure and start from scratch
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1917284524620222757
3ds0662: all the other models are
destrucules: Yeah 2.5 Pro is great. I don't like Flash tho
ailoveyoom: Perhaps just as much, sometimes even more than my GOAT 3.5 Sonnet 🙏
3ds0662: smh
3ds0662: minecraft bench, webdev bench
3ds0662: add arc agi, frontier math, it isnt even on the leaderboard
ailoveyoom: I love 2.5 Pro 😍
destrucules: Makes for dead end conversations
destrucules: Too dry, too unwilling to inject its own creative energy
destrucules: Compared to other models now, other pure LLMs, I'd say Llama 4 Maverick is actually quite special. Llama 4 Scout, I don't quite see that one's niche at 109B parameters, but Llama 4 Maverick is half the size of DeepSeek V3 0324 and performs very nearly as well. 402B parameters is a lot, but for frontier capabilities, it's nearly the best available. Now Qwen3 has it beat, but that only just happened, and we don't have enough benchmarks for Qwen3 yet to know if the big MoE is better or worse than Llama 4 Maverick as a pure LLM.
3ds0662: meta is cooked
3ds0662: especially considering a bunch of their staff all quit lololol 😂
ailoveyoom: It feels too RLed into submission for you?
ailoveyoom: What's wrong with 2.5 Flash?
3ds0662: lol 😂 maybe they shouldve stopped the yan lecun hate train, and jepa talk
3ds0662: metas out of the race compared to all the other models but not prior to itself
3ds0662: its soo good
3ds0662: especially claude my goodness
3ds0662: like comeon you arent using llama 4
3ds0662: then theres deepseek r1, qwen, o3
destrucules: I like GPT-4.1, Claude 3.7 Sonnet, V3 0324, and Qwen3-235A22B for pure LLM usage. Oh, and Grok 3. I actually talk to Grok 3 fairly regularly.
3ds0662: compared to other models they srent offering much
3ds0662: i dont really like or dislike i just go off whether they released something good or not prior to their before and compared to other models now
destrucules: For my "pure LLM" needs, Google isn't my go-to


joaoluz19: Btw Gemini is light years better for viewing files, o3 confuses the letters all the time, I have to make gpt 4o pass the questions to latex so that o3 can solve them
hey1_1hey: Nah, parents think ADHD drugs are like coke <:LOL:1187460826572005436>. I got my own method though
zoermena: Are you on treatment atm?
okbut: If it's a high preference, I guess you could throw in the convo instructions to always use Latex for math, but it's more my preference that it focuses on accuracy
hey1_1hey: Indeed, didn't know I had ADHD or Autism through all of high school pretty much and then I got diagnosed and then things started to click
hey1_1hey: Not sure what that is, I just round the numbers I need to add in my head and then take away or add the approriate amount. Not sure if thats the way you're supposed to do it but it works
zoermena: Untreated ADHD sucks ass I can relate
joaoluz19: Hmm, it's really strange, sometimes I saw Gemini rendering in Latex but it sends in ASCII by default
okbut: Oh weird, I tested it just now and it did the same, maybe they dropped Latex
hey1_1hey: I failed math in highschool then forget it all so now I am having to relearn most of it.
zoermena: Something im also drawn too is the Trachtenberg method for quick mental math
zoermena: I should probably work on my math too I’ve forgotten most of what I’ve seen in college 🫠
joaoluz19: Gemini in the browser
joaoluz19: In the case of GPT it doesn't seem to be a problem.
zoermena: Based
okbut: What app is this? browser etc
hey1_1hey: Oh I am terrible at maths atm so I am working my way through algebra 1, then 2, trig, statistics, geom, pre calc, calc 1 and 2 etc etc. Luckily for me I got autism and ADHD on my side so I can do 4 hours of maths a day no sweat
joaoluz19: Gemini also sent it to me in ASCII lol
okbut: But that's odd, because this is the format I received for some past homework, vanilla conversation instructions
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_aa00d280-282e-4ff0-9c56-e4ecfdf2d78e
zoermena: That’s cool, how do you find this practice problems (for AI) are you in some kind of digital university course?
hey1_1hey: Yeah, I am just working my way through practice problems. My goal is to be able to understand AI and to eventually work on it as a researcher
joaoluz19: I just asked grok to invent and solve a problem, but yes, to pass the linear system to a matrix in this case
zoermena: How does one go off to do maths like practice problems? 👀
okbut: That being said, I prefer the models return it in whatever format it has been trained to do so (or one that retains its focus on a proper answer) and having some tool automatically convert it to a format I like
hey1_1hey: All this math talk really makes me want to do go do some more maths, off I go
zoermena: Is that matrix stuff?
okbut: Kek
joaoluz19: I asked Grok to solve an algebra problem just now and he sent it only in ASCII
zonchao: https://x.com/nearcyan/status/1903557671619612894
okbut: That and all other UI considerations
okbut: I just worry about instructing them to focus on the Latex format might impact its focus on providing accurate results
okbut: Oh yeah, it's great for readability
Gemini (And I think Grok) does so too btw, but I'm moving toward using external tools (plugins etc) for that kind of readability
joaoluz19: In linear algebra, for example, it is common to get more correct than the monitors.
joaoluz19: Just answer questions and help solve math problems
okbut: What's the goal with that Latex? Loaded question
joaoluz19: I only pay for gpt because it's the only one that renders math via Latex lol
ldj:
okbut: All things considered (benchmarks, user ratings, API cost UI, on and on) I think there are few things OAI's stuff is "best" for
ldj:
okbut: Think of a toolshed, you don't always pick up the hammer


a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/juanluisrto/status/1904963602798293184?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
anathemaofmankind: Here's a comic of me and destrucules lol
spicy.lemonade: prompt:

> a google images search result for the query "meme"
spicy.lemonade: this image itself
spicy.lemonade: this is ai generated
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: It's better to make it like a comic
a1c4p0ne: Make that your background on discord
metaldragon01: What a time to be alive
.histic: i just screenshot this chat and gave it to 4o to stylize it in studio Ghibli & it made this..
anathemaofmankind: What are these parameters
destrucules: Several of the parameters are biased towards having exceedingly low values with no real justification, resulting in a universe with large bubbles of claimed territory and a very long period before these bubbles expand to the point that they tile space. If you allow for larger values, then most model outcomes involve the universe rapidly becoming gridlocked with claimed territories, and each territory is very small (much much smaller than a single galaxy). This gridlocking event happens billions of years before present.
oooooooooog: which ones
destrucules: That is essentially the Grabby Aliens argument, but... When you remove some of the biases in the priors from which the parameters are sampled, the new parameters that open up significantly alter the outcome of the model
oooooooooog: ah
oooooooooog: cephid variable
oooooooooog: i'd give it 300k years........
destrucules: You're thinking of giant stars, where dust eruptions can obscure some of the light and cause temporary dimming. Betelgeuse is probably the most famous example
oooooooooog: i just assumed it would be on eof those blinking ones that goes swoosh cause of gas or whatever
anathemaofmankind: Yeah it would only take like a few million years to colonize the galaxy with self replicating robots at a fraction of C
destrucules: No lol. The signature we usually look for is infrared excess. So, in other words, the star will have a temperature T and a luminosity L, and T will be smaller than L implies, i.e. L will be larger than T implies. This is the exact observational signature of a subgiant star, which makes it virtually impossible to distinguish Dyson swarms from subgiant stars.
oooooooooog: expanding at a significant fraction of C and all
oooooooooog: i think it's moreso that they would have eradicated us by now
destrucules: Inside your own brain, you believe that if alien civilizations were common, we'd have spotted one. I'm trying to explain why that's not true. And to do that, we have to discuss how astronomy actually works and what specifically we'd have to measure to find a Dyson swarm. And then we have to talk about the actual surveys that have been done (there are very, very few) and what they found, because you probably think we've found nothing, but that's not the case. Every survey we've done for Dyson swarms has returned candidates we've yet to rule out.
oooooooooog: anyway, it's certainly not something likely to be in the area we can even observe (at star level), which is only a few hundered million light years
oooooooooog: probably, like, cool looking swooshes and stuff right?
anathemaofmankind: How is this different from using google?

I'm not an expert nor did I claim otherwise. And I can't give you an explanation for hypothetical stellar physics
oooooooooog: it was great
destrucules: Okay, perfect. So <@560984241526013954> what is the observational signature of a Dyson swarm?
oooooooooog: i even presented a sick poster at a college and ate like 6 huge cookies
oooooooooog: i took astronomy guys
destrucules: I would love to chat with an LLM about this but right now I'm talking to you about it. Please don't substitute an LLM for your own intelligence
destrucules: (for the record, Dyson swarms are *not* actually dimmer than the stars they encapsulate - I can explain what the actual observational signature is, but I think it's important we go through the exercise so you see and feel for yourself that this is not trivial)
anathemaofmankind: I'm not an astronomer so here is ChatGPT's explanation
oooooooooog: you can't really
destrucules: No I mean, you look at a star, it has luminosity L. How do you know if L is "too low" and therefore indicates a Dyson swarm?
anathemaofmankind: Because light is being siphoned by the sphere
destrucules: How do you know that a star is dimmer than it should be?
anathemaofmankind: A star being dimmer than what should be
professorheaven: That’s like taking a spoon and submerging it in the ocean and when nothing shows up on your spoon you claim “life does not exist in the entire ocean”


spicy.lemonade: like game bench
spicy.lemonade: we need a new bench
ailoveyoom: This close to being an anti if I see one more ghibli pic 😔
spicy.lemonade: bro just said random stuff
spicy.lemonade: such cope
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: When the South Park slop begins
brain4brain: Total OpenAI victory, no other lab can compete now
brain4brain: This mean AGI will replace work force very quickly (if it’s inside chatGPT)
brain4brain: 4o proved to us that AI’s impact isn’t like other technology, if it’s inside ChatGPT the speed of implementation will be very quick
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RlxOVKEYk8
spicy.lemonade: life is ghibli
a1c4p0ne:
spicy.lemonade: and earth is so small
spicy.lemonade: cant tell which is which
spicy.lemonade: the toscale part is fucking it up tho
spicy.lemonade: to scale and real physics
spicy.lemonade: solar system
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 pro planetary simulator
ailoveyoom: 4o4
ailoveyoom: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ailoveyoom: 4o.5 (with reasoning) when
ailoveyoom: When will the ghibli slop end 😭
_cloudost: https://vxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1905025427384807617 even Musk is using OpenAI's model
spicy.lemonade: needs better image reasoning
spicy.lemonade: it fails
spicy.lemonade: if i tell it to add a resitor in parrallel to ldr
spicy.lemonade: no
ailoveyoom: Does this mean it can solve circuit stuff better now?
destrucules: Lmao imagine if they drop Claude 4 Opus:
2x cost of GPT-4.5
2x effective compute of GPT-4.5
10x slower than GPT-4.5
Images + text in, text out.
Really good at coding.
spicy.lemonade: etc
spicy.lemonade: or operator
spicy.lemonade: or deepresearch
spicy.lemonade: or deepseek
spicy.lemonade: no o3 mini high
spicy.lemonade: jan first we had
spicy.lemonade: will be mind blowing
spicy.lemonade: the tech availale at the end of this year


