precariousworlds.: This is the no. 1 biggest obstacle for China, the entire country is dying
One of the most rapidly aging societies in the world
Hence why i think they'll make a big bet on automating the secondary sector
.histic: poverty can make people work hard..
especially when you've 1 billion+ people at your disposal.
newer generations in China are "lying-flat".
hikukomoru: I'm going to ask Mr. Xi Jinping for a kiss 🥺
.wolfnacht: Also, cheap labour is far important
precariousworlds.: The USA follows a universal ideology, china doesn't really unless you count marxism, which has very little influence in modern Chinese society
clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1354169149294772294/ccp-cheering.gif?ex=67eae74c&is=67e995cc&hm=6c8af51d08d87f2e0cc459478b5ff1918f32de26bb24ca8c0eed4c360863c3dc&
precariousworlds.: But still China is a really impressive place and how they've lifted themselves out of poverty to being a superpower is again one of the most impressive feats in all of history
.wolfnacht: Power always end up getting corrupted so. Even US was build on promises of freewill and idea of utopia. Maybe today they are not what they say, but that's not a guarantee.
precariousworlds.: Exactly
A lot of china looks flashy and futuristic, like Chongqing and Shenzhen, but when you look behind the central areas the real China appears
Tofu bricks, poverty, crackdown on dissent, pollution
.histic: free round trip
.histic: Yes. They want you to visit there. : )
hikukomoru: China loves me? 😍
wellmeaningalien: cuz i like it like that
.histic: China probably loves those type of people.
st.sioux: why does it look like that
.histic: honestly, it's kind of weird to praise countries you don't live in or especially never visited.
 i noticed a lot of people really glazing/praising China when r1 happened, not only praising DeepSeek, but the actual country where DeepSeek came from. and the majority of these people have never lived in China nor plan to.
 it's pretty funny...
i can glaze the US because at least i actually live there and understand it.
precariousworlds.: China is nationalist in outlook, they don't want global domination, just a world order centered around them and Chinese hegemony, similar to how global trade revolved around China from ~500 BC to ~ 1600 AD
.wolfnacht: Also russians can't even make LLM's, Yandex's still making finetunes of L3. for their browser use case
.wolfnacht: it's year 2064 and we are living under the one world govt of Chinese Shogunate
precariousworlds.: China has insane infrastructure and their rapid development in the past few decades is one of the most tremendous feats in human history.
China is also an authoritarian oppressive police state, that is significantly poorer than the US in almost every metric
.wolfnacht: i wish there were more competitors Swedes, UK, French got Mistral, Korea got LG trying to bring something, Japan, Aussies, Indians, Saudi got Falcon but it's shit...and others
precariousworlds.: Point is mindless anti-western China glaze to be counter cultural/edgy is really dumb
precariousworlds.: but I digress
precariousworlds.: you can't pick one or the other
precariousworlds.: yeah ik it's a double standard
precariousworlds.: respect the consistency lol
.wolfnacht: What is Israel + USA are doing to the entire hub of muslim population
hikukomoru: You can like China and dislike Palestine
precariousworlds.: ?
alejandrozarzuelo: thats pretty ironic with your profile
.wolfnacht: Only China!
precariousworlds.: what is china doing to its muslim population
precariousworlds.: I respect China and see them as a competitor
.wolfnacht: New V3's pretty schizo but still useless past beyond 50k ctx
alejandrozarzuelo: you can like china and palestine
precariousworlds.: Yes
wellmeaningalien: honestly i think its a little retarded to be anti us but praise china
precariousworlds.: same people who like this image also post "free palestine" lmao
hikukomoru: + open source
hikukomoru: Idgaf as long as it's free and uncensored


.histic: she looks & acts like the type of person that'd eat that shit up.
technocake.: Elizer Yukowski wrote one of the most famous harry potter fanfictions
technocake.: OMG it's important
technocake.: https://youtu.be/TKMzmOYcEUE  relevant but she is cooked
.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
https://x.com/IDF/status/1906379841500254515
.histic:
maintcrew: it is it goes hard af
zoermena: This image is insanely good
.histic: true, also the ones who are complaining are more likely to be the mid asf ones.
wellmeaningalien: ✅
wellmeaningalien: man i forgot aobut the first season but yeah tbh who gives a fuck about eve
maintcrew: i wanna see omni man punching the shit out of mark
maintcrew: the comics are cool tho
maintcrew: i mean eve is cool but shes not the mc and only a side character why tf you dedicate the first 2 episodes to her entire life
wellmeaningalien: yeah like mark talks like this half of the time
st.sioux: humans making anything is extremely slow
wellmeaningalien: yeah ngl some of the characters i didnt give a fuck about like im much more intereted in whatever the fuck the viltrumites are up to
_3sphere: But it's a feature when you're drawing to relax or something
maintcrew: the young black dude as a nanny and eves parents spoke exactly like this
maintcrew: YEP LITERALLY
_3sphere: Human time is expensive
_3sphere: Humans making art *is* extremely slow, guess that's where the cost comes from
maintcrew: also i found it so boring bc they started the show by showing eves backstory and entire life when shes not even the main character???
wellmeaningalien: errrm...? awkward? im literally a superhero now? and in a love triangle..? talk about 😅
st.sioux: it's like when music aside from folk was reserved for the elite only, since there were no record players or other types of technology
wellmeaningalien: yeah lol
maintcrew: it feels very... millenial?
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly the writing in the show does feel much more like 21st century "woke" writing if u put it that way
maintcrew: cartoon w/e
realelonmuskx: image agi
wellmeaningalien: anime lol
st.sioux: ok
maintcrew: i tried watching the invincible anime and it was cringe woke writing with bad vibes so i tried the comic and it slaps so hard
wellmeaningalien: but the power of art isnt gatekept to the hand wizards no more
wellmeaningalien: some of these rates like bro aint nobody affording that shit dude
wellmeaningalien: pay 1000$ for my shitty unshaded art and bust only
realelonmuskx: tell an artist "add a planet in flames", thats $500 and two weeks, sora does it in 25 seconds
wellmeaningalien: like this is one of the first times ive seen ai art and thought damn that looks cool
wellmeaningalien: like this invincible art
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly theres no way in hell im ever getting this good and some of the stuff it can make is real cool


fractalcomputer: I don't find them terribly interesting.
spicy.lemonade: The generations are high quality
fractalcomputer: And?
spicy.lemonade: 4o is out
fractalcomputer: Oh come on, post something you think is high in quality.
spicy.lemonade: How can you disagree
spicy.lemonade: 💀
fractalcomputer: Right, well, I'd disagree.
spicy.lemonade: Ie demon slayer manga
spicy.lemonade: Art comparable to what was presented
fractalcomputer: No, I genuinely do not understand what you mean by "high quality AI art."
spicy.lemonade: Ok you’re trolling
fractalcomputer: I still do not see it.
spicy.lemonade: Admit it <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade:
memlaswaif: whats he saying now lol
memlaswaif: congrats
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: Still don't see it.
sarik0497: According to the sources, they'll have the ability to translate for you.
spicy.lemonade: It’s very clear what was meant as high quality
spicy.lemonade: Look at the screenshot
spicy.lemonade: No
sarik0497: Their next Airpods are gonna be wild
sarik0497: If you want an advice; Go for Apple stocks too
spicy.lemonade: You know that’s very accurate
spicy.lemonade: I listed out the biggest proof I’d invest in
fractalcomputer: Hm. Tomorrow it will rain in the United States West Coast.
fractalcomputer: "leader in AI and autonomy"
fractalcomputer: Yes, "high quality AI art" is extremely vague.
spicy.lemonade: I literally listed out specific names
spicy.lemonade: My stuff wasn’t vague
fractalcomputer: Do you know why oracles in the past gave vague and ineffable responses?
spicy.lemonade: Knew they were serious
spicy.lemonade: Also metaverse intro
spicy.lemonade: Lmao
spicy.lemonade: The screenshots are right there
spicy.lemonade: Wdym uhuh
spicy.lemonade: Yan lecun
fractalcomputer: Uhuh.


himekokatagiri: whacky 😜
zoermena: Kilter?
himekokatagiri: idk
himekokatagiri: I'm off kilter even for 2025 standards
himekokatagiri: eeeeeeh I mean
zoermena: Us <a:heart_eyes_animated:669958766514536458>
himekokatagiri: I lived in such a specific moment in time
himekokatagiri: Who's gonna relate to me in the future
himekokatagiri: idk I'm already feeling the generational divide
himekokatagiri: like okay we can handle more
_3sphere: Elon Musk could discover an exoplanet and you wouldn't know if he named his kid after the planet or the other way around
himekokatagiri: do we need more people in the world after post scarcity
himekokatagiri: idk sounds decent
zoermena: Ectogenesis mentioned???? <a:CatRoll:1037101256021397586>
gamerbath: what tf did I just open discord to!?
himekokatagiri: it's like the matrix they grow children via some capsule
himekokatagiri: honestly can't you rent out one of those what do they call it
himekokatagiri: uhhhhh
realelonmuskx: <@286319745777795092> okay you will be the mother of: ÆØNIXX-T³mp3st, GL!TCHNOVA_∞, BætaRayNürv, Ψ.X33–NEX7, NullahX_VR.cry, Xenæther.mkv, [REDACTED]-Unit09, Oxi∇thium.exe, N1V3RU-77, GΛ!A•404, CRYPT0LIL1TH, ZëroQ-Lüna94. is it good 4 u? repopulation is necessary
himekokatagiri: I'll still keep my wicked personality though I wouldn't have it any other way
himekokatagiri: transhumanism is gonna be so cool
himekokatagiri: 😭
realelonmuskx: you can. we just have to repopulate then youre free
himekokatagiri: or aeromobile
himekokatagiri: our child can be called aeroplane
himekokatagiri: we can be happy together
himekokatagiri: Aeroooo
himekokatagiri: idk I wanna be aero's wife ngl
aero447: 😉
aero447: Too low for AGI.
aero447: But anime requires very low intelligence to enjoy?
aero447: 🤔
realelonmuskx: yes, ill give you attention, food and entretainment
realelonmuskx: Ω-9 Cipher will be born soon
himekokatagiri: I'll let you do it
himekokatagiri: <@1136405168875909302> if you turn me into a cute girl
aero447: Not if you're going to keep calling them ever dumber names.
realelonmuskx: i need to repopulate more
futurist_wizard:
futurist_wizard: Eep


zoermena: Insanely rich company with tons of preexisting compute at their disposal
zonchao: you can just do things
ldj: and it's GPT-4o
ldj: not a third party chat app
ldj: This is in the native chatgpt interface btw
futurist_wizard: How did google go from having the most trash models to the best
zoermena: Is 2.5 flash <:Google:350385023289131008> any good?
drewsni: Wonder if it’s related to the openrouter issue yesterday where people were getting random responses
ldj:
ldj: I don't think I've ever gotten a response this random from ChatGPT
I'm literally asking it about tech stocks and revenue projections and stuff and then it randomly says this.
I don't even ever talk about controversial political stuff with ChatGPT so it can't be from my memories either. I've never even heard of the "Islamic revolutionary guard" before
trey6033: Oh yep misread, I see o4 isn't on there yet
drewsni: 4.1 mini
trey6033: Right behind o4 mini
drewsni: That’s pretty bad actually lol
trey6033: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1912979323734425948?t=TyWExZCG-cl8BdEcaDFCPA&s=19
gamerbath: that's what I think
gamerbath: maybe that model is just going to be used in GPT-5
_cloudost:
callmepyro: I think this means that 2.5 flash is now the best non-thinking model?
callmepyro: 2.5 flash non-thinking scoring 74% on GPQA Diamond when full 4.1 scores 66% is nuts
callmepyro: Yeah it used to be really fuckin bad
drewsni: The state of the Gemini api was so bad a year ago
callmepyro: I just use the gemini API with the vercel/ai sdk
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609
st.sioux: like its super reliable i know but at what cost
st.sioux: have u used it for production? it feels like a maze
drewsni: Also I’d prefer actual log which ya know makes it known right away what it is
gamerbath: oh yea ur right. imagine they turned the y axis on its head
callmepyro: Ah
st.sioux: i hate google cloud honestly
drewsni: I want it to go the other way
callmepyro: Why not 2.5 pro? It's less than half cost and way better at long context
gamerbath: if you look closely at the size of the numbers on the x axis, the big numbers are 100 10 1 0.1 which is fine
gamerbath: it's common for things like these, because if you made the x axis linear things would get really bunched up on the right side
gamerbath: have you never seen a logarithmic x axis?
benata: but right and up = good
benata: yeah it looks out of scale
drewsni: 10, 5, 2, 1, 5, 2, .1???????
drewsni: But actually
drewsni: What the FUCK is that x axis.


