hikukomoru: He can't stop thinking abt me 🫦
hey1_1hey: Can't sleep tho
zoermena: I haven’t really tried replicating a style to be honest
hey1_1hey: It is
futurist_wizard: Isn't it your bedtime
oooooooooog: THEN USE THEM FOR STYLES
oooooooooog: YOU CAN JUST KEEP THE IMAGES IN A FOLDER
futurist_wizard: It does
zoermena: Why?
hey1_1hey: We don't even need to hive mind honestly. We all mostly think the same to begin with a any way
oooooooooog: NO NEED
zoermena: We should make a list of art styles for 4o, in a thread or something
alejandrozarzuelo: As I said, it's in the zeitgeist
hey1_1hey: It seems like everyone is doing it tho
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah it's just in the zeitgeist
hey1_1hey: Is it just something we've set are selves on because we are all autistic or what
alejandrozarzuelo: I really like it
alejandrozarzuelo: Hmmm actually it's just funny, because it doesn't make you laugh
hey1_1hey: What's the obsession with this art style btw
oooooooooog: STUDIO GIBLI ALEJANDRO PFP
futurist_wizard: Alejandro's pfp is hilarious
hey1_1hey: Can I call you "farming" then
hikukomoru: I was typing smth
hikukomoru: Nvm
alejandrozarzuelo: (as long as it isn't sexual or offensive )
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't care
alejandrozarzuelo: You can call me however you want
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean sure
hey1_1hey: Vibe coded obc
hikukomoru: Yeah 4o remade minecraft from scratch
futurist_wizard: No
jonvi_1: is that ai?
oooooooooog: HEY THATS PRETTY GOOD
futurist_wizard:
technocake.: sweden intensifies
oooooooooog: SEND THE MINECRAFT SCREENSHOT
alejandrozarzuelo: That's why it's a diminutive of my surname
hey1_1hey: I only call one person by their last name and it's to make fun of them
hikukomoru: My little berry boo
futurist_wizard: Generated from a minecraft screenshot


professorheaven: Is this the first time we’re seeing Greg Brockman at a demo?
zoermena: Imagine the livestream starts with GBM saying “we have AGI”
abundantliving_: I have a feeling o4 mini is AGI
st.sioux: how does that work
futurist_wizard: Hmm
st.sioux: they will both be first??
hey1_1hey: "Its not AGI because it hasn't unified physics yet"
hikukomoru: OAI too
hikukomoru: Yeah I can see google being the first to reach AGI
hey1_1hey: Because its not a good healine obv
a1c4p0ne: It’s AGI when it can beat Pokemon
drewsni: Gpt 2 was AGI and I have no clue why people don’t agree
popsiclejohnithan: We'll keep pushing the goalpoasts until they cannot be pushed anymore lol.
zoermena: How
hikukomoru: Buy me a pizza too
zoermena: Espeshally
popsiclejohnithan: Definetley, espeshally since google are hireing post AGI reserchesers now, that makes me think them and others have acheved somthing major internally.
hey1_1hey: The goal post shiting is crazy
zoermena: <a:hypeasf:880590299246768218>
hey1_1hey: I remember saying o3-mini with agentic capabilties was AGI and now I dont think it is <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: Response time, $ improvements, or task that don’t require a ton of world knowledge.

If you need a model for coding, mini is going to probably be just as good and much cheaper.
zoermena: And I will send proof
zoermena: If the model is super good I’ll buy a pizza to eat today
hikukomoru: I hope you're right
hey1_1hey: You started this not me remember
popsiclejohnithan: We're pretty close to AGI honestly, i can see it happening this year with what these past few months have shown us.
zoermena: <a:HYPERCATJAM:1037101323516121209>
zoermena: HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
hikukomoru: Don't start with the gender stuff already
drewsni: Remember that Greg brockman is the sole reason why gpt 4 actually worked and was good. Imagine where we’d be now without gpt 4
hikukomoru: AGI or not I'm still going to drink
drewsni: No but if gbm is there then AGI is announced
hey1_1hey: Maybe if o4-mini is AGI
hikukomoru: No drinking 🥀
hey1_1hey: If o4-mini cant tell me what gender I am its not AGI
st.sioux: brontorock johnson
st.sioux: silly ass name
hikukomoru: Such as
popsiclejohnithan: He's not *the* twink.
hey1_1hey: twink


hikukomoru: No
gamerbath: <:LETSGO:1056254139904036995>
zoermena: You are the goat
hey1_1hey: Yeah of course will do
zoermena: Can anyone update me if 4.1 is cool. I’m at work
spicy.lemonade:
zonchao: its like 20 bucks and easy 30hrs+ worth it
zonchao: schedule 1
darkstar0818: you too young to play and mind too pure.
hikukomoru: What game
zonchao: this game probably made more than south of midnight and probably sold more than AC <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
darkstar0818: its all about the gameplay and vibes
zonchao: yea
zonchao: its not lethal company  levels of fun
darkstar0818: I do like that this game shows that people dont give a shit about big budget art/sound
spicy.lemonade: 30 mins lads
zonchao: well it was alright
zonchao: it is not fun to coop though, maybe if the cop AI was better
darkstar0818: respect to dev.  He 100% is a master at knowing his audience.
zonchao: easy W
zonchao: dev made bank
zonchao: lots of updates coming too
zonchao: it is a good game
darkstar0818: oh look its the most popular game right now
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/schedule-schedule-1-steam-game-drugs-gif-8070089552193078416
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775
zonchao: birds are advanced DJI drones
fractalcomputer: Birds are number theorists at heart.
hikukomoru: Bigoted and proud 💪
ailoveyoom: 🏖
hikukomoru: I am
zonchao: you sound like a bitch
darkstar0818: An honest bigot, I love to see it.
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: I will dehumanise men and women equally
hikukomoru: I hate equality
darkstar0818: Where is my equality?
futurist_wizard: He will defend my statement
spicy.lemonade: 💀
futurist_wizard: Spicy is my lawyer


hey1_1hey: Wdym?
.wolfnacht: i can imagine a whole paradise of myself being king of some Amazonian milfs in my head.
hey1_1hey: I have amphatasia but only when I need it msot
hikukomoru: I have tons of NEET gf cards
I love all of them equally
futurist_wizard: Decisions
hey1_1hey: Weirdly enough if I stop trying to think about what I want and let my mind wonder I straight up forget I have eyes and can see perfectly whats in my head
futurist_wizard: How do you decide on like...? Things
hikukomoru: He's an NPC
_3sphere: aphantasia must suck when you're horny 😭
hey1_1hey: No, never have been able to
hey1_1hey: That'd be cool
.wolfnacht: i was yesterday making an NEET GF card and grok came with this line in backstory which made me crack "Once vibrant classmates who graduated together, they now share a degenerate lifestyle, bonding over porn, anime, and mutual unemployment"
futurist_wizard: You can't see things inside your head?
_3sphere: At best you can comfort yourself with a pretty scene
_3sphere: The imagined paradises aren't all that great
hey1_1hey: I find it crazy that people can just imagine things in there head. I often think that I could litterly be living another life in paradise but I cant even imagine an apple
futurist_wizard: You can goon just stop being so ratty about it
wellmeaningalien: goon/er
wellmeaningalien: mb i'll user the correct proronouns in the future
hikukomoru: Please, that's such an outdated term
I prefer gooner
futurist_wizard: Oh right its just fan made stuff of pre existing characters
.wolfnacht: Im glad i rely on my own stories and fantasies written by AI when i feel like it.
hikukomoru: Drawings
himekokatagiri: You don't wanna know.
himekokatagiri: and I know sora made it
futurist_wizard: Wtf is doujin
himekokatagiri: on the supermarket there's some generic music loop playing
.wolfnacht: The Class-S gooners
himekokatagiri: I'm so cracked out that like
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/tony-zaret-coomer-gif-2519024834770164761
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-woody-sheriff-woody-dimitri-monroe-guilty-gear-gif-3156852588922082576
futurist_wizard: Doujins? Thats a ghost in phasmophobia or something
hikukomoru: Yeah I wonder who would be into that haha
hey1_1hey: Thats crazy
hey1_1hey: When we get to the number 999,999,999 my brain break a bit then theres 8,200,000,000 of me
.wolfnacht: Look em up
.wolfnacht: I need 4.1 for free
wellmeaningalien: ah hell nah why
futurist_wizard: I have no idea what youve just said
.histic: if you want to try 4.1 without using the API.
lmsys has them available in "Direct Chat" for free.


drewsni: what do you mean? It got the exact cross streets, the crosswalks which are only on about 10% of intersections
sieventer: To be fair, it would be a bit more interesting if it was other place that wasn't that common. I mean, that's a very typical USA place. Maybe a random place in Europe, would be more interesting to recreate

I get your point tho
drewsni: how?
literallyvarane: This is actually bad tho lolllol
drewsni: i still cant believe 4o image gen recreated almost the exact location with just coordinates
drewsni: this is the single most impressive AI example ive seen tho personally
literallyvarane: I think it’s more tool assisted than necessarily purely the model itself, but results are all that really matter.
literallyvarane: o3 clearly has the best vision so far.
drewsni: But theres a canal that provides enough water for a small strip of a hundred miles to have pistachio orchards, and o3 was the only model that guessed that second
sieventer: Holy shit, 2.5 Pro is #5 D:
ldj: For a majority of things, O3 is best of the best in vision yes.
Geoguessr is not representative of a common real-world use-case
sieventer: Oh wow xD
drewsni: nobody would guess it was roswell or near it, because roswell is known as a desert
drewsni: so for this one, every single model guesses somewhere central valley of CA which is 100% what it looks like
ldj: and also multi-modal and long context, and less saturated than Humanities last exam
https://scale.com/leaderboard/enigma_eval
drewsni:
ldj: better than humanities last exam
ldj: I think this is the best recent benchmark btw
drewsni: lemme find it
sieventer: Makes sense
ldj: O1 is already amazing at geoguessr, so is O3.
Both are significantly beyond average humans, but O3 just maybe has a tendency to over-think and over-analyze sometimes, and geoguessr just happens to be one of those things where you really have to pay attention to your initial intuition first and for-most, and O3s thinking maybe drowns that out a bit
sieventer: Roswell nm question? o.o
drewsni: which if any model gets that one first try its AGI to me
drewsni: its the only one that got the roswell nm question on the 2nd try tho
sieventer: joint is not the word, whatever
.histic: general vision
sieventer: Fuck english, uhh,  I mean
sieventer: There is then a joint hallucination in Twitter that o3 is the best of the best in vision xD
drewsni: here was the original btw
drewsni:
sieventer: Welp :|
drewsni: tried to match up with a non existent honda dealership
drewsni: like with this one, most models guess seattle correctly but it definitely overthought it
sieventer: So basically, o1 has the same vision skills than o3, but... it's just now we are aware of how it zooms? XD
drewsni: the first vibe code acquihire lmao
ldj: a bit yea
drewsni: for a few hundred million at least
ldj: unless it's a cracked 10X solo dev vibe coder
ldj: so they'd probably need to do a whole acquihire
ldj: it's pretty complex though, it was probably a whole team that made the benchmark