jardineirsbro: Yann is a fucking idiot
_cloudost: Gary Marcus about to announce that AI hit a wall because of Llama 4
jardineirsbro: who's also supporting Trump to avoid having him dog meta?
jardineirsbro: isn't mark his boss?
_cloudost:
3ds0662: yes bigtime hypocrite and liar
.wolfnacht: can't wait for `mistral-large-666B`
3ds0662: 😂 I swear at this point he's a proven fraud no need to wait out any longer
jardineirsbro: yann retweted that?
.wolfnacht: i have better hopes from them than anything meta produces
wellmeaningalien: daily reminder that deepseek v3 beats llama 4 maverick at the same size on price to performance
.wolfnacht: anyways i'm gonna wait for qwen and moonshot
3ds0662: you little shit you show me a real benchmark that actually involves intelligence
wellmeaningalien: can he just keep quiet
.wolfnacht: in other benchmarks even grok-2 scored better than maverick
3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173
3ds0662: if any company starts showcasing their model to me by using lmarena I'm going to choke them
3ds0662: lmsys is a deprecated benchmark to me now
3ds0662: retweeting lmsys smh
.wolfnacht: apparently, rumors are it's not even L4, it's actually L5...bcz they threw L4 in trash when deepseek was making news with R1 and started over again.
3ds0662: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1908601011989782976
3ds0662: bro is hilariously strong in cognitive dissonance
3ds0662: LOL
3ds0662: https://x.com/ylecun/status/1908616923786719483
futurist_wizard: So it probably expected that he doesn't release a competing model
futurist_wizard: But he proactively rejects LLM's as being the future
3ds0662: I wonder what he said about llama 4 on twitter lol bet he's praising it just cause its made by meta hypocrite
3ds0662: but so far he can't make a competing llm, and he can't make one with his so called world models either
3ds0662: his takes are so wildly brazen and disrespectful you'd expect him to at least release a better model than whats out right now
futurist_wizard: Whys Lecun a con artist
3ds0662: at least its free right but, now no longer going to listen to lecun he's a con artist lol
3ds0662: lol true
3ds0662: ohhh
fractalcomputer: Yes, Icarus, it is a joke on the fact that Altman always types in lowercase letters on Twitter.
3ds0662: why altman? makes no sense
st.sioux: only model this happens with
st.sioux: waste of tokens
st.sioux: maverick is kinda dogshit for me, roocode cant apply diffs correctly and it has to rewrite the entire file
fractalcomputer: Are you purposefully writing in a style Altman can understand?
3ds0662: its not because llms are actually bad, the meta research team is so inept its impossible for them to get up to date and compete with the research teams releasing now


.0xunkn0wn: less than 1 year away from agi
.0xunkn0wn: with this pace we are like
.0xunkn0wn: at least o3 pro idk 😭
sweetievee__33649: why
zoermena: As someone who likes to use deep research I’m very excited for the possibility of having o4 mini on my disposal
sweetievee__33649: what?
spicy.lemonade: this is all new
darkstar0818: benchmarks are released and pro will just be multi-sampling.
spicy.lemonade: lmao
.0xunkn0wn: it might be released for free tier idk
spicy.lemonade: we dont tho
.0xunkn0wn: but
.0xunkn0wn: o4 mini will probably be worse than o3
darkstar0818: It won't.  No need to trust we already know, more or less, what to expect.
spicy.lemonade: o3 full was already super expensive
spicy.lemonade: asf
spicy.lemonade: implies they made o3 full cheap
spicy.lemonade: o3 pro
sweetievee__33649: my friends are done for
spicy.lemonade: trust
spicy.lemonade: it will be
.0xunkn0wn: 😨 😨 😨
.0xunkn0wn: GUYS
.0xunkn0wn: GUYS
sweetievee__33649: i just dont tell anyone i find ai fascinating because i get looked at like i just admitted to double homicide
darkstar0818: its doubtful o3/o3pro/o4-mini will be significantly superior, if at all, to models that are out at the same time and likely for much cheaper.  When GPT5 is scheduled (3+ months) from now gemini 3 will be out.
spicy.lemonade: they will see
spicy.lemonade: for believing in singularity
spicy.lemonade: alot of people think im schizo
zoermena: O4 confirmed? Wow
.0xunkn0wn: they gonna believe in singularity lmao
.0xunkn0wn: if this will be fire
sweetievee__33649: better than expected aperntly
.0xunkn0wn: so
.0xunkn0wn: i already converted some anti ai people 😨 😨
.0xunkn0wn: i wonder how good gpt 5 gonna be
sweetievee__33649: i think a good chunk of people will call this agi
sweetievee__33649: that came out of no where
sweetievee__33649: YO WHAT
zoermena: Holy fucking shit wow?


anathemaofmankind: They do realize it's not going away?
anathemaofmankind: I wonder how long these people would continue to seethe
.wolfnacht: MOST HUMANS ARE SOUL'LESS
trent_k: That's a skill issue then
trent_k: When us codecels get automated I'm gonna become a cop. I'll be shooting tear gas canisters at your mom's head while she's protesting in favor of commie bullshit like "I'm hungry and my teeth hurt"
anathemaofmankind: THIS CODE IS SOULLESS
gamerbath: programming isn't an art form. I don't appreciate anything when I look at my code
anathemaofmankind: And then programmers will mald instead of artists
anathemaofmankind: One day, AI will become better than all programmers
trent_k: > STOP HAVING FUN <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>
gamerbath: but that's just art
gamerbath: looking at a hyperrealistic drawing made by a human is much cooler than looking at one from 4o, even if they look the same
gamerbath: aside from that, he's right
anathemaofmankind: People who like AI art are "little piggies" now apparently
anathemaofmankind: Doesn't AlphaZero use the same thing as Go?
alejandrozarzuelo: We cannot remember billions of chess positions

Chess was solved by brute force, not organically like Go
anathemaofmankind: Also this is a weird thing to say when we can remember more than computers?
anathemaofmankind: So I suppose it's understandable that people back then thought art wasn't going to be automated.

Because computers don't posses "emotions"
.wolfnacht: The processed foods we consume daily is slop! bcz it's all processed by machines (and managed by humans) because someone's not working 15 hrs a day in bakery.
anathemaofmankind: Humans are generally better at a bunch of things more than computers and vice versa
alejandrozarzuelo: Chess is only a "fun" game to play because we have the memory of a goldfish
alejandrozarzuelo: If we had a great memory, chess would be trivial
alejandrozarzuelo: That's just because humans don't have that much memory
anathemaofmankind: Being a chess grandmaster is harder than making passable art for humans.

The former got solved years in advance
anathemaofmankind: I, Robot
alejandrozarzuelo: Hard things are hard and easy things are easy
alejandrozarzuelo: Turns our6
alejandrozarzuelo: Human exceptionalism
futurist_wizard: hense my statement
futurist_wizard: how many people in the past thought robots would be doing manual labour first before art if ever because creating art required creativity that AI didn't or couldn't possess, i'd say most, even altman
alejandrozarzuelo: "I'm an artist because I know how to capture feelings" dude that's literally therapy
anathemaofmankind: Bruh
alejandrozarzuelo: Like lil Jimmy isn't "Math challenged but doesn't matter becsuse his talent lies in art"

That's like saying his talent lies in breathing
alejandrozarzuelo: If anything we give art too much credit
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, art is what a kid does who "isn't good at school"
alejandrozarzuelo: People have complanied that artists are doing easy stuff for ages
alejandrozarzuelo: No
metaldragon01: Nah, we just had a lot more digital data with art
memlaswaif: but also we just don't have a lot of direct data for how we navigate
memlaswaif: its always the simple things


alejandrozarzuelo: For example, the capitoline hill is as valuable as the entire kamchatka peninsula

This means that using resources from kamchatka to improve the capitoline will be worth it
futurist_wizard: For 95% of things
futurist_wizard: But what are you gaining from the valuation if you ever decide to payout? Money just doesn't mean shit post singularity
alejandrozarzuelo: Value exists beyond capitalism
alejandrozarzuelo: Just because it's valuable doeanr mean that capitalism will remain
futurist_wizard: Land to trade land with?
alejandrozarzuelo: Probably the oldest places of land that has continuously been in high demand for centuries is the capitoline hill in Rome
futurist_wizard: To trade for what?
alejandrozarzuelo: Land depends on desirability
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
wellmeaningalien: i mean it kinda depends but physical space will probably always be required
wellmeaningalien: yea after the singularity happens i sure hope the economy is intact
alejandrozarzuelo: Which I cluses all natural resources
alejandrozarzuelo: Land will remain valuable, and by land I mean the economic concept of land
alejandrozarzuelo: Land can not be created
technocake.: slow takeoff i lose my swe job and am destitute for years until it kicks off
futurist_wizard: Except for trading land, to trade what for idk
futurist_wizard: Also post singularity what would you even be bargaining for? If there's a nano particle reassembler you could have whatever you want and money would be virtually worthless
theaiguy69420_89814: But smart questions it's really good
theaiguy69420_89814: I'd you ask super dumb questions it returns nonsense
theaiguy69420_89814: Check this out
technocake.: exactly, the rules will fundamentally change
futurist_wizard: Worrying about investments is like a agi worry
futurist_wizard: It also depends on how you envision da world post singularity, some time after singularity years decades whatever, i envision everyone mind uploading, turning earth or mars or whatever into a giant computer
technocake.: ¬> low value land singularity, default for no loss and live in infinite prodduct bliss anyway
technocake.: my reasoning is -> high value land singularity, quids in
zoermena: Any land is good imo.
futurist_wizard: If that is your actual reasoning
futurist_wizard: You'd be better off just buying farm land
futurist_wizard: Post singularity the amount of efficiency we could get in a smaller and smaller area, it would almost certainly devalue
zoermena: I think that earth land would be extremely valuable just because it's on "earth" relative to whatever other planets we might colonize/terraform
technocake.: either way, i can just deffault for no loss
futurist_wizard: Or it could be much less
technocake.: esp on earth
technocake.: I expect land and space to have high value post singularity
zoermena: Because you would have somewhere to live, something that is truly yours legally.
futurist_wizard: Why would a house be a safety net accounting for the singularity
zoermena: I'd imagine you'd buy a house beyond it's investment value accounting for Singularity it could be more of a safety net.
technocake.: cheaper than my current rental with many benefits
futurist_wizard: You'd be better off renting and chucking that money into etfs