himekokatagiri: no
.histic: <@286319745777795092> do wordle
st.sioux: time is relative
clevermoniker: time is not on your side
brain4brain: Never, only time will tell
himekokatagiri: isn't that what happened with Chandler, his mysteries are nonsense
himekokatagiri: unless he got a movie deal idk
himekokatagiri: though likely wouldn't have been remembered
himekokatagiri: if he wrote crime stories he would have made a decent living
fractalcomputer: He managed to create the genre because of his "mental illness".
himekokatagiri: it all went to paying creditors
himekokatagiri: he didn't make any
.histic: crazy that his last name was Lovecraft
st.sioux: what did he do with his money
himekokatagiri: also legendarily bad with money
himekokatagiri: then publishing his stories in fucking dime novels when the law was detectives vs the mob
himekokatagiri: extremely unlucky and mentally disturbed dude who had the brilliant idea of inventing cosmic horror... in the 1920s
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/ted-kaczynski-ted-ted-k-gif-20150378
.histic: i must admit, i don't even know who he is personaly.
himekokatagiri: such is life
himekokatagiri: gone too soon
himekokatagiri: born too early
drewsni: i think i prefer dayhush over the other webdev model, this is the closest ive gotten to my prompt out of all models
.histic: his love for HP lovecraft.
himekokatagiri: I agree chaosium charges a lot
himekokatagiri: free call of cthulhu sourcebooks?
himekokatagiri: what's it about
himekokatagiri: Why are you writing a manifesto
fractalcomputer: Sigh. Maybe I should just finish up with my manifesto.
himekokatagiri: which lol
himekokatagiri: you can use copilot in mspaint
.histic: Microsoft opens a part of OpenAI.
if OpenAI in some crazy reality bought Chrome, that would be a big brain move & give Microsoft more power.
himekokatagiri: but didn't windows update do that...?
st.sioux: harvest ungodly amounts of data
himekokatagiri: since every android has one
himekokatagiri: with chrome you can roll out AI to a ton of devices
himekokatagiri: lol
.histic: idek how that would be connected to their mission of AGI.
they will twist anything.
himekokatagiri: Web3+AI
himekokatagiri: Web3 already sucks


himekokatagiri: More of a sign of today's society tbh
futurist_wizard: Being masculine does nothing in ones life
futurist_wizard: Cis men have gender dysphoria, they try to transition to hyper masculine
hikukomoru: I am a deeply unserious person, in other words, silly
alejandrozarzuelo: This is gender affirming therapies

And yes, cis guys like me can get gender affirming therapy, let's normalise it
futurist_wizard: I must be very straight passing
futurist_wizard: Oooh
joaoluz19: Everyone is gay - Kurt Cobain
alejandrozarzuelo: It seems you never are
alejandrozarzuelo: I have good hair, I am proud of it and take great care if it, but I will probably fill the upper section when I get the chance, just to make it even better
hikukomoru: Alejandro, I would think that by now you would be able to tell when I'm being serious and when I'm not
okbut: If you're British, it does, wherein the population benefits from the metabolism from vitamin D because the country gets no fucking sunlight (thus lowering risk of cancers)
futurist_wizard: Thankfully i have fairly good hair genes
hey1_1hey: You just reminded me of the image where someone photoshoped some guys body hair into a suit 😭
joaoluz19: My genetics are to have a lot of it's over
alejandrozarzuelo: ? Why do you contradict yourself at every 3 sentences

Being hairless is gay but body hair is also gay?
futurist_wizard: It's actually dht
hikukomoru: Testosterone causes baldness so that means a real manly man is bald
futurist_wizard: Good luck
futurist_wizard: Yeah i am, i will piss all over the female toilet seats
joaoluz19: Without the muscles
hey1_1hey: Yes, no doubt
joaoluz19: So I have a chance with her
okbut: Fellas is it gay to have hair
alejandrozarzuelo: It's just fashion at the end of the day
hikukomoru: Yeah, body hair is usually a gay guy thing isn't it
hey1_1hey: Actually wait no, there is this one girl in my class who is into really muscly guys with borderline werewolf syndrome type hair
himekokatagiri: 💉 Dr. Jiankui will fix you
hikukomoru: Is this your coming out as trans?
Don't worry, I'll always support your identity no matter what
joaoluz19: I've never met a straight woman who said "hmm I like a man with lots of body hair"
hey1_1hey: Straight up getting my identity stolen as we speak
futurist_wizard: Keep this up, and I'll reveal the truth about you 🏳⚧
hey1_1hey: Straight up chinese troll bot
hey1_1hey: You really are a top level troll
alejandrozarzuelo: There was a huge movement to "let the muscle show" and every gym bro lasered
hikukomoru: Sorry that I didn't know you were AroAce
himekokatagiri: never heard of it
himekokatagiri: banho de lua
futurist_wizard: Wtf is you on about
himekokatagiri: no straight white


aero447: Drewne and Tremt crimge.
aero447: Crimge.
drewsni: WOW this is the first r1 output thats impressed me
trent_k: hahahahaha
drewsni: you guys can even have this image for a thumbnail for free, i give permission
drewsni:
drewsni:
drewsni:
trent_k: # (EMOTIONAL)
drewsni: you guys should just strokemaxx instead
drewsni: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAcOcbQR0N4
trent_k: hahaha
trent_k: (their term, not mine)
trent_k: agree
> Okay, let's dive into this. The user wants an analysis of the plot arc of the Barron Trump vs. liberal professor story, focusing on how it keeps the attention of "boomer retards" (their term, not mine) and how to make it even more addictive for that audience.
maintcrew: not sure why
maintcrew: honestly R1's cot is way more charismatic and entertaining than the output itself
theaiguy69420_89814: New video idea: "He thinks tariffs will make Mommy proud..."

And then the video is about trump getting child abuse
zonchao: slop videos of trump??
trent_k: alright, I've had R1 do an analysis of the boomerbaitingness. I will now see how well it can write its own scripts
theaiguy69420_89814: And this is what everyone is talking about rn
theaiguy69420_89814: I've had pretty good economic predictions before
theaiguy69420_89814: This one is bang on though
trent_k: when i predict something is going to happen u just need to do the opposite of that
trent_k: every prediction i make is wrong
trent_k: critical
trent_k: and this is important
trent_k: what u need to realize is
maintcrew: just get on with it try it out
zonchao: you are now the richest man in the world
maintcrew: imma be real chief youve been saying this for a while
theaiguy69420_89814: Still making it
trent_k: fuck yeah
trent_k: hahahahahah
theaiguy69420_89814: And then GPT generated story
theaiguy69420_89814: And the static image is a group of girls laughing and him crying and the text is "get your autism out of here!"
zonchao: what happened to the startup yall were making
theaiguy69420_89814: "The untold story of Elon Musk's highschool"
theaiguy69420_89814: I just had an idea for a vid <@1068159407671754824>
maintcrew: get ur bag but i still view it as a crime against society
theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah


technocake.: if you aren't trolling you are red green colorblind, and have XY chromosones
zoermena: Unless we are under investigation 👀
zoermena: That’s subjective it’s not like we are designing any promotional content aligned to a brands identity
alejandrozarzuelo: Quaternary, as I said, I can excuse it, unless you want to specify, it's often not that relevant
hikukomoru: Roneldo
hikukomoru: Rondo
alejandrozarzuelo: I am dead serious, I will not understand you if you call the sky blue and i refuse to acknowledge anyone who calls a jade thing green
hikukomoru: It's just abunch of balls
hikukomoru: I don't see anything
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldopsgalnassr-gif-27425976
st.sioux: youre trolling
alejandrozarzuelo: I can excuse quaternary
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, imagine if I ask you for something green and you give me something jade

Wtf dude
alejandrozarzuelo: AT LEAST
alejandrozarzuelo: The name you use doeanr matter as much as the meaning behind it

At least you need to get to tertiary level
technocake.: read the number
hikukomoru: Is this fuschia
st.sioux: 😡
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/super-buu-dragon-ball-majin-buu-dragonball-dbz-gif-9025226788066338823
alejandrozarzuelo: The differences are important, even if small
wellmeaningalien: pickle pickle carrot
hikukomoru: I don't get it
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
zoermena: The differences are minimal
wellmeaningalien: magenta magenta fuschia
technocake.:
wellmeaningalien:
alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok, some people are colour-blind
hikukomoru: How can you tell all these colours
They all look the same to me
alejandrozarzuelo: Ours is a dark rose, it's not nearly that magentish
alejandrozarzuelo: It's pretty obvious that this is a dark fuschia, NOT a dark rose
wellmeaningalien: queen of england type stuff
st.sioux: it says right there its #872657 and the first image you sent is #93295e
wellmeaningalien: looks pink/magenta doesnt it?
alejandrozarzuelo: This is actually more magentish
zoermena: Yes, I gave up a role which reflected my principles in the name of having a good color
technocake.: I diagnose you with purple
wellmeaningalien: this is the color of the active member role visualized
alejandrozarzuelo: Rose is the color halfway between red and magenta

Pink is light rose
wellmeaningalien: using the exact same hex value


a1c4p0ne: Nothing ever happens tho
hikukomoru: Is it like german?
hikukomoru: What's a germane
technocake.: nice
hikukomoru: @shotgun
frittata: Please avoid spam especially the visual kind. If it’s germane to the chat it’s ok
technocake.: did jgudy 2 get banned yet?
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/kmt-yeah-right-hmmm-really-gif-21502858
hikukomoru: I don't appreciate you posting me out of nowhere
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
hey1_1hey: Well on the bright side he has good dental hygien
a1c4p0ne: Why not
hey1_1hey: Huge
a1c4p0ne: You’re welcome
hey1_1hey: Big ups
hey1_1hey: Thanks
hey1_1hey: Really what I want to see when I am GOING TO SLEEP
hikukomoru: Stop posting the same pictures over and over
hey1_1hey: Thanks man
hikukomoru: I am becoming Americanized
hey1_1hey: I am too tired it seems. I am going to bed to let my math knowledge sink in
a1c4p0ne:
hey1_1hey: Not like that
hey1_1hey: Ok wait no
hey1_1hey: Amercian conversion therpay 💪
hikukomoru: I use the American system so much I don't even know what cm is anymore
hey1_1hey: Yeah you're pretty damn tall
technocake.: 6'2"
hey1_1hey: 6'1
hey1_1hey: dick units please
technocake.: 188cm
hey1_1hey: How tall are you then?
hikukomoru: How tall
technocake.: fair, i am tall, maybe i just don't get threatened as much
hey1_1hey: Sorry bro 😭
hey1_1hey: Clock*
hey1_1hey: Toodles cock fool
frittata: Tomorrow when you return, try to maintain some level of respect even in heated dialogue
hikukomoru: That's like comparing Norway to Afghanistan bruh
frittata: Oh good you’re back, I owe you a timeout for personal insults previously leveled against a server member


spicy.lemonade: hot
spicy.lemonade: mmmm
ldj:
ldj: some more evidence that o4-mini is likely based on 4o-mini, or possibly even based on a smaller model than 4o-mini (maybe based on GPT-4.1-nano?)