3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102
3ds0662: and vibe again
3ds0662: i was born to see manmade horrors beyond my comprehension i will embrace them
inferno0879: probably change perspective and practice gratitude
st.sioux: wao
fractalcomputer: And whatever will you do when these vibes horrify you? Make you nauseated at the sight of the crimes of man and nature? Saddened beyond relief? Despaired without a way out?
tors.exe: why ai image generator cant generate images this detailed  ?
3ds0662: only the vibes
3ds0662: the medium does not matter
3ds0662: whether they be sound, or water
3ds0662: whereever the waves 🌊 go you follow
3ds0662: vibes are like an orchestra you must let them play out
3ds0662:
spicy.lemonade: You could just describe the soldier first
spicy.lemonade: No reasoning
tors.exe: Also why ai image genrators are shit at historical thing ? like i told 4o to generate me a ww1 western front german soldier 1917 . and its give some random ass soldier ?!
st.sioux: It's 4o native image gen
3ds0662: 🤣 😂
tors.exe: if no then its a new image generator right ?
spicy.lemonade: No
spicy.lemonade: We are all vibe coding
sieventer: This is the correct one
sieventer: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068937512044728391/1361232404165038121/xu-XwJx5wXfNOf6_.mp4?ex=67ff5377&is=67fe01f7&hm=8062fc92b3f227ed49430445c3c7053fee93280c3c78fce2718349a0b6c3e6f6&
sieventer: Did you really send that version?
st.sioux: it's gotten to the point where I hear "vibe coding" and i have vietnam flashbacks
3ds0662: vibes man vibbbeees
3ds0662: the father that started this all
3ds0662:
tors.exe: Guys is 4o imagie generator Dall-E 4 ?
fractalcomputer: Great.
3ds0662: thats like 2026 ish right maybe
3ds0662: idk 🤷♂ if they get the million multidatacenter gpus up and running and the models change drastically i might change my vibe
fractalcomputer: What is it with this community and vibes?
3ds0662: its gonna be off by a lot in my vibe cause of nvidia and tsmc they can’t produce chips fast enough and better enough to justify a singularity or asi in such a short time span
fractalcomputer: "Vibe prophesying"
3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/catdestroy-catknockover-stacy3654129-gif-18955963
3ds0662: as tim scarfe said lol 😂
3ds0662: constant releases
3ds0662: it feels so in a way but after last 3 months it doesnt seem completely farfetched
3ds0662: 😭


spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: no
hikukomoru: Europoors don't have it as usual
a1c4p0ne: It got it from the web with tool use
_cloudost: hey who else got access to o4-mini?
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: how did it make these?
spicy.lemonade: to give me the textures
return_to_monke1_33974: there goes my non-existing SWE 300k job 😭 😭
spicy.lemonade: no i asked it
a1c4p0ne: Maybe it’s the prompt
spicy.lemonade: im making minecraft clone btw
spicy.lemonade: what the fuck
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: to download
spicy.lemonade: it just gave me file
spicy.lemonade: damn
spicy.lemonade:
return_to_monke1_33974: how i image Antrophic AI
return_to_monke1_33974: https://tenor.com/view/buttefly-dog-butterfly-dog-%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0-gif-3477745535671394965
a1c4p0ne: Dario said they’re only focusing on enterprise
hikukomoru: They can't compete by themselves anymore
hikukomoru: Someone should buy Anthropic too
popsiclejohnithan: What shrooms does to a mf.
otub: loud incorrect buzzer
popsiclejohnithan: We shall see.
777agical: https://x.com/shiringhaffary/status/1912569808777859506?s=46
anathemaofmankind: This dude is delusional
popsiclejohnithan: https://x.com/DaveShapi/status/1912561027574632527
popsiclejohnithan:
_cloudost:
popsiclejohnithan: I always wanted to be a part of God.
anathemaofmankind: I'm graduating in 2 years so I hope this is true
return_to_monke1_33974: just like  me fr fr
return_to_monke1_33974: we have 2 years left until we are decomposed to molecular level to be used as compute material for the ASI <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600><:doomer:1136265388473196644>
hey1_1hey: Its not fast enough, I am going to be out of education by then and then I finally have to get a job <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hikukomoru: I'm going to die
hikukomoru: 3 months for o4 full
hikukomoru: They actually mentioned RSI very briefly
hey1_1hey: Check in in 3 months to see if there is another 20% jump


hikukomoru: And I'm Portuguese, also a religious country
No one cares about holy week
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn
alejandrozarzuelo: But in Castilla
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, becsuse portuguése people are heretics

In Asturias the Holy week is not that important
hikukomoru: Your family must be like super hardcore christians
trojan09205: Religious country
trojan09205: If i recall, he is Spanish
hikukomoru: I genuinely haven't seen a single person here who even cares about holy week
trojan09205: I havent been around for like 2.5 months
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm not, my family is
hikukomoru: I didn't know you were religious
trojan09205: I celebrate passover its also holy week lol 😂
trojan09205: Nice bro happy holy week
alejandrozarzuelo: And I am busy with that
trojan09205: *sad face*
alejandrozarzuelo: My family has come home
alejandrozarzuelo: Ergo
alejandrozarzuelo: I am not talking much here because it's holy week
hikukomoru: jgudy left
alejandrozarzuelo: Wasn't he banned
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
alejandrozarzuelo: In fact we are very unique in the mammal order for not having them
trojan09205: <@688807313015963693> its good to see you. Is jgudy still around
alejandrozarzuelo: Humans
Do
Not
Have
Pheromones

Yes that Axe commercial was clickbait
alejandrozarzuelo: That's the main problem of adding a pheromone system to a human who doesn't
hikukomoru: That's a bonus
alejandrozarzuelo: Catgirls will always be funky smelling
trojan09205: So no hairless cat?
himekokatagiri: Toxoplasmosis
trojan09205: I have this little alpine linux shell on my iphone and installed aichat on it to chat with gemini lol
trojan09205: Mb i didnt read what u were replying to. Definitely worth the watch when you just wanna see a masterpiece of acting
trojan09205: I love cats. Just when i go visit my brother i cant resist petting them and then my eyes bulge up and i legit always need to take an anti allergic to just drive home safely
trojan09205: Yeah that movie is incredibly trippy
st.sioux: my cat has hair
trojan09205: Oh hahahaha
st.sioux: idk about cats
st.sioux: no i mean synechdoche is sad
denis_burmyshev: It's sad
trojan09205: Wdym homeslice? You are sad or the cat without hair is a sad thing?

If you are sad take a virtual hug 🤗🫂
trojan09205: I am severely allergic to cat hair


ldj: also the basic memory feature was out by dec 2024 too.
ldj: well not GPT-4, because that was already out in March.

O1 preview came out in September 2024, Claude-3.6 came out in October. and O1 full came out around December 5th
trojan09205: for me it was the improvements to chatGPT to make it very much like a bro whereas i had to go to local llamas for that vibe
himekokatagiri: nothing important
himekokatagiri: idk
ailoveyoom: I forgor
ailoveyoom: For comparison's sake
ailoveyoom: What came out between June 13 '23 - Dec 13 '24 tho
trojan09205: Im not a deepseek fan cause the reasoning bubble kind of weirds me out and my brain likes to peek into it and sometimes (most of the time) i just wanna chat
trojan09205: Okay got it. Idk i guess for me the most meaningful vibe metric is whether i have fun talking with the chatbots and if they enhance my life conversationally/recreationally

i do use them for coding and stuff but I guess i read into your poll question like how i *feel* about them
ldj: yes
trojan09205: you mean the past 4.5 months?
trojan09205: like paid AIs got so good that i kind of stopped running local GGUFs with koboldCPP to have fun and the regular models are good enough for me. which was surprising
ldj: Things that released in the past 4.5 month time period that I can remember:

- O3
- Deepseek R1
- Claude-3.7-sonnet
- Gemini-2.5-Pro
- Task scheduling
- Advanced memory feature
- Browser use
- Deep Research
trojan09205: I voted no just cause i started with local llama 2 and i think the jump was super exponential til the end of last year. i dont follow benchmarking and all that tho tbh
ldj: Reminder O1 full didn't release until December, and Deep research, O3, Claude-3.7 sonnet, Gemini-2.5-Pro and Deepseek R1 all didn't come out until December and later too.
ldj:
ldj:
brain4brain: Liang wenfeng and leopold were added to the list
brain4brain: Timeline for AGI of prominent figure in AI:

Sam Altman: 2025
Brain4Brain: 2025
Elon Musk: 2025 - 2026
Metaculus Average: 2025 - 2026
Leopold Aschenbrenner: 2027
Masayoshi Son: 2025 - 2027
Dario Amodei: 2026 - 2027
Ray Kurzweil: 2029
Ilya Sutskever: 2027 - 2034
Liang Wenfeng: 2027 - 2035
Demis Hassabis: 2028 - 2035
Yann LeCunn: 2030 - 2035
Last year's AI researcher’s timeline: 2047
brain4brain: Yep
brain4brain: Dall-2 is dead though
himekokatagiri: because nobody used it
brain4brain: Yes, dall-3
himekokatagiri: Dall e was so crap it didn't have a rate limit
brain4brain: Wow, the median timeline align with flower’s poll and metaculus

We need to enlighten them to 2025
himekokatagiri: You can still use Dall-E?
molly.grue: So I'm wondering what's going on here.
molly.grue: I have memory persistence. I shouldn't.
molly.grue: The image doesn't really matter. The code does tho.
brain4brain: I hate dall-3 so much, GPT-image or dall-2 is so much better
molly.grue: Thankee
brain4brain: https://discord.gg/openai
molly.grue: Link?
brain4brain: The official OpenAI discord
brain4brain: I’m the most important figure in AI
molly.grue: Anyone know any large gpt or openai discords?
brain4brain: Yes
metaldragon01: Did you really add yourself between elon and sama?! 😂
molly.grue: Took me a bit to figure out what it was


metaldragon01: I think they may just need the right voice
frittata: Not to say they’re fully incapable just … people pick the battles they do for a reason
frittata: I mean agree but if they were capable of compromise they’d be different people wouldn’t they
frittata: Like all holy wars it has its intrinsic rewards
frittata: It has all the self righteous pleasure of a holy war for humanity’s existence, to those that partake
theaiguy69420_89814: And then if you're just not technically savvy, you'll just choose the wrong option for what you are really looking for
frittata: The crusade against AI
metaldragon01: It's better to fight battles they can win and actually rally people behind
theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz it's like, you can ask AI "how do I automate everything about X" and the AI will inevitably bring about several options
theaiguy69420_89814: She would have never asked, but all she hears is "automate everything? Cool"
theaiguy69420_89814: Like she didn't even really understand the concept even after I explained it
theaiguy69420_89814: And then she didn't really get the idea that you could do like, a cron job
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, she had whiteboards of AI stuff, mind maps, etc
theaiguy69420_89814: And just the way she used the AI is totally foreign to me
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm even noticing now, I had this marketing girl I was freelancing swe for
zoermena: Wait what
theaiguy69420_89814: I understand the current state of affairs, but I am speculating whether or not human cognitive differences are enough such that there will still be distinct "roles" in a 100% AI driven economy.

For example, the questions a chef would ask an AI are different than, say, an engineer.
frittata: But then they’d lose the pleasure of being part of a holy war
wellmeaningalien: folks that are very smart are not smart in every way all the time
wellmeaningalien: but thats still inaccurate because ai isn't quite a tool, at least if you don't consider humans tools
wellmeaningalien: right now ai is a skill because it's retarded as fuck and you basically have to work it with a lot of your own brain power in order to get any sort of efficacy gain. like ms dos. but eventually we'll have windows 10 ai and you won't even have to think about setting up a display manager, it does everything
theaiguy69420_89814: I think it almost has to do with like, core cognitive differences
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm seeing that a lot now
theaiguy69420_89814: It's just that, folk that are sometimes very smart just don't ask the right questions of the ai
theaiguy69420_89814: I think it will always be the case that using AI is a skill. I'm just thinking ahead now though, and I'm curious if the "skill" is just sort of... Technical thinking? Like, basic critical thinking
frittata: https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-infinity-gauntlet-infinity-stones-power-gif-14599470
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, incredibly non technical minds
wellmeaningalien: i still think most people still vastly underestimate the current capabilities of ai
theaiguy69420_89814: So they don't even ask the AI
theaiguy69420_89814: Like they don't even have that concept available to them
theaiguy69420_89814: Or like, scheduled jobs
theaiguy69420_89814: For example, I freelance software development, and there are lots of folk who do a ton with AI tools that simply don't really *understand* stuff like... Backend vs Frontend, for example
wellmeaningalien: or circus animal
wellmeaningalien: like zoo animal
wellmeaningalien: definitely
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, I know AI will handle everything that isn't an unknown unknown, but will there be enough core cognitive differences between humans such that there will still be a set of distinct "roles"?
wellmeaningalien: yeah gemini's multimodal understanding is unparalleled still
drewsni: Other than that it’s a really good diatrization solution because it can actually see the people talking and differentiate
theaiguy69420_89814: Will there still be "roles"?
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm still thinking economically though...