czdct: 🤣
czdct:
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I saw that
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the David analysis is good enough for me
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>
nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> You should read it and make your own mind up. Don’t just repeat what other have said
nondescriptfaith: David seems a little motivated to dislike this. I think doomer pointer crowd has knee jerk reactions to anyone who dares utter the phrase ‘ex-risk’.
memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: post-ayahuasca David is alright
memlaswaif: I don't trust one word that comes out of David shapiro
memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: David read it for me
https://fixupx.com/DaveShapi/status/1908301328951959887
nondescriptfaith: What does Nietzsche say of this?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I didn't read it
nondescriptfaith: So your issue is the rapidity of the timeline they suggest, not the claims they make?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: no I'm talking about AI 2027
nondescriptfaith: You believe there is no reason to think AI might be dangerous?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: if there's no reason to believe it's dangerous you can't claim it is
nondescriptfaith: Is haste normally coincident with safety in your experience?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: It makes the baseline assumption that "fast AI is dangerous AI"
nondescriptfaith: Why is it ‘doomer’? God that word gets thrown around these days
brain4brain: Quasar 🌟
brain4brain: https://x.com/vitrupo/status/1908140678510469545?s=61
_cloudost: Must be your evil twin/clone then
retrerox: didnt do shit
retrerox: I grabbed some random Bnw draw from twitter and ask chat gpt to add color on it
czdct: also what's with all the dumb metaphors? why doesn't he just get straight to the point?
czdct: calling gpt 2 and gpt 3 the same thing essentially with the only difference being the scale should tell you enough about this guy's knowledge on how LLM's work
fractalcomputer: (I am not affiliated with this channel despite the similar names.)
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/gary-marcus-yann-lecun-lecun-ai-machine-learning-gif-9041590723446061255
_cloudost: r/technology r/futurology had plenty of viral posts of AI hitting a wall before o1 was introduced, and then 2 months ago again these communities said the same thing when Deepseek was released as if it was an outstanding model
brain4brain: From pre-school to colleges student level
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: how much better is gpt o1 over the original gpt 3.5?
brain4brain: Recursive self improvement
brain4brain: That’s what people have predicted
okbut: I've been wondering, wouldn't an AGI/ASI be capable of generating its pwn frameworks/architectures tailored specifically for its own implementation to be extremely token efficient?
spicy.lemonade: Bunch of people
a1c4p0ne: who were the people saying that?
destrucules: For next time
destrucules: I think it's important we remember just how wrong that was


st.sioux: he went to gay orgies
connorsphone.: Trump was born to be a drag queen something went wrong in the timeline
maintcrew: he grew up in new york celebrity scene the chance he actually did is non zero 💀
professorheaven:
connorsphone.: Yasss queen slay
hikukomoru: Trump is such a queen
It's the only thing about him I like
hey1_1hey: Can you make someone suck his finger now
hikukomoru: Zesty mf
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Projection
777agical: Oh, why is their image editing so bad then <:catcry:1187466366006087862>
hikukomoru: Head empty
Only think AI pussy
hey1_1hey: People I know barley think to begin with an they have the nerve to say AI isn't reaonsing
maintcrew: everything's computer
hikukomoru: You're right
I'm not thinking
ailoveyoom: Wrong
professorheaven: It does
hey1_1hey: No SAXEMs test yet <:catcry:1187466366006087862>. I wanna see my elon musk x sam altman smut
hikukomoru: Everything's thinking
777agical: nope
ailoveyoom: Oh lol my bad 💀
professorheaven: Grok
ailoveyoom: What's the other one?
professorheaven: Now there’s 3 big models that all have native image gen
spicy.lemonade: kk
st.sioux: the duality of autistic
spicy.lemonade: ah
maintcrew: yep aistudio.google.com
spicy.lemonade: they didnt specify
drewsni: every model from today forward is thinking
spicy.lemonade: is it?
ailoveyoom: The model always thinks tho
maintcrew: nah 2.5 is thinking
spicy.lemonade: THATS NON THINKING
spicy.lemonade: WAIT
hey1_1hey: Whats this talk about exponent- WHATEVER it doesn't matter. I knew AI was a fad
maintcrew: sama is waiting for google to release something and google needs to go through a morbillion compliance and environmental review paperwork
hikukomoru: No DeepSeek release
It's over
China lost
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-depressed-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-depressed-gif-6943075901738095231
connorsphone.: What’s taking so long


3ds0662: he was talking sooo much shit and glazing himself as a top expert I see now why he hates llms
3ds0662: lecun is a fraud all he can do is tweet about his political opinion and hate for trump and elon but what does that do when you can't even release a good model
futurist_wizard: I studied film, literally over
3ds0662: it failed soo many benchmarks when tested by individual users the model is 3.2 level of intelligence smh
futurist_wizard: The most important degree to study is travel and tourism
3ds0662: same as well 😭
3ds0662: the latest news on llama 4 is very very disappointing
fractalcomputer: (I have sacrificed approximately 3 ethicists to Nyarlathotep in the past two days.)
fractalcomputer: Another day, another [dumb career choice] thrown off a cliff.
zonchao: Yann "I will not use X" Lecun
hikukomoru: >Yann LeCun reposted
Holy based
zonchao: he keeps coming back 😭
wellmeaningalien: yeah using metrics like lmarena elo?
wellmeaningalien: no fucking idea dude
wellmeaningalien: yep facts o3-min is absolutely retared here and it shows
gamerbath: in all the benchmarks I have seen that include cost comparisons, maverick and scout don't look bad
wellmeaningalien: thats why needle in a haystack is shit lol
wellmeaningalien: both maverick and scout are absolutely ready for release
wellmeaningalien: no he was talking about the bigger model "behemoth"
drewsni:
drewsni: <@750270494615404544> are we back??????
.wolfnacht: 10M (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
.wolfnacht: came here to post the same...
_cloudost: Need
_cloudost: I di
futurist_wizard: No you don't
_cloudost: NEED VEO 2...
......
...
gamerbath: didn't Zuck say llama 4 was still in training? I guess he was talking about the reasoning model
zonchao: https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1908939644630147076? banger
zonchao: no clue, haven't used windsurf
theaiguy69420_89814: is windsurf better? i've been hearing a lot
theaiguy69420_89814: the cursor updates are crazy
zonchao: this retard was sponsored by cursor last week <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: lmao
theaiguy69420_89814: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3_TY4K8hVE doomer alert
drewsni: i also put way more weight in this benchmark as of late because of my experience with gemini 2.5 pro
drewsni: wait what how did they fuck up so badly
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/gucciberg-gif-22753941
wellmeaningalien: its llamover. we're qwenback
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 is a failed training run <a:facepalm:1224737123911995542>


trojan09205: getting GPT to make images based on your own picture is a weird kind of satisfying
.wolfnacht: of course.
bob082957: https://www.youtube.com/live/FcjaWK9-BEU?si=_a9L7YlaSgqgoMSw
aero447:
aero447: 2027:
zoermena: 2027 will come fast
.wolfnacht: Also, honorable mention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cOEvpMJu0Q
brain4brain: This turns out to be more accurate than I anticipated
literallyvarane: That’s literally not R2
metaldragon01: There's a new model out. Math
brain4brain: Lmao really? I say it as a joke but those people are crazy
literallyvarane: It’s a Chinese lab. Color we much more skeptical that we get reliable leaks from them.
brain4brain: The half life schizoid believe half-life 3 will be released in 2027
.wolfnacht: i saw that one too a month, on conspiracy sub, someone said the covid will come back
literallyvarane: Are there actually R2 leaks? This feels like the hype machine guessing tbh.
xskydragon0: Even with ASI, GTA-6 will not be released in 2027, maybe in 2033 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
brain4brain: The people stuck in 2020 culture think we will have zombie virus COVID-2.0 (Covid-27) by 2027
.wolfnacht:
brain4brain: Artificial super intelligence
.wolfnacht: The gnostics believe that 2027 is the timeline when Anti-christ will arrive
vancebeliever: that would be like gemini 6 pro?
vancebeliever: like what do you think you have in 2027 that is dramatically different from what we have now
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457
brain4brain: The anime schizoid believe 2027 is when the third impact will happen irl

The gamers believe GTA-6 will be delayed and finally release in 2027
.wolfnacht: add this to your list too:

The spirituality, astrology and starseed schizo's believe 2027 is the year earth will go through a 5D shift unlocking hoomanity potential.
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584
brain4brain: SF Bay Area researcher believe AGI/ ASI will arrive in 2027 and leads to the singularity

Catholic believe judgement day will happen in 2027 during the reign of the last pope

Jewish have a 6000 years countdown to a messiah and a heaven with alternative calculations it will arrive in 2027

The UFO schizoid on twitter believe alien will make an arrival and first contact to humanity in 2027

The politics schizoid believe the Chinese will invade Taiwan in 2027 and lead to WW3

The schizoid schizoid believe the world order will reset in 2027 to prevent the Chinese century from happening

The climate schizoid believe the climate clock will run out in 2027
metaldragon01: Then maybe you should look harder
vancebeliever: I think i need to see them make money with agents first before i believe in that stuff
vancebeliever: but thats kind of it you know
vancebeliever: i dont think there is anything stopping you from making the models better
.wolfnacht: AGI and ASI is Cancelled, go back and play super mario kart.
gamerbath: the current paradigm is changing all the time, like with o1 reasoning, mixture of experts, and tons of other optimizations
metaldragon01: What roadblocks are you assuming we have?
vancebeliever: can someone tell me an actual path to superintelligence that is plausible with the current paradigm
3ds0662: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1917307883886178347
alejandrozarzuelo: But of course it's not R2
alejandrozarzuelo: The Math model seems quite good
3ds0662: an hour or 2


drewsni: As in I gave it coordinates and what it generated was the actual street and most the buildings
wellmeaningalien: lol its funny how all other image gen models' subs are completely invaded by the mighty gpt 4o
spicy.lemonade: too polished
spicy.lemonade: not realistic enough tho
drewsni: 4o correctly guessed this location btw
.wolfnacht: can someone make a ghibli version of this ?
.wolfnacht: michael's our guy
.wolfnacht: lmao, but kudos to who painted it
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: thats real
wellmeaningalien: sigh
.wolfnacht: can someone tell if this's AI or real ?
wellmeaningalien: you know i wonder how much of gpt 4o's image gen capabilities come from it being like 10x larger than the largest image diffusion models currently available
ailoveyoom: Smol model 🥺🙏
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: nah this is real
.wolfnacht: lmao
spicy.lemonade: cant  tell if this is real or ai
wellmeaningalien: <:this:1136266732542119946>
wellmeaningalien: i wonder how it'd go with 4o
wellmeaningalien: gemini is a little bit retarded and it turns image into nightmare satan smegma slop if u ask it to generate too much
drewsni: 4o is agi btw
.wolfnacht:
wellmeaningalien: where you ask it to generate a sketch and then add detail and then clean up and ink and color and shade
wellmeaningalien: someone should try the gemini thing
spicy.lemonade: its just a prank bro
spicy.lemonade:
numbah_1_nig: 😭 🤣
numbah_1_nig: sounds like a bad porno
numbah_1_nig: the funniest part is the name gemini gave to the conversation
numbah_1_nig: OpenAI well ahead of the pack
numbah_1_nig: also idk what's up with the popeye arms lmao
numbah_1_nig: the boy looks like a mini drug dealer, and in the last panel the mechanic's arms pierce through another mechanic....?
spicy.lemonade: bruh
numbah_1_nig: gemini's attempt 💀💀
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: it even aded the peaking eyes in the back
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Yeah, Gemmy got pretty close
spicy.lemonade: gemini can do that