The score on ambiguous questions section of BBQ benchmark resembles GPT-4o-mini and o1-mini more than it resembles GPT-4o or O1, it shows even lower score than o1-mini, pointing to the model being maybe even smaller than 4o-mini
.histic: i quickly counted and got 40.
i think i'm not AGI.
otub: gemini 2.5 pro said 33
metaldragon01: I think it's safe to assume that they have internal numbers for o4 full atm
metaldragon01: She didn't give a number just "o series"
metaldragon01: It also matches up with extrapolating what you'd expect from o4
drewsni: Is o3 not essentially the system that gpt 5 is going to be?
metaldragon01: Sarah has said she's been told their o series is the best competitive coder in the world
ldj: It ultimately just becomes a naming thing
ldj: Well for now yea, but if/when they start putting all the frontier reasoning training compute into the GPT models, then obviously the GPT models would then be the best reasoners.
.histic: so, maybe the base model doesn't matter as much.
it's relative ig
metaldragon01: They directly said the o series is the best. I'll link
drewsni: Do you have access to these new models to compare with Gemini 2.5?
.histic: i recall a bycloud video discussing a research paper that presented evidence for a pretraining‑to‑inference ratio.
smaller models gain substantial benefits from inference, whereas larger pretrained models receive far less gains from CoT inference.
zoermena: The information article was way overhyped
trey6033: That's just openAI hyping before a release like they always do
ldj: I don't think they've ever said that, but I think they said like #5 in the world or something like that
but yes I think that's obviously O4 they were prob talking about, or early version of GPT-5 or something like that
thedon7075: openai new models
thedon7075: the information is reputable
spicy.lemonade: yes
drewsni: Because that’s just a random article that has no basis in reality
drewsni: What are you comparing with Gemini pro 2.5?
literallyvarane: Fair, but I don't think that actually changes the underlying concept.
thedon7075:
.histic: o1 is based on 4o
o3-mini is based on 4o-mini
o3 is based on 4o
o4-mini is based on 4o-mini
pretty sure.
thedon7075: i didnt claim it
drewsni: Are you claiming there’s a model that costs that much?
literallyvarane: V3 > R1
4o > o Series
Gemini 2.0 > 2.5 CoT models
Anthropic 3.5 > 3.7
Grok 3 > Grok 3 CoT

We haven't actually seen new base models for CoT models. There's a non-zero chance that improving the base model doesn't *actually do a ton* for CoT.
.histic: if it only took 1 more minute it would have solved it.
.histic: forgot about that.
wonder what that was about.
literallyvarane: It doesn't seem like anyone has actually made multiple different CoT models based upon multiple generations of CoT models right?
thedon7075: us
drewsni: 20000 what? yen?
drewsni: what are you talking about
.wolfnacht: 14 minutes and still wrong.
literallyvarane: I  still think it's worth being *mildly* skeptical that bigger base model = better CoT model if we haven't actually seen that demonstrated yet.
zoermena: Did you like the models <@471334973379706900>


hey1_1hey: You were hyping it up and it turned out to be the same as llama 3
spicy.lemonade: its just a distil
spicy.lemonade: lol
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/smiling-excited-laughing-creepy-gif-14492358
shirethedreamer: 4o -> 4.5 -> 4.1
spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high was 2 months ago
hikukomoru: You know it's bad when you have to compare it to Llama 4
spicy.lemonade: not 2 gens tho
shirethedreamer: yeah i know
but 2 gens after a base model it should euqate a reasoner based off of previous gen
spicy.lemonade: 💔
spicy.lemonade: its a base model
literallyvarane: It’s pretty impressive ngl.
hey1_1hey: Better than Llama 4 🥀
shirethedreamer: worse on polyglot than 01 or 03 mini
hikukomoru: Soooo disappointing
spicy.lemonade: how
hikukomoru: Not impressed at all
hey1_1hey:
st.sioux: not so hype
hey1_1hey: Yeah
shirethedreamer: 4.1 better on swe-bench than o3-mini high
777agical: This is for API only??
hey1_1hey: N/A nano 😭
spicy.lemonade: base model
spicy.lemonade: YOOOO
spicy.lemonade:
harryisgamer: 55%
harryisgamer: oh nice
spicy.lemonade: wtf
literallyvarane: Imma need pricing, but also deeply curious what they aren’t just replacing 4o wholesale. Clearly there’s a reason.
spicy.lemonade: 4.1mini almost equal to 4o
hey1_1hey: Almost certaintly
shirethedreamer: started
hey1_1hey:
harryisgamer: that was intentional
hey1_1hey: Messed up
gamerbath: yea so this is quasar
harryisgamer: "quasar"
hey1_1hey: Quasar
hey1_1hey: Bruh


spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: Exactly, ChatGPT can’t generate any other time besides 10:10 for clock
brain4brain: Yes, but with a slower timeline
brain4brain: You’re correct, I’ve also seen it
spicy.lemonade: from 2021 up
spicy.lemonade: they got alot correct
spicy.lemonade: they made a prediction for 2026 back in 2021
brain4brain: AGI - Artificial general intelligence, an AI that is smarter than the average human, some definitions say it’s smarter than the smartest human

ASI - Artificial super intelligence, an AI that is smarter than all of humanity combined
brain4brain: It’s the coolest one I’ve seen, cool graphic, very good conclusion, kind of reminds me of Pantheon, strikingly realistic
retrerox: Amazing 😂
memlaswaif: no one knows
retrerox: and discover stuffs that we dont know?
retrerox: AGI is when AI can actually learn by itself?
retrerox: What exactly AGI is?
spicy.lemonade: exited for next 5 years
spicy.lemonade: that 2027 article is very good read
retrerox:
brain4brain: Try asking chatGPT to make a clock, and then you will realize
retrerox: Chat gpt?
_cloudost:
brain4brain: Guess which model made these images
retrerox: I hope to be alive by then 🥹
retrerox: WHen will the robots dominate the world and we will just their pets?
retrerox: Yes please take whole europe /s
retrerox: Big for productivity
spicy.lemonade: Tried to skip time
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: It felt like I slept for 10 hours but only 2 hours passed
retrerox: You can figure out which of the reason lead me to leave venezuela
retrerox: My dads moved to Venezuela in the 70's and i came back to portugal
retrerox: Mais no falho muito pt 😂
retrerox: Boa tarde
retrerox: Oh no i doxxed myself
retrerox: Who cares having an actual good salaries and good quality of life <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
retrerox: I wish i could live in sweden or norway but well
memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
retrerox: Close to spain
retrerox: Good morning my european peers
aero447: 😮💨
aero447: Baseless and wild speculation.


777agical: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1917657429334188272?s=46
joaoluz19: MB I didn't take the Fractal's english exam
joaoluz19: I didn't understand
trent_k: literally the first 20 seconds of FDVR: Jarvis? What do you mean "helium"?
joaoluz19: I didn't dig deeper, I thought they were estimates of current progress rates... there was even an ex-OpenAI there
joaoluz19:
joaoluz19: Literally the first 20 seconds of FDVR: Jarvis, make a hot goth mommy
trent_k: i agree
trent_k: sike
trent_k: # UM EXCUSE ME SIR PLEASE CONSULT THE RULES
🤓
drewsni: like bruh
drewsni: but you have like a thousand non professionals and literal children constantly criticizing people who have doctorates lmao
drewsni: dk how much yall know about weather shit but NWS/meteorology is obviously gated by having a degree in meteorology
drewsni: its actually the funniest thing
zonchao: <:BOOBA:1014467901962584084>
drewsni: tornadoes mostly
drewsni:
zonchao: <:bruhSit:1352251568539304040>
drewsni: the weather
zonchao: what do you talk about?
drewsni: i mod a random other semi-large server and its an issue we have to deal with like once a week unfortunately
drewsni: ya not saying that but im defintiely always watching out for it lol
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/dog-groom-grooming-pet-pomeranian-gif-16301055604188999567
drewsni: such a weird combo of literal 15 year old autistic furries and 25-30 year old people somehow being even less mature
drewsni: its so bad lol
drewsni: the ones im talking about are weather community discord
zonchao: normie gaming servers/official servers of video games are the worst
drewsni: or are the jannies of those servers just nerds
drewsni: is the ai community just chill/semi-mature
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> jannies are lame
drewsni: its very jarring seeing chats with like a ratio of 1 mod per 3 users and they also heavily moderate, such a weird concept to me
gamerbath: and tbh, I trust Grok more than some guy named Gork
gamerbath: > he has voluntarily scaled back his physical presence there, focusing more on his companies, particularly Tesla, while still advising the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) remotely
from grok
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893
gamerbath:
zonchao: yep
gamerbath: really?
zonchao: <:shockedturtle:1053452150493167696>
zonchao: BREAKING: ELON KICKED OUT OF THE WH
drewsni: because other than corpo ai servers, i cant remember the last time ive actually seen a mod do something


_3sphere: smh
_3sphere: But it broke the hair
_cloudost: r/artisthate is such a low iq sub
_3sphere: That's bettee
_3sphere: wow
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: https://www.vxreddit.com/r/ArtistHate/s/NzVDChIDm9 what are these retas... they all dont realize OP doesnt have access to the native OpenAI image generator......
_3sphere: Still, makes diffusion look useless
ailoveyoom: Sometimes this tendency works against its advantage, eg when I give a character ref image and ask Flash to generate this char in another situation, it basically just pasted the image over photoshop-like lol
spicy.lemonade: ok
_3sphere: <@471334973379706900>
_3sphere: maybe
_3sphere: Ok let's try again
>>>
Redo this drawing of Teto in space to look like a normal anime image. The proportions are slightly off, correct them too.
artemisfowl887394: She's fully clothed
fractalcomputer: Could you not try to post pseudo-pornographic images for one second?
_3sphere: Since the whole reason I made it is that I thought Teto's hair might look funny in zero gravity
_3sphere: Hm yeah, it's not obvious from the image
spicy.lemonade: just said redraw
spicy.lemonade: i didnt say anything about teto
_3sphere: Seems like it didn't get that it's supposed to be Teto
clevermoniker: if you ask it to only change the color of the clothes it only changes that and nothing else, interesting difference isn't it?
clevermoniker: in this one gemini took the image and kept the body exactly as it was and only changed the background like a photoshop
clevermoniker: now we know this generates the whole pic again
clevermoniker: i have seen gemini edit stuff photoshop like
777agical: It changes details slightly from my testing
joaoluz19: If was a man he would permit fuck the twinks of OAI man
clevermoniker: doesn't edit
clevermoniker: its generates the whole image again
clevermoniker: it changes her face, interesting
clevermoniker: lol, as suspected
spicy.lemonade: and cuts
spicy.lemonade: stops here
spicy.lemonade: wont
futurist_wizard: Gooning will get you nowhere
spicy.lemonade:
clevermoniker: Can you tell it to make her dress red? It will probably refuse but just want to know its limits
spicy.lemonade: just gonna tell it to do ghibli
_3sphere: Cursed
spicy.lemonade: let me create anime version
spicy.lemonade:


st.sioux: im gonna punch u
st.sioux: dont yell at himbro
futurist_wizard: Deep research 🫦
wellmeaningalien: DEEP RESEARCH BROOOOO
wellmeaningalien: <a:skullemoj:1107004725980835991>
retrerox: which one should i click on? 😂
wellmeaningalien: yeah its stupid idk why i wasted my time on this
wellmeaningalien: oh yeah also ask it "based on all available information, weigh the possibilities and make a theory/scennario on when the coming of widespread unemployment caused by the progress in artificial intelligence could come, considering the possible difficulties that may arrive"
futurist_wizard: Token predictor
futurist_wizard: Agi over
futurist_wizard: Its low iq
retrerox: Here's a shorter summary of the most promising AI models expected soon (as of April 2025):

Key Trends: Multimodal capabilities (text, image, audio), longer context windows, efficient deployment, tool integration, and improved reasoning are central.