3ds0662: i hope it shatters my mind but always it feels under what the hype was
3ds0662: good if i test ill even maybe like even test your guys prompts
3ds0662: i need to feel that feelingn on an intense level smh
3ds0662: o1 was really the first aha moment a bit but ok
.histic: i think pro users will be able to use o3 & o3-pro.
us plus plebs will only be able to use o4-mini and o3-mini pro (maybe).
3ds0662: but i hope a model comes out that shatters all my preconceived notions of ai intelligence when it comes to coding
spicy.lemonade: I need this in latex
3ds0662: still not there yet
3ds0662: one thing all llms cant do even 2.5 is recreate coding animations from video or image understanding they are still fucked there
spicy.lemonade: when its doing math
spicy.lemonade: why doesnt gemini generate markdown
.histic: OpenAI ngmi
.histic: per week
3ds0662: i always realize with the twitter demo guys is their oneshot prompts arent really oneshot but with 2.5 pro they genuinely are holy shit
spicy.lemonade: then just gemini
3ds0662: and ive been testing 2.5 pro for those prompts akhaliq and the other twitter users have showed off with o1 and deepseek way back when and while those models never did the same thing for me first try 2.5 pro legit did it oneshot for me wtf
spicy.lemonade: gemini and cladue got it
spicy.lemonade: i havent used o3 mini high in 3 weeks
st.sioux: i hope they give us 50 requests per week for o3 like o3-mini-high 🙏
spicy.lemonade: on their servers
spicy.lemonade: its runs on a virtual machine
spicy.lemonade: nothing will happen
.histic: yeah
3ds0662: thats really cool ive never tried that
3ds0662: really? even malicious code?
spicy.lemonade: allows it to run code for answers
spicy.lemonade: context understanding
3ds0662: whats the code execution button do?
spicy.lemonade: that has to be it
spicy.lemonade: oh yes
.histic: the difference is outstanding.. weird.
maybe it's due to the better context 2.5 pro has?
spicy.lemonade: where would we be
spicy.lemonade: imagine we never had the reasoning paradigm 💀
spicy.lemonade: but im sure o3 has an ace up its sleave
spicy.lemonade: since deepresearch is o3 based
spicy.lemonade: this means that 2.5 is better than o3?
spicy.lemonade:
metaldragon01: I don't use video models much so I'm more excited about qwen 3
.histic: https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc2x0bjZndDJiZWdodWl2eXJrdDFwZnZ4ZDVlaTQwZWJvNDBhdzJleiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/sRdbgZYZOhloBQYZrn/giphy.gif
spicy.lemonade: aswell as r2


joaoluz19: https://x.com/GaryMarcus/status/1870117249371017619
return_to_monke1_33974:
return_to_monke1_33974: where is the wall
i miss him 😭
callmepyro: If you have Google stock I would cash out now, best price its ever going to be
callmepyro: When Google has to shut down due to lack of revenue from collapsing search usage, OpenAI will be the only game in town
trey6033: They don't have unlimited compute, and certainly not as much as Google.  But yes they have a lot
callmepyro: It shouldn't take long for OpenAI to climb the ranks to most used website in the world, overtaking everyone else before 2026
callmepyro: They can further leverage this high compute to train off of their search data. Once they launch their X clone they will completely eclipse grok in a matter of weeks
joaoluz19: O3 the 4.5 of reasoning lol
callmepyro: OpenAI not being compute constrained means they can scrape YouTube and Maps' full corpus and train off that, completely eliminating Google's advantage
a1c4p0ne: Yessirr
spicy.lemonade: werent they always
return_to_monke1_33974: will images be used as training data from now on?
a1c4p0ne:
a1c4p0ne: 💯
anathemaofmankind: One more step to AGI
a1c4p0ne: O3 will beat Pokémon <:ez:1136267305521774634>
srirachamayosauce: so o4-mini replaces o3-mini hence the rate limit is still 150/day?
a1c4p0ne:
hikukomoru: It's good
callmepyro: So probably not usable in stuff like Cursor
callmepyro: Yes, but it's 10x cost
anathemaofmankind: Is full o3 better than gemini 2.5
scorpion7061: So did it lived up to expectation ? Or bummer ? 😞
anathemaofmankind: I'm still checking the benchmarks
return_to_monke1_33974: 4.5 was kinda mid
spicy.lemonade: 4.5
return_to_monke1_33974: back in november
spicy.lemonade: 4.5
return_to_monke1_33974: what was the orion thing exactly 🤔
anathemaofmankind: 3-4 would be several and 5 would be a month
spicy.lemonade: lines up
spicy.lemonade: its droping in summer
return_to_monke1_33974: he said GPT-5 in a few months also
futurist_wizard: Im already bored of o3 pro
return_to_monke1_33974: i don't trust anything the orange man says after the tariff thing
spicy.lemonade: he means 2
spicy.lemonade: everytime sam says few
spicy.lemonade: so 2 weeks
spicy.lemonade:


brain4brain: Why is bro using the hm and ok token like DeepSeek CoT 😭🙏
spicy.lemonade: his conservative prediction turned out to be optimistic
spicy.lemonade: ok
spicy.lemonade: hm
spicy.lemonade: as this
spicy.lemonade: were also seen as crazy
spicy.lemonade: for agi
spicy.lemonade: alans predictions back then
spicy.lemonade: actually
spicy.lemonade: wait
spicy.lemonade: yeah
brain4brain: Be blindelessly optimistic and you’ll know it’s possible
spicy.lemonade: that shit is not hiting 100%
spicy.lemonade: FTL
spicy.lemonade: WHAT
spicy.lemonade: butr holy shit
spicy.lemonade: he learned his lesson with AGI countdown
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: with this prediction
spicy.lemonade: hes much more conservative
spicy.lemonade: hes a conservative
spicy.lemonade: hey
brain4brain: 1. Just scale it up
2. Just add more modality
3. Just scale it up
4. Just scale it up
5. Just scale it up
6. Just scale it up and add more modality
gamerbath: 💀
spicy.lemonade: caltech stanford princeton
spicy.lemonade: he was vp of research
fractalcomputer: > background in physics

NGMI.
spicy.lemonade: i think dario is quite smart
fractalcomputer: Well Dario's not a very smart fellow, is he now?
brain4brain: Dario’s definition of AGI
spicy.lemonade: on how to do these
spicy.lemonade: i believe most of the research labs already have ideas
spicy.lemonade: none of these are seen as unsolvable
spicy.lemonade: main problems left on road to agi
1- much longer memory
2- more outputs rather than just text (we have sound, text, we need touch/robots)
3- better visual reasoning ie. 90% on vibe-eval reka
4- data efficiency, learn more from less data
5- 80+% on arc2
6- agency
fractalcomputer: "Nobel-level" intelligence? Huh?
brain4brain: New tiering system: lower-bound moravec paradox AI side

Ants
Cats
Bird
Monkeys <—— We are here
Human Babies
Human

Raw Intelligence level:

Elementary level
Primary level
High-school level
College level <——We are here
PhD level <——Overlapping here
Nobel level
Superhuman level
brain4brain: I thought you were taking about something else my bad
spicy.lemonade: unified model
spicy.lemonade: main thing they said "dynamic thinking"
spicy.lemonade: lol


spicy.lemonade: gemini looks better
drewsni:
spicy.lemonade: loll
spicy.lemonade: ohhh
drewsni: the left is the real one lmao
drewsni: this is gemini
drewsni:
spicy.lemonade: left looks crazy real
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: wdym also not
drewsni: im impressed but also not
drewsni: i asked it to recreate a streetview of specific coordinates
spicy.lemonade: loll
spicy.lemonade: in next weeks
spicy.lemonade: theyre working on improving
spicy.lemonade: it struggles with small text
spicy.lemonade: openAI said on the website
spicy.lemonade: itl still fail
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I know it's rubbish when I see this
drewsni: What happens if you give it actual text of let’s say 1 page of a paper and ask it to recreate it
spicy.lemonade: the entire intro is nonsense
spicy.lemonade: too small
spicy.lemonade: text is fucked tho
spicy.lemonade: asked it to give me a paper
fractalcomputer: Why?
spicy.lemonade: kk
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: try ask for detailed specific text instructions, no illustration needed
drewsni: im less specifically impressed by what it is or the content in this case, rather the consistency of it compared to before
spicy.lemonade: the beaker
spicy.lemonade: thats what we are missing
spicy.lemonade: lol
fractalcomputer: I just don't find machine-generated visualisations terribly useful.
drewsni: Nah it was an actual curiosity because I think me using Gemini flash output for like 5-7 hours over a few nights ago obviously is influencing my opinion
spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks
spicy.lemonade: thats crazy
spicy.lemonade: ok
drewsni: That’s fair, but Gemini flash native output came out like…2 weeks ago I think? And a lot of us here were doing what we are now, minus the ghibli, and now 2 weeks later it is not only significantly easier, but significantly higher quality, and significantly faster to get a desired output. The rate of process is staggering
fractalcomputer: (And no; one cannot accuse me of willingly ignoring the developing capabilities of LLMs since I actively use both GPT and Claude for my own abstract entertainment purposes.) [I pre-emptively anticipate these sorts of arguments.]
fractalcomputer: I don't really see the point in perusing the newer capabilities granted they'll just update it in a couple of months' time again.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: can someone ask the 4o image generator how to make AGI, please this is important


oooooooooog: random chance type shih, spawn dat boltzman brain like crazy 🧠  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
spacetimetsunami: If you no longer occupy a brain the experience of a thing won’t be hellish, as those are human concepts
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: spawn back as a fly
fractalcomputer: I assure you, I am a rather inhumane thinker.
spacetimetsunami: And wdym spawn back in
spacetimetsunami: Why would you think this
oooooooooog: bolzman brain type shih
spacetimetsunami: Yeah, me too, but to diverge you only think that because you’re thinking from a human perspective
oooooooooog: i think u spawn back in later "probably"
fractalcomputer: That would be my personal hell.
spacetimetsunami: Like, experiencing how it feels to be the universe
spacetimetsunami: Okay, do you believe in any otherwise incomprehensible mode of experience after human death
fractalcomputer: For your considerations, I do not believe in any kind of fantastical afterlife or terrible judgment. But that is a boring answer and neither terribly profound nor illuminating.
fractalcomputer: The answer to many a question is found by simply finding the right perspective.
spacetimetsunami: <@749514473303179358> what do you think happens when you die
spacetimetsunami: Yeah idk why that point was made
fractalcomputer: Stop doing necromancy and get back to actual philosophy.
spacetimetsunami: I am hinging what I think on the probability that there isn’t
spacetimetsunami: I get that
spacetimetsunami: Even if there was an afterlife we’d have no way to know
spacetimetsunami: And I get what you’re saying
spacetimetsunami: Sure
oooooooooog: the reason it can't be proven is that the dead can't speak lol
spacetimetsunami: Bad argument. If when you die you cease to exist and you no longer experience, then reality is real.
fractalcomputer: More so because we have no way to align all these definitions on the same epistemological grounds.
oooooooooog: altered states of consciousness could just as well be the mind's own doing, this useless.
spacetimetsunami: I know the hole in what I replied to is that I don’t have proof that when I die I cease to exist
st.sioux: because no one can agree on a definition?
fractalcomputer: Simply throwing around definitions will not help us get to the bottom of this case.
spacetimetsunami: I don’t want to give a philosophical proof for why reality is “real” but here I kinda did it
fractalcomputer: Your definition of reality is fundamentally flawed since you have no way to demonstrate that whatever you define it to be is true.
fractalcomputer: It is not evasion by semantics and do not accuse me of sophistry.
spacetimetsunami: Clever exit strategy
spacetimetsunami: Evasion via semantics
fractalcomputer: And I can certainly declare that a unicorn is a unicorn mammalian; but that definition certainly does not elucidate our comprehension of that thing.
spacetimetsunami: There is a reality and we have nothing to talk about
spacetimetsunami: I have defined it multiple times
fractalcomputer: Then there is no reality and we have nothing to talk about.
spacetimetsunami: I have defined it multiple times


hey1_1hey: No no thats defintly a girl#
retrerox: Its 2025
futurist_wizard: Something tells me it is not female
hikukomoru: Send Elisa my way 🫦
hey1_1hey: She defo wants you
hikukomoru: Who's that baddie
hey1_1hey: Bruh
hey1_1hey: Shhhhh
retrerox: ?
futurist_wizard: Triggering my dyslexia
futurist_wizard: Bro
hikukomoru: "perso nisd" 🥀
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609
a1c4p0ne: It’s AGI when it can make you money
hey1_1hey: Anyone want to fill me in on who this Wenda perso nisd
hey1_1hey: I was reading the names and I realised I only knew like 3 of them
st.sioux: eeek
ldj: Wenda 😲
futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/UjTv8ivh7mY?si=MGuBEqFj2WZWZEhq