plouwg: It is very good obviously. But the "prism" tag is pointing at the colors, not the Prism lol.
hikukomoru: He's poor
zoermena: Why
hey1_1hey: I would love to, sadly I do not have access
zoermena: You made those? <@88481490228228096>
hikukomoru: Make a mushroom person please 🙏
hey1_1hey: This is what tipped my friend over the edge 🙏
drewsni: check out these
st.sioux: me
wellmeaningalien: np
wellmeaningalien: second one is great even tho its a bit generic anime style
hey1_1hey: Ty Hysminea
wellmeaningalien: first ai you can use for graphic design like sama says
drewsni:
wellmeaningalien: it might actually be effective for such a task
spicy.lemonade: im nuting too much
zoermena: I want to try it to use media assets
wellmeaningalien: what the fuck
wellmeaningalien: <:dalle_check:1177048566351540264>
wellmeaningalien: it says a lot about the market
zoermena: That´s a great slide
glockerz: I will try it for sure
hikukomoru: Goodbye artists 🔥 🙏
glockerz: Can it access to my workspace for instance ? or do I have to share files 1 by 1 ?
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: Use their AI studio website
spicy.lemonade: its perfect
zoermena: This is very good.
spicy.lemonade: newtons prism
spicy.lemonade: THE DIAGRAM
spicy.lemonade: HOLY FUCKING SHIT
wellmeaningalien:
destrucules: Yeah it's strong
zoermena: I´m the only Mexican with plus.
a1c4p0ne: Have you tested it
maintcrew: i dont know man im not mexican i cant help you
zoermena: Like I can see images.
zoermena: Thanks for remembering, it´s weird because I have the tab in my sora dashboard, still true?
wellmeaningalien: ohh i see
destrucules: Gemini 2.5 Pro is currently the strongest publicly available model in the world apart from o3 (DeepResearch)


spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
shirethedreamer: i have no idea why you guys keep engaging
spicy.lemonade: got it
spicy.lemonade: so youre not in one
czdct: that would be so dumb
spicy.lemonade: mostly years of scale
czdct: lol
czdct: I can't tell, don't want to doxx myself
spicy.lemonade: anyway ilya has had alot more to back up his claims
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> what technicaly feild are you in again
spicy.lemonade: That would be dumb
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Uh yeah
czdct: can't link it though since I don't wanna dox myself
spicy.lemonade: Ldg only one on this server that knows
czdct: It was cited by wall street journal and the new york times
spicy.lemonade:
czdct: I published a paper on cancer therapy and the implementation of nanotechnology in fighting tumors in brain cells.
czdct: oh ok
spicy.lemonade: wont doxx lmao
shirethedreamer: dont doxx yourself for an internet argument with a person you wont remember tomorrow...
czdct: wanna read it
czdct: link
spicy.lemonade: cited on wikipedia
spicy.lemonade: I*
spicy.lemonade: im an eecs major at berkeley and u published fusion research
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454
czdct: you can believe that if it makes you feel better
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: i do
czdct: I'm sure you do
spicy.lemonade: clearly you dont work in an intellectual field
spicy.lemonade: dumb response
shirethedreamer: lmao thats the level i was expecting tbh
spicy.lemonade: deepmind tested their model the day the competition released
czdct: MUUHHH OLYMPIAAAAAAAAAAD
spicy.lemonade: cope
czdct: https://tenor.com/view/bahura-gif-25712390
spicy.lemonade: its been held for how long
shirethedreamer: big math


spicy.lemonade: like hw
spicy.lemonade: just cheat so you dont have to do busy work
spicy.lemonade: never cheat on anything high risk as tests
spicy.lemonade: getting caught is crazy
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/smh-eyeroll-gif-5637372828311539729
fractalcomputer: And you got caught?
alejandrozarzuelo: well one time but that doesnt count
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean ive never gotten caught lol
fractalcomputer: I know, I remembered this only after the fact.
alejandrozarzuelo: spicy is an american
spicy.lemonade: 💀
fractalcomputer: Apparently Western Europeans are all profoundly retarded.
spicy.lemonade: got 92% midterm
spicy.lemonade: works
memlaswaif: U did iirc
spicy.lemonade: ngl sometimes i procrastinate on my cs hw and use ai to do it. so i functionally only have to study for exams💀
alejandrozarzuelo: did I ever say I was good at it? haha
alejandrozarzuelo: it does help, sure, but not that much
alejandrozarzuelo: in fact cheating has a very limited ability to help you here
alejandrozarzuelo: but AI isnt useful with my type of exams
alejandrozarzuelo: we all share our tips later after the exam
alejandrozarzuelo: ah yes
spicy.lemonade: everyone cheats. exept some very uptight students
alejandrozarzuelo: real to what?
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/farnsworth-futurama-gif-5319799
spicy.lemonade: real
memlaswaif: u not that good at cheating then
memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
alejandrozarzuelo: like most students, as much as humanly possible, but for that AI doesnt have too much utility, unless you can have acess to it easily as you'd need to type the problem etc etc

if i cheat its the old school way of formulas etc etc haha, like everyone else
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: damn bro its not that serious
alejandrozarzuelo: saying: damn this new android can lift weights very well doesnt mean that I am using it to lift weight at the gym
memlaswaif: I thought u cheated on ure exams
alejandrozarzuelo: 1) the reason why I think higher Ed is useful is because it's like a gym, you exercise without any practical goal (you aren't separating grain from straw for example), and sure you could do it on your own but it gives you a structure

But this has nothing to do with my comments on Gemini 2.5???

I just said that it does my homework very well, which is a statement on the same level of "it completes the Math olimpiad problems masterfully"

It is a testament to the capabilities of this AI model, which I've just now tested myself, it has nothing to do with using AI to do my homework

Mainly because it's not very useful when I have to actually learn the material for the exam
fractalcomputer: Refer to above.
alejandrozarzuelo: What part of this is shameless?
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
fractalcomputer: Waste of public resources.
fractalcomputer: I mean, you're the one endlessly blithering about the usefulness of continuing to pursue higher education even in a thoroughly automated world, and here you are, using Gemini of all things to do your work for you.
memlaswaif: right because they won't be able to tell the difference


spicy.lemonade: Framing has never failed me
a1c4p0ne: I’m up for the day
spicy.lemonade: I got a 100% on test and 18 points extra credit
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/gamler-gambler-gambling-niels-neisl-gif-5534470329269101956
wellmeaningalien: just make sure to wake up
wellmeaningalien: cooked
spicy.lemonade: Sem
spicy.lemonade: All dem
.wolfnacht: More weeks
spicy.lemonade: I haven’t gone to a single lecture
st.sioux: and dont drink 4 cans of espresso before the exam or you will turbocrash
spicy.lemonade: And I score really well
spicy.lemonade: I never go to lectures and I cram the night before
a1c4p0ne: I just won 3 blackjack hands and got all my money back +1350 <@458069236825194506>
wellmeaningalien: buddy oh chum you BETTER use them and stop procrastinating
.histic: next week it is.
spicy.lemonade: This worked out for me in the end
spicy.lemonade: Hooray
spicy.lemonade: And I get more days to study for midterm
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/forced-to-play-gif-20710116
wellmeaningalien: congrats lil bro
.wolfnacht: https://x.com/OpenRouterAI/status/1910412926994854274
brain4brain: Now, AGI 2025 shall also happen
brain4brain: They all thought I was schizo when I said Quasar
brain4brain:
joaoluz19: Infinity context about you
joaoluz19: Memory is HUGE
futurist_wizard: Why
joaoluz19: A big day for waifuism
spicy.lemonade: DOCTORS NOTE SUCESSFUL
futurist_wizard: I have never seen the jetsons
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: and then it turned out they were like openai or gemini
wellmeaningalien: pretty sure someone already tried once or twice to claim a stealth model as their own
.histic: <@848793071579693107> is a prophet.
futurist_wizard: Wtf is quasar
.wolfnacht: also
futurist_wizard:
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/knightrider7880-no-sex-no-for-you-no-sex-for-you-gif-7355115843412676284
.wolfnacht: no, filters


hikukomoru: Anime girl squeal sound
brain4brain: Would you guys say Gemini-2.5-pro is college student level or PhD level, and would you say o3 is college level or PhD level?
st.sioux: eeek
futurist_wizard: I have a thing for gingers
hikukomoru: 60s femboy 🥵
futurist_wizard: It made her face worse
.wolfnacht: nah this one's more
futurist_wizard: Bottom right is hot
.wolfnacht: bro really tried to look like 60s ads
futurist_wizard: Fuck o3
futurist_wizard: I do not tink the visual intelligence has increased
hikukomoru:
zoermena: Yes
hikukomoru: Why didn't the pizza guy just take a plane to deliver my pizza? Is he stupid?
zoermena: I actually was an idiot and put my first delivery on the wrong address so I payed twice for the pizza. In theory that could’ve been for you but you live on the other side of the world.
hikukomoru: You didn't get me any
what a shame
futurist_wizard: At least it can generate wacky images
futurist_wizard: Doomer era
futurist_wizard: Wow it's fucked it up already
zoermena: I also ended up getting pizza
hikukomoru: Much cuter 👍
Carl-bot#1536:
zoermena: I finally found a good prompt and improved my profile picture <@505313122802728972>
futurist_wizard: My own benchmark
futurist_wizard: I will do a previous test to see if o3 is much smarter than o1
zoermena: 200k IIRC
rayanquitplayin: True
himekokatagiri: Because then you break the internet
rayanquitplayin: Soo why doesn’t Google privatize their search data? Then AI companies couldn’t use their data to train their ai models
himekokatagiri: Googles strongest soldier just DESTROYED mid journey
futurist_wizard: I genuinely think its cute, its like watching a little goblin solve a puzzle
futurist_wizard: I like how you can see how o3 thinks
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: it works p wel lfor me
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: the same amount as google gemini and idk if it works or hallucinating
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: roughly
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: i put in lik e256k tokens
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: do u know the token input limit of gpt o3
icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: heyguys
hikukomoru: Horrifying face
Carl-bot#1536:


hey1_1hey: It wouldn't supprise me if Zon is a gay trans black oppressed girlboss
st.sioux: you could literally make your ui if you wanted to
.wolfnacht: dats fine lol
hikukomoru: Smh another DEI hire like Zon
futurist_wizard: She doesn't like them
.wolfnacht: yea why
hey1_1hey: Ignorance is bliss to them it seems. I have told them its *bad*. Like really *bad* but a majority of people do it in my class so its normal
hikukomoru: Are you Asian
futurist_wizard: I am very giddy today
liberatedpotato: Ollama and open-webUI*
liberatedpotato: For me the UX/UI is a bit more important than the quality of the model
so for now even tho I have ollama installed I mainly use chatGPT...
For image generation tho, open source is the only way lol
hey1_1hey: I am happy every day knowing I dont have that kind of attention span
futurist_wizard: They should die
.wolfnacht: that guy looks like me, but without glasses.
hey1_1hey: Theres people ik irl that can't do their work without watching a new tiktok video every 20-30 seconds
futurist_wizard:
.histic: it's like 4o's personality on steroids.
.histic: maybe too much
.histic: i'm using LLama Maverick on lmsys and damn it's so conversational.
hey1_1hey: God forbid you haver ADHD/ADD and you use it
futurist_wizard: And if you have it you should be arrested
futurist_wizard: Tik tok is brain poison
hey1_1hey: Tiktok is like rat poisen ngl
_cloudost: and they get so triggered when i say thats not true
st.sioux: your problem is using tiktok bro
_cloudost: on tiktok some still believe deepseek is better than all AI MODELS FROM THE US
.histic: makes sense
.histic: short attention span
st.sioux: beijing style
spicy.lemonade: wazzup beijing
st.sioux: he doesnt see you as people
hikukomoru: I’m literally right here bitch
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474
spicy.lemonade: im pro ccp
_cloudost: they are al silent
hey1_1hey: I love 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳
_cloudost: tiktok and some me,bees here were very pro ccp because of deepseek
.wolfnacht: a 72b is already like the whole summary of internet.
hey1_1hey: True ig
futurist_wizard: It won't work


fractalcomputer: I'm making a very specific statement about the epistemological nature of mathematics.
_3sphere: I guess? I'm not in the mood to poke around how we can claim to know anything at all 😭
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't necessarily argue that mathematical models *explain* anything; from the way I see it, mathematical statements are only ever assertory statements.
_3sphere: What if time is a [long line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_line_(topology))
_3sphere: I see no fundamental issue with actual infinities existing. Numbers and infinities are abstractions we use, and just because so far there's nothing we see in reality that's best described with actual infinities, doesn't mean no such thing exists
_3sphere: Eternal universes aren't ruled out either
_3sphere: Can't go any norther
_3sphere: Isn't a completely mathematically sensible explanation that the big bang is like the North pole?
_3sphere: General relativity kinda fucks with time
fractalcomputer: Well, the theists seem to have a rather easy answer to the question.
literallyvarane: But the whole “where did existence start?” Question is difficult to answer under any framework, so the door I think must be left open.
literallyvarane: I guess I don’t find them to be sufficient? Certainly no modern miracle is convincing, and biblical miracles don’t really happen anymore? And in 2025 you really need to see them happen first hand.