Top Expected Models:

GPT-4.5 ('Orion'): Enhanced knowledge, emotional intelligence, and multimodality.
Grok 3: Focus on advanced reasoning and real-time data access.
Gemini 2.0: Real-time multimodal processing and action-taking capabilities.
DeepSeek R1: Reasoning-first model for science, coding, and math, with cost-efficiency.
Claude 3.7: Safe interactions with advanced coding and transparent reasoning.
Llama 3: Powerful and free open-source model for businesses.
Overarching Developments: More accessible AI, advanced AI agents, AI-generated training environments, central role of multimodal AI, emphasis on reasoning, efficient smaller models, near-infinite memory potential, and human-AI collaboration.

These models aim for greater power, versatility, accessibility, and real-world integration.
futurist_wizard: Humanities last anime pfp
wellmeaningalien: well?
spicy.lemonade: No humanities last exam?
retrerox: *A very very long text*
futurist_wizard: Llama 5
wellmeaningalien: ask it what are the most promising potential ai models coming soon as of this date
wellmeaningalien: idk test anything
retrerox: what you want to test?
retrerox: I have advanced
literallyvarane: Someone pay for advanced. We need testing ASAP
literallyvarane: This is buried like 1728/6282 paragraphs down
literallyvarane:
wellmeaningalien: lol
literallyvarane: It is memes tho because they for sure dropped this page today? So maybe 1.5 DR is free but 2.5 is with advanced
hikukomoru: It's not in AI studio but it is in the gemini website
wellmeaningalien: <@704566357743632404> away with you mr richman
literallyvarane: I’m wrong let me chill lololol
hikukomoru: I don't see it in AI studio
literallyvarane: Yeah hold up may it’s not the 2.5 versio
wellmeaningalien: nope aint got that
retrerox: The only thing i have with gemini advances is the logo on the corner 😂
st.sioux: maybe its not 2.5 pro
literallyvarane:
literallyvarane: Because I 1000% don’t pay for Google and I have it
literallyvarane:
wellmeaningalien: lemme see
literallyvarane: I think it’s in AI studio?
wellmeaningalien: i think gemini's deep research is goated cause of that


juweigege_54993: 19.
spicy.lemonade: in the great war between earth(ai and human) vs kepler aliens
himekokatagiri: idk if Indy was all him I'll assume not
.histic: joking
himekokatagiri: only good thing he did was American Graffiti
himekokatagiri: man I hate George Lucas
.histic: Lily is 14
spicy.lemonade: ngl ill be in space fighting glorpos irl
himekokatagiri: lily how old are you
juweigege_54993: It's a sci-fi fantasy like Star Wars with aSoIaF style plots.
himekokatagiri: idk mental
himekokatagiri: like physical
himekokatagiri: uhhhh I figure the trauma stays right
.histic: is torturing an alzhimer patient that bad? 🤔
juweigege_54993: I am writing one even now.
spicy.lemonade: just dont delete memory at all
spicy.lemonade: 💀
juweigege_54993: I put a lot of thought into it. Here's what I would do. Don't delete my first six or thirteen years of memory.
spicy.lemonade: or
spicy.lemonade: fantasy farytale world
spicy.lemonade: what world will you be in?
himekokatagiri: brain the size of the world and you kneecap yourself
himekokatagiri: pfft
juweigege_54993: Forget about this world and painful memories. Start anew, thinking the new world is the only one.
himekokatagiri: I wouldn't delete mine lol
spicy.lemonade: sam needs to give us back gpt 3.5
himekokatagiri: but that's hard philosophy
himekokatagiri: but then aren't you killing yourself technically
joaoluz19: Worse than torture, you can scale the pain system of brain, you can induce pain beyond the human organism can process
himekokatagiri: uhhhhh
juweigege_54993: That's what I plan to do once in FDVR.
spicy.lemonade:
xaiayiren: I'll be stealing that link, thank you
joaoluz19: Hard to tell because the brain actualy has a delay from sensory imput to cognition
himekokatagiri: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
himekokatagiri: Delete the memories and move on.
st.sioux: not chill
st.sioux: yea like if someone hacks into mind-upload-corp and tortures everyone for 1000 billion years
himekokatagiri: and it's hooked up
himekokatagiri: but I was thinking why not just have a main body


wryyth: who built it then
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187
hikukomoru: Tbh they weren’t actually built by slaves
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/lucky-star-konata-ls-yap-yapping-gif-8406780761891028091
_cloudost: Grok is better at fact checking than Gemini 2.5 and Deepseek, Deepseek claimed this incident happened in Germany when in reality there is no such case involving an Egyptian couple naming their child "Adolf' Hitler", Gemini said it's a real incident and provided made up links to the "case" , Grok is a great AI against disinformation and misinformation.
retrerox: They are just more efficient than humans on mostly everything
retrerox: I mean we are technically slaving the technology
_3sphere: I didn't specify ethics 🙃
_3sphere: Slaves with modern tech could still do more than a few people with modern tech
bob082957: Aider as MCP in ClaudeCode to reduce costs
bob082957: https://youtu.be/QzZ97noEapA?si=aOfS0PCEaXf23Whq
retrerox: Humans make wonders when you force them to do it
retrerox: Pirámids were made by human slaves
zonchao: https://x.com/euaccofficial/status/1909225030354940326?
brain4brain: Shorting until it's at the lowest and taking profit to buy
brain4brain: Should've done it with real money, it's not too late should I do it with real money
zonchao: https://x.com/bengrossbg/status/1908711259681210793?t=ESl1W83XAQsiCoh7-PNXhg&s=19 big
_3sphere: Pyramid level of effort but with modern construction
_3sphere: I wonder what would be built if we had religions that call for it, like the ancient Egyptians
retrerox: Soon we will wonder how we lived without ai as we wondered before how we lived without gps
brain4brain: I don’t know, ask Gemini about it
_cloudost: Right now
_cloudost: I'm gonna subscribe to Gemini if I know for sure it has Veo 2
retrerox: I’ll check if my company covers it <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
_cloudost: Really? On the advanced subscription?
brain4brain: Veo2 is already out
_cloudost: Since Llama 4 sucks, Google and OPENAI won't release anything, Google was going to release Veo 2 but as the company saw Meta failing to deliver an outstanding AI they're now delaying Veo 2 release
brain4brain: All these cool Coconut, JEPA, LCM, etc. just to make a shitty LLM
brain4brain: Yann shitting on LLM in general because his own LLM perform shit
brain4brain: I got it a while back when it was stealth dropping, words can’t describe how shitty it is
brain4brain: Flint & steel
Chicken jockey
I am Steve
retrerox: What I would like is a fully automatización of food industry
retrerox: May ai will book the flights just from sellers
retrerox: Nah I doubt is gonna be so this way
supersteve8000: someone rule 34 this gamer
retrerox: All modern art is furry porn <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
aero447: MichMaxxing.
ailoveyoom: ADHD maxxing 🗣
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 has adhd
wolf3404: That's one chatty mofo


rayanquitplayin: We’re still a global superpower
rayanquitplayin: America will be fine
abundantliving_: Atleast tarriff are going exponential 😆
rayanquitplayin: The market’s tanking
abundantliving_:
rayanquitplayin: WTH was that interviewer on?? AI’s gonna make everything so much better.
rayanquitplayin: https://www.youtube.com/live/5MWT_doo68k?si=fJyqmviBlSXbbpM6
Excruciating watch
abundantliving_: It is openai cua itself it seems
_cloudost: The Grok that's public on Twitter presents information so accurately and barely hallucinates
_cloudost:
bob082957: https://www.reddit.com/r/programmingmemes/s/Ro2u6MOZOf
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: this is sora with the same prompt
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: my startup died😭
spicy.lemonade: ggs
spicy.lemonade: theyre using omniparser
spicy.lemonade: fuck
ldj: This is beyond the currently available OpenAI computer-use capabilities which is limited to only browser manipulation, so I wonder if it's a new model too.
.wolfnacht: <@590577270926868480>  i've got it
.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1k0d7oq/veo_2_i_wanted_to_generate_a_video_of_a/
.wolfnacht: i wish we could use qwen for thinking and the tokens get transferred to SOTA.

Then We'll acheive thinking-model utopia.
ldj: The models themselves in the interface will mainly just probably be this though:
Pro > Full > Mini
.wolfnacht:
ldj: The Pro model can probably have high medium and low settings
so can then full model
so can the mini model
ldj: high medium and low is just the amount of thinking effort
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/thinking-thinking-emoji-infinite-infinite-zoom-droste-gif-26468372
.wolfnacht: dats even more confusing
.wolfnacht: bytedance released UI-TARS but it's not that good but still better than claude whn it comes to using your compter
sieventer: It just represents the time it spends thinking
sieventer: I'd say that high is better than  default version
.wolfnacht: i sometimes drool over the idea of automating my browser tasks with prompts
sieventer: "an early access research preview."
.wolfnacht: so something like this

pro > full > high > mid > low ?
sieventer: It's not ready yet
abundantliving_: It's likely in the 365 subscription or something. For enterprise subscription. Not sure it's there for individual free users
sieventer: o1-pro > o1
sieventer: Pro is higher than default version
.wolfnacht: their naming is just soo confusing
.wolfnacht: is "pro" lesser in hiearchy than full 'O' or higher ?


_3sphere: Cool, now release GPT4 0314 :3
.wolfnacht: DAMM!
maintcrew: curses
maintcrew: https://x.com/nrehiew_/status/1907056100987531368
.wolfnacht: he's a ~~ropemaxxing~~ hopemaxxing neet.
.wolfnacht: yeah expected that from him, since he's not a doomer neet.
metaldragon01: A generation or 2
benata: Y'all need to tuch gras
otub: some like manually driving and will teach their kids to like it too
otub: how long will it take for people to transition to self driving cars tho
zonchao: https://x.com/amasad/status/1907074696861864147? banger
hey1_1hey: Oh godf
zonchao: <@439829942310666250> reconsider your endorsement https://youtu.be/LKzyjfsMkaY?
hey1_1hey: No, no I will not
hey1_1hey: I just saw
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016
hey1_1hey: What were yesterdays comments?
zonchao: oh lmao
_3sphere: I blew my 3 images for today, can't test
zoermena: <#1212583201969672213>
.0xunkn0wn: can 4o image generation create like a heightmap and colormap
zonchao: what comments
zoermena: Does this mean you’ll double down on yesterdays comments 🎤
zonchao: 2 years ago
zonchao: https://youtu.be/vO4lhga4Jjw?
zonchao: yea he is very pro ai
hey1_1hey: I am only a quarter way through and everything he has said so far has been so incredibly based
sarik0497: It's a cute dog
sarik0497: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: Thats fair, Its a cesspit down there, I wouldnt't recomend
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: https://youtu.be/XDuc932pToc?
st.sioux: do you really have to use that ugly ass dog on literally every single message you send
zonchao: idk, I don't read yt comments
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: remember that corridor crew ai anime
zonchao: afaik he was one of the firsts to support ai on youtube
hey1_1hey: Do people in his comments think hes schzio then
zonchao: not risks, i think he was just happy it's starting to happen, he thinks it'll happen to everyone and we will get ubi <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: Damn didn't know he was so based