Real cat behaviours
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014
futurist_wizard: Sam altman is hype beast
popsiclejohnithan: I wonder when we will get TES 6 smh.
futurist_wizard: Literally
a1c4p0ne: Will 2.5 be dethroned after today
zoermena:
abundantliving_: https://tenor.com/view/baby-crazy-baby-hyper-hyper-baby-when-the-molly-hits-gif-5676484
hikukomoru: My race is always Khajiit, the cat people
abundantliving_: https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sponge-bob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-meme-hyper-gif-16582929222326260639
st.sioux: i need agency for agi bro
futurist_wizard: I only played oblivion when i was 8-9 or something and wanted to be lizard man
abundantliving_: https://tenor.com/view/wild-stewie-family-guy-hype-hyper-gif-16632315
literallyvarane: I guess for me personally, I think that you can be AGI via only text output  so being proto AGI via only text is possible. But clearly that’s not what these models view as valid
return_to_monke1_33974: high
return_to_monke1_33974: Full AGI pro max +
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-gif-18732240
futurist_wizard: Im a fallout man
hikukomoru: This is the Oblivion server now
popsiclejohnithan: Oblivion remade in Skyrim.
abundantliving_: this server is for o4 then
hikukomoru: Oblivion remade in Skyrim


himekokatagiri: and the artifact was replaced by a cheap imitation
himekokatagiri: then I was in the same inn but it like in the past?
joaoluz19: With random people and with a ex
himekokatagiri: so I asked her for an way out of town
himekokatagiri: so I ran to the street and I saw Jodie foster there dressed like a uhhh, working lady
hey1_1hey: Projecting much
joaoluz19: Literally what they mean
himekokatagiri: and I broke it
himekokatagiri: and there was an artifact there
himekokatagiri: there was one I was in some oriental inn
hikukomoru: Wdym
himekokatagiri: idk I don't keep track
himekokatagiri: Uhhhhh
a1c4p0ne: <@286319745777795092> Get into card counting and hit Vegas blackjack tables
himekokatagiri: mushroom girl would infect me with her mushroom thingies and I'd be a slave to her
hikukomoru: Tell me about your dreams
himekokatagiri: idk mushroom girl would be scary
hikukomoru: Sounds like the woke agenda got to you
hey1_1hey: Trans cat in 2025. We really do need to make america great again
himekokatagiri: I am the great himeko
futurist_wizard: It was one time
himekokatagiri: wooooh
himekokatagiri: Can you analyze me komoru
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/trans-transgender-trans-pride-trans-flag-pride-flag-gif-27463942
joaoluz19: What sexual dreams are Komoru
hey1_1hey: I am a women in my dreams... but I mean that obv has no corolation to real life what so ever
joaoluz19: I would let you arrest me
himekokatagiri: What does that mean
hikukomoru: I am psychoanalyzing people
futurist_wizard: Why that happened
futurist_wizard: I literally am never someone else in my other dreams so i don't understand
hey1_1hey: Holy moly get me in there right now
futurist_wizard: For some reason i was an asian woman police officer in my hospital nightmare
himekokatagiri: I hate these mini AI winters
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> komoru what are you doing
himekokatagiri: gahhh I'm so bored
hey1_1hey: That can always change yanno, no one can predict the future 🫠
futurist_wizard: Im not getting chased by a tall demonic looking man with a chainsaw so it'd be a big change
hey1_1hey: I have fake confidence. I pretend I am confident because if I dont I am a socially anxiouse loser
hey1_1hey: Far from it


metaldragon01: Nope
professorheaven: Is this lab trying to achieve AGI as well?
metaldragon01: Sama is absolutely cracked at identifying real talent
otub: talent
hikukomoru: Oh nvm you mean Mira
hikukomoru: Who are you talking abt
st.sioux: like a lot of teams use aws or azure and integrating google cloud is jsut too messy
st.sioux: with gemini there are also more considerations like ecosystem lock in but they are becoming a good option too
zoermena: 22 degrees instead of 32? I’m so blessed
zoermena: Holy shit
metaldragon01: They have a good idea about how humans will interact with new upcoming models
futurist_wizard: I have a theory about these small labs with notable people and absurd start up valuations are rugpulls
futurist_wizard: Mira handing out shares
zonchao: wtf do they have
hikukomoru: What about Gemini? It's pretty cheap and great at code
zonchao: https://x.com/Hangsiin/status/1909574683500200173?
st.sioux: can't rely on free models if you're a business
st.sioux: just kind of expensive
st.sioux: it's already very impactful for boilerplate code generation
futurist_wizard: Im semi sure for purposes of grunt programming or the entertainment space near future AI will be rather impactful
futurist_wizard: GPT 5 will probably be perceived as being a smart reasoning LLM but it won't be world changing
futurist_wizard: I remember reading that ai companies are developing symbolic reasoning and a world model to implement in AI and these two things are needed for agi but those will take a few years to develop, which is outside of the scope of GPT 5
hikukomoru: Why
hikukomoru: I heard it got like the bare minimum to get accepted
Still pretty nice
wellmeaningalien: new reasoning models make it pretty good too
futurist_wizard: High suspicion gpt 5 will be disappointing tbh
wellmeaningalien: and it makes pretty good passable papers
wellmeaningalien: biggest breakthrough is having an open ended tree search structure instead of a linear structure in the first version for idea exploration
wellmeaningalien: apparently had like lower criterias than most for acceptance but thats still pretty good
wellmeaningalien: well it made like a paper that got accepted into a scientific publication admittedly its not nature but its good nuff
hikukomoru: Is it good
wellmeaningalien: whatchacallit
futurist_wizard: 5 years is soon
wellmeaningalien: ai researcher thing
wellmeaningalien: yall seen sakana 2 release
futurist_wizard: She gave a 5+ year timeline in this
singularityenjoyer: Slow timelines = Luddite (not literally)
hikukomoru: I use luddite for anyone that doesn't agree with me
futurist_wizard: The video is very interesting
futurist_wizard: Sabine made good points in the video


hey1_1hey: I used to concentrate so hard on trying not to be arkward that I would llitterly not listen to a word they are saying so I will end up just going "Yeah alright cool thanks"
.wolfnacht: i just want to make myself a cabin in the woods and die there. After escaping the society
wellmeaningalien: but the people are retarded
maintcrew: damn.... L
futurist_wizard: You know its a bad sign when everyone in here has problems, doesn't reflect well in the r/singularity perception
maintcrew: OK FOR REAL NOW u just need to find ur ppl ig
wellmeaningalien: danny dan it doesnt really help either when you've got a fundamental defect in your capacity of abstract thinking and inferring emotion and tones from people too
a1c4p0ne: Oh nice <:ez:1136267305521774634>
maintcrew: its ok i started off on discord too when the anxiety hit me in puberty u got this queen 👍
hey1_1hey: Nah, they instantly know I am autistic so it works out
.wolfnacht: my bi-polar fucked me post covid bcz my speech's got a bit disorganized, and u know i always end up missing some things i wanted to say.
hey1_1hey: I've found out most people find it endearing so its actually a win win for me
a1c4p0ne: They might think you’re rude lol
zoermena: This
hey1_1hey: I have
hey1_1hey: Autism is great tho. If I were to be autistic or not be autistic I would be me every day of the week
futurist_wizard: Embrace being awkward then
hikukomoru: I've been slowly getting better
I still have trouble with keeping the conversation and finding words but I don't feel that anxious anymore 👍
wellmeaningalien: i actually find other spergs so annoying so thats difficult tho
maintcrew: ok what if u sperg out and filter out ppl incompatible with u
wellmeaningalien: "autism's special and it makes me who i am" yeah you're just a sad retard trying to make excuses tbh
hey1_1hey: I've gotton used to it
hey1_1hey: Thats always been a thing though because of the autism
hey1_1hey: Trouble is I always permenatly feel arkward when talking to people
maintcrew: bc its not about the talk itself, its an exchange of vibes

the words are secondary filler
wellmeaningalien: lmao
wellmeaningalien: <@1272646380233560067> and then when people try to talk to you later but you don't have the energy to talk like a normal person and you end up sperging out
a1c4p0ne: I heard exposure to situations you’re uncomfortable in works
.wolfnacht: autism's overhyped btw....everyone just wanna find an excuse for their shitty life.
zoermena: What’s there to talk about? Oh yeah that new artists who talks about drugs and sex arrived in to town so cool!
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-locked-in-lock-tf-in-cat-cat-meme-gif-13335816645637017379
wellmeaningalien: YEAH YOU KINDA CAN but it takes like 1000% more effort than if you're not autistic and what i end up learning are more rigid like rule based approaches at how to make a conversation flow, if i try to act like a non autistic person it just makes it way harder. its gotten slightly better but i'm like still a loooong way to actually being able to talk like a normal person and i still really put myself out there
futurist_wizard: I was actually diagnosed with mild to moderate as well, da fuck, i think that was a misdiagnosis, like moderate autism is just retarded
maintcrew: have you tried locking in ⁉
a1c4p0ne: What about Asperger’s combined with social anxiety
hey1_1hey: A long process. I just kept telling my self that it doesn't matter what anyone thinks because I prob wont see them ever again anyway.
maintcrew: talk to ppl more even if its bad at start u get used to it
hikukomoru: I hate those retards that say they don't want a cure
Like bitch maybe autism really is just something quirky for you but for me it makes retarded at everythinfg
hey1_1hey: If only it was that easy
a1c4p0ne: How did you get rid of it