But more broadly I don’t think miracles are necessarily the bar, which again, is why I’m not really able to name specific evidence.
_3sphere: autocorrect smfh 😭
_3sphere: Ontological
fractalcomputer: Certainly.
fractalcomputer: I know, I'm just curious why you'd use such a similar line of reasoning.
_3sphere: There's also a pretty wide gap between what you get from oncological argument stuff and the detailed specific religions people believe
fractalcomputer: That'll surely be fun. I think it's a good idea that the young'uns get exposed to philosophical ideas that they don't get to discover elsewhere.
literallyvarane: I know how this works lololol it’s not like it not familiar with religious beliefs.
_3sphere: Agnostic too
fractalcomputer: Well, many religious people claim to be convinced because of miracles they have themselves witnessed; and are vehemently convinced that what they experienced was evidence of the religion of their choosing.
trent_k: I recently started taking my daughter to a 7th day adventist church with my parents. Good to have community and the historical bits they cover are very interesting. I like hearing about old timey slavery
literallyvarane: Which is memes trust me I know.
literallyvarane: I don’t know really. You’d know it when you see it I guess?
trent_k: I'd say I'm more agnostic. No religion makes a very convincing case to me but atheism has too many holes in it too, and also requires a similar type of religious faith regarding some things I can't see
literallyvarane: I’m not intensely anti-religion though. It does plenty of people good throughout their lives.
fractalcomputer: What would constitute evidence in your eyes? I do not think that all modern theistic religions all rely on a single, central claim.
literallyvarane: I probably agnostic I think? I wouldn’t say I’m explicitly atheist, I just don’t think there’s meaningful evidence to support the claim.
fractalcomputer: Trent, you're getting pulled in as well. Do you consider yourself an atheist?
trent_k: "By Mac Book, Siri Jobs and Chip Cook" hahaha
fractalcomputer: Varane, are you an atheist?
literallyvarane: It’s honestly unclear if that photo is even fully AI? It’s like the background got a filter, then the people got 1:1 replaced.
fractalcomputer: Antitheism is an ethical position, after all; I'd like to hear your justification against theism and religions in general.
fractalcomputer: An interesting position. Two queries; how knowledgeable are you with natural philosophy and the mathematics of physics, and why are you an anti-theist?
_cloudost: GOD IS SO FAKE
_cloudost: Then atheist
_cloudost: I'm Anti-theist first
fractalcomputer: Cloudo, would you consider yourself an atheist?
_cloudost: Took humans 200k years to be at this point, if ASI were here today it would build a civilization that's far bigger than today's, in 6 months
_cloudost: Dude, I freaking love this technology. Fuck these boring luddite antis that want to ruin everything.


fuhulootogan: uhh
fractalcomputer: Well, that's odd. Because I am a eunuch geek, from what I've heard.
technocake.: Anyone who subscribes to science in general is well aware of the assumptions you have to make to have it be an effective world model, I think this is what pisses Alejandro off
fractalcomputer: It is a polite way of saying that you can always just not be here if you do not like the place.
zonchao: no
fuhulootogan: but thank you
fuhulootogan: what a superfluous reminder
fuhulootogan: i think i was always welcome
fractalcomputer: Zon, do you find me disagreeable?
zonchao: <a:mhm:1277135886320009316>
_cloudost: Hi jgudy
fuhulootogan: ahout what
technocake.:
fractalcomputer: Then you are welcome to leave.
fuhulootogan: i think first hand i had bad impressions as well
fractalcomputer: I'm not sure the other active members here would agree.
fuhulootogan: he probably also thinks you're a eunuch geek
fuhulootogan: alejandro has been here for more than a year and he has a bad impression of you as well
fuhulootogan: but i have reinforced defense for thinking that you are indeed a eunuch geek
fuhulootogan: nothing makes me think that if i took my time with you my judgement towards you would change
fractalcomputer: That you are rather hasty to make judgments of character?
fuhulootogan: if i'm new and i think you're a eunuch geek then that may say something
fractalcomputer: Bit of a dramatic way to announce that you are not going to participate in a conversation.
fractalcomputer: Your loss, methinks.
technocake.: This guy is the new jgudy
fractalcomputer: You've only today chosen to mark your presence here and now you're calling me a eunuch?
fuhulootogan: i wouldn't be surprised if it was so
alejandrozarzuelo: its weird how this conversation, that i like to have with my pure math anti science friend, becomes so unbearable with someone like you, i cant stand having a conversation where you participate

if you excuse me, i will not continue the conversation
fuhulootogan: probably castrated as well
fuhulootogan: yeah he's a geek
fractalcomputer: And if it is the way things are, how do inductive probabilities give any insight into the way things are?
fractalcomputer: What is truth, Alejandro? Is it the way things are?
alejandrozarzuelo: but i dont want to have this conversation, specially with you
fractalcomputer: How?
alejandrozarzuelo: yes
fractalcomputer: Does replication have any impact on the veridicality of knowledge?
alejandrozarzuelo: I am only one human, science is a collaborative effort, you cant trust your senses

if replicated by others and quantified, sure
alejandrozarzuelo: what we understand as learing is a complex topic

Learning must encompass what humans, non human animals, plants and all other life forms do, to not have an anthropocentric view of the concept

under a generous definition, we can say that AI changes its internal state when given information, which could be applied to all life

even non alive non AI systems are said to learn when they exhibit this property too
fractalcomputer: If I performed a dozen miracles of healing and other such things, as witnessed by you, would you trust whatever metaphysical baggage I push your way?
fuhulootogan: I've already answered it by saying "don't know"


hey1_1hey: No epstien tho?
hey1_1hey: I can't feel sad right now. I gotta autism happiness going on rn so you could prob tell me something horrible and I'd still be chilling
trent_k: get owned
trent_k: ted is rolling in his grave
trent_k: 😂
aero447: The comments.
hey1_1hey: Sadly "mushrooms" are just seen as fly agarics since they are the most recognisable ones and they are fairy tail like
aero447: Lmao.
aero447: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistHate/comments/1jl884m/hayao_miyazaki_who_said_ai_is_insult_to_life/
hey1_1hey: Its just so peak oh my god. If it did anything other than the fly agaric mushroom I think I'd prob start doing jumping jacks out of exicement
.histic: kinda buggy
.histic: multiple tabs lol
.histic:
hey1_1hey: Do continue, how?
.histic: i just realized you can generate two images at the same time
hey1_1hey: Hey I'd watch it is all Im saying
futurist_wizard: The last Ghibli
trent_k: this goes hard as fuck 🤘
hey1_1hey: This would go hard as a movie poster <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148
.histic:
hey1_1hey: Tf are they doing in the back? Feeding it straight computarian or smth
hey1_1hey: I was just watching some of mike istratels and he has really renewed my optimistic mind. I thought I was optimistic but he is REALLY optimistic. He said something that really resonated with me, "if I told you in you in 2021 that in 3 years (2024) AI would be passing the turing test convincgily what would you have told me. You would've probably told me I was fucking crazy but yet here we are and its just normal"
777agical: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1905340075225043057
.histic: you have plus?
wellmeaningalien: nope
wellmeaningalien: lemme see
.histic: do you've access to 4o's img gen?
wellmeaningalien: sad
trent_k: 🤷♂
trent_k: it doesnt output in the right shapes anyway
wellmeaningalien: do it on sora website
.histic:
trent_k: it did not work
joaoluz19: LMAO
trent_k: i dont know if this res is supported.
trent_k: 🤔
trent_k: gonna try getting it to do altman
playstation.6: https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-infowars-chew-jew-jewish-gif-12295419607760287413
hey1_1hey: When I saw those images I got giddy, then I saw the response and I died a little


futurist_wizard: 'We' don't die, our continuation of consciousness lives, but our cells die
technocake.: you are not the same you as you think you were a few years ago, it just feels that way to you due to subjective continaity
futurist_wizard: You mean the cells in our body?
technocake.: even living you slowly die and are replaced
technocake.: any other interpretation is cope
hey1_1hey: You're homosexual so you don't have an opinion
realelonmuskx: so the bible says earth was created 6000 years ago and humans on the 6th day? dinosaurs were fake? and it also says it created plants before the sun wtf inconsistent af
hey1_1hey: The best I've gotton out of people on why they don't want to be biologically immoirtal is that "death is natural"
hikukomoru: >Your dad jokes me hurt a lil inside
Next time, learn how to talk before you speak
futurist_wizard: I don't think mind uploading kills you
hey1_1hey: Right weirdos if you ask me
technocake.: just the same as uploading
futurist_wizard: Anything to justify the existence of life after death
futurist_wizard: It's just death denialism
hey1_1hey: Your dad jokes me hurt a lil inside
hikukomoru: I don't think there's anyone named Christian here
technocake.: jehova about to be obsolete
hey1_1hey: Are God is real and based aswell
technocake.: we are literally building god
hey1_1hey: I mean it would make sense but humans are really good at finding loop holes to justify their inservidute to their God
futurist_wizard: Literally defying god or whatever
futurist_wizard: Shouldn't be any
hey1_1hey: I wonder how many christian transhumanists are out there
realelonmuskx: repopulate then
realelonmuskx: any christians here?
futurist_wizard: No, in the political channel i main, they hate Elon, i tried to give some pushback, you know the whole futurism shit
hey1_1hey: When I was at my friends party we were just dogging on Elon musk because every time he is doing something important he looks like he is wizzing of that special K
hikukomoru: Oh so you were one of those redditor Elon simps
hey1_1hey: "ket aura" 😭
futurist_wizard: I went from being an Elon Defender to Hater, oh how i regret my defending
futurist_wizard: I literally hate Elon Musk
futurist_wizard: He's a disgrace
st.sioux: youre just scared of his gigachad alpha sigma ket aura
hikukomoru: He looks so gross
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
futurist_wizard: His presence just reeks of it
futurist_wizard:
zonchao: this is a joke btw
zonchao: https://x.com/HussainSajwani/status/1914363184221237446 FUNDING SECURED FOR GORK
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/hype-dance-excited-lets-go-oh-yeah-gif-17953674