anathemaofmankind: Gary Marcus is irrelevant
_cloudost: Ok
_cloudost: Don't show this to Gary Marcus
anathemaofmankind: Or suing Adobe because people used photoshop for copyrighted stuff
st.sioux: wouldn't that be like suing a pencil company because someone drew pikachu with their pencils?
anathemaofmankind: It's so over
.histic: they both get this incorrect while 2.5 Pro gets it correct <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
idk, just funny..
literallyvarane: Bless glad to see him clowning this guy
fractalcomputer: Well, I might imagine that OpenAI's team of lawyers would have a field day if their product was used to make "clones" of other products—which would probably give them an incentive to have an eye on the productive capabilities of these things.
a1c4p0ne: 50 per week
literallyvarane: I can’t imagine they have something >2.5 pro that quickly
literallyvarane: If true it’s probably  just 2.5 flash tbh
sieventer: o3 solved maths, gg everyone. stop studying maths
.histic: how about for o3?
spicy.lemonade: yes
fractalcomputer: You asked o3 to make you a Minecraft clone, yes?
spicy.lemonade: yeah itl probably one shot when on cursor
zoermena: Wait until it’s on cursor
spicy.lemonade: wut
fractalcomputer: It might not be the best idea to have recreating copyright-associated products as your benchmark.
spicy.lemonade: i tried that too
spicy.lemonade: it doesnt
spicy.lemonade: how
a1c4p0ne: Trust
a1c4p0ne: O4 mini high gets it
spicy.lemonade: i gave up
spicy.lemonade: 13 tries
spicy.lemonade: nothing
spicy.lemonade: minecraft clone
spicy.lemonade: i could not get it to create evfen a working
spicy.lemonade: to create minecraft
spicy.lemonade: bad
anathemaofmankind: This is old news
spicy.lemonade: o3 failed
a1c4p0ne: 50 per day
spicy.lemonade: 13 runs
spicy.lemonade: after like
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: Then the model was gone
_cloudost: It's not in the menu anymore, I could only use two prompts


spicy.lemonade: Way more than 10 percent
spicy.lemonade: Compare o1 mini to o3 mini
spicy.lemonade: Comparison
spicy.lemonade: O1 mini to o3 mini is way more
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/archiplex-nerd-emoji-archi-nerd-ackshually-gif-6336651164979961998
futurist_wizard: We don't have o3
spicy.lemonade: O1 to o3 is way more than 10%
spicy.lemonade: Always been more
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: When have we seen a 10% jump for reasoning
spicy.lemonade: Likeley won’t be
anathemaofmankind: And then r/singularity will clap
anathemaofmankind: It's gonna be 10% better than o3 mini
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: Literally midnight in san francisco time they added references to o4-mini and o3 into ChatGPT
wellmeaningalien: Lol shut up
wellmeaningalien: Could have something to do with Quasar Alpha?
ailoveyoom: Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but Sama said 'feature' and not 'model'
wellmeaningalien: (i mean to be fair o3-mini is pretty great)
wellmeaningalien: But time will tell how right mr Hypeman is
zoermena: And they say we are in a winter
wellmeaningalien: Apparently o4 mini is going to be like incredible
spicy.lemonade: What the hell
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: Cant wait to see how expensive o3 is
wellmeaningalien: So yes they brought back a dire wolf from extinction
zoermena: So yes and no?
wellmeaningalien: SomeOrdinaryGamers "debunks" dire wolves by pointing out that it's still mostly Gray Wolf DNA, without pointing out that Gray Wolf DNA is mostly just Dire Wolf DNA and that the same is true of Human and Chimps, you could change a few key genes and you can turn a monkey into a human lol
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNtVPT3EbE
st.sioux: thats what they said about quasar
otub: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
zoermena: Godspeed friend <:startrek:1334027709541777460>
otub: gimme o4-mini sama
theaiguy69420_89814: Time to execute
theaiguy69420_89814: Lol just made a killer app idea
zoermena: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
ldj: Prob not since o3-mini doesn’t
himekokatagiri: new & improved
himekokatagiri: will it have an image model
ldj: Looks like o4-mini is likely releasing today.
O4-mini just appeared in chatgpt code this morning, and sama is tweeting about how he is excited about today


spicy.lemonade: then we 80%+simplebench
metaldragon01: Asi 27
metaldragon01: 2026 ez
spicy.lemonade: well arc2 accounts for that
spicy.lemonade: at current prices
spicy.lemonade: we need 80%+ arc 2 minimum
metaldragon01: Nah we go by release dates
.coldcall: unbased and unholy
777agical: Flash me wen?
spicy.lemonade: 2025 is year of realy good nonsensical swe systems
brain4brain: Explain your reasoning
spicy.lemonade: not 2025
spicy.lemonade: agi 2027 bro
brain4brain: Technically o3 was announced last year, so it should be behind a few of those dots 🤓👆
777agical: the models just want to learn, the models just want to think longer <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
hikukomoru: Is the score what you expected from o3?
.coldcall: Flash 3 wen?
metaldragon01: Looks like we getting the fast timeline
hikukomoru: At least you admit it
Don't get disappointed when no AGI this year
ldj:
ldj: This is about where O3 lands on the chart when I take its official score and apply it to that y-axis
a1c4p0ne: 4.5 gets turned off in 3 months
brain4brain: Yes
spicy.lemonade: dragontail
spicy.lemonade: nah
hikukomoru: 2025 seems a tad optimistic
trey6033: And a third one idr
trey6033: They removed a bunch of models from arena (nightwhisper, dragontail) today.
brain4brain: With the power of hoping
metaldragon01: I love flash don't hate
brain4brain: AGI 2026, I refuse to believe this, I will stuck by AGI 2025
hikukomoru: pro exp lite
hikukomoru: Give us 3.0
hikukomoru: Yawn
metaldragon01: Flash 2.5 obv
hikukomoru: Hope it's not something like flash
777agical: missionary position <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
hikukomoru: Oh, and what do these new calculations of yours show?
brain4brain: I’ve also recalculate a lot of things, it’s not looking promising
st.sioux: nothing means anything


destrucules: It's more expensive than models that are smarter than it *and* faster
destrucules: I think it's strong. Competitive, even. Definitely viable in the market. But it's not best in class
destrucules: Also, o4 mini...
3ds0662: fuck you for that lol 😂
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/simonw/status/1912640245402935431
3ds0662: 😭 🤣
destrucules: o3 might be smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro, so they might technically be leading in terms of intelligence, but... The price difference is just way too big, and the intelligence difference too vanishingly small (to the point I can't even be sure o3 is smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro), for o3 to be fairly crowned the winner here
destrucules: OpenAI didn't take the lead today
destrucules: Ngl Google is still leading right now
aero447: Tomrrow.
aero447: https://fxtwitter.com/bilawalsidhu/status/1912657942089736458
darkstar0818: That is one possibility yes.
fractalcomputer: Or we simply haven't found the right perspective to view intelligence from. Ditto for physics.
a1c4p0ne: I wonder what it is on the app <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
okbut: So I find it weird that it's 1.0 default
okbut: Google suggests in their own prompt engineering doc ~0.2 for general questions and 0 for math
a1c4p0ne: 💯
a1c4p0ne: what temperature is most reliable?
.histic: offline test:
.histic:
brain4brain: You fool, o4-mini is free and unlimited for free user, o3 is unlimited for plus user

This is clearly not the 20,000$ plan, it have to be something like Deep Research but better, 20 times better
spicy.lemonade: Nah we aren’t at PhD yet
okbut: I wonder what EleutherAI is cooking
okbut: This is just my speculation, but I think we could find "PhD-level" performance within less than 100B parameters + highly improved RAG + tools
darkstar0818: Its very possible that 'how intelligence works' is of similar complexity to 'how physcis works'.  We of course can create abstractions which hold true for both within fairly narrow domains, but that is very different from being able to go from bit flips to brains/models.
ldj: If you ever hear a price talked about in terms of dollars per month instead of dollars per token, then that's a clear sign that the price doesn't have to do with the model really, and simply has to do with getting a certain amount of high usage rates. most probably an enterprise plan or something if the numbers are even part of reality at all.
If it was actual pricing for a model, then it would've said cost per thousand tokens or cost per million tokens etc..
darkstar0818: We know exactly how matrix multiply works, how the transformer works, we know what all the weights are... and yet our best xray tools into models tell us no more than our brain scan tools do.
okbut: But I hate that it's still considered such in most CoT
okbut: Verification isn't behind the scenes
sieventer: It would be very interesting anyway to know the full process, right?
okbut: Exactly, just like the NLP should be
The step-wise task handling is different from that, but it's something both humans and models will benefit from
darkstar0818: Just as you dont need to understand an LLMs weights to understand how it reasons.
darkstar0818: You don't need to be able to decode the way neurons bit flip to reflect on how your internally reasoning works.
sieventer: What's going on in my ultra-complex neuron architecture in order I'm writting this? Where does this words come from?
darkstar0818: speak for yourself 🙂
sieventer: Yeah, we don't even know how our thoughts works xD
darkstar0818: Human internal reasoning isn't some kind of step wise system, its abstract and loose.
okbut: IMO it's long-overdue that the space discerns CoT from step-wise task handling
darkstar0818: I dont think that is the case.  Humans perform CoT, but they also intgegrate that CoT into their subconscious, so when faced with similar situations CoT is either not needed or reduced to the difference between the previous event and this one.
okbut: Efficiency is also far from what AGI will require. For example, the human brain uses ~0.3 kWh per day


fractalcomputer: Oh dear. OpenAI would become insufferable.
himekokatagiri: they did the same with Microsoft in the 90s
drewsni: very preiminary tho and it wont happen
himekokatagiri: Nothing will happen
drewsni: a month ago
drewsni: https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/google-must-divest-the-chrome-browser-doj-renews-call-for-google-to-sell-chrome-and-android-could-be-next/
fractalcomputer: When did this happen?
.histic: do you think it will go anywhere?
drewsni: monopoly stuff
drewsni: yeah us gov ssid google needs to sell chrome
fractalcomputer: *If* a court forced Google to sell? Is there something going on that I am unaware of with Google's legal proceedings?
.histic: oh god fractal is here 😨
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
xaiayiren: <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-buy-chrome-executive-testifies> https://t.fixupx.com/theinformation/status/1914769712560419213
joaoluz19: The problem is not the movie but the gap between the demo and after the shipping
clevermoniker: ||give up||
.histic: is it voiced by an actress?
well, yeah, it’s a movie. i mean if you compare the AI voice realism in her to OpenAI's AVM, the movie’s performance is much better in realism and is what people thought AVM could be.
st.sioux: i mean the ai from the movie is a person lol
.histic: wdym? it was a machine
joaoluz19: I just tested the AVM and the difference is huge, they just didn't bring the full model
st.sioux: because her was a person bro
.histic: i think this illustrates how quickly people get use to new tech.
i believe OpenAI AVM remains still very good compared to open-source alternatives, but people have become so used to it that they now dismiss the release as being overhyped.. and honestly, it was to some extent. the AI from Her was way more realistic.
brain4brain: Time to make this as clickbait as possible
drewsni: Yeah if you want lmao
brain4brain: Can I post this?
brain4brain: Oh wow, that’s so cool, also AI is outperforming me, I can’t even get the state right most of the time 😭
joaoluz19: The worst thing was that it was real
st.sioux: so this was real or was it someone with a mic?
joaoluz19: Remember what they take from us
drewsni: It’s mine. Www.deepguessr.com go ahead and play geoguessr against AI
brain4brain: Thats why we rely on Anthropic having the vision, OpenAI to have to develop and have it internally, DeepSeek to steal the weight and open source and Google to ship it <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.histic: they'll release sonnet 4.0 in 2029
brain4brain: Where did you get this?
.histic: so many promises yet nothing to deliver.
brain4brain: HOLY SHIT

https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1914648469622452500?s=61
drewsni: Nothing is fishy
brain4brain: Something is fishy
drewsni:
drewsni: You’ll be world first to share it
drewsni: I’ll even give you an exclusive sneak peak at v2 scoring


oooooooooog: now we have 7 mutual server brain for brain chan
brain4brain: Wow, can you share link?
shadyjakey: Stunspot exists and is very very good but I'm trying to find more places to share some stuff I've made or discuss prompting
spacetimetsunami: Send eluther inv? I need more technical knowledge
brain4brain: https://t.co/BYwpG1C0gH
brain4brain: Indeed, there is not really a server for prompters because its either specialized to each company or too research focused
oooooooooog: i wanna expland my colleciton
oooooooooog: brain for brain send invity to pliny server
shadyjakey: I'm in the pliny server and kinda hate it. It's really messy and disorganized. ElutherAI seems way more research focused and I don't really make prompts specifically for openai models
oooooooooog: bozo
brain4brain: Scdeoybgeoduxbg ocsyag
oooooooooog: zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwyxz
brain4brain: Ok, ok, ewdibxwebdgoubbuqdbouqd
oooooooooog: it's NyhWImXrTPKvDBAwvfVNEjnvfhJNOWx not Nyhshshbidxgviyxbgiusaxyigvdsxwgv or ovgdewogyrubdgrweubgowcob
brain4brain: Oh, sorry about that ovgdewogyrubdgrweubgowcob
oooooooooog: you spelled it wrong
brain4brain: RIP, we’re going to miss you Nyhshshbidxgviyxbgiusaxyigvdsxwgv
oooooooooog: uyes
brain4brain: Except for you?
oooooooooog: (WAGMI execpt for you)
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182
oooooooooog: WAGMIEFY
brain4brain: 2025er must stay strong 😔