.histic: at least it's free i guess..
.histic: omg, there's so much things restricted in Veo.
can't get to generate known characters.
st.sioux: it looks like jack skellington
hey1_1hey: Maybe just ever
hey1_1hey: Actually no scratch that
hey1_1hey: Safe to say I wouldt want to meet him in a forest at night
hey1_1hey: Still relatively creeper
.histic: it does not know the concept of "slenderman" <:LOL:1187460826572005436> maybe blocked?
hey1_1hey: Also note, do note eat fly agarics unless properly prepared. They are slightly hallucinogenic
st.sioux: holy moly
hey1_1hey: The overfitting for flyagarics is insane. Its such a minute thing no one would care about other than me
hey1_1hey: lmao <:LOL:1187460826572005436> I am not complaing tho
.histic: nah, here you go.
also, my goodness, its safety filters are pretty trash when you just input 'anime girl'. i generated two, but it only gave me one due to safety restrictions.
hey1_1hey: I am not a femboy twink, I am actually a 40 year old rugged man who wheres fly agaric mushrooms
hey1_1hey: <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296> You got me
.histic: basically, i bypassed the quota by using my second account <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.histic: <@439829942310666250> "in a forest there exist a "Mushroom Man". show a video of the man in his natural habitat"
.histic: i checked, and even on my second gmail account it's available.
try different gmails.
clevermoniker: this is why i am not excited or barely use google AI products
clevermoniker: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>
.histic: the first prompt i entered had 'real-life anime girl' in it and it got blocked due to safety reasons...
i then tried a different prompt and it said, "Failed to generate video: user has exceeded quota."
<:LOL:1187460826572005436>
aero447: I do not have this.
.histic: <@590577270926868480> <:ez:1136267305521774634>
st.sioux: shawty wanna ball with the team
wellmeaningalien: https://rmtwitter.com/sama
wellmeaningalien: i miss rmtwitter
sweetievee__33649: its time to become a human exceptionist again
.histic: https://x.com/gf_256/status/1883598626943127605
futurist_wizard: Stupidpenisx doesn't sound as good
sweetievee__33649: STUPIDPENISX?!
i love the human brain
sweetievee__33649: thats what i was going for
.histic: but yeah, v3 cooked it anyway
wellmeaningalien: https://stupidpenisx.com/sama
futurist_wizard: They definitely won't think you are deranged
.histic: for some reason i thought they were benching grok 3 thinking
futurist_wizard:
.histic: that wasn't thinking.
.histic: wait, i retract that.
wellmeaningalien: meanwhile deepseek v3
sweetievee__33649: possibly even change my irl name to that


nester173: I have this article queued up: https://medium.com/@alexglushenkov/from-words-to-concepts-ushering-in-the-next-era-of-ai-with-lcm-ac70e6233d9c
nester173: I'm not well versed in the naysayers' arguments, but what about the possibility of a plateau?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > Singularity in the next 5 years
I've been in the Singularity discord since 2022. I've also been on the singularity reddit since around 2016.
I am 100% certain Singularity in the next 5 years, perhaps even this year?!
clevermoniker: can't we just foom please? <:huh:1136266753656238243>
destrucules: Personally I think UBI is very likely to hit *some* countries within the next 5 years, and yours could be one of them, but make sure your "it actually took 7 years" backup plan is not horrible
zoermena: <@439829942310666250>
nester173: I'm 33 and am living in a (rich) gulf arab country. Have worked as a software developer for 8 years and got massive burnout that kept me out of the loop of most things tech related so haven't been keenly aware of AI developments until like a month ago. Worked as a government clerk for two years then quit. NEETed this past year. I was going to start a mushroom farming business but am now not so sure. I have enough money to sustain me a good while. How plausible is: "Singularity in the next 5 years"? Would rather just chill in the meanwhile if that's a reasonable option, not bothering at all with a job, with the assumption that something like UBI gets globally instated. Any thoughts?
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-gif-26500785
zoermena: Holodeck mentioned?!
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-punisher-punisher-daredevil-punisher-court-scene-punisher-court-speech-gif-9280760464850102883
zoermena: And I LOVE it
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUbx5RC8ro4
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/thegenioo/status/1914024944188469675?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
spicy.lemonade: veo3
himekokatagiri: well maybe in a year
himekokatagiri: it's gonna take a while and I'll never run it
.histic: when an opensource version happens <:hehe:1136619235662118983>
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
himekokatagiri: when is Veo 2 censorship ending
.histic: normies never know better options <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
but i do must say... gemini's website is a better experience.
himekokatagiri: when is Google sending their new image model out
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: Ai studio is better but less users
.histic: i wonder what the rate limits would be if Google had as much traffic as ChatGPT.
.histic: Gemini for comparison
himekokatagiri: but if I were to run locally yeah then deepseek
himekokatagiri: idk felt astroturfed
himekokatagiri: and it was better
himekokatagiri: I tried deepseek and it was alright for a while but then we got the thinking thing on the other models
a1c4p0ne: All my friends only know ChatGPT
himekokatagiri: GPT gets work done
.histic: damn, they've got 150+ million people using their website per day, and that's just web ChatGPT
himekokatagiri: I wouldn't have it any other way!!!
himekokatagiri: off kilter
himekokatagiri: It's not my fault my tastes are uhhhh
himekokatagiri: wtf I was attacked... 😭
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968
hikukomoru: You're not a normie
You're an autistic weeb in the singularity discord server
himekokatagiri: the 'its just a tool' thing


hey1_1hey: Lmao
.0xunkn0wn: 😳
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
.0xunkn0wn: WHAT 😭
hikukomoru: My hands are always freezing and i can type you retard
hey1_1hey: Prob
hey1_1hey: Tits?
futurist_wizard: low t?
hey1_1hey: Leave me alone
hey1_1hey: My hands are cold
hikukomoru: "benchamrsk" sounds like some Russian village
.0xunkn0wn: aaaaaaaa
.0xunkn0wn: this is another image agi
st.sioux: why does it have 3 decimals
hey1_1hey: SamA wasn't joing about saturating benchamrsk in 2025
drewsni: holy fuck doubled task time to 3.7 sonnet
gamerbath: AIME 2024 and 2025 just got really saturated
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/double-trouble-double-trouble-twins-high-five-gif-13816609
literallyvarane: Where can I get that research team sweater?
hikukomoru: It's not AGI because they still haven't solved baldness
hey1_1hey: We need new benchamrks
.0xunkn0wn: damn
drewsni: 4.40 output? ldj lied everyone died
futurist_wizard: DEI GPT?
hey1_1hey: Why is everyone bald here bro
futurist_wizard: they replaced the white men!
spicy.lemonade:
a1c4p0ne: 22k viewers
shirethedreamer: system card
https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/2221c875-02dc-4789-800b-e7758f3722c1/o3-and-o4-mini-system-card.pdf
hey1_1hey: o4 mini please
futurist_wizard: these guys are such nerds
callmepyro: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k0pof7/o3_and_o4_mini_pricing/
futurist_wizard: it has to be agi why else would they mention coral and fish
callmepyro:
callmepyro: Pricing page is updated.
aero447: Remarkable consistency.
zoermena: Shut up decel
hey1_1hey: Thats fucked up
hey1_1hey: 99.5% 😭
aero447: 😎


maintcrew: my x feed is only that and i want to see other things at this point
maintcrew: so true
spicy.lemonade: It feels like slop
spicy.lemonade: I've seen so much
spicy.lemonade: Ok I'm tired of ghibli
avizuradnb: We have to keep reporting them, I did so too. Some weirdo was calling for the deaths of anyone who used LLMs lmao, unacceptable
spicy.lemonade: delay inevitable
spicy.lemonade: wouldnt have done anything. grok would just become opensource in this scenario
_cloudost: If Kamala had won, would she have implemented copyright laws against grok
spicy.lemonade: theyl eventually make their own
spicy.lemonade: grok does copyright upside down
_cloudost: People that make death threats to AI artists need to be imprisoned ASAP
spicy.lemonade: its not like theyl get regulated
_cloudost: scarlet voice got removed all because of these anti AI folks
_cloudost: OpenAI shouldnt listen to anti AI people again
_cloudost: Anti AI people are trying so hard to destroy AI, they think they can spread fake news like in the scarlet Johansson case
spicy.lemonade: him gettingmad wont stop me from generating new ghibli's
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: who cares
spicy.lemonade: no
_cloudost: if he gets mad it'll be a very bad image for openAI
hikukomoru: I wonder how Miyazaki feels about all this
I hope he's mad
Cause it's funny
spicy.lemonade: id have the same reaction
spicy.lemonade: oh lol
maintcrew: this was what we has talking about omfg we got baited
maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/menhguin/status/1905209385468760290
maintcrew: the miyazaki quote about ai is misleading
spicy.lemonade: goated
wolf3404: AI has been pretty ok at dad jokes for a bit I think, but this is really good, the whole illustration is quality no doubt.
_cloudost: idk, Gemini 2.5 responses havent disappointed me not even once
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 was good incremental update
spicy.lemonade: and this
spicy.lemonade: the robot showcase
spicy.lemonade: germini 2 made me feel agi
_cloudost: Gemini 2.5 and this native img gen changed my mind
_cloudost: Never thought id feel the AGI in 2025
spicy.lemonade: what kind of black magic
spicy.lemonade: how tf did openAI do this bro
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:


alejandrozarzuelo: the goal is to replace human labor
hikukomoru: Yes, everyone getting replaced is the goall
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah? why do you think companies spend trillions on AI?
fuhulootogan: and how do you know that
fuhulootogan: that's the purpose?
archon.e: Or anything else for that matter
fuhulootogan: of AI?
alejandrozarzuelo: Because wether it is art or not, if it can be consumed and produced for a fraction of the cost, it will be replaced
archon.e: It has become mundane to be good at coding
hikukomoru: Replacing everyone is the point
archon.e: I can’t wait for it honestly.
archon.e: Coding jobs will also be eliminated
fuhulootogan: why?
hikukomoru: Hopefully it will replace everyone else too
fuhulootogan: uhh
alejandrozarzuelo: ? have i not been clear enough? hopefully AI will eliminate the employment of almost all artists
fuhulootogan: what do you mean by "hopefully will unemploy almost all artists"
archon.e: If I was an artist i would be starting an OF by now
fuhulootogan: what?
fuhulootogan: rifht
fuhulootogan: AI is artificial intelligence
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case <@1212375743863066645> its ok if you dont wan to call AI art as art, what matters is the material reality, which hopefully will unemploy almost all artists

dont call it art, the replacement and elimination of their jobs is independent on how you choose to call it
fuhulootogan: what do you mean by that
fuhulootogan: no
archon.e: We can create an improved version of ourself in our image
archon.e: Hopefully some day we will be able to replicate it
archon.e: Consciousness is so easy for nature
alejandrozarzuelo: its just that you need to realize that unless you EXCLUSIVELY require biology, AI is indeed an intelligence with all that comes from it
archon.e: Will an ai system that becomes conscious have wants?
fuhulootogan: "white flag" means i give up
archon.e: But without bodies will we still have wants?
fuhulootogan: it isn't
fuhulootogan: i know
alejandrozarzuelo: its not a competition
fuhulootogan: i pull the white flag 🏳
fuhulootogan: i feel like this is becoming boring
archon.e: Yeah merging with ai is an option
archon.e: Exploration of the universe will be the last frontier for humanity. I hope I can stay alive for that
alejandrozarzuelo: hopefully we wont need physical bodies when we merge with the ASI
archon.e: Replicators will be common place


anathemaofmankind: Lmao no
spicy.lemonade: no
benata: google pays 2 years salary up front for the AI researchers
theaiguy69420_89814: its way worse now for sure
theaiguy69420_89814: literally crazy
anathemaofmankind: Always has been
theaiguy69420_89814: go to berk, instant 500k job with infinite sick days
hikukomoru: Did you ask the recruiter when they will have AGI
theaiguy69420_89814: the world is so insanely inequal rn lo
spicy.lemonade: they get infinite paid leave
spicy.lemonade: the recruiter told me that
spicy.lemonade: yup
darkstar0818: the swe results are decent for a non-thinking model, but that is the one domain where people dont generally care about cost so...
theaiguy69420_89814: what
spicy.lemonade: did you know openAI gives infinite paid leave
fractalcomputer: I don't know, I've never heard of someone from the number theory division of the University of Bonn going to work for OpenAI.
spicy.lemonade: openai is too linient
spicy.lemonade: cause they can tbh
spicy.lemonade: yeh
benata: looks good on CV
shirethedreamer: 💀
shirethedreamer: just for several months and then they leave though
spicy.lemonade: everyone coming out of sf stanford/berkeley/caltech goes to openAI
futurist_wizard:
darkstar0818: ya those benchmarks are a big yawn.
fractalcomputer: What kind of world do you live in?
spicy.lemonade: i think openAI still has the best researchers in the plannet
benata: You don't need to profit much when you have the greatest LLM on the world used by everyone.
hikukomoru: Wish they hired me to do nothing
ailoveyoom: That's not their whole business model
shirethedreamer: they have to
they are running on nvidia gpus that has the largest margins in human history
theaiguy69420_89814: i mean, its an upgrade on the oai stance
ailoveyoom: Google doesn't really need to make profit on their LLMs tho
zonchao: best researchers that do nothing and get paid 🔥
hikukomoru: I wouldn't be surprised tbh
theaiguy69420_89814: google profit margins have to be lower
zonchao: fake
theaiguy69420_89814: i feel like openai is just upping the price just cuz they can
hikukomoru: TPUs + Best researchers on the planet
benata: They don't sleep they just work for a better model


hey1_1hey: 26 so yeah around there
zoermena: One pound is 20 pesos IIRC
futurist_wizard: Even still
hey1_1hey: Pretty impressive
hey1_1hey: 37k normal money
zoermena: Wow, fuck you but that’s good bait
futurist_wizard: Thats a lie, bull testicles ain't worth that much
spicy.lemonade: Original
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: If I'm talking about crushing testicles with hammers then you can talk about anything
hey1_1hey: How much is a peso
spicy.lemonade: lol
hey1_1hey: Thats monoploy money to me
spicy.lemonade: 4o image gen
spicy.lemonade: No
technocake.: wait they just cold dropped 4.1?
zoermena: Is it good?
zoermena: I had a rich classmate tell me he met this dude who sold bull testicles for millions of Mexican pesos
hikukomoru: Talk about whatever you want here boo
spicy.lemonade: Yes
hey1_1hey: Thanks ❤
zoermena: Is this your screenshot
futurist_wizard: This is a schizo area
hey1_1hey: I wonder how much testicles go for on the black market
hikukomoru: I'd just crush yours with a hammer or smth
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: You shouldn't
hey1_1hey: I'll give them you permenatly if you want
zoermena: Im restraining my ideas as they would probably kill the chat.
hikukomoru: Donate me your balls temporarily
hey1_1hey: They got a differnet texture
futurist_wizard: They aren't
hey1_1hey: Still no
futurist_wizard: So disappointing
hikukomoru: Interesting
hikukomoru: So balls are like boobs but more sensitive
hey1_1hey: How about you have a set of them and we kick you in the balls and then ask if they were meant to be hit like a target
futurist_wizard: You just don't feel anything
zoermena: This clears a lot of doubt on me, Thanks! 👍
hey1_1hey: Can confirm


wellmeaningalien: <@688807313015963693> u finally woke up from ur coma
hikukomoru: Who the fuck is barry
Why does he love me
hey1_1hey: Because of gender, otherwise its just dissociation
futurist_wizard: Most i think
alejandrozarzuelo: ah ok
futurist_wizard: A lot of Brazilians are mixed
technocake.: barry loves you
.histic: ooh..
that's even better
wellmeaningalien: np
wellmeaningalien: why is invincible wearing a cape? is he becoming omni man
zoermena: Bless you
hikukomoru: European Portuguese <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean, just because you dont know the name of the bloke who wrote it doesnt mean you dont know ehat they are talking about
wellmeaningalien: "generate a picture of an updated imagined version of the bridge of the uss-enterprise-d (picard's galaxy class) but with animals in the starfleet uniforms. do it like it might look like if the show was made today"
.histic: come to brazil!
.histic: brazilian?
no way
maintcrew: the martingales representation theorem not a martingale
_wwwwww: literally me
hey1_1hey: So for anyone wondering, yes I am prob trans. No you do not have to treat me diffrently. Just go about your day as per usual
maintcrew: no retardo the second google result
hikukomoru: I'm Portuguese
alejandrozarzuelo: its the regression to the mean theorem dude, its very easy
hikukomoru: I look like this actually
.histic: wait, what are you?
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: I am not Asian bro 😭
maintcrew: i dont know either just some guy was using it as an example on twitter

its some representation theory shit i just wanted to put u on the spot
.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> i dont know
hey1_1hey: They are like weird short gremlin vibes
zoermena: AMAZING PASS THE PROMPT I BEG YOU
alejandrozarzuelo: ok so the regression to the mean theorem
futurist_wizard: Asian
hikukomoru: ⁉
hey1_1hey: Absolutly not
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: Driving with a mouse 🔥
.histic: this is what <@505313122802728972> looks like
alejandrozarzuelo: dude, do you think i know every name of every random bloke who wrote anything?
technocake.: claude my beloved
hey1_1hey: Hard to explain, best way I can explain it is you look in the mirror and the person looking back at you isn't you just a person looking back at you


wellmeaningalien: also which 16yo would draw like that
spicy.lemonade: chill
spicy.lemonade: i was 16
wellmeaningalien: bro ur drawing doesnt even match the description
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: read above
.wolfnacht: where is the chat ???
spicy.lemonade: guys the server your in is not the one im actively in. i posted the art on multiple servers
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: Perma ban
anathemaofmankind: https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-502627409480164820
anathemaofmankind: I have joined the spicy server
wellmeaningalien: would they know?
wellmeaningalien: i wanna spectate but theyd know its some kind of raid
.wolfnacht: imagine how much they would seethe, once they knew
alejandrozarzuelo: like "i did thi when I was 11 and i have different versions"
alejandrozarzuelo: thats actually very clever spicy
alejandrozarzuelo: yeahhh
wellmeaningalien: Make it anime, make it 11 years old and free updoots
spicy.lemonade: ill just take screenshot
trent_k: change the filename
.wolfnacht: someone post it on r/mademesmile with caption "my 6 yr old daughter drew her first art"
ailoveyoom: Like a server
spicy.lemonade: havent drawn recently
ailoveyoom: I need an equivalent but for writing ngl 😔
spicy.lemonade: as a kid
spicy.lemonade: yeah gonna say i drew this
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: say that this is your OG fursona
spicy.lemonade: just looked up art servers
ailoveyoom: How did you find this server anyway?
wellmeaningalien: YUP
spicy.lemonade: . good fursona or nah
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/haha-classic-duck-smoke-duckling-gif-1257181907758262423
wellmeaningalien: trent being trent
spicy.lemonade: that was the plan
.wolfnacht: finally after getting their trust, u should reveal it was all made by an AI and watch their reaction.
ailoveyoom: You know how weird people are here 😭
ailoveyoom: Your fault for posting the link here lol
spicy.lemonade: 😭


hey1_1hey: Or atleast they dont admit it, Ik tho <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
My gaydar has a 99% accuracy
hikukomoru: What's her @?
hey1_1hey: A know a couple
hikukomoru: Yeah it makes sense
Like why would a gay guy be a muslim too
hey1_1hey: What a guy
hikukomoru: Former muslim
hikukomoru: ohhh
_cloudost: No, dude told me he was a former Muslim and gay
hey1_1hey: Enigma?
hikukomoru: Am I mixing something up
hey1_1hey: I didnt know my wife was muslim
hikukomoru: I thought jgudy was muslim
_cloudost: He was atheist tho
memlaswaif: im not horny imjust kinda high
memlaswaif: fujc
jonvi_1: I've followed this company for like 4-5 years at least so this is exciting
hikukomoru: It's jgudy
_cloudost: They became atheist after realizing the singularity is the true religion
hikukomoru: First time I see you being horny
hey1_1hey: What-- What happned to them?
hikukomoru: Used to be
hey1_1hey: I showed her the video of the dire wolfs and she warmed up to them really quickly and said "Awh there not that bad actually"
jonvi_1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5uCuOwK_VE another video
hey1_1hey: Depends on your definition
ailoveyoom: Rare horny memla waif
ailoveyoom: Bring back dodo birds 🥺
memlaswaif: is ure mum hot
hey1_1hey: My mum has a tendency to be a doomer when she doesn't understand what the technology actually is which is fair enough. I asked her why and she said that people can do "bad things with it" when I pushed further she said she didn't know but is worried about it
.wolfnacht: >The world is gonna end

i'm more interested abt that part...why
jonvi_1: so species that did not exist, as well as species close to what we may imagine existed
wellmeaningalien: we all did
wellmeaningalien: lmao
_cloudost: Not true
jonvi_1: However, we would be able to eventually **create** anything
jonvi_1: Well I don't think we have much genetic data on dinosaurs
jonvi_1: Oh I see
hey1_1hey: Oh no that this is the beginning of the end because we can name bring back anything
jonvi_1: The world is ending if they don't bring back dinosaurs? haha
.wolfnacht: the way sama's img gen censors bodyparts, i feel sama's on path to islam.
memlaswaif: he thought gpt 4 was gonna be agi


hey1_1hey: I made a promise with SamA aswell that if I got into a maid outfit I would be able to access it first
wellmeaningalien:
zoermena: Don’t threaten me with a good time
hikukomoru: Why don't we have 4o image gen yet
hey1_1hey: Sadly not
wellmeaningalien: this is what image gen is for
wellmeaningalien: drink cum
zoermena: Do you have 4o gen
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-19843706
hey1_1hey: The dehydration is getting to me 🥵
ailoveyoom: Something else gon flow (it's not spice) 😤
hikukomoru: I want to bury my head in that sand
zonchao: 😭😭😭
wellmeaningalien: stole the thundar pichai
zonchao: 💀💀💀💀
zoermena: Sad
zonchao: openai has done it once again
wellmeaningalien:
zonchao: no 2.5 pro posts on my tl
hikukomoru: I am sad
hikukomoru: No
zoermena: Can you use 4o image gen?
hey1_1hey: posistion*
hey1_1hey: What is that hand pississtion
hey1_1hey: Hes not even playing with the keys
hikukomoru: Wow. Everything's Minecraft.
.histic:
wellmeaningalien: cant wait to see what metas doing tho
wellmeaningalien: never underestimate google
hey1_1hey: No same, I didn't re read it either because its just something mich mach would say 😭
hikukomoru: Damn I didn't know u were chill like that
_3sphere:
wellmeaningalien: google cooked openai so hard
hikukomoru: Google are going to be the ones making AGI first
.histic: yeah, Google cooked.
the https://livebench.ai score is a huge jump too.
ailoveyoom: Sure that too ig <:coy:1187466404367175821>
wellmeaningalien: lol
wellmeaningalien: and cheaper
hey1_1hey: Real?
wellmeaningalien: https://fxtwitter.com/MahawarYas27492/status/1904882460602642686