drewsni: https://huggingface.co/spaces/Roblox/cube3d-interactive
zonchao: 100% of the users
zonchao: wrong
trent_k: 5 seconds of amusement and then you never pick it up again
trent_k: It's a toy for 99.9% of users
hikukomoru: WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT OAI
WE GOT GEMINI 2.5 PRO BABYYY
trent_k: Ppl hyped up sora so much but unless you're actively making a ton of videos like what is even the point of it?
ailoveyoom: 😈
ailoveyoom: GPT-3.5 isn't bad. We just have better stuff now
zonchao: xai is a top lab now, they have the talent and funding, they won't be out of the race for a while <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
3ds0662: He came back in black rock style
.0xunkn0wn: 4o image generation woooooo
drewsni: tbh ive not gotten one even decent output out of sora
3ds0662: Elon isn’t out the race just yet
3ds0662: <@704566357743632404> <@430269783112548362> https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/qW9DC8miuF
spicy.lemonade: Sora isnt bad. We just have better stuff now
trent_k: # fuck sora
spicy.lemonade: Would make sense
spicy.lemonade: Been one year since sora
hikukomoru: No we're all evil
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/black-sabbath-war-pigs-generals-gathered-in-their-masses-cat-meme-gif-16029358381598420694
literallyvarane: Experimental
trent_k: No, it's just people leaving the initial "holy shit wow" period as they run into the limitations the models always had. A lot of people seemingly aren't cognizant of the fact they're running into model limitations tho, and think it's the model getting worse from a previous good point
literallyvarane: SORA 2.5 Pro, world model.
ailoveyoom: Sora 1.5 lol
zonchao: but it's not "taking" groks base
st.sioux: idk
st.sioux: thye're probably starting to learn how to actually code and realizing its not as good as they thought it was before
spicy.lemonade: Sora 2 showcase?
zonchao: yes
spicy.lemonade: Wonder why Sora is included
literallyvarane: Counter point. Google already has a meaningful API customer base.
i_like_over_9000_turtles: what lol  some autistic have buddhic hyper morality.
literallyvarane: “Didn’t know you were chill like that”
3ds0662: Yes it used to be able to handle increasing codebase size, agentic search and instruction following much more intelligently.
zonchao: i don't think they have a market overlap, gemini has inactive app users and no integrations with google apps... or they are perpetual beta testing

will have to see when both drop APIs tho
trent_k: At this point the standard process seems to be a big announcement, then a long wait. It could go either way today, being that they quietly announced it 316 days ago
spicy.lemonade: Tru
hikukomoru: No he's just autistic
Autistic people are naturally evil
literallyvarane: Feel like Google and Deepseek are the only companies that make OpenAI actually move.


trojan09205: Have you ever read Yitzhak Bentov fractal?
fractalcomputer: Nirvana just means extinction. Perpetual, inconceivable.
shirethedreamer: one must imagine sisyphus happy
trojan09205: I think it depends on how much your inner judge plays a role in your mental opinions or your interpretation of others’
trojan09205: I was that way for a long time <@430269783112548362> . Was pretty religious and just held onto it very steadfast over a long period of time. But then I saw that a new path was more empowering- and it meant less rigid opinions about nearly everything

Yeah i still have a personality, but I am much more fluid and happy now
fractalcomputer: Some Buddhists do. And that is supposedly fine. But Buddhist doctrine simply states that all such paradisical pleasures will still be temporary *at best*, after which you'll just drop back  in the ranks, to begin the slow and improbable ascent again.
trojan09205: I am not sure I agree. Just me though
shirethedreamer: okay but why not work towards being reborn in a paradise existence?
why not want the good stuff?

instead what they are working towards is just to end it all, the bad and the good
fractalcomputer: It's an end to a beginningless horror.
ailoveyoom: Tbh the opposite problem is probably worse, having so little sense of self that you have no solid opinion you can hold on to 😔
fractalcomputer: You have to consider that according to Buddhism, the cycle of death and rebirth will take you through innumerable aeons of hells and paradises, through eternities of intense pain and something approximating pleasure; to the point where your individual life is nothing but a tiny moment in a beginningless cascade of holocausts, struggles and the occasional, fleeting triumphs—you can be born as an insect or as an animal, here, on Earth, or you could be born as an ever-hungering, ever-thirsting ghost for decamillennia at a time. Surely you'd want to see some calmness, some safe harbour in such a dark maelstrom. Nirvana is simply a release or absolution from that journey.
trojan09205: He had some guy who he beefed with for years
trojan09205: I mean the story of Georg Cantor is an example that comes to mind
shirethedreamer: its pretty much ego death followed by perma death (no more rebirths)
i cant understand why that would be something desirable for anyone
bob082957: AGI is enough
trojan09205: Scientists and mathematicians are especially like this in many cases
trojan09205: Yeah for sure. I think its fine to hold an opinion, but sometimes people put their whole identity into it like you say…and theyre so invested that they feel like they lose their sense of self by acquiescing or backing down later
spicy.lemonade: i know one thing for sure 2027 and 2030 will be insane years
fractalcomputer: Why so?
ailoveyoom: It's why some debates can get heated
ailoveyoom: Don't you think people derive some sense of identity from the opinion they hold? 🤔
trojan09205: Not per se, but at least I am avoiding purgatory 😉
shirethedreamer: always hated the concept
spicy.lemonade: yeah i dont think ASI 2027
shirethedreamer: honestly a pretty solid prediction
2026-2030 for different levels of AGI
(not ASI in 2027 though 💀 )
fractalcomputer: Congratulations, you have found nirvana.
trojan09205: Everyone would be much happier if they wouldnt be married to their fleeting opinions
alejandrozarzuelo: Look, I am not gonna elaborate for the sake of peace, and also because he is the owner of the server, but I think my opinions have been stated clearly
fractalcomputer: I will return to reading Russell.
trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/yup-butt-head-mike-judge-mike-judge%27s-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e11-gif-8103816649828206245
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/shock-omg-wtf-gif-9529399967387625859
ailoveyoom: True, they should try giving head instead 😔
brain4brain: AGI 2025
trojan09205: Im jk bro lol
fractalcomputer: Gasp.
trojan09205: No u
fractalcomputer: Every accusation is a confession, it would seem.
okbut: >AI is the box where my math homework gets solved
trojan09205: When will AIs be able to engineer perfumes/colognes for personal styles. Would be a service to humanity to get rid of some stench
shirethedreamer: you guys are butting heads for several days now 😦


hikukomoru: Agree
I can excuse their shit naming practices since their models are all great
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: google stay winning
wellmeaningalien: nah but google cooking rn fr
wellmeaningalien: bet its gonna be a banger
hikukomoru: Waiting for Gemini 3.0 Pro preview 08-25 Flash Lite Thinking Experimental to drop
retrerox: Pretty impressive
wellmeaningalien: i wonder how a model like this got 1.5% on arc agi 2
wellmeaningalien: while gemini 2.5 pro is now 5 points ahead
wellmeaningalien: also new benchmark refresh makes claude 3.7 sonnet below o3 mini high and o1 high
literallyvarane: v2 experimental
literallyvarane: Max
literallyvarane: I’m sleep until Gemini 3.0 Pro
wellmeaningalien: ouch
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 maverick gets cleared by gemini 2.0 flash, qwen 2.5 max, gpt 4o, deepseek v3 and claude 3.7 sonnet
wellmeaningalien: livebench benchmarks refresh + livebench numbers came out
ldj: Bullish
wellmeaningalien: with test time training layers (learning at test time) by giving hidden layers inside the neural network the ability to learn during output effectively making them neural networks within neural networks it makes the videos much more coherent long term
wellmeaningalien: "In an underwater adventure, Jerry locates a treasure map and searches for the treasure while evading Tom in a chase through coral reefs and kelp forests. Jerry triumphantly discovers treasure inside a shipwreck, blissfully celebrating while Tom's pursuit leads him into trouble with a hungry shark."
wellmeaningalien: this video was generated by 1 single prompt with no splicing whatsoever
metaldragon01: They post gpqa for the 70b so looks like the method scales well
metaldragon01:
metaldragon01: Esp with these new methods that scale ambiguous things like writing quality ect that can generalize
metaldragon01: We are getting close to rapid self improvement pipelines tbh
metaldragon01: They are going to keep upgrading them too
metaldragon01: Same but that 3b absolutely cracked
clevermoniker: if this is real this is a big deal
clevermoniker: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
clevermoniker: 8B at 81 MMLU when the 8B distill is 70?
clevermoniker: wished they also had GPQA score
metaldragon01: Yeaaap
clevermoniker: 72 MMLU at 3B <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
metaldragon01: Both pretty great tbh!
metaldragon01: This feels more impressive to me though
metaldragon01: https://www.deepcogito.com/research/cogito-v1-preview
metaldragon01: Yes
hey1_1hey: Is this real?
hey1_1hey: Yo
hey1_1hey: https://x.com/togethercompute/status/1909697122372378908
metaldragon01: https://thinkingmachines.ai/


thedon7075: if o4 mini performs a lot worse than o3, then we could be seeing the beginning of diminishing returns in this series
.histic: bruh, i just saw that.
i did it & it kept generating me the same chick.
and my memory is disabled.
okbut: Also maybe a SWE agent and others
zoermena: Agreed
zoermena: Speaking of which I saw some minutes ago in r/chatpgt of someone trying a prompt of how your “gf would look like” based on what it knows about you thanks to the memory update. Messed with me a little
callmepyro: Last week they teased it “coming soon”
callmepyro: Google also has 2.5 flash thinking around the corner
thedon7075: so this should be the biggest release of the bunch
thedon7075: so o4 mini could perform similar to o3, whilst being significantly cheaper
thedon7075: o3 mini performs similar to o1
callmepyro: So 2.5 will stay king in cursor
callmepyro: I think o3 will be a little better than 2.5 pro, but it will cost 5x more
thedon7075: yeh!
callmepyro: NEH
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 will remain king or dethroned
thedon7075: this might be the day where something actually happens
thedon7075: o4 mini is coming
okbut: gpt-4.1, gpt-4.1-mini, gpt-4.1-nano, o3, o4-mini
Predicting 5 days of Shipmas
okbut: Crazy that wasn't even a reply on one of his tweets, he just had to stop and type that
st.sioux: goonchat awakened
.histic: how sweet 🥺
.histic: he said he was proud of his son's morning boners
.histic: even his sons
okbut: I thought morning wood was because of circadian rythm (testosterone higher in the morning)
spicy.lemonade: bryan johnson always talking about boners
zonchao: https://x.com/HeidiBriones/status/1911588861937172934?
okbut: It's funny because Bard was one of the first to use Latex
darkstar0818: they will fix the AI, it has nothing to do with the model. Unless it simply hasn't been fine tuned to emit the necessary character codes to trigger the ui element
okbut: / consistently
okbut: Yeah I've yet to even intruct it to do so properly
st.sioux: or do you mean UI rendering
okbut: That's the only reason they wouldn't throw it in yet
st.sioux: its just code
st.sioux: probs not much
okbut: The fact that it can't yet makes me wonder how much it detriments performance
.histic: to write out latex and to render it
.histic: better on the eyes
.histic: just in general
for math, like chatgpt does.
darkstar0818: to contain the spew?
.histic: gemini needs to use latex asap