WAGMI. WAGMI 😭
zonchao: sama lost the mandate
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994
brain4brain: It’s so over, “a small numbers of years” rather than 2025 in his last interview
bedros_p: Yes
oooooooooog: 10^slorp ?
oooooooooog: how much is a slorpizillion
bedros_p: Slorpizillion
bedros_p: I'm just pumped for gpt zorbillion
oooooooooog: i'm not including that in the sample as it is an outlier
spicy.lemonade: gpt 4 didnt vome out in 2024
oooooooooog: gpt 5 2025? if the pattern hold that would make gpt 6 2026
spacetimetsunami: R2 will do that a bit tho I assume
spacetimetsunami: I’m just pumped for gpt 5, the next huge thing to heat shit up
zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>
zonchao: will be truly insane, nobody would know it was released
spicy.lemonade: 2.0 pro thinking even better
spicy.lemonade: officialy


ldj: but with the gen 2, the surface is a bit stiff and rough, but I have a gel topper that I put between the sensors and the sheet and its mostly pretty comfortable still, but overall it makes your mattress atleast a bit more firm though.
ldj: I've had it for so many years now, it's hard to say.
Biggest things comfort wise is definitely just being able to control the temperature of my bed though.
I have the eightsleep 2, but they are on version 4 already so im sure its even better
theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz not a lot of sun where I live
theaiguy69420_89814: I just take D3 and magnesium
spicy.lemonade: the best counter
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: this is perfect
spicy.lemonade:
zoermena: Is eight sleep as good as they say it is? If you could describe a before and after of sleeping with eight sleep? Thanks! 👍
metaldragon01: Meta though so.....maybe?
metaldragon01: grrr nm no code >.<
metaldragon01: gen 4 + this = AI movies this year
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/CongWei1230/status/1906877381899415945
metaldragon01: its time
metaldragon01: i prob should wait to see how gpt 5 and claude 4 do but still.
destrucules: Very possible if we slow down
a1c4p0ne: So don’t use any of those <:ez:1136267305521774634>
drewsni: nah its probably gonna be good for me, brocolli is actually the one veg i really do not enjoy eating lol
ldj: I don't want to set false expectations though, I think I probably have some beyond the norm problems with cellular oxidation and inflammatory processes, maybe due to certain genetic predispositions (which also effects neuroinflammation in the brain and likely plays a role into my early arthritis) So I very well may just benefit from this significantly more than the average person would, and maybe the average person would hardly notice anything, especially depending on how perceptive they are to these types of changes in their body or psyche.
ldj: the page is bugged lol
drewsni: https://www.broq.life/pages/refer-a-friend
drewsni: i meant more for you, i know some of these brands will give a free month if you refer someone
ldj: sorry no lol
drewsni: do you have a code i can use?
ldj: First benefits I notice are after roughly 10 days, and the full benefits seem to come after around 3-6 months of consistently taking it, actually similar to the saturation time of omega-3.
drewsni: youve convinced me lol
ldj: and I think I have a decent feel for whats placebo or not, since I have eightsleep and other biometrics, and have trialed myself through many different kinds of supplements in the past, most of which never had any long term significant effects on me, so I always go into each one pretty skeptical.
ldj: Mechanistically, it's a strong activator of the NRF2 transcription factor, which in-turn modulates a ton of genes responsible for a lot of the bodies main anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory mechanisms.

Main benefits that I can say I significantly felt within a few weeks, is things like significantly reduced joint pain (I've had some minor juvenile arthritis for a long time) overall clearer mind, better working memory, better muscle recovery, and overall similar benefits to what I get from hgih dose Omega-3, but a slightly different dimension of improvement that is a bit more cognitive, and stacks on top of the joint pain and mind clarity benefits that I already have from Omega-3.
drewsni: What’s the benefit you get from it?
ldj: this is the only company I trust with sulforaphane rn, they were the first to come to market with the shelf-stable form iirc: https://www.broq.life/products/broq?variant=39552225607753
ldj: Maybe the main one other thing I take which I've noticed big benefit from but isn't included in Bryans stack, is Sulforaphane, sourced from broccoli sprouts.

Bryan maybe didn't include it in the stack though for cost reasons, and also because it has allergy risk to some people, (and maybe in-part due to the newness of it) was ~$80 per month for a while and only available in stable form from just 1 or 2 companies. But the price has dropped a bit now
drewsni: Yeah I gotta take d3 k2 year round or I’ll get depressed lmao
metaldragon01: d3+k2 also solid
metaldragon01: these are in my daily stack. good stuff
drewsni: I’ll be sure to do that, I went vegetarian a little while ago so there’s a lot of stuff I’m missing and just haven’t had the time to research
ldj: Here is the one I take that I'd recommend if you want a good omega-3 source https://a.co/d/aQe8Ndx, you should take ideally atleast 2 per day for the clinically relevant levels, I take 4, past 4 or 5 and there is not really much extra benefit.
drewsni: Yeah I think Derek questions that and questions the efficacy of the omega 3 the blueprint stack uses, but I could be hallucinating it. It is for sure a very info dense podcast at times and I was listening during a road trip so a lot went over my head
ldj: <@88481490228228096> if you're curious about what Id change/add about the protocol:
last I checked they were using ALA form of Omega-3 in the blueprint stack.
It's the common vegan form of omega-3 derived from flaxseed and algae, but the main important Omega-3 actually shown to give the most significant benefits in studies is EPA and DHA.

*technically* ALA is capable of converting to EPA and DHA in the body, but the conversion rates are so low, especially with the dosage of ALA that exists, that you wouldn't really get anywhere the clinically significant amounts of EPA and DHA that are optimal.
drewsni: Although I do think a lot of Derek’s arguments are hypocritical. But he does have enough separation between Merek health(I think it’s spelled that) and gorilla mind that I’ll give him a pass
drewsni: The parts I’m talking about are the middle half I think and lasts for 30-45


hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/renault-car-sports-car-gif-2473454790214825457
spicy.lemonade: Let’s see how many people I convince
hikukomoru: I am racist
anathemaofmankind: If you are racist, just say you are racist
spicy.lemonade: If I post this on an art discord will they tell it’s ai?
_3sphere: What *is* the "real" self though
anathemaofmankind: Gotta lie about it and pretend its good
anathemaofmankind: Why can't people just be honest and start acting true to themselves
_3sphere: Fair
hikukomoru: Autistic 🫃
maintcrew: are you a fdvr enjoyer
futurist_wizard: Uh yeah everyone is going to signal they are virtuous, how many times do you hear the right say 'we are the good guys fighting against evil' its all signalling how virtuous they are
_3sphere: I don't have a specific term for people like you
maintcrew: ts pmo icl 💔
hikukomoru: ts pmo icl 💔
hikukomoru: You don't think I act like a hello kitty girl? 🥀
maintcrew: crazy how theres 2 conversations going on in parallel one about this and one about the virtues of being cuck wing or redneck wing
_3sphere: Dreaming about random nonsense feels better than ruminating awake ngl
hikukomoru: You can't 💔
That's my OC
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401
anathemaofmankind:
spicy.lemonade: And get banned
maintcrew: this is tuff as hell mind if i save the picture
spicy.lemonade: I’m gonna say it’s ai
spicy.lemonade: Then after a few days
hikukomoru:
spicy.lemonade: Gonna join art discord and post art
anathemaofmankind: It's a meme
hikukomoru:
wellmeaningalien: doesnt do a good job at it imo
anathemaofmankind: Empathy is a sin
hikukomoru: ts pmo icl 💔 🥀
spacetimetsunami: I guess
spacetimetsunami: Yes. They are just inhumane. Still virtues.
maintcrew: komorus profile be like this and then he comes here acting like a hello kitty girl
anathemaofmankind: The right has virtues?

That's crazy
wellmeaningalien: i thought this was ur quote
spacetimetsunami: They virtue signal to the virtues the people in their community have. It’s still virtue signaling, just to a smaller population of people. The frequency of it is likely much higher.
alejandrozarzuelo: so true
hikukomoru: > Sleep as much as possible. If you sleep three hours more each night for a year, that is a month and a half you won't have to do stuff


himekokatagiri: wooooh
himekokatagiri: I don't care I'll still speak english and brazilian
retrerox: We all gonna speak chinese 🙏
retrerox: On singularity languages wont be need
alejandrozarzuelo: Bruh how, it's the second most important Western language after English

And French is the third, also spoken often on the server
himekokatagiri: only we understand the singularity
himekokatagiri: It's the only way
retrerox: Me after having 40 mcnuggets
retrerox: 🫃
hikukomoru: Eu tmb 👍
himekokatagiri: XD
zoermena: Wait what
himekokatagiri: boludo
retrerox: Lo admito mama soy racista
hikukomoru: Latin invasion of the Singularity server
himekokatagiri: se não é gringo está permitido.
retrerox: man i love brazilian memes
hikukomoru: Racismo <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
retrerox: Olha o macaco
himekokatagiri: I accept it
himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
retrerox: MACACOOO!!!
retrerox: SOPA DO MACACO
himekokatagiri: 🇧🇷
himekokatagiri: it's basically spanish
retrerox: Br or Pt?
retrerox: I dont speak portugese a shet
retrerox: Aunque tengo la suerte que la chamba me pagan mejor bien
himekokatagiri: It's different
himekokatagiri: damn you I speak Portuguese
st.sioux: i speak spanish too lol
st.sioux: i didnt know there were so many spanish speakers here
himekokatagiri: 🚬
retrerox: osea portugal
himekokatagiri: carajo
retrerox: Vivo en la españa que de salario bajo
retrerox: Pero ya escape 🙏
retrerox: De Cacazuela
alejandrozarzuelo: República Dominicana?
alejandrozarzuelo: Eres de Cuba?


hikukomoru: Congrats
hikukomoru: Waow that's bigger than AGI
hey1_1hey: It better be open soruce
zoermena: i got my full bonus, im rich
hey1_1hey: Real
hikukomoru: AGI
hikukomoru: I was just shy
hey1_1hey: Whats gon on?
hey1_1hey: Wait you've actually reminded me, I knew there was something up with my gender when I was like "huh, thats odd. I'd rather be called a good girl than a good boy". Thank you for reminding me
777agical: Probably? But I thought o3 wasn’t getting released and was to be with gpt5. So maybe api release
a1c4p0ne: Oh
zoermena: FUCK YESSS
zoermena: I GOT MY BONUS
hikukomoru: Horny autist
metaldragon01: Nothing big is coming on April 1st
zoermena: WE ARE SO BACK
a1c4p0ne: What about me
futurist_wizard: good boy
hikukomoru: <@990426980279283735> this guy who keeps getting pinged instead of me
hey1_1hey: I mean I weigh 50kg so you can just tell me to stfu and I would
_3sphere: I'm regressing now
st.sioux: !!!!
st.sioux: o3
_3sphere: People used to think I'm in college 💀
hey1_1hey: I wonder how many lurkers are out ther e
futurist_wizard: You just don't have bully aura
hikukomoru: Just by the way you type
hikukomoru: You've always seemed like 15 year old kid to me
777agical: He’s legit
hey1_1hey: How come?
777agical: Unless fake account? But my mutual follows say otherwise
_3sphere: What do you remember me for Komoru
futurist_wizard: I don't think you could bully anyone
maintcrew: tough competition but i think i got this in the bag
hey1_1hey: Thats pretty snazzy
hey1_1hey: Huh*
hey1_1hey: uh
hikukomoru: You're my favourite racist here 🫶
hey1_1hey: I don't think I bully Komoru enough
777agical: It’s openai research scientist


literallyvarane: It's fundamentally mathematical/logical. It's logical to think AGI should be good at making software, and designing hardware. It doesn't *need* that hardware to exist to be AGI.
literallyvarane: Software isn't physical.
ldj: If you’d prefer the term robotics software intelligence, then sure I can use that
literallyvarane: Neither of us used the phrase 'physical intelligence,' until you used it in your rebutal.
ldj: I don’t see which statement contradicts which
ldj: I just read through all those screenshots
ldj: Sooo whats the contradiction?
literallyvarane: There's no universe where someone is viewing a steam engine as intelligent, or having 'physical intelligence.'
literallyvarane:
ldj: Last I checked, a steam engine is not capable of doing much human tasks at all when it’s allowed to send signals into a teleoperated robotics setup
ldj: How so?
literallyvarane: You're being inconsistent here.
ldj: Particularly with steam engines having “immense physical ability” in the context of physical intelligence.
literallyvarane: That a steam engine isn't intelligent?
ldj: I think most of the people in here would disagree with this statement
.histic:
literallyvarane: So clearly there's no correlation there.
literallyvarane: I don't agree. A steam engine has immense physical ability. It's not intelligent.
ldj: You can say the same for mathematics, or biology research, or programming etc
literallyvarane: Any discussion of robotics is more about allowing us to gain more utility from intelligence.
ldj: But someone can just replace the word “physical” in the prior reply to me with the word “mathematics” and it wouldn’t be any less sensical.

“The ability to do math isn't a measure of intelligence, it's a measure of mathematics.”
literallyvarane: Like a universal Stockfish.
literallyvarane: But for example, a black box that will answer any question you ask it with 100% accuracy is the end game example of intelligence.

"How do I, Literally Varane, become president of the United States as quickly as possible?" And *simply with enough input data* is should be able to return a theoretically optimal path for that.
literallyvarane: It's very likely *a* measure. I'm skeptical there can be a single test.
ldj: Is mathematics ability a valid measure of intelligence to you?
Or research conducting ability?

Or are you just saying that there is no such thing as a measure of intelligence and that you can only measure proxies for it
ldj: So what would you say is a measure of intelligence
literallyvarane: The ability to manipulate the world isn't a measure of intelligence, it's a measure of physical ability.
ldj: And many would say that if you can’t manipulate the world in certain ways when given access to the tools to do so, then you don’t have a given level of intelligence
literallyvarane: What I'm saying is that achieving 'full AGI' or any other measure of *intelligence* is simply a measure of *intelligence,* not the ability to manipulate the material world.
ldj: And you can prove the hardware itself is good enough by having a human achieve those tasks by Tele-Operating the robot
ldj: If you mean hardware, sure, but they probably mean robotics software intelligence which is very much measurable in intelligence improvements.

Given access to a set of hardware that is capable of performing certain physical tasks, perform those physical tasks
literallyvarane: But they're not interchangeable.
theaiguy69420_89814: For China sales
literallyvarane: They share features which make progress in AGI helpful to robotics.
theaiguy69420_89814: NVDA just got regulated
theaiguy69420_89814: Such a dead in the water topic...
st.sioux: eventually
st.sioux: but agi will lead to robotics
hikukomoru: They are related though aren't they
literallyvarane: Robotics isn't AGI, it's a different axis of progress.


jonvi_1: Deep Research 04-mini
.histic: @ fractalcomputer
himekokatagiri: you?
himekokatagiri: and terrorize the countryside
himekokatagiri: Use the nano factory to make a Tommy gun
zoermena: [This message was removed in order to keep fetish posting to a minimum]
literallyvarane: I Google’s graphs indicate 2.5’s DR is *much* stronger, but I honestly haven’t seen an example of its output to make the comparison.
zoermena: RIP
literallyvarane: Really interesting. Curious what GPT5DR will be like.
.histic:
literallyvarane: I still gotta drop $20 on Google’s model for a month to test their DR tbh.
literallyvarane: Sauce?
literallyvarane: Fairly exciting.
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207
himekokatagiri: Pretty accurate
metaldragon01: Competition is good
.histic: Deep Research for free users is now a thing.
.histic: "Once limits for the original version of deep research are reached, queries automatically default to the lightweight version."

interesting..
metaldragon01: https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAI/status/1915505959931437178
himekokatagiri: let me see
.histic: https://chatgpt.com/share/680a9e56-7628-8005-bd52-31bacfa02e0b
.histic: removed tasks from the model selector and now it's baked into the models ig.
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/zKQfxi8V5FA
0x1dase: I think the population will simply keep diminishing in number and then plateau as AI integrates with humans to form a new species gradually. Its just evolution, not extinction
0x1dase: bro is  edging us with the 'sleepless nights' post
.histic:
himekokatagiri: sama do something I know you're reading this
himekokatagiri: we broke fools have nothing man
himekokatagiri: when is AI getting fun
himekokatagiri: ahhhh to being bored again
himekokatagiri: No sane intelligent being can rationalize this
himekokatagiri: Now we wait 15 hours
.histic: alright
himekokatagiri: 1. All of them you mentioned
2. General overview
3. Not other countries but other modes of transport
4. They should
.histic: do i just say, "Yes". lol
himekokatagiri: give it back to me I'll read it and I guess I'm knowledgeable enough to know if it's wrong
himekokatagiri: sounds academic
himekokatagiri: ```Do an analysis on the decline of Brazilian railways from the post war period until their privatization (1945 - 1999)```
himekokatagiri: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
.histic: give me another question lol


hey1_1hey: I just read words wrong all the time Idk bro 😭
wellmeaningalien: 😭 bruh thats what they call the smallest model huh
fractalcomputer: Profoundly retarded discussion here today.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shirogane-anime-funny-what-huh-gif-2189181305159165492
wellmeaningalien: thanks cock
hey1_1hey: I read this as "The best thing about sex is rape" then immidetly stopped and re-read it again
hikukomoru: Nice cock 👍
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/dripping-cock-drip-silent-mashiko-sm-mashiko-gif-27069345
wellmeaningalien: my cock is very drippy too
wellmeaningalien: my cock's asi
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dripped-cock-swagging-out-gif-26186543
wellmeaningalien: asi can confirm it
hey1_1hey: Can anyone confirm this?
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-balling-perfect-cell-dragon-ball-z-ballin-cell-ballin-gif-6400456760564649584
futurist_wizard: The best thing about sex is ape brain keeps telling me to think about it
wellmeaningalien: my cock's big
hikukomoru: Shhh 🤫
Were talking about sex now
spacetimetsunami: I’m certainly aromantic , so possible. Although I’m much more fond of sex than romance, relatively.
hey1_1hey: Matt is aroace confirmed
wellmeaningalien: can you even fit that all onto your vram
wellmeaningalien: making the smallest llama 4 model 104b is a very funny choice
ailoveyoom: Idk if this is obvious to you, but... ace? Asexual.
futurist_wizard: I remember there was a drug that removes libido temporarily and people that had taken it remember feeling extremely disgusted at anything sex related
3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-myers-ehh-maybe-gif-22478163
hey1_1hey: Real
hikukomoru: Ah
I member
That is indeed one of my many fantasies
spacetimetsunami: Possible but not obvious to me. It just feels meaningless when I engage with that stuff, even now. Theres not a point to it.
hey1_1hey: Wild opinion ik
hey1_1hey: I would argue consent is important
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: I don't need your consent
ailoveyoom: Maybe you've just associated sex with your cringe, probably immature and irresponsible younger self? Lol
hey1_1hey: I respectfully decline
hikukomoru: I'm gonna piss all over everyone here
3ds0662: tesla and newton would agree
hey1_1hey: the triangle one of the needs
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-lights-gif-8635402
hey1_1hey: The one you sent me
hey1_1hey: You know the one
ailoveyoom: Keep your golden shower to yourself 👿


metaldragon01: Unless they plan to stay in openai shadow they need a bigger team in order to actually innovate
metaldragon01: It's what the labs offer to support that intelligence.

This is seen in products like deep research or the new shopping features ect
metaldragon01: Intelligence isn't the main product anymore
zonchao: BREAKING: xAI having issues building their second datacenter because of woke local politicians... 👀
zonchao: <:peepoFat:832730119154958427>
zonchao: supergrok subscribers finally eating good
zonchao: yea
okbut: But Elon Time usually applies only to predictions of at least 3 or "a few weeks" or longer, I think we can expect next week but no earlier than Tuesday, no later than Sunday midnight
spicy.lemonade: @grok castrate him
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-meme-smirk-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-11885783305913878074
okbut: What's the best distro for libertymaxxing UI
hey1_1hey: Nah I just had to make sure everything was safe. Like the 100k autism post about my favourite show 💀
okbut: I love a GPT with humor
I remember asking o1-preview "remove all the unnecessary line breaks from this python code" and it rewrote the entire 100 line script as 1 line
zonchao: ?
brain4brain: <@750270494615404544> is this true
zonchao: <:lmao:1223379150686126152>
zonchao: did you quit already?
okbut: Results from attempting to configure Arch Linux
hey1_1hey: I've never been so happy to be back on windows bruh
hey1_1hey: IM BACK
zonchao: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1917103576062509470 big if true, models treating msm sources as gospel is tiring
okbut: Mfs are terrified of integer model names
Carl-bot#1536:
zonchao: <a:LETSFUCKINGO:944329536756146186>
hey1_1hey: I didn't need windows anyway <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: Oh it actually just did <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600>
zonchao: https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1917123587019887048 insane aura
brain4brain: I got three AI unemployment propaganda in a row, the AGI effect is here, the singularity will begin soon
ailoveyoom: Read this msg again a few days later and you'll laugh ✌
ailoveyoom: It's called humor 😈
.wolfnacht: I found a nice sub today
https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleIntelligenceFail/
hey1_1hey: Chatgpt is so misaligned holy shit. I was installing endeavourOS on my pc by side booting it and it made me deviate from the tutorial I was following and once I said did everything it said and it started altering my drive it said "good job, you just bricked your pc 💀. Nah jk" had me shitting bricks in the first half of that sentence
popsiclejohnithan:
wolf3404: https://fxtwitter.com/grok/status/1916970399725981954
wolf3404: <@439829942310666250> chatgpt is retarded
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-jeff-bridges-the-dude-fist-pump-yeah-gif-11253884
brain4brain: Real
.wolfnacht: gpt one looks better, bcz all that haze makes it look dreamy
futurist_wizard:
brain4brain: GPT-4o vs redacted-llm

`Make an image of an flying island in the sky with a luxury modern house`


alejandrozarzuelo: It's tradition
trent_k: <@750270494615404544>
alejandrozarzuelo: The portuguése live everywhere but Portugal
trent_k:
futurist_wizard: In Switzerland
futurist_wizard: Why are there so many Portuguese
rayanquitplayin: Switzerland’s great
alejandrozarzuelo: Switzerland is a good place to relax on the holidays, not to live in
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: No no
There are 260k portuguese people in Switzerland
alejandrozarzuelo: You're thinking of Luxembourg
hikukomoru: There are many portuguese people there too
alejandrozarzuelo: No big cities in Switzerland
alejandrozarzuelo: That's medium at best
alejandrozarzuelo: The biggest city is Zurich and it barely has 1.2m in the urban area
rayanquitplayin: I was pleasantly surprised by the country
futurist_wizard: Da fuc
alejandrozarzuelo: No
alejandrozarzuelo: Krinje
futurist_wizard: There are big cities
alejandrozarzuelo: No big cities tho
hikukomoru: That's a plus
rayanquitplayin: Clean air, clean water, financial capital
alejandrozarzuelo: No big cities anywhere
futurist_wizard: Most scenic country ever, high living standards, no crime
alejandrozarzuelo: Booooooooring
futurist_wizard: Its basically the best country in da world
rayanquitplayin: I went there in middle school, it was beauutiful
futurist_wizard: If i could move to any country it would be Switzerland
rayanquitplayin: Ohio
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah
rayanquitplayin: I’m American
alejandrozarzuelo: What
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
futurist_wizard: You did that last time
futurist_wizard: Don't send your balls again
alejandrozarzuelo: You are a continental yuro too?
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't, I have proof
rayanquitplayin: London was cool too, I like overseas
alejandrozarzuelo: It was great, now it's amazing


joaoluz19: Wait why the fuck did gpt put blood in her mouth?
technocake.: schizos are cooked
trent_k:
zonchao: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
drewsni: almost like ur the lolcow of this server
zonchao: <:ASZODhomiekiss:1127263657059950713>
zonchao: server is obsessed with me like I am with Elon <:CrySparkle:1315743925947859066>
memlaswaif: 4/23/4801
zonchao: <:bruhsmilin:853257512971272232>
drewsni: bro it knows you better than you know yourself
zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>
drewsni:
zonchao: what was the prompt
zonchao: it was funny
trent_k:
drewsni: it also fuckin cooked you
technocake.: you also have the power to declare bankrupcy, that doesn't make it true
drewsni: i dont care because im using agi rn
zonchao: <@88481490228228096> <:cringe:1136264606256472104>
technocake.: jan le cooked
drewsni: i declare agi
drewsni: bro models struggle to even generate a description of this guy, while 4o gets literally every detail correct in a way no human would ever possibly. Its world model makes it AGI i wont even argue this anymore its over
clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989777536034668545/1354247298326073384/just-predicting-tokens-huh-v0-ojx7jcqivwqe1.png?ex=67e49894&is=67e34714&hm=45258c3e304483bcc2b9d10f2b262f3bcf55e321f780cf17b42ece217d3c66e3&
technocake.: its not agi
zonchao: <:bruh:853253267953549382>
drewsni: its so insane how far ahead oai is
drewsni: 4o is agi like its not even close
zonchao: <#1342216192516948028> pls post here
zonchao: did you do it
zonchao: <@439829942310666250>
technocake.: I'll leave it to you to run saxems
zonchao: the new image gen seems less censored
zonchao: grok needed competition anyway <:ez:1136267305521774634>
zonchao: nice
zonchao: brother
technocake.: 4o smashed grok
zonchao: what am I coping about 🥺
technocake.: cope harder
drewsni: also the fucking grimy fingernails
zonchao: https://x.com/Tesla/status/1904677503702045043? <a:Dance:993620235632529428> <a:Dance:993620235632529428> <a:Dance:993620235632529428> <a:Dance:993620235632529428> <a:Dance:993620235632529428> <a:dance:1254475413980184666> <a:PepoDance:818406949599182858> <a:PepoDance:818406949599182858> <a:PepoDance:818406949599182858> <a:PooDance:776564073647046677> <a:SpongbobDance:993620593599594536>


callmepyro: lmfao
hey1_1hey: Suck my dick bro
hikukomoru: L screenshot
literallyvarane: Ima need this compared to 2.5
spicy.lemonade: this is like fictionbench
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey:
callmepyro: "We couldn't win on long context vs 2.5 pro so we made our own eval so no one can compare it"
spicy.lemonade: better benchmark
hikukomoru: The fact that they're using that benchmark tells us everything we need to know lol
spicy.lemonade: she said that
hey1_1hey: Yeah it is tbf
gamerbath: llama 4 looked like the same, so i'm really skheptical
literallyvarane: Feel
Like flawless needle testing isn’t impressive given 2.5
st.sioux: even he said itsboring
spicy.lemonade: chill out
hikukomoru: This is a terrible benchmark
harryisgamer: oh ffs, stop with needle in a haystack
hikukomoru: Man this is ass
Just give us o3 and o4
hey1_1hey:
callmepyro: NIAH is not a real long context eval
callmepyro: I wanna see the long context evals
hey1_1hey: I mean yeah its cool. Nothing groudnbreaking tho
callmepyro:
literallyvarane: Perhaps that’s just an app restriction
hey1_1hey: Hotter than before*
literallyvarane: Just realized that the reason we might not get this in the app is because Altman previously said they’re not shipping non-CoT models moving forward.
hikukomoru: "Zuck is hot" 💀
spicy.lemonade: in all their graphs
shirethedreamer: oh yeah i see it
good
spicy.lemonade: they literaly did
hey1_1hey: Zuck is hot but aperntly that doesn't transfer to model intelegence
hey1_1hey: Good
spicy.lemonade: they did
hey1_1hey:
spicy.lemonade: they are
callmepyro: It depends on the pricing. If nano is competative with flash-lite then that's very good
shirethedreamer: they are not even comparing to gpt 4.5 which is sad af
hikukomoru: I learned my lesson
Never trusting meta again
hey1_1hey: Pipe down bruh


spicy.lemonade: openAI always drops first though
3ds0662: yes but it will determine who i concentrate on if another model is better i have zero loyalty
spicy.lemonade: doesnt mean itl be bad
spicy.lemonade: gemini 3.0 will catch up to gpt5
spicy.lemonade: google is neck and neck
spicy.lemonade: wdym
spicy.lemonade: competition always catches up
3ds0662: give me machine god
3ds0662: yes asi too
3ds0662: non improvement and competition catches up/overruns them
spicy.lemonade: are you expecting agi
3ds0662: yes possibly
spicy.lemonade: what does bad mean to you?
3ds0662: if gpt-5 is bad i give up on them
3ds0662: idk i have to see gpt-5
spicy.lemonade: and lose to google?
spicy.lemonade: you think theyl stop scaling bc of demand
3ds0662: they jumped up to 500m users
spicy.lemonade: and blackwell chips came in this year
3ds0662: and their using it to fill increasing demand
spicy.lemonade: openai just got their new datcenter bro
3ds0662: or the asi datacenter buildouts 2027 happen
spicy.lemonade: we just did
spicy.lemonade: grok exists
3ds0662: it will be another 2 years before we get another 10x scale model
spicy.lemonade: so scaling isnt dead
spicy.lemonade: scale
spicy.lemonade: for 3x
spicy.lemonade: we literally saw they could get > 10x improvement
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade: what
3ds0662: nah their slowing down a bit
spicy.lemonade: that much improvement with only 3x
spicy.lemonade: thats much better
spicy.lemonade: how
3ds0662: like gpt-3
3ds0662: everytime openai does an odd numbered release they show out
3ds0662: Gpt-5 is releasing this summer though hope it lives up to expectations
3ds0662: that actually makes me sad 😞 😢
3ds0662: OOF 😓


hey1_1hey: You're simply becoming more manly by sucking the testosterone outta their weiner yanno
fuhulootogan: actually
fuhulootogan: no
retrerox: Are we getting AGI before GTA 6?
himekokatagiri: idk if accents show through singing
hikukomoru: Boring American accent
hikukomoru: You don't sound brasilian
himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
himekokatagiri: I ain't a fink, dig?
himekokatagiri: listen kid you ain't a real man until you sucked dick
fuhulootogan: you sound gay asf
fuhulootogan: komoru is right
fuhulootogan: holy shit
zonchao: https://x.com/TheHumanoidHub/status/1911140763981029655 figure lost openai and bmw??
himekokatagiri: Xiaomi
fuhulootogan: 😭
fuhulootogan: Wtf is this bullshit file format
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/you-wo-joker-joaqu-gif-23924191
himekokatagiri: leave me alone
himekokatagiri: 😭
hikukomoru: You sound gay asf
fuhulootogan: Either way i don't see how you can "defend" any date
alejandrozarzuelo: these two ideas are not contradictory

you can have a median with a veeeeeeery wide probability density
futurist_wizard: in these circles
hikukomoru: Dw babe, you're already a real baddie to me
fuhulootogan: How? you've said yourself today that you can't accurately predict the future of technological progress yet you try to defend a date that is seemingly arbitrary?
himekokatagiri: This is the original one I recorded
himekokatagiri:
ailoveyoom: I want to sound like a baddie 😔
alejandrozarzuelo: also isnt 2030 supposed to be very conservative in these circles?
ailoveyoom: Why hasn't 11L made a voice changer
hikukomoru: Let me live my fantasy bruh
alejandrozarzuelo: i have always defended the date of 2030
ailoveyoom: It literally says 11Labs 😭
hikukomoru: U sound like a baddie 🫦
himekokatagiri: no it's a voice changer
fuhulootogan: the mic sounds too clear
himekokatagiri: though the voice changer fucked some shit up
fuhulootogan: it can't be you
fuhulootogan: no


otub: and imagine where ai will be in 2029
himekokatagiri: competency crisis 2.0: oops, all AI now
otub: and they will use chatgpt to complete all their assignments
himekokatagiri: if it doesn't happen this is our future.
himekokatagiri:
himekokatagiri: this reality has brought me to despair
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
sarik0497: Not necessarily, I’m afraid.
himekokatagiri: hope the end justifies the means
himekokatagiri: what's sad is that the labs keep the improvements to themselves
himekokatagiri: at least that's what my copium sense tells me
himekokatagiri: if there's a wall it'll last two weeks tops
sarik0497: To be fair, it does take hiccups and slowdowns into consideration. Things can easily slow down due to a wall. It’s why I love Hassabis. He’s already working on another architecture for AI.
himekokatagiri: hell discord itself does that
himekokatagiri: and feeding it to an LLM
himekokatagiri: I know someone's out there scraping it
himekokatagiri: are like that
futurist_wizard: Its like purgatory
himekokatagiri: most discord servers
futurist_wizard: It's crazy, this server has over 3,000 people and yet i see basically the same 15 people over and over again
sarik0497: Not too bad then
sarik0497: Wait, actually, it puts Proto-AGI and GPT-5 to 2026-28.
sarik0497: Oh, I know, and I take the timeline as just an estimation. For instance, it thinks GPT-5 comes out in 2026.
himekokatagiri: we live in abnormal times
himekokatagiri: neutral couldn't have predicted the 2022-2025 period
himekokatagiri: neutral doesn't cut it these days
sarik0497: It has taken RSI into consideration too. This is its best “neutral” guess
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0rCHX14Ip8
himekokatagiri: hell maybe a few days to weeks from AGI
himekokatagiri: if RSI is a thing maybe earlier
sarik0497: Ah, I see.

If o4-mini is correct in my conversation with it, ASI should be around 2045-50, so that’d 25-30 years after. Who knows.
himekokatagiri: as in it happened
himekokatagiri: no
sarik0497: Behind as in far away from it?
himekokatagiri: I hope we'll be waaaay behind the ASI lines.
sarik0497: Weird to imagine the world in 50 years.
himekokatagiri: I ain't ever gonna retire
himekokatagiri: heh don't worry
sarik0497: Yeah, welcome to Society. Only 50 years to go for retirement. <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
himekokatagiri: think most would