brain4brain: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: i mean gemini can do stuff that would take a human an hour to do in minutes
brain4brain: So by the law they discovered AI agent should be able to do a millennium worth of work in just a few minuets by 2030 - 2040?
ldj: so 1,000 years means that it is able to do task that would've taken a human 1,000 years to achieve.
ldj: it simply is difficulty measured by how long it would take a human to do such task
ldj: It has nothing to do with the time it takes the AI agent to do the task
brain4brain: One thing with the METR paper I’ve failed to wrap my mind around is that it eventually go to millennium ish territory, and I don’t know if they are implying centuries of work done in a few turn by an agent or that is the upper bound of agent and the actual time will not be a few turn like current system
spicy.lemonade: 30 min to1 hour
spicy.lemonade: yeah well maybe not 15
metaldragon01: Most task can be broken up into 15 to 30 minute task imo
clevermoniker: i hope he's right but could just simply be wrong indeed
brain4brain: Hopecore
st.sioux: if we can assign tickets to a coding agent that take 15-30 minutes then it would be extremely useful, like replace-all-juniors useful
brain4brain: <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>
ldj: A lot of differing views on that amongst AI researchers and engineers.
asking an AI engineer that question is not much more reliable than asking them directly when AGI would be achieved.
you'll get a ton of different answers
spicy.lemonade: this kinda adds
spicy.lemonade: hm if we assume cl;aude plays pokemmon is 10 mins short term memory
clevermoniker: i have spoken with an AI engineer and he told me that after AI reaches 30 minutes very high accuracy that it can be extended practically to infinity
st.sioux: having such a name makes them that way
brain4brain: Why are all the people named “Gary” always so pessimistic
spicy.lemonade: its like no one can see the trend
spicy.lemonade: this happesn every single time
ldj: Here is a way to visualize it that might be more helpful too.
The lines are underlying roughly the same year in time
brain4brain: The middle guy is just amazed
spicy.lemonade: like today
spicy.lemonade: all chess players were coping
spicy.lemonade: AI cantr beat human
spicy.lemonade: gary kept saying it would never happen
spicy.lemonade: deep blue beat gary kasparov
spicy.lemonade: feb 10th 1996
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: whats your tier 3 knowledge work prediction
clevermoniker: I sure hope that tier 3 happens by 50%<:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
brain4brain: How about knowledge work only probability prediction?
ldj:
ldj: and that hypothesis seemed to turn out correct
ldj: Because that's just what I chose it to be <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
and because I believed that peoples timeline differences between the average of 50% and the average of 99%, would be similar to peoples timeline differences of the average of 99% versus 100% of 100%
brain4brain: What’s your probability prediction for other tier like tier 2 and 3?
clevermoniker: why is tier 2 99% and not 80% or 90% etc?
ldj: 50% of knowledge work as good as the average, would be tier 1 knowledge work


wellmeaningalien: recently ive been talking to gemini 2.5 about dragon ball  lore
drewsni: me too, but i dont show it as my main advertisement
wellmeaningalien: ngl i ask stupid questions to LLMs all the time
drewsni: great i can find out the history of macha with copilot :))))
wellmeaningalien: o4-mini gonna be a league above every model if o3-mini is already near SOTA in alot of respects
wellmeaningalien: finetune this finetune that
.wolfnacht: u can do much more with opensource finetunes...especially whn it comes to story writing
wellmeaningalien: qwq is good but its a 32b model
wellmeaningalien: o3-mini sweeps the floor with qwq
.wolfnacht: L4's gonna be shit, it has to beat QwQ and Qwen 2.5 Max. Otherwise it's time to dig up the Illama Grave.
wellmeaningalien: never expect anything good from midstafa suleyman's mouth
hey1_1hey: Is it ass?
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/druski-druski-dance-dance-ts-pmo-gif-2878196207953698978
wellmeaningalien: man llama 4 coming out and o4 mini soon <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072> <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072> <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072>
wellmeaningalien: imo still too unreliable for that
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: lemme guess its like apple intelligence
wellmeaningalien: lol
drewsni: no
wellmeaningalien: <@88481490228228096> is this copilot thing noteworthy
drewsni: it happened before the trailer video that just played
drewsni: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5THCzTNPNk
ldj: Where is the stream link pls
shirethedreamer: just a few more months away
im serious bruh
shirethedreamer: 😆
shirethedreamer: july 2023
shirethedreamer:
zoermena: Thanks! 👍
drewsni: audio guy is gonna get fired
drewsni: but you heard everything they said
drewsni: off to the side
wellmeaningalien: like someone jumped on stage?
drewsni: worth it just to hear suleyman be put in an extremely awkard situation
wellmeaningalien: ❓
drewsni: someone just interupted it for a solid minute or two
drewsni: yeah
wellmeaningalien: the copilot event?
wellmeaningalien: what u talking about
drewsni: what the fuck microsoft
drewsni: bro did bill gates just get up


hey1_1hey: We'll see in the news San is now the CEO of OAI, Anthropic, NVDA and google. Then he'll fire all the employees so he can do all the work by himself
oooooooooog: sure buddy, i lebeive uou
ldj: Just so you know, this was a hypothetical related to an earlier conversation and I’m not actually considering putting a majority of my networth into nvidia stock <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
maintcrew: valuing stupidity of someones else hyper all in gamble before the aftermath is similarly stupid tbh
zoermena: True
oooooooooog: it wouldn't be the financial incentive changing my outlook on LDJ, but rather, the stupidity of the decision
futurist_wizard: Real wallstreetbets hours
futurist_wizard: Majority of net worth into a individual stock
zoermena: I meant like he’s smart enough to not change his opinions on progress if he where to put his net worth on NVDIA
hey1_1hey: You've been caught
ldj: yes I think so, and same thing applies to getting a job at Nvidia too, willing to take a job at Nvidia even when having multiple career options elsewhere is a testament to that person really believing in the mission and path of nvidia imo
hikukomoru: <@806143139894525962> explain yourself lil bro
oooooooooog: 2.88 trillion*
maintcrew: wouldnt putting all of your money into nvidia prove even more that you wholeheartedly believe in your perspectives and beliefs about progress
oooooooooog: sarik and komoru lol
gamerbath: ldj is smart enough to understand that he can't really increase the value of 3 trillion dollar company by talking about it in a niche discord
gamerbath: i'm surprised people are actually saying yes to the poll, I don't understand why
zoermena: I think this falls on how mature you are which I think is more than enough
ldj: last one amongst those series of polls
ldj: lol
ldj: on one hand, investing into public nvidia stock lacks the increase in knowledge that getting an actual Job at Nvidia would give you. So you can't really make the argument here of inside knowledge balancing out the downside of financial incentive.

On the other hand, the financial incentive is still likely so small from hyping up nvidia stock in discord, that it would be very insignifcant and virtually zero, unless the person is irrationally becoming emotionally attached towards convincing themselves that Nvidia is better, as some sort of coping mechanism to attach their identity to the sentiment of the company, even if it's just the sentiment amongst their personal friends.
gamerbath: ...
gamerbath: u said the last one was the last one
ldj: I could see this poll result going either way tbh
ldj:
ldj: > You're implying that everyone in power whose messaging is bad is weak willed and lacks integrity

That's definitely not the intention, and I'm struggling to see how you conclude such implication.

btw when you say "messaging is bad" do you mean people who have messaging that I disagree with? Or people that have messaging that is proven to be significantly financially influenced when you do mech interp on their brain?  I still disagree in either interpretation though.

> the incentives that shape the way they're able to present online

In this scenario, do you mean the chance of Nvidia stock increasing by maybe 0.1% or 1% max if I talk really good about it on a discord server, thus causing my equity in this hypothetical to be upto 1% more valuable? On that point I would say 2 main things: 1. This is not even exclusive to getting a job at Nvidia, since this kind of financial incentive would apply to anyone that puts any significant portion of their money into Nvidia stock. 2. The amount of possible upside from this I'd say is definitely quite insignificant, yes there is a financial incentive bound to effect their behavior to some minor degree, but overall on net, I'd argue it's practically neutral or even net positive, due to the persons enhanced perspective on the world from now being an insider.
_wwwwww: > DeeperSearch
_wwwwww: musk is funny
ldj: >  If you think everyone who bends the knee to incentives is doing so because they're a soulless monster

just so its clear, if you think this is what I believe, it's not.
It's simply the fact that some people are more effected by financial incentives than others, not just a black and white of Angels versus Soulless monsters, but everything in-between, some people let financial incentives skew their stances on things to huge degree, it also depends on the situation of how the financial incentives are set up too, and what behaviour we're measuring as being influenced by it.
metaldragon01: Courts would have it pretty easy if the motive was always money tbh
ldj: In this case it is though, there is no mandate in this situation of "if you tell people that your perspective on the world is this different way, then we'll penalize you or take money away from you"

*maybe* you can make that argument indirectly due to stock price being effected for example, but in the hypotheticals we talked about even that would be very miniscule and insignificant, likely not even having a 0.1% change on the persons wealth(even if someone on discord became convinced to invest 1 million into nvidia, the change in stock price caused by that would likely be much less than even 0.1%), and then there is other positive factors you have to weigh that I mention, such as the persons trust worthiness actually increasing, such as the question (does this persons new position increase the accuracy of their perspective on the world by more than 0.1%?)

betting $1,000 in a discord server on something for example would likely far outweigh any financial incentive they gain in their profession from sharing disingenuous perspectives of the world in a discord server.
metaldragon01: It can be for a lot of people but it's very important to be able to recognize when it isn't
metaldragon01: Financial incentives aren't always the prime incentive
metaldragon01: Was a silly scenario in that case. Science doesn't always require funding
destrucules: No, the guy with no funding does no science. I said that explicitly
destrucules: That's *my* point. If you think everyone who bends the knee to incentives is doing so because they're a soulless monster, you've gotta recognize that that means *almost everyone* is a soulless monster to you. That's a very dark way of seeing the world, and I am arguing against that
3ds0662: Yeah can’t even get real friends either one minute someone’s cool the next they have a knife in your back humanity is completely fickle
metaldragon01: They both do science. One just does it in a more narrow domain
metaldragon01: People fuck each other over every inconvenience
destrucules: One of them does science, the other does not. The one that does science is clearly the better scientist


zoermena: I CANT WAIT FOR FDVR
himekokatagiri: 🤔 dunno
himekokatagiri: custom order cars of course
himekokatagiri: buying a lot of stuff from the many sears catalogs
himekokatagiri: cool things would be uhhh
himekokatagiri: nothing concrete
himekokatagiri: eeeeh idk I wrote some scenarios up
alejandrozarzuelo: And share poop sponges with strangers
alejandrozarzuelo: I would love to visit Rome in its height
alejandrozarzuelo: Like truly being there
himekokatagiri: imagine call of cthulhu on FDVR
alejandrozarzuelo: The idea os to be as realistic as possible
alejandrozarzuelo: But yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: Well in 1966 you can simply ride a car into town
himekokatagiri: lol
himekokatagiri: it's just I guess you gotta specify it
himekokatagiri: Uh it's on FDVR of course you'll have documents
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah
himekokatagiri: got your hotel booked in etc etc
himekokatagiri: could start like Westworld you're in a train ride
alejandrozarzuelo: Of course, but modern tech can make forgery that they wouldnt even have the tech to realize
himekokatagiri: well I'd need documents some money
alejandrozarzuelo: Imagine having one week tourism in 1966
alejandrozarzuelo: I would love to spend a week on basically any time period
alejandrozarzuelo: Great
himekokatagiri: anyhow I'm thinking of scenarios like being dropped in 1966 randomly with no aim sounds fun for a while but you'll get bored
alejandrozarzuelo: Just in time to catch polio after the Spanish flu

Hmmmm
himekokatagiri: buying a Tommy gun in a hardware shop
himekokatagiri: 20s sound fun too
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW I would love FDVR to be used to do realistic time travel
himekokatagiri: Me too
alejandrozarzuelo: We have improved massively on all the things I mentioned about the 60s

The only thing that hasn't improved everywhere I homophobia in some countries

All others have seen universal improvement
hikukomoru: It’s true
hikukomoru: I experience extreme oppression for being pro AI
retrerox: same with sexism
retrerox: Racism is debatable depending your pov
alejandrozarzuelo: I would love to do time tourism, but not to live in another time
retrerox: homophobia is currently more an issue in specific part of the world.

Althought even develop countries still suffers from that.
alejandrozarzuelo: Like it's not even on the same order of magnitude
hikukomoru: In America it’s coming back


fractalcomputer: Donc il ne peut pas être si difficile de mémoriser l'orthographe de cette belle langue.
wellmeaningalien: ah ouai
alejandrozarzuelo: pas mon portable
alejandrozarzuelo: maintenant jecris sur lordinateur
fractalcomputer: Tu ne peux pas utiliser ton autocorrect?
alejandrozarzuelo: Lille etait dans l'epicentre entre Bruxelles, Londres et Paris, et pour ca c'etait choisi comme une pole d'innovation

lille parfois cest une ville ancienne, mais en realite, 99% de sa influence a eté cree apres la deuxieme gerre mondiale
futurist_wizard: 我掉进了一个放射性池塘！现在全身都是水泡和灼伤，痛得要命，快疯了！
retrerox: Althought we can agree that if the humanity werent fighting in shit wars we could be at our current point of technology so many milleniums ago
wellmeaningalien: mmm?
wellmeaningalien: ouiii gooo les bleussss allez les bleusss
retrerox: I mean all our knoledge is based on all the years of the past
alejandrozarzuelo: sa localisation dans le coeur de l'europe occidentale
alejandrozarzuelo: la meme chose qui a detruit la ville plus fois quaucune autre ville en france
fractalcomputer: Mais les contributions les plus significatives de la France aux mathématiques ont été dans le domaine de mathématiques pures.
wellmeaningalien: qu'est ce que nous les lilloismans on a fait
wellmeaningalien: les vrais femboys originales mec
alejandrozarzuelo: oui
wellmeaningalien: regarde les gars on est si cool
alejandrozarzuelo: les hommes de cette periode avaient des cheveux magnifiques
wellmeaningalien: c'est pour ça qu'on a un coin qui s'appelle cité scientifique
wellmeaningalien: pour de vrai?
wellmeaningalien: bwah
wellmeaningalien: ce mec c'était juste une note en bas de la page dans nos cours d'histoire
fractalcomputer: Il m'a dit qu'il me ferait mieux lire les oeuvres de tels penseurs.
alejandrozarzuelo: villeneuve dasqc a la reputation d'etre un pole d'innovation scientifique et technologique, pas si connu pour les maths abstracts, sinon le contraire, la science et les mathematiques appliques vers le progres technologuique
fractalcomputer: L'un de mes amis m'a donné un livre de Montesquieu pour mon anniversaire; je crois que cet acte a été un certain type de blague.
wellmeaningalien: d'accord
wellmeaningalien: 🫢
wellmeaningalien: eh bien
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cellular-automaton-mythos-cardano-nft-cnft-gif-16900418931780605171
fractalcomputer: Ils ont peu d'intelligence et moins de la soif de la vérité.
wellmeaningalien: les philosophes de la lumière
wellmeaningalien: <@688807313015963693> and me 😈
alejandrozarzuelo: villeneuve d'asqc be like:

._.
wellmeaningalien: bah il est grand temps pour un révolution
wellmeaningalien: bah la casi totalité des domaines d'étude scientifiques qui ne sont pas les mathematiques?
alejandrozarzuelo: moi je suis d'accord, la perfection c'est l'enemi du bon
fractalcomputer: Mais grâce au bon Seigneur, la France a toujours resté une fortification véritable contre les hordes des mathématiques appliquées.
wellmeaningalien: le plus je vie le plus j'ai realise ceci
wellmeaningalien: 😮💨


futurist_wizard: Mirror
futurist_wizard: Impossible
spicy.lemonade: everyone is gonna try to saturate fictionbench now that its mainstream
futurist_wizard: They are going to impregnate an indian elephant with woolly genes
hikukomoru: and neanderthals
hikukomoru: And dinosaurs
sweetievee__33649: i like the new animals
hikukomoru: And saber tooths
sweetievee__33649: soon i hope
hikukomoru: When are they bringing mammoths back
joaoluz19: I see, I thought you were skeptical of this possibility that certain levels of abstraction are impractical with our computational substrate.
futurist_wizard: I guess they don't want the wolves replicating
hikukomoru: Peggable too
sweetievee__33649: the gay woke mind virus strikes again
sweetievee__33649: truly
futurist_wizard: The gay agenda
futurist_wizard: Two boys as well
sweetievee__33649: doesnt take away the fact they are cute asf
hikukomoru: All that matters
hikukomoru: Still cute
sweetievee__33649: close enough
futurist_wizard: They actually aren't dire wolves, but they have genes that are similar to that of dire wolves
sweetievee__33649: i mean what are you going to do in roman times apart from beat each other up and drink alcohol
hikukomoru: Also the Romans were really proud for some reason of that story of the founding of their city
sweetievee__33649: i wish i never asked 💔
sweetievee__33649: NOOOOOOO
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-25588793
sweetievee__33649: you dare
_3sphere: Anime boys are huggable though
hikukomoru: It's from Roman mythology
Romulus and Remus were two brothers
And they wanted to found a city
So they found the Palatine hill of today's Rome and they got into an argument over who would get to name the city
Romulus killed Remus and so he named the city Rome after himself
futurist_wizard: Demons
sweetievee__33649: tell me
sweetievee__33649: ...
hikukomoru: The story behind those names is not cute in the slightest
sweetievee__33649: hes even got a cute name
sweetievee__33649: Romulus is mine
hikukomoru: Ahhhhhh!!!!! I want one!!!!!!
sweetievee__33649: revived dire wolfs are unbelievably cute
sweetievee__33649: i stumbled upon these two cuties on x today
sweetievee__33649: omg omg omg


joaoluz19: Or was hacked
joaoluz19: Yep Fractal is really drunk
okbut: preface I wouldn't expect overnight
But I would be willing to give the "AGI" definition the legroom to consider a multi-turn type of system in its definition, wherein it asks its administrator for permission (probably an obvious move)
This would still seldom be required used, as it's goddamn AGI
I also have beef with the idea that it can even be called AGI until it has accomplished the takeover of almost every job position multiple times
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-bateman-gif-27617182
hikukomoru: But I guess you can't take the terminal autism out of a finn
joaoluz19: So I like the idea of economic value or the great scientific achievements i.e. curing cancer, nuclear fusion...
hikukomoru: Awww
I was hoping that was your true self finally coming out
joaoluz19: Overall I think definitions are less relevant than the things built independently of them. The LLM revolution had nothing to do with better definitions of intelligence.
zoermena: More over all jobs is a loose term, as it starts to replace people over time it’s more likely that jobs will be lost due to companies going bankrupt due to lack of demand because of the contraction in economic power in customers.
fractalcomputer: That's because it is entirely fake.
zoermena: But the instruction has to be granted, AGI just won’t exist one day and magically start changing all business overnight. So unless you are suggesting this happens which is insane imo then it’s AGI when it’s capable not when it takes all jobs because someone still has to say yes I want that AI in my company. You could perhaps argue that it would be stupid to say no to such technology but stupidity is to common in corporate at all levels.
a1c4p0ne:
fractalcomputer: Maybe I should start banking off vague predictions.
hikukomoru: In a way, it's creepy seeing you type like that
okbut: It's so ambigious
fractalcomputer: It's all meaningless anyway.
joaoluz19: I think Anthropic has a similar one
okbut: I hate that chart and I think Sama does now too atp
hikukomoru: There is no common consensus as practically everyone has a different definition
From people that believe we already have AGI to people that think we'll have it in 2200
fractalcomputer: Safetycels are scaring da huzz
joaoluz19:
joaoluz19: It's actually a gradient. Big labs work on levels
okbut: Make accounts, talk to people, make software,
okbut: Thus, it will simply have its on-switch with instructions, and does everything it needs to do to take over the work
okbut: If I understand the common concensus definition correctly, "Capable of performing almost all jobs in the workforce"
okbut: If it's AGI, it is fully autonomous
zoermena: It can’t just find its way in to every job on its own unless it does and it’s fully autonomous
fractalcomputer: 2027 seems to be ever more attainable...
okbut: There are no ifs and buts
joaoluz19: It's not even AGI until it hits the account.
okbut: Capable implies overruling that bureaucracy too
hikukomoru: It's AGI when schizophrenics on discord deem it so
joaoluz19: It's not AGI until then
joaoluz19: AGI = 100 billion dollars in Satya's account
zoermena: Capable because integration is more of a burocracy issue
fractalcomputer: Profound. Slay, king.
okbut: Loaded question
okbut: Is it AGI when it's capable of taking over most jobs, or when it has done so?
fractalcomputer: Go off, King.
okbut: Yo I got some beef with the common definition of AGI


otub: https://tenor.com/view/tardis-doctor-who-gif-26828880
return_to_monke1_33974: selling souls to the iluminaty
futurist_wizard:
zonchao: i was joking btw, they were yapping about something else
futurist_wizard: 'improve productivity' with..
 What...
hikukomoru: Sure
In a few years you won't need an education
zonchao: no
anathemaofmankind: Does this mean I can drop out of college
hikukomoru: Greg Brockman announced they have achieved AGI
anathemaofmankind: Missed it
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: i do not trust anything that comes out of whitehouse.gov
hikukomoru: Did you miss the stream
anathemaofmankind: Are we back
return_to_monke1_33974: AH hell nah
hikukomoru: WTF
literallyvarane: Because they intended to ship o3
zonchao: <a:alert:1225312524690522193> OAI has given GPT-5 access to the whitehouse https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1912551594841051375
return_to_monke1_33974: remember o3 showcase in december
literallyvarane: They haven’t even named o4 explicitly.
return_to_monke1_33974: because too expensive
literallyvarane: Why showcase a model you’re not shipping?
return_to_monke1_33974: no , but showcase
literallyvarane: It’s probably just GPT5
literallyvarane: I don’t think they ship fat o4
mantegh5061: he will be there for o4
mantegh5061: Oh that's why altman wasn't there
spicy.lemonade: o4 mini is about 188th
spicy.lemonade: likeley
spicy.lemonade: tru
return_to_monke1_33974: full o4
a1c4p0ne: O4 mini with tools 🔥
spicy.lemonade: those liars o4 mini is not the #1 competative programmer on earth
hikukomoru: GPT 5 tomorrow
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/liar-star-wars-mad-angry-gif-15937551
return_to_monke1_33974: maybe
return_to_monke1_33974: 04 showcased tomorow?
hikukomoru: Yeah, they announced AGI just like that
abundantliving_: https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAIDevs/status/1912556874211422572
literallyvarane: The fact we got o3 and GPT-5 probably is based on o4 raises the bar a bit for me.


fractalcomputer: Thank God. I would have lost my last morcels of respect for OpenAI if they did.
neon01197:
spicy.lemonade: they didnt
literallyvarane: We cooked with this one.
fractalcomputer: They did not, did they?
neon01197: unchanged from o3-mini and o1
abundantliving_:
literallyvarane: Alright that’s a great event. My official ranking for that is a 8.7-9.3.
zoermena: No way
hey1_1hey: I mean I wasnt lieing...
futurist_wizard: didn't they say they trained o3 for 10x as long
st.sioux: did they say anything about plus or pro usage limits??
hikukomoru: They just said "AGI is here"
return_to_monke1_33974: RELEASE O4 SAM <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: Ta ra OAI
zoermena: Fr????
spicy.lemonade: this shows nothing is slowing down ttc
hey1_1hey: AGI mentioned (real)
gamerbath: API in the upcoming weeks yay
professorheaven: yea it's trained on the same base model so it's not like a crazy step up, o4 should be on a new base model so that's the real step up
hey1_1hey: o3 pro in future 😭
spicy.lemonade: o4 mini high??
spicy.lemonade: people cant be exited<:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: o4-mini-high
hikukomoru: What is the meaning of this
futurist_wizard: this stream rn
futurist_wizard: https://tenor.com/view/riemann-sum-gif-25293332
hey1_1hey: AGI just dropped
st.sioux: https://github.com/openai/codex
gamerbath: AGI
fractalcomputer:
spicy.lemonade: 💀
popsiclejohnithan:
hey1_1hey: Just nutted from ASCII
hikukomoru: That's sickkk
spicy.lemonade: WOW
hey1_1hey: Thats cool
.0xunkn0wn: WOAH
hey1_1hey: Damn
ailoveyoom: Silicone muscle mommy