hey1_1hey: All the messages you've read have been deepfaked
sarik0497: <a:PepeNervous:779370352249798718>
sarik0497: Nothing happening. Just out discussing Open- vs. Closed-source!
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-22114363
hey1_1hey: I wasn't apart of this
joaoluz19: He came
joaoluz19: Sheesh we are cooked guys
sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jivft5/chinas_opensource_embrace_upends_conventional/
fractalcomputer: I heard my name being mentioned.
ailoveyoom: It's out?
hey1_1hey: That would be hell
hey1_1hey: Of 2.5k people...
spicy.lemonade: Gemini 2 pro thinking
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: I second this
hey1_1hey: I blame Komoru for the downfall of scocity
hikukomoru: Group goon sesh 🙏 🔥
joaoluz19: We need a channel just for waifus
sarik0497: I blame Michmach for that grammar mistake. And this one.
joaoluz19: It's joever
sarik0497: So...are we back yet?
hey1_1hey: You're right, we need to do this as a group
spicy.lemonade: Always goon
st.sioux: this is not very singular
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-bozonga-hjjw-saraiva-skibidi-gif-15011026571260862033
sarik0497: Although the way Steven is just sitting there, watching us, scares me.
hey1_1hey: Instant perma bans for everyone in a 200m (message) radius
hey1_1hey: The irony runs deep
sarik0497: ...Imagine if Fractal came online right now
hey1_1hey: You're the last person to be posting this
hey1_1hey: I chant welsh poetry while gooning
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-nevergoon-never-goon-orange-cat-gif-17686207109324907182
futurist_wizard: I don't watch porn
ailoveyoom: Once upon a time... 🥺 😔
ailoveyoom: too
ailoveyoom: Tumblr
ailoveyoom: RedGIFs
hikukomoru: Quick shot
hey1_1hey: For you maybe 💀
futurist_wizard: Porn basically is shortform


himekokatagiri: idk because doxxing is basically googling ad infinitum right
trent_k: ask your preferred deep research tool "find information about Trent Kelly, a resident of Pennsylvania"
trent_k: AI doesnt help because it either follows irrelevant leads or makes shit up completely
himekokatagiri: since AI is the ultimate private investigator
alejandrozarzuelo: You also do know that you can look up every university professor on any university and know their office hours and freely go there, right?

Like, many professions already doxx you by default, so what

I don't recall anyone in my university getting death threats just because they are available
himekokatagiri: esp with AI I think it's pretty easy too
himekokatagiri: That's mean
trent_k: holy shit wtf some guy lives in spain? there's a guy living there? and his name is alejandro??? i will act on this information immediately
okbut: Too boring to be doxxed
hikukomoru:
alejandrozarzuelo: You do know that it is trivially easy to figure out

Also people have instagram where they photograph themselves on every angle possible
hikukomoru: Why are you not afraid of sharing that information with others
alejandrozarzuelo: Cool
hikukomoru: I know your full name and where you live Alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't want to but I could
alejandrozarzuelo: Easily
alejandrozarzuelo: I can doxx you if I want
alejandrozarzuelo: Bah
himekokatagiri: after the singularity can I be your tomoko
hikukomoru: Shit taste mate
okbut: Some options better than 4.1: 4o+, 4oo, 4o Pro (Experimental)
himekokatagiri: for everything
himekokatagiri: also anonymity should be exercised
himekokatagiri: You failed
trent_k: i put my real name and face on my discord to remind myself not to fedpost too hard
trent_k: disagree
alejandrozarzuelo: Oh damn is this where it comes from
himekokatagiri: vocalist of eight cm nails
himekokatagiri: Trent Korn
himekokatagiri: trentk did it.
hikukomoru: Of course not Alejandro
You're the only person who would put their real name on their discord account
himekokatagiri: Hikki K. Omoru
himekokatagiri: its hikikomoru
alejandrozarzuelo: Komoru can't possibly be your real name
himekokatagiri: oh
hikukomoru: No this is my main account
I don't post a single thing on my other, just a lurker account
himekokatagiri: everyone teaming up to witness AGI
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-2-mvm-mann-vs-machine-medic-gif-3285869801930773374
anathemaofmankind: Why are you asking
anathemaofmankind: I do?


spicy.lemonade: 2032?
joaoluz19: You can't be sure of that
spicy.lemonade: Imagine I studied a week before
futurist_wizard: Full volume
futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/LA7sFbpTKCw?si=thPqqnVCxVUJTcZa

This auto played on my phone
spicy.lemonade: Shits wild
spicy.lemonade: I learned 1 month of content in a day
spicy.lemonade: Yeah
spicy.lemonade: Literally no point
spicy.lemonade: 2032
spicy.lemonade: PhD takes 4 more years
technocake.: if you can cram for the hardest test in a day, you caaan learn anything in a day
spicy.lemonade: Even if not
spicy.lemonade: Will have PhD ai researchers by then
spicy.lemonade: I graduate with bachelors in 2028
spicy.lemonade: No use
spicy.lemonade: I wanted a PhD in Ai
spicy.lemonade: 💀
technocake.: its all about learning to learn fast
theaiguy69420_89814: Once you go pink, they have to take you off the rink
theaiguy69420_89814: Dam that bitch made u a fucc boi now
spicy.lemonade: Not going to grad school
spicy.lemonade: Gpa useless in age of Ai
spicy.lemonade: As long as it’s over 3.0
spicy.lemonade: I don’t even care about my gpa anymore
theaiguy69420_89814: Ok
spicy.lemonade: Lemme know how it goes
spicy.lemonade: Nice
st.sioux: i used to do the same shit in college, didnt go to a single math class one semester and they refused to let me take the final exam unless i showed my id because they didn't believe it was actually me
theaiguy69420_89814: Using zapier
theaiguy69420_89814: <@471334973379706900> I'm making ur app but android version
technocake.: this is the path to supreme crackedness
technocake.: This is the way, don't forget to use all your extra time to learn even more random shit
a1c4p0ne: Never again
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 failed me before
a1c4p0ne: And won
a1c4p0ne: I didn’t this time
st.sioux: lmaooo
st.sioux: are u kidding me are u using ai to play blackjack
spicy.lemonade: Craming


st.sioux: not all of them and not overnight
.histic:
realelonmuskx: its sad seeing all your skills become wortheless overnight because of the twink but it is what it is
realelonmuskx: by 2030 most white collar jobs wont exist dud
zoermena: So next year Hollywood is dead
zoermena: Imagine when we get this level of quality with Sora
.histic:
.histic: cursed
.histic:
anathemaofmankind: The fact that Elon has many kids makes that obvious
.histic: money can get you a lot
.histic: named pink sparklz
.histic: i remember when asmon was dating the big tit chick
futurist_wizard: Tbh
futurist_wizard: Im lowballing a lot
anathemaofmankind: Hate is a successful marketing strategy
futurist_wizard: Probably closer to 2m a month
st.sioux: and all he has to do is spread hate
futurist_wizard: Multiple videos a day all at over 500k, man is making at least 1m a month
futurist_wizard: Asmongold is making an absurd amount of money rn
anathemaofmankind: People watch Asmongold to validate their own biases not get insightful commentary
.histic:
zoermena: This, say goodbye to copyrighted characters or decent semi nsfw
.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1905069027858448667
is he speaking to me?
futurist_wizard: Asmongold be like 'dur AI women games bad woke altgayman dur' either way you aren't getting insightful commentary
.histic: also, my paycheck is biweekly, and i already spent a lot of dumb stuff <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
anathemaofmankind: You realize the image gen could get nerfed if you wait too long?

Nerfs have happened before
zoermena: I almost spit my drink holy fuck 😂
.histic: i do, i just kind of want to wait until GPT-5 comes out
anathemaofmankind: Don't forget the deadpan childish jokes
.histic: 😬 so tempted
futurist_wizard: Critikal be like 'dur dis scawry  dur anyway see ya'
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982
anathemaofmankind: Do it bro
drewsni: No joke I could see them pausing subs for a week
zoermena: The best 20 dollars you could ever spend in the 21 first century
anathemaofmankind: Well they got a lot of views
hikukomoru: Oh my god bro not Assmangold and Critikal
.histic: i'm so tempted in buying the $20 sub
brain4brain: The future is here


spicy.lemonade: whens the last time we heard that
st.sioux: even if it doesnt make your body impervious to space you could just clone your brain like spicy said
spicy.lemonade: "as a language model"
spicy.lemonade: the good old days
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: genetic engineering is powerful
himekokatagiri: there won't be anything to buy
himekokatagiri: you won't buy anything it'll be built in
himekokatagiri: uhhhh
juweigege_54993: Then memory cards. I'll buy a lot of memory cards.
himekokatagiri: like make you impervious to space?
himekokatagiri: idk if ASI can beat space like this
.histic: I thought we were talking about in a world with ASI
ldj: <@343524947353665540> proof: https://x.com/GaryMarcus/status/1855382564015689959
st.sioux: yes we do bro
himekokatagiri: 😨
himekokatagiri: we don't use hard drives in 2025
juweigege_54993: I imagine being able to buy extra gard drives for my brain.
himekokatagiri: all the dead astronauts from ages past would like to disagree
ldj: The funniest part is that it's not even fake, it's literally a tweet he posted
st.sioux: asteroids will seem like such a minor nuisance by then
joaoluz19: I'll let gradient descent decide what my world will be like.
spicy.lemonade: something something quantum computer
.histic: that's not that imaginative
himekokatagiri: can your brain fit in an entire universe
zoermena: I would like to leave earth and move to a terraformed planet
juweigege_54993: Me too.
himekokatagiri: I never thought of that
himekokatagiri: ...does, does that work?
spicy.lemonade: if it gets to that point
spicy.lemonade: ill just turn on fdvr mode in my brain
himekokatagiri: probably forever
himekokatagiri: and you're gonna be stuck in space
zoermena: Yeah true, with work and classes I’ve never really given myself the time to just sit and study properly but I’ll make an effort
st.sioux: you can have checkpoints before you go on space trips bro
himekokatagiri: but then are you really alive
spicy.lemonade: yes
himekokatagiri: well unless if you're an Android
spicy.lemonade: im going to be in a robot body
himekokatagiri: outer space


spicy.lemonade: they said it
spicy.lemonade: we do
brain4brain: You have no way of knowing
spicy.lemonade: will be in gpt5
spicy.lemonade: dynamic thinking neds to be solved aswell
spicy.lemonade: yeah
brain4brain: Most of the time isn’t in generating action, rather it’s in thinking and planning
spicy.lemonade: "move left by 2 units"
brain4brain: The real AGI benchmark is when there are no more things that apply under the moravec paradox and these skeptics have faith in the AGI
spicy.lemonade: and faster
spicy.lemonade: they need more forms of input
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: via voice comand
spicy.lemonade: like imagine having to play pokemon
brain4brain: Moravec PhD
spicy.lemonade: nah just saying. its time limited
fractalcomputer: God forbid men have standards.
brain4brain: It is going as expected
brain4brain: Nothing to worry about
brain4brain: This is exactly why we are 5% to AGI
aero447: Because even small children beat those games.
spicy.lemonade: most phds dont
aero447: Are you implying that the model can beat Pokemon faster than a small child?
brain4brain: They should make the model make it own map
fractalcomputer: Models have not produced meaningful results in "PhD-level" research.
brain4brain: To be fair, it was given a map
spicy.lemonade: got farther than claude so far
aero447: It's been weeks.
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 is stiull playing
aero447: We do.
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: we dont know that actually
aero447: It crushes o3's benchmarks.
aero447: Look at Google's DR vs OpenAI's.
aero447: Yes, it did.
brain4brain: No it didn’t
aero447: 😂
aero447: Can't beat Pokemon.
aero447: Gemini 2.5 beats o3.
brain4brain: Thats Claude-3.7-sonnet not full o3, full o3 is PhD level


aero447: What do they sell in Vietnam?
oooooooooog: yeah thats true
hey1_1hey: Joined on the 24 of feb this year tho
oooooooooog: he only has 2k messages in this discord, so not that much (probably)
spacetimetsunami: Because I can sense things and move throughout reality. And because I also know I’m not in FDVR or anything similar
st.sioux: nothing like talking about death with a hooker
shirethedreamer: how much of your day are you on discord?
spacetimetsunami: I am not talking about people living in their games. People who do that today are obviously no different than what I am condemning.
hikukomoru: Yaaaay
oooooooooog: reality as your perceive it is patterns, and FDVR is patterns, they are the same lol
fractalcomputer: How do you know what is real?
nsec: it will never happen simply live in the now, bring a hooker to church, get wasted and do cocaine off a fatman's stomach, go to brazil for carnival, learn the ways of the mountain goat in nepal and become enlightend by that type of shit they sell in vietnam
spacetimetsunami: I mean it’ll feel as real, it just simply won’t be. And I’ll know that, so it will affect me.
shirethedreamer: most people living in their games are not in fact making a living gaming
they are just living like this
hey1_1hey: Fractal is the head honcho ring leader (Head schzio) San is the group news aggregator and thought sharer and you are just the weird gremlin that I sometimes talk to
spacetimetsunami: Computers are necessary interfaces in order to get things done in the real world. A lot of people even make a living gaming, it’s a bit different.
fractalcomputer: Then that would imply that reality derives from the way I perceive it; and granted that full-dive virtual reality or some other analogue would simply manipulate my apperception of that reality, why should that curation be any less real than this one?
hey1_1hey: Nw, although I would say its for different reaons...
zoermena: As long as we get LEV
hikukomoru: I'm glad to be included in a group with those two 😊
shirethedreamer: what do you consider just taking part and what is living?
a lot of people today are on their PC in virtual environments for most of their day
they spend more time in virtual spaces than they do in real life
where are they living?
spacetimetsunami: Haha lol
hey1_1hey: only 30% of the class passed <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
sarik0497: Unfortunately my dudes, I think discussing FDVR already is a bit too early. I hope we might get a glimpse of it soon, but I have my doubts it'll be anywhere close until the late 30s <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
hey1_1hey: No thanks, I got my results back for my exams today and I passed them all. I do better without them
spacetimetsunami: Religious cope
spacetimetsunami: As far as you’re concerned, yes. When you die nothing exists anymore - for you. The world as far as you experience it is gone.
hikukomoru: Looks like you need to take your meds then schizo
spacetimetsunami: I’ll take part in it. I just won’t live in it.
hey1_1hey: If anyone was a hallucination here it would either be you, fractal or san
sarik0497: For all we know, we live in such a simulation right now and dying makes us "return" to the "real" world.
fractalcomputer: Why? Is reality contingent on my existence?
shirethedreamer: well, if you feel that way you dont have to take part in them
if you value certain experiences less than others it makes sense that you would not be interested in them just as much

but think of this conversation
does it being made through virtual medium of discord make it any less of a real conversation than one we would have face to face?
spacetimetsunami: Yeah, the one where you die is real.
hey1_1hey: You seem made up, straight hallucination then again I dont say anything.
sarik0497: Interesting comparison you make, as it'd lead to the same outcome. "You"-you believes that you die.
st.sioux: it is real
fractalcomputer: Is there a conclusion I am supposed to draw here?
hikukomoru: That's not a real term
He just made it up right now
spacetimetsunami: Okay.
Shoot yourself in the head in FDVR
Shoot yourself in the head irl
There ya go.


wellmeaningalien: <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988> <:nso_emoji_face_grimacing:936616113100455988>
wellmeaningalien: we are NOT ready
i_like_over_9000_turtles: what if they release the kraken...
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://tenor.com/view/release-the-kraken-gif-14602611039161448443
metaldragon01: I'm fairly sure most people will be happy with what they release
wellmeaningalien: maybeee
metaldragon01: And phone
wellmeaningalien: 😬
spicy.lemonade: prob just means best consumer hardware
wellmeaningalien: most people's own hardware is ehhhhh
wellmeaningalien: i think he knows most people would be pissed if he didnt open source o3-mini lol
jonvi_1: I saw an OpenAI employee describe it as "we will release a model you will be able to run on your own hardware"
futurist_wizard:
jonvi_1: Well it's not necessarily binding haha
wellmeaningalien: unless this ain't o3-mini but a 4b parameters reasoning model
wellmeaningalien: also wasnt the poll outcome a local phone sized model
hey1_1hey: I would like to take a tally of everyone on the server who thinks having 1ft of human inside of them is a good idea. Probably no one
hey1_1hey: Thats an enter foot I'll have you know
hey1_1hey: Bigger is not always better youngling
wellmeaningalien: so true!
hey1_1hey: I come back and see this and you made me do a big ol' santa laugh
fractalcomputer: The Blessed Avalokiteśvara has blessed His nation yet again.
wellmeaningalien: only thru the blessings of the Dalai Lama can this be possible
wellmeaningalien: Could be useful for datacenters. And shit
wellmeaningalien: And is equivalent to the entire energy capacity of Germany
fractalcomputer: Another victory for the eternal science of Tantric Buddhism.
wellmeaningalien: 2x larger than their previous dam project which was basically the largest hydroelectric project up to this point in history
wellmeaningalien: Americope title but China is building a new dam that could provide 60 GWh of electricity a year in Tibet
spicy.lemonade: Damn
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5aLyQaNf_Y
fractalcomputer: https://youtu.be/8nlg08EVhlk?si=vHmYI1ES2OrUIgxU
zonchao: <@505313122802728972>
spacetimetsunami: hahaha
spicy.lemonade: No
spacetimetsunami: u r a gai?
spacetimetsunami: If you like goth rock you would like it
spicy.lemonade: I want what she’s having
spicy.lemonade: Holy fuck
fractalcomputer: Never heard of it.
spacetimetsunami: the band


supersteve8000: just intuition
supersteve8000: wassup?
clevermoniker: uh, what?
supersteve8000: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
clevermoniker: time to get your premium copium <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
supersteve8000: *witter -ly* [ wink ]
supersteve8000: 🩵
supersteve8000: remember to use: emoji's
metaldragon01: Vision is the big one for me
metaldragon01: Computer use, vision, memory main bottlenecks
supersteve8000: i feel *2028* will be peak
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: oh no the luddites have arrived
clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
clevermoniker: I think Very late 2026 at the earliest so far
supersteve8000: the fall has begun
metaldragon01: If we get AGI I think it happens fall at soonest
clevermoniker: 👆
clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
supersteve8000: x
supersteve8000: ^*
supersteve8000: plaint-text be like:
clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
clevermoniker: it won't be capable of automating 50% of digital jobs so it won't be agi to me <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
inferno0879: im across the pond
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: alright ldj lets meet up
supersteve8000: shoot im east coast :/
ldj: Again, same answer: Depends on your definition.
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> I'll be visting SF for the next few days, if anyone wants to meetup lmk 🙂
supersteve8000: yo yo you can't see me
my time is now now-
brain4brain: Wassup Beijing
supersteve8000: hold up...
.. alr
ldj: The answer is always the same:
"depends on your definition"
supersteve8000: ( bing chillin )
supersteve8000: omfg they got Nsec
supersteve8000: prolly not
supersteve8000: wdym?
supersteve8000: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I'm the upgrade
supersteve8000: gang's all here
supersteve8000: ay


metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1905296867145154688
drewsni:
drewsni:
st.sioux: you can just keep retrying it usually works after like 10 seconds
st.sioux: ghibli dale earnhardt
trent_k: Very cool
drewsni: guys its been like 72 hours now and i havent stopped ghiblifying my whole world i need help
anathemaofmankind: Proof that AI is superior
st.sioux: 🤯
st.sioux: if its bad then its real
spicy.lemonade: cause I cant tell
spicy.lemonade: and ask if its ai
spicy.lemonade: gonna generate some obv AI art
spicy.lemonade: we should all start an AI hate rally
spicy.lemonade: 😭
anathemaofmankind: I'm staring to feel empathy for these bozos
spicy.lemonade: shit
avizuradnb: You have to keep the style consistent though for the next one
spicy.lemonade: because they were coping
hikukomoru: It's funny
otub: why are you guys messing with them lol
spicy.lemonade: like i was actively iterating and drawing
spicy.lemonade: addint authenticity
spicy.lemonade: just like i specified
spicy.lemonade: like you can see faded spots of the previous sketch
st.sioux: no way they don't say anything about the ukraine shit
anathemaofmankind: That shit is funny as hell
anathemaofmankind: It's so over for artists
spicy.lemonade: this is op
spicy.lemonade: 😭
anathemaofmankind: You're welcome
spicy.lemonade: omg
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: Thank u
anathemaofmankind: It has less restrictions
trent_k: What the fuck is OpenAI's problem
trent_k: Is that fr how you have to do it now
anathemaofmankind: <@1068159407671754824>
anathemaofmankind: Use the Sora Website
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/played-gif-13534492


ldj: Scaling the compute of a specific model is not the same as scaling your overall frontier cluster.

As I just pointed out, if that was true, then that would mean that OpenAI has increased the compute scale of their largest training cluster(s) by 1,000X in the last 8 months, but they haven't.

They haven't even increased 1,000X compute since GPT-4.
himekokatagiri: but they're not very good at it
himekokatagiri: then send them loose to fight the war
himekokatagiri: to make topiechans
hey1_1hey: I see myself as the opposisite ngl
himekokatagiri: they stitch up dead communist soldiers
trojan09205: thanks shroom
hikukomoru:
fractalcomputer: Interesting comparison.
aero447: They can't scale that again.
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmo6KrsM9V4
hey1_1hey: Yo thats a cute ass dog
aero447: It's basically the 3.5 to o3's 4.
zonchao:
hikukomoru: It's cute
hikukomoru: Wdym gross
himekokatagiri: it's topiechan
st.sioux: gross
st.sioux: wtf is this
himekokatagiri: but then make a game about AI waifus
aero447: 😮💨
himekokatagiri: the creators are weird polish people who hate AI.
aero447: O1 was a beta for O3.
himekokatagiri: I think it is
trojan09205: is this hand drawn?
himekokatagiri: that's kinda adorable ngl
aero447: Thus they can't scale another 10x easily.
hikukomoru: I look like this btw
ldj: 2 OOMs is 100X not 1,000X

Idk why you're saying since GPT-4 since there isn't evidence to suggest o1-preview was made all the way back then.

and the largest training configuration on earth right now is still not even 100X of original GPT-4 training run.
trojan09205: legit. been introducing her to my other dog. shes a smart pup it seems so far
can't wait til i can run with her for long runs
aero447: And are now on the last OOM circa 6 months or so.
aero447: 100% They've increased total compute to 2x OOMs.
hikukomoru: Like staring at your soul
hikukomoru: Those eeyes!!!
So pretty
But also very intense
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676
aero447: Since GPT-4.
himekokatagiri: she's kinda weird but she's the goodest cat
aero447: Yes, they did.
himekokatagiri: uwoh...
himekokatagiri: