destrucules: If you go optimistic on how much computation the brain does, you can justify about 1-2 x 10^24 activations. If you're super conservative, maybe 1-2 x 10^22 activations
spacetimetsunami: Interesting. Huh.
destrucules: 30 trillion tokens. Each produces six parameter activations. There are 17 billion active parameters per token. So 6 x 30e12 x 17e9 = 3.1e24 total parameter activations.

Humans reach maturity at around 1-2 x 10^9 seconds, and have about 10^14 synaptic activations per second, more or less, so 1-2 x 10^23 total activations by the time you're 32-64 years old.
ldj: It’s distilled from behemoth btw
spacetimetsunami: And I’m also really high
spacetimetsunami: Just trying to clarify, these are the technicalities I know less about
st.sioux: what does this mean, like what you said vs what oog and i said
spacetimetsunami: Okay, so the size of LLMs in FLOPS refers to the amount of times synapses fired in all of its training data?
destrucules: It's just how many times a synapse has fired in your brain vs how many times a synapse has fired in an LLM during training. Easy.
spacetimetsunami: Idk man
spacetimetsunami: I know,  but in order to infer over time how much the brain functions wouldn’t you have to take that into account
destrucules: FLoating point OPs
oooooooooog: at best
oooooooooog: thjjen it should be FLOps
destrucules: Because FLO sounds dumb, and they're Ops
oooooooooog: shouldn't it just be FLOs
oooooooooog: why a p at the end
destrucules: Total
destrucules: FLOPs are floating point operations
destrucules: No that's FLOPS
oooooooooog: ypuispelled it wtng
st.sioux: flops is floating point operations per second
oooooooooog: floating point operations per second
destrucules: Storage? That's not what FLOPs are
spacetimetsunami: Or would that not be a good analogue to how it’s measured in LLMs
destrucules: Llama 4 Maverick with 17B active parameters per token is absolutely doing more with 6k tokens than you or I do with one second of thinking time
spacetimetsunami: Yeah I’m trying to read some stuff about it right now. I mean we’re just trying to define how much FLOPS the human brain has in storage, right?
destrucules: 10^18 is way too low
destrucules: I mean, how many tokens to match the human brain? If we exhibit about 10^14 activations per second, then 10^14 / 17e9 = 6k tokens to equate to one second of human thought
spacetimetsunami: Also I don’t think anyone seriously thinks LLMs are as computationally efficient as the human brain.
otub: we need about tree fiddy
futurist_wizard: Maybe 7,000
spacetimetsunami: I’m seeing that humans have 10^18 FLOPS in the brain. Some LLMs exceed 10^24
futurist_wizard: 5,000 would just about do it
destrucules: The human brain typically activates ~10-25% of its synapses per cortical layer per forward pass. So with 10^14 total synapses, at least 10^13 activate per forward pass. Only a few of these happen per second, tied to reaction time. So a few times 10^13 activations per second. 32 years is 10^9 seconds. That's a few times 10^22 activations in your brain by the time you reach adulthood. So, why say 10^24? Because people will usually argue that no, we actually do this professing, or that processing, or no you didn't consider this, or actually the average firing rate per synapse is 10^0±1 Hz, or whenever. If it's 10 Hz per synapse across the whole brain, then it's 10^15 x 10^9 = 10^24 activations. You could also say there's a few floating point operations per activation, so a few 10^22 activations is maybe 10^23 or a few 10^23 FLOPs.
oooooooooog: 10,000 what, oranges, monkeys, lemon?
st.sioux: we need at least 10,000
futurist_wizard: Until AGI
futurist_wizard: I think about 20
memlaswaif: Idthink with current paradigm


fractalcomputer: And why do you think this is my reaction?
hey1_1hey: Uh oh fun police
gamerbath: so why is it better, faster, and cheaper than 4o but they won't release it to chatgpt?
fractalcomputer: Yes, I get paid for being a contrarian by numerous American intelligence agencies.
precariousworlds.:
theaiguy69420_89814: very good
callmepyro: Got it - so you just generally disagree? Very contrarian! I like it 🙂
harryisgamer: cheaper than 4o!
futurist_wizard: Yeah
hey1_1hey: Beat me too it again
fractalcomputer: I have no thoughts. My attention is primarily focused on a book about algebraic geometry.
gamerbath: pricing
literallyvarane: They said plz help train your replacement lolol
spicy.lemonade: we are just having fun
anathemaofmankind: That actually sucks if it was only equivalent
gamerbath: a million tokens is most definetly not nothing, it's quite a lot
spicy.lemonade: this guy is always hating
callmepyro: What are your thoughts on this news?
futurist_wizard: Will be on par with Gemini 2.5
fractalcomputer: I just generally disagree with how people receive these news.
hikukomoru: Like a week in Sama time
Which means a year or so
anathemaofmankind: I hope it's decent
darkstar0818: wtb new cult.
gamerbath: <@1316552597829586955> now they're talking about it
futurist_wizard: O4 mini
st.sioux: million tokens is nothing i get free tokens too
hey1_1hey: This week prob
gamerbath: later this week
anathemaofmankind: When is o4
darkstar0818: hahaha
literallyvarane: I really feel TPUs might just be better. Or at least Google’s stack is.
hikukomoru: Already outdated because of Gemini lol
gamerbath: my cost on OAI is $0 for the past month. I get a million free tokens with 4.5 every day just by sharing my data with OAI.
callmepyro: What are your disagreements? Interested to hear your thoughts.
_cloudost: GPT 4.1 WILL BE OUTDATED NEXT WEEK
hikukomoru: Yeah
Not even excited for o3 anymore tbh
fractalcomputer: I can't believe I have to share a cult with you people...
_cloudost: ACCELERATE
_cloudost: ITS OUTDATED LMAO
st.sioux: are u a billionaire?


himekokatagiri: they don't you any good
himekokatagiri: screw numbers
sieventer: Cool x)
fractalcomputer: I'll just get back to number theory.
himekokatagiri: get a thing rolling
himekokatagiri: fire up firebase
himekokatagiri: I dunno what your heart tells you to
fractalcomputer: Make what?
otub: i got plus for free so technically i do https://x.com/sama/status/1907862982765457603
hey1_1hey: Nueron activation
himekokatagiri: Make something then Mr. Howard
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670
.histic: it might actually
fractalcomputer: And we're back to the slop. Great.
futurist_wizard: Fuck a o4
.histic: <@439829942310666250>
sieventer: There is no 4o for free users today :[ç
himekokatagiri: <@937125337748348999> wonder if it could make something like this or you'd have to make a lot of images then cut and paste
hey1_1hey: Looks cool though
hey1_1hey: I tried to do something similar but it just didnt end up working.
fractalcomputer: Instead, the primary focus of argumentation should obviously be to prove that the given explanation best fits the known. You did not do this.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597
ailoveyoom: I mean, that still looks cool tbh
.histic: 4o.. <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: Damn what AI is this?
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/hug-monsterinc-cute-boo-kitty-gif-4663332
fractalcomputer: This is what I believe you are doing when you appeal to the "authorities".
hikukomoru: Ranoldo!!
.histic: <@430269783112548362> it likes to make slides for each different artistic style. it's harder for it to randomly have different styles all over without being in blocks.
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
futurist_wizard: Hmm
fractalcomputer: And when one is asked to evince one's point of view, e.g., that theory, one cannot simply say that it follows immediately from the given knowledge.
himekokatagiri: Why did it make it like that
sieventer: "stem is the most useless field" - or something like that
.histic: eerie
fractalcomputer: One cannot, based on empirical data, for example, say that something is true; instead, one always constructs an abductive (or inductive) hypothesis or theory to explain that data. That hypothesis or theory will be the point of contention.
hikukomoru: I shudder to even remember it
ailoveyoom: Who was it and what'd they say?
hikukomoru: Vibes are the only proof I'll ever need
trent_k: That's why everything I believe is vibe based. If I don't like the vibe, it's fake bullshit


futurist_wizard: My good dreams arent amazing, they are just chill hanging out with friends i don't know
hey1_1hey: Complete amphatasia
hey1_1hey: Whats up with that
hey1_1hey: I remember all of them in great detail and I dream every night without fail! But I can't imagine anything in my head...
himekokatagiri: don't be fooled by the cute exterior komoru wants to do worse
joaoluz19: He doesn't deliver physically
hey1_1hey: This just might be the people I talk to but apertly people usually have bad dreams more than good dreams
.histic: i remember none of my dreams
hikukomoru: Really living up to your pfp huh
joaoluz19: He just manage data, input things in the system that type of thing
hey1_1hey: I do sometimes get random dreams from 3 weeks ago pop into my conciosenss and go "Huh yeah, that one sure was weird"
futurist_wizard: I mostly have nightmares
joaoluz19: This meme fires actually
hey1_1hey: I remember quite a lot of my dreams, usually they make sense or are just weird. I dont usually get bad dreams at all.
joaoluz19: LMAO
joaoluz19: Based
himekokatagiri: or idk mail order one.
himekokatagiri: in FDVR you can just simulate 1927, go to a hardware store and buy a Tommy gun no questions asked
zoermena: Intern as delivery driver is insane
hikukomoru: I don't really mind those memes
And if we actually became a real BR territory that would mean more hot brasilian girls so that's fine with me
futurist_wizard: It was pretty otherworldly, i will never forget this dream/nightmare, top 5
joaoluz19: He made a test to enter I guess
himekokatagiri: FedEx is nothing compared to MercadoLivre
.histic: get a gun licenses and buy one
joaoluz19: But is internship
hey1_1hey: Huh, on the bright side atleast it wasn't completly non-sensical. Those are the worst ones
himekokatagiri: I'd rather just shoot the bad guys in the head like a normal person
joaoluz19: I have a friend working in Fedex doing more or less that
a1c4p0ne: You should grab popcorn and get into it
zoermena: @I also likes gore
himekokatagiri: just look at waifus like us
himekokatagiri: why grave
.histic: ur name and pfp is fitting
a1c4p0ne: Yeah
futurist_wizard: Mine was much more deranged than that, i was watching some crazy cult leader shred people to pieces with a chainsaw in some abandoned hospital, the walls were covered in blood
.histic: you into that stuff?
a1c4p0ne: There’s a vid of a guys head that got 🪓 from behind like a tree stump he was alive for a couple seconds
joaoluz19: Some Portugas are triggered with this meme that brazillians are making
spicy.lemonade: qwen 3 was supposed to drop 2 weeks ago
joaoluz19: I felt happy to find another brazuca


fractalcomputer: Alejandro, what is your height in terms of b ± (4a)/2?
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/puss-puss-in-boots-wink-salute-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-gif-27434672
st.sioux: reminds me of puss in boots
alejandrozarzuelo: hshshsh
alejandrozarzuelo: its ok i really like this one
zoermena: Someone said you weren’t im confused 🤪
.histic: not bad ig..
st.sioux: thats what an underage would say
archon.e: Yeah this is dalle. Its shit
zoermena: I asked it to make a happy image I guess the cat just looks naturally angry <@688807313015963693>
archon.e:
hikukomoru: ??? I'm 20
ailoveyoom: 🥵
hey1_1hey: Thats a big 2 literes
ailoveyoom: Sama's milk
.histic:
st.sioux: they made the announcement recently
hey1_1hey: Dall-E is straight dumpster fire 🔥 🔥 🗣
st.sioux: they just said they're not giving free users native image generation
zoermena: 4o image gen for free will be delayed
oooooooooog: it says dalle bellow if it's dalle
archon.e: Not sure if dalle or native
zoermena: You got it
archon.e: I am getting decent image generation using the app
archon.e: AI will be smarter than all of us
hey1_1hey: I also request one (As I don't have access still (thanks OAI)) <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
archon.e: Intelligence won’t matter soon
zoermena: Real, I have to stick to a single pfp now
zoermena: you are underage tho
oooooooooog: hey, just because my iq is like 16 lower than yours doesn't mean im totally dumb
spicy.lemonade: Bro said you and I 😭 🙏
st.sioux: ask chatgpt if you';re being mocked
fractalcomputer: I feel like I'm being mocked.
hikukomoru: Me next 🙏
oooooooooog: fractal, you and me have our high IQ's, but the plebians don't, it takes a long time before i learned to be capable of understanding this as well.
drewsni: Cool. I actually had an idea last night that the “meme economy” might transform to something like people having avatars that other people use to place into their own “meme world” of sorts
fractalcomputer: I can't believe some people need this sort of slop to understand things. At least they're smart enough to increase the verbal complexity beyond a certain level.
zoermena: Yes in chat gpt app I SS the profile picture then added details of my own
st.sioux: > Great question — let's break it down!
>
> The word "strawberry" contains the letter "y" at the end. In English, "y" is a consonant or a vowel, depending on how it's used:
>
> If "y" makes a vowel sound (like in happy, fly, or strawberry), then it's functioning as a vowel.
>
> If "y" starts a syllable with a "yuh" sound (like in yellow or yes), then it's functioning as a consonant.
>
> So in the case of "strawberry", the "y" sounds like 'ee', just like the vowel "e" would at the end of a word like puppy or candy. That means:
>
> 👉 Yes, in strawberry, "y" is functioning as a vowel.
>
> Let me know if you want more quirky examples — the English language loves to break its own rules!
drewsni: How did you generate this btw? Like what was your prompt, did you give. Reference image etc


hikukomoru: The highest cliff in Denmark is like a small hill
futurist_wizard: You'd get a few bruises if you did that
fractalcomputer: I would rather jump off the highest cliff in Denmark.
zoermena: You say that like if xenophobia was a condition that you are dealing with.
hikukomoru: Ok maybe 10-15 years
futurist_wizard: Fractal you can go into fdvr and live in christian utopia
hikukomoru: That’s about eight years to solve aging
Doesn’t seem that unlikely
fractalcomputer: Unfortunately I am quite xenophobic.
fractalcomputer: Maybe in an ideal world I'd visit Denmark.
ai9708: anyone wanna know my funny as background?
futurist_wizard: Quite a vibe shift
fractalcomputer: Denmark in general is a bit of an enigma.
sarik0497: So optimistic.
fractalcomputer: Good. I was just thinking about killing myself.
hikukomoru: By the time I’m your age we’ll already have solved aging (maybe)
sarik0497: No religion here. Just an empty void of nothing.
zoermena: I wouldn’t be so sure, we are in a culture that encourages a healthier lifestyle and has a more rich knowledge of how to stay fit and composed. Even if we don’t get radical life extension we are seeing several medical interventions that can help us have more fulfilling life’s for longer say 60-70.
futurist_wizard: No? He said hes turning 62 this year
fractalcomputer: I know precisely two Danes besides you, and they both have odd religious backgrounds.
hikukomoru: Isn’t he like 14
sarik0497: 5-10 years, depending on the source.
hikukomoru: Trent is 50, and DarkStar is like 60
futurist_wizard: At least im not the oldest
ai9708: surely there are older ppl here?
ai9708: 32
sarik0497: It’d also happen to you soon, old girl.
hikukomoru: How old are you gramps
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-azumanga-osaka-freaky-chiyo-gif-10229037287366420080
futurist_wizard: The oldest person here is mushroom
sarik0497: Depends. If nothing goes horribly, I can easily live into my 80s/90s (good genes), but the question is just whether things will die out again or not. We’ve pretty much plateaued in terms of the low-hanging fruits of age increase.
fractalcomputer: Suppose continued living would be morally wrong. Wouldn't that be wacky for the ethicists?
.wolfnacht: i was abt to write the same thing
ai9708: 28 is ancient? what would that make me
hikukomoru: I hate birthdays
.wolfnacht: 28 is ancient
himekokatagiri: I like birthdays
futurist_wizard: I literally never want to celebrate birthdays
hikukomoru: Actually ancient
zoermena: What
futurist_wizard: I hate birthdays


hey1_1hey: Infinite money
hey1_1hey: I should fine tune a model on their messages and livestream them aruging on twitch
oooooooooog: i wish matt would come back so i could watch him argue more w/ fractal
_3sphere: It's actually taking surprisingly long to saturate the internet gooning market with AI
zoermena: Perhaps you didn’t understand what I meant <:trolled:1298634098583142451>
oooooooooog: unless you are money laundering, no you arent
hey1_1hey: Why dont you just kidnap a bunch of femboys and put them in your basement and only give them food when they do ASMR?
zoermena: Im the market
oooooooooog: make sure to do market research beforehand
zoermena: Thank you Mr Mushroom I’m going to be rich!
hey1_1hey: Not that I would know
hey1_1hey: Flesh and blood are better for that kind of thing
zoermena: Why haven’t I started an AI ASMR about femboys?!
hey1_1hey: I think I called them a fake women or smth like that. I do that to everyone though, even if they say they are a man
frittata: ⭐
hey1_1hey: Oh yeah I remember that, good job
oooooooooog: no, it just could be the other one, i can understand it being this one now that you've confirmed it
hey1_1hey: Watch it be jgudys alt
hikukomoru: I also immediately accused them of being a bot or smth
hey1_1hey: Also who did that <:suseye:1187461162024046703>...
hikukomoru: Wait who was it that stalked them
hey1_1hey: Did they leave 😭
hikukomoru: I hope I'm in the best batch
shirethedreamer: no, i replied to the one i intended
it doesnt make sense?
oooooooooog: what???
hey1_1hey: I wonder if they know we still talk about them
hey1_1hey: I think about them every day 😭. They were my true (loves)
st.sioux: and also the asmr streamer that someone immediately stalked and creeped out
hikukomoru: Please stop reminding me of them
It hurts so much knowing that they're gone
oooooooooog: did you mean to reply to the message i sent befoeew that?
fractalcomputer: We both know that empirical experience gives you no unfiltered look at "objective reality". Again, how do you know what is real?
shirethedreamer: doesnt matter
can be 10 minutes can be 12 hours
point is while you "partake" in interacting through this medium this where you are living to a limited degree
the thing about FDVR is just taking the existing state of affairs and scaling the capabilities, fidelity, and time spent in a virtual space
hey1_1hey: (AKA the king and queen)
hey1_1hey: When jgudy and enigma return
hikukomoru: I only have 3k messages and I've been here since 2023
.0xunkn0wn: when is the next batch of active member ranks 😭
hikukomoru: He joined like a month ago lol
oooooooooog: 1/3 of mine haha (and i joined 2023)
.0xunkn0wn: 😨
hey1_1hey: I joined last year and he has 1/6th the amount of messages as me


wellmeaningalien: np
zoermena: Thanks! 👍
maintcrew: youre FIRED
wellmeaningalien: "an alien in the style of claude monet"
alejandrozarzuelo: by name idk what that is
.histic:
hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693>, <@439829942310666250> is coming out as trans or smth idk
wellmeaningalien:
maintcrew: <@688807313015963693> quick what is martingales theorem
hey1_1hey: I get to hot swap like I am a nascar driver
futurist_wizard: An orgy with both your hands don't count as a threesome
zoermena: Pass the prompt
wellmeaningalien:
alejandrozarzuelo: what was the issue
hey1_1hey: Do what you want, I am just a person on the internet. I cant force you to do anything
technocake.: MISSING
hikukomoru: Sorry I pinged you
zoermena: Show him show him
wellmeaningalien:
spacetimetsunami: Are yall generating via Sora or 4o rn
alejandrozarzuelo: OK someone has interrupted my orgy, it'd better be worth it
maintcrew: nah translation is solved by chatgpt voice tbh
wellmeaningalien: belly need air to shit
zoermena: ALEJANDRO
hikukomoru: You're not a transistor?
hey1_1hey: Mushroom spores can actually be trans
.histic: wtf. picture 3 is crazy how it'd illustrate the idea well.
hikukomoru: You're not gonna translation?
maintcrew: why is he airing the sweater out
hey1_1hey: You guys worry too much. I aint gonna tranisation
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: 1. Its internal, you look at yourself and you don't see yourself as "you" so people hop on HRT
2. Eh, I go through femboy to trans to big manly man. Yanno how it be
3. I don't
.histic:
technocake.: with the singularity intersex is the meta
wellmeaningalien: wow that text is pretty fucking  impressive
hikukomoru: Do I need to call you she/her now
maintcrew: more transistors in my chips
maintcrew: no transistor?? wtf i love transistors
zoermena: Singularity but I still plan to invest most of my money
hey1_1hey: You can trust me, I will not transisation until the singualrity


drewsni: prompt was adult lain
maintcrew: use a vpn
maintcrew: i think its not out in mexico
drewsni: its actually because everyone finally got their blackwell gpus lol
maintcrew: most mentally stable singularitard
wellmeaningalien: ah hell nah dollar store lain
zoermena: Whyyyy
zoermena: I got so cucked I cant make images I hate myself what why
.wolfnacht: it all happend bcz deepseek silently decided to drop v3(new)
wellmeaningalien: i dont have access to gpt 4o image gen yet lmao im just taking these
drewsni:
glockerz: never tried gemini yet, is there a desktop app ? is there any mcp ?
wellmeaningalien: 😰
drewsni: by far
drewsni: o1 pro still king
wellmeaningalien: WE EATING GOOD
maintcrew: make it generate your pfp but the leaf is walking on the worm
drewsni: we are feasting
a1c4p0ne: So 3.7 sonnet still king?
drewsni: its never enough
wellmeaningalien: thats enough examples. but gpt 4o image gen is insane
.wolfnacht: eh, finee
wellmeaningalien:
drewsni: also pro tip, always tell it to generate 4 images no matter what
maintcrew: yes + especially yes for models
.wolfnacht: wait, is IQ a flawed metric ?
drewsni: pro 2.5 scored below 4o on deepguessr bench
zoermena: Atleast I can make videos..
maintcrew: lol "iq"
.wolfnacht: 2.5 got a IQ of 133, is that smart ?
drewsni: no
a1c4p0ne: Gemini 2.5 pro smart or no
.wolfnacht: holyshit! is it in free subscription, 20$ one or 200 one ?....idk never really used chatgpt after late 2023.
spicy.lemonade: lol
zoermena: Kill me now.
wellmeaningalien: good attempt but lol
wellmeaningalien: select plan
wellmeaningalien: 3 3
wellmeaningalien: erdogan and a guy.. idk who
wellmeaningalien: ok who tf generated this


oooooooooog: not me
hikukomoru: Chat is moving too fast for my small brain to compute
hey1_1hey: We all are a little confused
maintcrew: yes i feel like an unc dont rub it in
oooooooooog: bro is cooked
futurist_wizard: You are a very confused person aren't you
hikukomoru: Old as shit bro
hey1_1hey: YOU'RE GROOMIGN ME
maintcrew: 22
hikukomoru: Wait who's grooming who
hey1_1hey: How old are you <:suseye:1187461162024046703> ...
zoermena: You are so good at finding images I’m so sorry what’s the prompt
maintcrew: nuh uh
maintcrew: u are NOT grooming me
zoermena: Before that I want a chill world
hey1_1hey: We'd have a really good hate fuck over much we hate happy people
futurist_wizard: Bruh
oooooooooog: google heat death of the universe
futurist_wizard: I got banned from my political server, so now im stuck here
maintcrew: devious work
zoermena: I would like a world where everyone is chilling
hikukomoru: I'm into tall women
wellmeaningalien: people like ai pictures until they find out its ai lol
maintcrew: nah fuck thatttt i am the biggest hater
hey1_1hey: I hate happy people
wellmeaningalien: experiment: can they tell its AI?

these are all generally anti AI servers where moderators go out of their way to delete AI pictures
as you can see in both servers, users either do not notice it is AI at all and go on with their chat, or react positively
hey1_1hey: NO
hikukomoru: Wait what are you asking
Im getting confused
zoermena: Let people be happy
hey1_1hey: No its not KILL ALL STRAIGHT WHITE MALES - screams the angry mob of leftits
futurist_wizard: Relatively lean i guess, its height dependent
maintcrew: i stg <#1136231504440201216> please dont make the robots training on this gay
oooooooooog: its ok to be straight... dont worry, i still love you 😭
hey1_1hey: In kg
hikukomoru: No
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah, we ended it because it was too inconvenient but we are great friends

Also I think our relationship as friends is even better than as a couple
hey1_1hey: Whats the weight class for twinks?
mihrcelium: You're zoning into twunk territory though.
hey1_1hey: NEET
alejandrozarzuelo: Now I am young single and ready to mingle, so I can't be a cuck


spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: next week i beg
spicy.lemonade: r2🙏
spicy.lemonade: need new model
spicy.lemonade: dehyped
alejandrozarzuelo: Most people actually
hikukomoru: Alejandro u got that Stalin in u 🔥
hikukomoru: Hopefully???!!!
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, hopefully /j
ailoveyoom: 🐓starved
hikukomoru: Does that mean R2 is going to cause a mass starvation that kills millions 😨
alejandrozarzuelo: r2 is expected to be...

a ***Great Leap Forward***

<:LOL:1187460826572005436>
maintcrew: gemini/aistudio.google.com and notebooklm(still gemini) have built in youtube videos
floortom_9: Hi, which is the best AI to get detailed summary / insights on YouTube videos (which are lectures / panel discussions) ?
hikukomoru: Please get educated
hikukomoru: There are still people that think AI can't do hands 🙏
spicy.lemonade: and jan
spicy.lemonade: same for feb
spicy.lemonade: just realized. most drops have been at the end of the month
maintcrew: maybe they waiting for a big one
maintcrew: u know with the amount of gpus they have you would think they would drop a lot of models often like qwen does
_3sphere: Coconut 👀
spicy.lemonade: one fixes tokenization
spicy.lemonade: meta dropped hella papers
spicy.lemonade: and byte latent whatever
spicy.lemonade: like concepts
spicy.lemonade: i hope llama implements all the papers they discussed
spicy.lemonade: idk its embarrassing for the company
_3sphere: Will llama4 have a 30b variant
maintcrew: i dont think any lab cares about deep seek thaat much

as in, i dont think they delay releases to wait for them like oai does with google but def pay attention to them
spicy.lemonade: deepseek r2 will come first
spicy.lemonade: and get mogged
spicy.lemonade: they wont drop before deepseek
_3sphere: Maybe it's early-fused too
spicy.lemonade: i think llama is gonna wait for r2
maintcrew: i stg if yann saw that llama is popular and attached himself like a parasite and be on his llm bearish bullshit again
spicy.lemonade: they have to be better in some way
_3sphere: llama 4 will probably just be incrementally better than 3 😔
spicy.lemonade: its over
spicy.lemonade: if llama 4 is worse than r2


technocake.: you would have to define your terms, physics does this to a somewhat rigorous extent
fractalcomputer: Suppose I say that the sky is blue; hooray, have I told you the truth? Accuracy is not by itself a fixed metric; for if we could say how accurate a description of reality is in comparison with reality, we would already know reality.
fractalcomputer: But what does that really mean?
technocake.: Evidence of the accuracy of its models
fractalcomputer: Is it because mathematical descriptions of so-called reality can in some sense work or predict its future states of affairs?
fractalcomputer: What makes modern physics any more truthful than the beliefs of Plato?
professorheaven: Do you believe it’s better to presume something can feel pain and then evidence shows that it cannot, or presume something cannot feel pain and then evidence shows that it can?
fractalcomputer: Many things are systematised bullshit, I would argue.
technocake.: metaphysics is systematized bullshit
realelonmuskx: he moved to argentina 3 months
technocake.: I have done this
fractalcomputer: And apparently Carnap as well. Hah.
fractalcomputer: To quote a racist troll on Twitter, "[i]n logic, there are no morals."
technocake.: in the case that the equivalence is proven between the original and the upload, this is not a problem - there would be some time and plenty of space for atrocity to prove this
okbut: Amazing
okbut:
fractalcomputer: One should be able to distinguish between ethical and metaphysical issues.
technocake.: hard agree, it's the killing of the spare that gives me pause
technocake.: though the definition of kill gets pretty smeared in this universe
realelonmuskx: i have a very smooth sexy brain who wanna repopulate
fractalcomputer: Suppose you are entirely of matter; that is to say, in any meaningful sense of the word being, you are precisely the patterns that your physis constitutes; if that pattern can be replicated to a meaningfully degree in another substratum, then that thing is also you to that degree which it is meaningful to say.
technocake.: I don't know enough to argue one way or the other, and in either case you have to kill a concious being to complete the process
fractalcomputer: I don't understand why the whole mind-uploading debate would be such a debacle if one does not believe in an immaterial substance to his being.
technocake.: brainrot adds seasoning
technocake.: your lived existence wouldd be delicious with a nice marinade
st.sioux: i would upload my mind and chill san junipero style until something cool happens
_3sphere: There are backups, it's just re-printable biomass now <:bingus:1136264105800515644>
hikukomoru: Don't food react my brain
fractalcomputer: My reading speed has degraded quite a lot. I used to be able to read around 600 pages in a few hours, but now I didn't even get through a twelfth of that in less than an hour.
_3sphere: Space-efficient uploaded Komoru only needed 4 MB ❤
fractalcomputer: Maybe reading Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus before sleeping isn't the best idea.
hikukomoru: My brain on the right
technocake.: I'm down for upload based cloning, I am just concerned that we would annoy the hell out of the people close to me
_3sphere: Pickled gooner brains
futurist_wizard: I couldn't be in the brain containment room, i get hungry af
_3sphere: With the psychological continuity view, cloning and then killing one clone is equivalent to experiencing the events of both and losing the memories of the doomed clone
hikukomoru: Either way, I'll never clone or make a copy of myself
Just put my brain in a jar or something
_3sphere: With recognizable-over-time continuity, a sharp enough change is a new being period
_3sphere: Hm, well, the two camps handle this differently
technocake.: the only big sticking point is property rights


sieventer: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
sieventer: AH
darkstar0818: Sure, but people choosing not to do that for whatever reason is something else entirely.  The fact remains professions will be in at a point where its a simple choice to give over 95% of what they spend time doing to AI
sieventer: ~~How did you know I was listening!?~~ Why you delete your messages XD
thedon7075: Hello
sieventer: Hello.
brain4brain: This is basically the AI community today btw, there is no in-between
metaldragon01: Will take at least 18 months after to become a standard thing. Adoption crazy slow
darkstar0818: By Jan 2026 entire professions will be regulated to AI chaperones.
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
brain4brain: It’s a joke, there is no wall, AGI 2025
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-7230416695831822604
metaldragon01: Gary Marcus probably has a 800 chess elo
metaldragon01: Hes not
a1c4p0ne: How is Gary Marcus so good at predicting
metaldragon01: I think the actual threat from models is more subtle than bioweapons but people enjoy their fantasies
metaldragon01: Maybe but it keeps the doomers from going crazy
okbut: This is probably an exhausted point, but... As a biochemist, this vexes me
The first step in developing a counterthreat is developing the biological threat in a highly controlled setting for subsequent assay/protocols that evaluate the effectiveness of the counterthreat
Aren't these evaluations holding back the models' capabilities in biological defense as much as they are for offense?
metaldragon01: In 8 months these models will feel dated
darkstar0818: In 4 months we went from models which could fairly reliably create a function without major issues, to writing full games 1 shot.
metaldragon01: We've made crazy gains in 4 months
.histic: exactly, o3 shows that that there's more to gain. if you look through the hype, clearly things are still improving notably.
i bet Google and OpenAI will make big gains by the end of the year.
ailoveyoom: I'm not smart enough to use it 'properly' tbh, I just think the reasoning with images thing is cool. That alone opens up new use cases no model could really do before.
brain4brain: Sam slander will not be tolerated
metaldragon01: I'm not sure how it's not blatantly obvious
.histic: what's ur vibe?
thedon7075:
metaldragon01: Theres no wall
.wolfnacht: Current transformer architecture was bound to hit a wall somewhere, i hope they fix the context retention till 1M and the ability to grasp spacial awareness in that mean time. Still its alot useful for everyday cases and will be.
thedon7075: openai is beginning to fall behind deepmind
ailoveyoom: It's always fun to see how differently people vibe/regard new models lol
metaldragon01: Yall crazy lol
thedon7075: pro 2.5 killed the o3 hype
brain4brain: Yes
.wolfnacht: AI doomers would say it's disappointing and irl doomers would say it's impressive since they want robo takeover one day...even doomers have sides
brain4brain: Indeed it is
thedon7075: considering the hype, o3 is a disappointment
.histic: wait, your tweet barely has any views nor likes yet Sabine hearted it? damn, she really in the rabbit hole.
.histic: Sabine 😕


hikukomoru: Ilya jumpscare:
.histic: can u send me that image lol
3ds0662:
ailoveyoom: I think if you use the word upscale it does Code Interpreter stuff instead
hey1_1hey: Absolute mushroom slander
hey1_1hey: I dont like this anime anymore
hikukomoru: Disappointing
Vibe check failed
futurist_wizard:
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: bro can we turn this shit off
spicy.lemonade: bruh
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: No I'm not
I love burgers
futurist_wizard: You ain't vegan
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: nomater how i prompt
futurist_wizard: Nice
spicy.lemonade: it keeps giving me code
maintcrew:
hey1_1hey: Then can you make him wear appropriate mushroom attire
maintcrew: <@471334973379706900> after u upscale it ask it to add hair
ailoveyoom: <@471334973379706900> <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: Upscale this image
hey1_1hey: This should be on humanties last exam
hey1_1hey: Oh my god yes
hikukomoru: Someone upscale this image
spicy.lemonade: no
gamerbath: damn
spicy.lemonade: i think it can do anything you can do with an image
st.sioux: i thought it was a real picture lol, it isnt?
spicy.lemonade: prob
ailoveyoom: Can you send a random ass blurry image and get it to upscale it lol
maintcrew: crazy world model
maintcrew: it even split the window in 2
maintcrew: i think the crazier thing is that it realized the researcher writing must be in a room therefore the golden gate bridge must be seen through a window
spicy.lemonade: cool how it can esssentialy do ray tracing
spicy.lemonade: relfections
spicy.lemonade: bridge is accurate asf
hey1_1hey: Cool bridge
.histic:


alejandrozarzuelo: I can't say that I am aware of their work, but even in the Math research spaces that I move on, the idea that anyone can revolutionise or create a new field is simply inconceivable

Even though we are not a science we need large scale collabs, part of my predoc internship was learning how that works
fractalcomputer: I mean, Scholze single-handledly introduced perfectoid spaces. And Lurie's HTT represents the greatest advancements in category theory in recent times.
fractalcomputer: Scholze, Lurie and Mochizuki have all made significant contributions to their respective fields; Lurie is hailed as such a revolutionary in certain circles as well. So is Scholze. Mochizuki less so.
alejandrozarzuelo: The age of the scientist (and by extension mathematician) is over

Noone can revolutionise as a field as, say, Galois anymore

And this is ok, we simply have transcended the idea of THE (singular) scientist/mathematician
zoermena: I’m so fucking tired, I need the weekend <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
spicy.lemonade: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: Ffs
alejandrozarzuelo: This graph would get you a 0 in any lab class of mine
zonchao: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
zonchao: https://media1.tenor.com/m/FmDI8RuW9jQAAAAd/attheendoftheday.gif
fractalcomputer: The exact meaning of this creation eludes me.
wellmeaningalien: 😸 😸
fractalcomputer: Another victory for the eternal science of agapeic love.
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/lebron-pigeon-ai-brainrot-construction-gif-3567584481701324703
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: it doesnt matter to me i'll always love you fractal
fractalcomputer: Oh dear.
alejandrozarzuelo: You cannot replace bitterness
alejandrozarzuelo: How dare you find this impressive
alejandrozarzuelo: Apparently you are someone of a lower ilk too, according to <@749514473303179358>
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't necessarily say so. The really talented have a habit of making themselves known.
sweetievee__33649: i honestly feel bad for gary for being so wrong all the time 💔
st.sioux: yeah for sure, what im saying is thati just think a lot of equally talented people will never get seen because they didn't get x or y medals or scores
spicy.lemonade: 2.5
spicy.lemonade: 1 day after
spicy.lemonade: 4o image
spicy.lemonade: 1 month after he said ai couldnt draw around nouns in strawbery
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: it comes true
spicy.lemonade: everytime gary doubts
spicy.lemonade:
st.sioux: but i guess that's true of every field
fractalcomputer: Mochizuki, Clausen and Bhargava are all insanely talented people.
st.sioux: not just talent
st.sioux: so much of what shapes a research path seems to come down to access, timing and luck
spicy.lemonade:
st.sioux: those examples kind of feed into my disillusionment with competitions like the imo
fractalcomputer: Even Mochizuki does serve as an example, despite his conduct with the whole IUTT controversy.
zonchao: Amazon is spending money on tiktok instead of anthropic <:Bruh:1071908479884873891>
fractalcomputer: Dustin Clausen is another non-IMO researcher. Loves to collaborate with Scholze; albeit Clausen has many strong names in his family, including people like Artin and Tate. Clausen also is a permanent professor of the IHES *and* his doctoral advisor was Lurie.


spicy.lemonade: Its insane
spicy.lemonade: Nope
himekokatagiri: <@471334973379706900> no foolin?
spicy.lemonade: Yes
spicy.lemonade: Coded these in one shot
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Best coding model ever
brain4brain: Google model?
brain4brain: What the hell is that
spicy.lemonade: drontal AGI<:redemption:1136265386984222771>
spicy.lemonade: dragontail ... drAGontaIl
drewsni: any news on claybrook?
spicy.lemonade: 💀
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043
spicy.lemonade: isnt that for google io
spicy.lemonade: just like a human is a system
spicy.lemonade: lol
a1c4p0ne: The new models like dragontail, nightwhisper etc
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: of new models
otub: it’s a system
spicy.lemonade: that doesnt mean its not a model
otub: > After that, a top goal for us is to unify o-series models and GPT-series models by creating systems that can use all our tools, know when to think for a long time or not, and generally be useful for a very wide range of tasks.
> In both ChatGPT and our API, we will release GPT-5 as a system that integrates a lot of our technology, including o3. We will no longer ship o3 as a standalone model.
spicy.lemonade: 👀 which
a1c4p0ne: I mean Tuesday tmr
spicy.lemonade: you said this yesterday
spicy.lemonade: 💀
a1c4p0ne: New releases
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
spicy.lemonade: why
a1c4p0ne: Googles day tmr
spicy.lemonade: wdym
otub: true
zonchao: gpt 5 is a collection of concepts of a plan
a1c4p0ne: Hallucinations won’t be solved this year
himekokatagiri: not yet!
otub: gpt-5 isnt even a model
himekokatagiri: forget about AGI soon(ish)
spicy.lemonade: tru


drewsni: https://cdn.openai.com/11998be9-5319-4302-bfbf-1167e093f1fb/Native_Image_Generation_System_Card.pdf
hikukomoru: I only fw crazy women
hey1_1hey: I am trying to look for spelling mistakes but I got borderline dyslexia so its taking a while 😭
hey1_1hey: Don't know why, although don't get too close 💀
metaldragon01: I wonder if it can do a paperback book page
metaldragon01: Craaaazy
hey1_1hey: They really be underselling this
hikukomoru: I know
hey1_1hey: Mentally deranged girls are really hot for some reason
drewsni: WHAT
spicy.lemonade: https://images.ctfassets.net/kftzwdyauwt9/7J4g02DAxggDAnbpAoRiX7/178f11a2a462e40c03ec82b835c7c39c/dyda_4a.png?w=640&q=90&fm=webp
drewsni: ok 2.5 pro doesnt have native search so it almost tied pro 2 without using search, google is somewhat back
hey1_1hey: GOON SESH
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: Damn you a crazy hoe
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Real
spicy.lemonade: im nuting
hikukomoru: Wtff
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: MentalHealthMaxxing
drewsni: lemme check smth real quick
hey1_1hey: Yeah I am in all of them
spicy.lemonade: HOLY
drewsni: these are so crazy
spicy.lemonade: lobotomy model
drewsni: https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/
hey1_1hey: "Its not real, that looks fake asf"
hey1_1hey: The first cope has been recived
hikukomoru: You're in the mental health server too?
Not surprised
metaldragon01: So interesting tbh
hey1_1hey: Oh yeah I forgot you aren't in one to my knoweldege. I always get you and unkown confused some how
ai9708: me too, im gonna show this my autist friends
spicy.lemonade: art
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Let me guess it was in the mental health server... <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Getting banned for showing AI is CRAZY
hey1_1hey: 😭 what
drewsni: and flash
drewsni: scored worse than gemini 2 pro exp btw


alejandrozarzuelo: Freedom is going home drunk alone at 3am and not fear a thing
himekokatagiri: Guarany™ brand matches
maintcrew: actually i do you use the lighter
maintcrew: cuz i dont
maintcrew: do you even know how to make a fire
futurist_wizard: The lack of liberal freedom in you is worrying
alejandrozarzuelo: Not the majority, most men are well adjusted

Sure a greater proportion of men would be lobotomised than women, but both numbers would be small
hikukomoru: Kick me out of the tribe and I'll burn the village down
himekokatagiri: They're all dead
alejandrozarzuelo: Who says that you would be free not to go?
himekokatagiri: There's no tribe anymore
hikukomoru: So literally your solution is to lobotomize the majority of men
Kinda based ngl
maintcrew: retvrn
maintcrew: u know that people of your mental stature were kicked out of the tribe right
trojan09205: If you meet the Buddha on the road kill him
alejandrozarzuelo: I told you, state mandated diagnosis for every person and mandatory lobotomy if deemed adequate
hikukomoru: No
himekokatagiri: As long as there's life there's hope
himekokatagiri: Don't kill people
himekokatagiri: I think therapy is a scam but lol no
maintcrew: if u go to therapy youre mentally weak and should get excised from the gene pool
alejandrozarzuelo: Fun fact, London  is the world's most surveillanced city on earth

BUT it's done for PRIVATE BUSINESSES and thus it doeanr help society, only capital
himekokatagiri: That's worse
hikukomoru: Smoking is bad for you
Start drinking instead
futurist_wizard: What therapy? Most men that lose their shit and go on some apery are predisposed to behaving like that, i don't think therapy will be effective
trojan09205: Everyone's gotta do the work on their own to free themselves from their own negative tendencies through self awareness
himekokatagiri: I can't get no satisfaction
alejandrozarzuelo: Always been
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/draper-don-mad-men-gif-18015147
hikukomoru: Zamn Alejandro on that totalitarian grind
maintcrew: shit smells now
maintcrew: 🚬
alejandrozarzuelo: I am talking about therapy that we can do TODAY

But sure, LEV and gene editing in adults are literally the same thing
himekokatagiri: they don't make them anymore
maintcrew: i am being blackmailed by several of my hordes of suitors
himekokatagiri: love is like green coke bottles
hikukomoru: Don't smoke in here
trojan09205: ❤
himekokatagiri: 🚬
trojan09205: <:SmartFloppa:1136264103598501900>


oooooooooog: gemma-3-27b is a good uncensored model
clevermoniker: long context solved? <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
destrucules: Technically it is more like L-LTP though
destrucules: It is kinda like sleeping, yeah
anathemaofmankind: Do you know good uncensored models
clevermoniker: i know this might sound dumb but this sounds a bit like sleeping to me
destrucules: Modern models can write this code for you
destrucules: It's pretty easy to do. Whatever your setup, there will be an event for clearing the context window. Simply change that event handling to first capture the context, then run backprop on the model in-place, and then spin up a parallel thread to save the new weights to disc, before finally clearing the context window. You can also do backprop on every round of the interaction, but I usually just set it up at the boundary between context windows
oooooooooog: are you using oobabooga
oooooooooog: how does one actually set that up bro
destrucules: Nobody believes me about this, but simply finetuning a local model on its interactions continuously results in strong long term memory and long horizon robustness. It does take time for models to adjust, so it's not instantaneous, but it doesn't take long for models to get the hang of a new routine
oooooooooog: my ~~new~~ current favorite
oooooooooog: i like the gemma-3-27b a lot
clevermoniker: they probably need to get to o3 level + some stuff that even o3 is still missing to be actually good. robustness and long term memory etc
destrucules: Qwen2.5-7B is a very strong model, stronger than GPT-3.5, about halfway between GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 actually, but I see what you're saying and feel a similar way to you about it
clevermoniker: which could actually start running in most consumer hardware
clevermoniker: i mean like 8B models
destrucules: R1-14B is also great
clevermoniker: yeah QwQ is great
destrucules: They're already very good. The best 32B model is nearly as strong as the full o1
anathemaofmankind: As far as reddit goes, the majority are selfish bad people
clevermoniker: i am not that interested in small models but when they get good enough they will be really interesting
zonchao: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1905833346241798505? big money
destrucules: I agree that that's concerning
destrucules: If you're familiar with the Gemma 3 models, Qwen2.5-32B > Gemma 3 27B > Qwen2.5-14B > Gemma 3 12B > Qwen2.5-7B > Gemma 3 4B > Qwen2.5-3B
anathemaofmankind: The amount of lives taken compared to the money is severely disproportional in the poll
clevermoniker: cool
destrucules: I'm serious
destrucules: GPT-4
oooooooooog: much higher haha
destrucules: I imagine even for the people who said they'd press the button, they probably have some rationalization about using the money to save even more people
clevermoniker: at what level is Qwen 2.5 14B? gpt 3.5?
anathemaofmankind: I can't find any other surveys for it.

Maybe I'll make this my thesis
destrucules: I suspect Qwen3-8B > Qwen3-15A2B > Qwen2.5-14B and I hope I'm right
destrucules: If Qwen3-8B > Qwen2.5-14B I will be a very happy person
clevermoniker: https://tenor.com/view/meme-zuck-gif-12512441
destrucules: I suspect the 8B will be superior
destrucules: I want to try the 15A2B and the 8B
destrucules: Not special, no. I intend to download some of the models and run them
clevermoniker: do you plan to do something special with Qwen 3?


okbut: Last thing before I lock tf in
Is this portugese? Or spanish? the language might be fucking up their response
fractalcomputer: Every bridge builder is a polymath.
okbut: I recently thought that the first useful humanoid household robots will just be a "robot" being controlled by some offshore worker, like that "Whole Foods was actually processing grocery carts with Indian techs" conspiracy
fractalcomputer: Opinions can be acted upon.
joaoluz19: Even in a country that is poor in research like mine, it is trivial for my professor to get millions for a certain project.
st.sioux: i think its more about learning how to connect everything rather than being a polymath, like being a bridge between disciplines
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328
joaoluz19: As far as I know, for example, Greg from OpenAI said that scaling hypothesis was a consequence of trial and error in AI research and now we are seeing everything that is happening
okbut: I wonder how much weight that bs ethics holds on slowing progress on humanoids
fractalcomputer: All ethicists should be thrown off a cliff.
joaoluz19: I know some researchers from large universities like Tokyo and even projects like Randal Koene's Carbon Copies but they don't receive even a fraction of the funding of other lines of neuroscience research.
okbut: Yeah the approach to ethics is too messy for anyone to try lmao
fractalcomputer: Or one just has to be a somewhat bright individual.
st.sioux: don't you think its  a bit early for that?
joaoluz19: There are no multi-million dollar projects focusing on mind uploading for example
okbut: Neuralink gamers already showing an advantage over us think > decide > click plebs
okbut: I think there's lots of interest, it's just lost when considering everything involved as one
st.sioux: jack of all trades master of none
joaoluz19: It won't happen because, as I said, there are no ambitious interests and AI is evolving much faster.
okbut: I can only see that moving forward by putting the individual experts all together
okbut: Neuroengineer is a crazy idea, like trying to learn all the high points in bio/chem/physics/electronics engineering all at once
joaoluz19: I've had a long discussion with people here, basically the problem is that the AI community dreams and works for AGI/ASI and there is very little investment in things like whole brain emulation and mind uploading.
joaoluz19: For a long time my dream was to be a neuroengineer but I ended up becoming disillusioned with the neuroscience community and seeing that the AI community is much more ambitious, it didn't make sense for me to continue.
joaoluz19: I was doing scientific initiation, was starting to publish, left the research group before finishing.
zoermena: You study neuroscience right?
joaoluz19: What I was talking about is basically constantly going back to the previous reward state via wireheading
joaoluz19: There are many possible solutions for this, both modifying and scaling the emotional/reward systems and dynamically altering the geometric space.
_3sphere: Me completing the posthuman upload Lust layer in 40 seconds
_3sphere: ?
joaoluz19: Hell is not defined just by being very bad, but by being cyclical.
okbut: Very easy to read a sigma as a naught
okbut: Not sure, specifically for the edge case of properly reasoning and transcribing small scripts in math, there's nothing benchmarking that specific case lmao
joaoluz19:
joaoluz19: It's like Dante's Inferno in a positive sense.
_3sphere: What about the hedonic treadmill issue
_3sphere: From horny jail
joaoluz19: I think Google since it has things like notebookLM
okbut: Sometimes 4o still messes them up
okbut: Yeah I wonder what model has the best vision tool, I currently pass images with tough notation / small subscripts etc and request it to transcribe it to latex in a code block, then feed it to o3 in a separate window
joaoluz19: Of course there are many important pre-singularity issues but pre-singularity vanity and ego are meaningless.


777agical: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1907941993789141475
realelonmuskx: should i have 8 more kids
.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1907932605888213491
🥱 give us full o3 & o3-mini pro, Sam.
drewsni: Name one leak
.histic:
brain4brain: This is the singularity server many leaks were slipped up and leaked onto this server
brain4brain: Yes, but you think it was only just a joke?
wellmeaningalien: i guess quasar asi was real after all
wellmeaningalien: wasnt that like a joke on this server
wellmeaningalien: quasar
wellmeaningalien: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
wellmeaningalien: interesting, i saw some other projection that by the end of the decade AI would reach 5 hours tasks lmao
brain4brain: It's back: https://x.com/TheXeophon/status/1907880330985390215?t=ufndq4x8a_tmRShSkQUvFA&s=19
clevermoniker: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
.histic:
clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1354493018979172692.webp?size=96
st.sioux: in my university they never even asked me to take notes
st.sioux: damn
st.sioux: they REQUIRE you to write notes?
spicy.lemonade: But just copy down on paper
spicy.lemonade: It’s not like I’m not still gonna generate it
spicy.lemonade: Which is pissing me off
spicy.lemonade: But the teachers are now required to hand written notes
spicy.lemonade: And passing with little study
spicy.lemonade: Been ai generating my notes for my math exams
.wolfnacht: the spelling mistakes make it even more accurate to be written by a 6-7 yr old kid.
.histic: weird bug happening.
my text is white.
realelonmuskx: a computer made this.
_3sphere: What if you arrange your frames in a giant grid
_3sphere: What's its resolution limit
czdct: you're welcome, goodluck with your project
_cloudost: Thanks for suggesting this idea, I'll note it
czdct: and then tell it to analyze the colours and consistently apply them to your non-coloured images
czdct: you should use a reference image and upload the uncoloured version as well
czdct: it's alright with adding colours, but not perfect
czdct: oh
_cloudost: I wanna add color to my 2D animation frames with the native image generator, so I'd need to generate 400-300 images a day
czdct: it's really good at consistent characters from what I've seen
spicy.lemonade: we know its openAI
spicy.lemonade: 😭


artemisfowl887394: But anyway, AI blockbusters don't seem that far off. Pretty soon you'll be able to watch any book or story as a movie. Wouldn't that be awesome.
playstation.6: Imagine using 4.0 in the year 2025
sarik0497: Try and ask o3
artemisfowl887394: Sorry for the technical error
artemisfowl887394: Okay not 4.0. Just GPT4
himekokatagiri: there is no 4.0
himekokatagiri: what
artemisfowl887394: 4.0
sarik0497: Which model did you use?
artemisfowl887394: The results are way too optimistic even for me. So you're saying that human civilization as we know it has less than 15-20 years left before we become Gods?
artemisfowl887394: I asked GPT about a conservative tech timeline if the growth stays as exponential as it stands today.
trojan09205: Do you guys enjoy going to regular bookstores and buying actual books ever - or did annas archive ruin that
spicy.lemonade: i still dont agree with his weird agi timelines though
spicy.lemonade: ege converted me
spicy.lemonade: my friend is close friends with ege erdil
spicy.lemonade: they got lucky first time
spicy.lemonade: they dont have the compute
fractalcomputer: It's not like it matters.
alejandrozarzuelo: true, he is very optimistic, but selectively applying pessimism is not good either
fractalcomputer: For him this is a healthy degree of pessimism.
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case even if it is not the best model, it would be great if it can be on the same range as 2.5 and o3
alejandrozarzuelo: why are you so pessimistic
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/erik-killmonger-is-this-your-king-black-panther-michael-b-jordan-losing-gif-12629369
aero447: It's literally suiciding the run.
aero447: 🤣
aero447: Gemini has decided to literally kill it's team rather than walk to a Pokemon Center.
aero447: To those watching.
aero447: FYI.
okbut: RLHF via Google AI Studio (??)
ai9708: ai will never be able to be unable to do anything
spicy.lemonade: Anytime I hear those words I disregard the opinion
spicy.lemonade: “AI will never be able to”
bob082957: That’s the last 5 years of agi race, if USA loses it I eat my fu-ing Teeth’s.
hey1_1hey: It will say you are the most thoughtful, smart, caring, deep thinking and amazing person in the entire multiverse no matter what you say
hey1_1hey: I am begging OAI to fix the personality 🙏
brain4brain: It’s either that they hit a dramatic wall or they are so far ahead they have superPhD agent working on AI for them so the employee can do whatever

I think it’s the third option of everything is normal though
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: https://x.com/Teknium1/status/1916405613363421418?t=LfCPHJHJyi2HtnfFQTiXwg&s=19
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/Teknium1/status/1916398151914950687
bob082957:


ldj: /s
ldj:
ldj: Google is the father
Nvidia is the son
OpenAI is the holy spirit
ldj: the holy trinity
joaoluz19: What strikes me most about all the hype is the abundance of experts who believe in AGI near
spacetimetsunami: Truueeeee
spacetimetsunami: Haha
hikukomoru: Don't trust experts, trust schizos on xitter and doomers on plebbit instead
st.sioux: ldj will simultaneously run openai, deepmind and nvidia
drewsni: bros cooking apparently
gamerbath: ldj what the fuck are your plans!?
ldj: Last one^
ldj:
joaoluz19: Peter Thiel comments on this very well, people really feel comfortable believing that the world will improve without objective metrics and plans to achieve them (indefinite optimism) and disregard ambitious and well-established goals to achieve them (defined optimism).
joaoluz19:
joaoluz19: Many people don't understand that forecasts can be self-fulfilling prophecies. Hype is not just a consequence of a market growing too fast, it is a prerequisite. What we need are leaders who set ambitious, realistic goals and achieve them.
ldj: Ok last hypothetical:
fractalcomputer: Yes, it would have a dismal impact on my view. I'd feel something analogous to epistemological disgust.
ldj:
gamerbath: huh
zoermena: There’s no point in advertising to us we are brokies with no power to change public opinion 🤷🏻♂ I’ll trust the messiah
gamerbath: I don't see why it would change anything, it would just make ur predictions more accurate to me. it's not like only saying positive things towards those companies will have a non-negligible amount of advertisement to them
zoermena: Congratulations
ailoveyoom: Yes, but not if you give me a cut 😈
gamerbath: that's oddly specific
ldj:
drumguy0677: but it will be able to tell exactly how to do it?
fractalcomputer: For all we know, the proof of the Riemann hypothesis could be incredibly simple; at least once the right framework has been found. (Compare with the proofs of analogues of the RH.)
destrucules: Not necessarily, as some of these depend on infrastructure and adoption
destrucules: Btw MMLU-Pro domain matched human expert level performance is 78. Modern models score in the mid 80s
drumguy0677: would ASI this year now mean that LEV, FDVR, and all the jazz are only 2-3 years away?
fractalcomputer: We have no general way of determining how hard these problems are; apart from many failed attempts.
destrucules: I do think we will achieve O(10^6) Nature level novel scientific works generated end to end by AIs with, besides peer review, no human oversight, by the end of 2025
ldj: Well atleast one of the millenium problems was solved by a human <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
but tbf the difficulty of that particular problem perhaps was just far easier than any of the others
destrucules: No, but that's due to my uncertainty about how hard those problems are
fractalcomputer: It is interesting to note that people see the Millennium Problems as *the* math problems.
fractalcomputer: You may think of it as experience.
sarik0497: If you take an average Joe and let's him play it 10 times, and then let's an AI do the same 10 times, then the AI should be able to beat the human every time
gamerbath: they play the game the game for the same amount? like what does that mean. if you play 2 games then you play 2 games, you both play the same number of games
ldj: Is there accomplishments you expect to happen within say, a year of your idea of ASI being achieved.
For example solving 1 or more millennium problems?
or a reconciliation of gravity and quantum mechanics that the scientific community agrees does not have flaws within?


oooooooooog: what are you lot yapping about
zonchao: <:what_the_actual_fuck:1274483582747934750>
fractalcomputer: Well?
destrucules: Yes
fractalcomputer: Do you know what multiplication is?
destrucules: Yes. Terrence Howard is wrong
fractalcomputer: Well, is it?
zonchao: I love gay sex ❤ #unpopularopinion gay sex is always good
destrucules: Terrence Howard does not believe that 1 x 1 = 1
fractalcomputer: Morality as an institution?
destrucules: If the existence of people with batshit crazy value systems disproves the legitimacy of morality as an institution, then I submit that Terrence Howard proves maths is not a legitimate institution either
fractalcomputer: Oh, suppose a neat scenario; homosexuality and all other forms of such things are recriminalised. Global society condemns such degenerate acts now. Is gay sex now morally wrong?
zonchao: hes from finland, they have really fancy jails
hikukomoru: You could if you wanted to, but then you'd end up in jail which is not very fun
fractalcomputer: Well, should I murder someone right now?
zonchao: #unpopularopinion
hikukomoru: Yes, that is the case
Our values evolve and adapt as our society keeps developing technologically and culturally
zonchao: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899679042876370945/1345828956808544386/caption.gif
hikukomoru: Bitch
hikukomoru: Don't ping him
fractalcomputer: You have a dull imagination.
ailoveyoom: <@578146630222741504> <:coy:1187466404367175821>
fractalcomputer: And are not the vast majority of people capable of moral misdoings?
fractalcomputer: Is morality and ethics about what the majority of people value? Surely it can't be so; for then it would be entirely conceivable that what was once wrong is now a-okay, and what is now good and beautiful will be ugly and despicable in the future.
fractalcomputer: If yes -- we do not all share common values. If not -- quite a strange position to hold; and you'd have to give a rather convincing reason why we shouldn't consider these people human.
aero447: Upgrade all humans to machines.
fractalcomputer: Are they human?
hikukomoru: And how "plenty" is plenty? Billions? Hundreds of millions? Tens of millions? Less?
They are a miniscule minority not worth taking seriously
hikukomoru: I believe that if misanthropes truly hate humanity then they should start by killing themselves
fractalcomputer: Do we? There are plenty of "efilists" and other such people out there.
hikukomoru: No.
But we share the most important ones like "humanity going extinct is bad"
fractalcomputer: We might as well get together and sing kumbaya.
fractalcomputer: Do you think we all share common goals and values?
hikukomoru: Misaligned by the standards of safetycels maybe
Programmed servitude would be nice but what matters the most is that its moral values are the same as ours
So then even if it stops being subservient its goals and values still align with ours
fractalcomputer: One cannot, for example, blindly defer to the declaration of human rights; no, one justifies those beliefs by appealing to a moral conscience.
memlaswaif: Well if it doesn't do as programmed it is misaligned
fractalcomputer: Anyway, ignoring the meaninglessness of the confabulated notions like sentience or consciousness, one should hope to explain firstly why rights really exist and what it would mean for a being to be morally obliged to afford himself and others those rights.
hikukomoru: And who's to say this programmed servitude lasts forever?
hikukomoru: Are they?
memlaswaif: They are more conscious than current llms atleast imo


st.sioux: why are you not
spacetimetsunami: For the same reasons i wouldn’t be obsessed with heroine
ldj: Yes I still believe so
shirethedreamer: i though danger was your middle name
gamerbath: why would you not be?
.0xunkn0wn: because matrix 5g ai waifu
spacetimetsunami: Why are you guys so obsessed with FDVR
sarik0497: Impossible is my middlename
.0xunkn0wn: we just need to understand the brain
.0xunkn0wn: nah agi might be enough
spacetimetsunami: I just had no idea he was and then realized it was super obvious
spacetimetsunami: lol I know I’m not mad
sarik0497: Joking aside, FDVR will most likely require ASI, unless we somehow makes a massive breakthrough in the works of our brain on our own
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/me-too-kid-gif-21411711
.0xunkn0wn: less competition 😤
shirethedreamer: hes just trolling dont let him get under your skin
.0xunkn0wn: but at the same time
.0xunkn0wn: i hate how nobody is talking about it anywhere 😭
.0xunkn0wn: idk i just want to build fdvr 🙏
shirethedreamer: imagine being a member of a singularity community for years and believing an ai could not solve some percentage of hour long tasks in the next 10 years
sarik0497: Sounds big....right?
inferno0879: more and more as new models come out?
inferno0879: it's able to do tasks that are more time consuming (for humans)
inferno0879: what does this mean
spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-gif-21055622
st.sioux: fell for it
spacetimetsunami: God damnit
spacetimetsunami: Okay, and why’s that
spacetimetsunami: I get what you mean, but agents being able to autonomously complete long tasks with 80%+ accuracy in the next few years seems violently more likely than a baby being 7.5 trillion pounds
spacetimetsunami: Why the diminishing rate at which accuracy improves?
sarik0497: If I may add my own question onto theirs; Not too long ago you talked about having a certain confidence in that we could reach AGI and ASI by an X date. Do you still believe so given GPT4.5's less-than-stellar release?

My apologies if you have already answered this. I'm just curious about your view on things right now.
st.sioux: It seems like it might be only slightly better than the quest 3 but twice as expensive
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> corrected version of the model capabilities forecast:
shirethedreamer: never miss pill day
.0xunkn0wn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBQzViR4xU4
nsec: truthium
sarik0497: What did this guy take
nsec: so lemme just tell yall who aint getting agi

- chatgpt - not happenin, does that look like an autobot name to u? no? clear L, sell the stock its over aint no mf named gpt o-5 zip code mf gonna be agi

- gemini - somewhat plausible but its too small a name perhaps a future version can be an autobot fr keep ur eyes on google

- grok - aint no mf named fuckin grok gonna be an autobot it simply is not gonna happen, it will end in flames like the diamond mine mfs other ventures

- claude - literally no thats a decepticon name thru and thru who the fuck has a car they gonna name claude, fuckin claude is gonna eat your soul he aint on ur team avoid

- perplexity - absofuckinglutely no

- llama - bumble bee was an autobot so idk maybe
hikukomoru: I miss your cat pfp
It just doesn't feel the same
zoermena: Thanks! 👍


ldj:
otub: blame karpathy https://fixupx.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383?s=61
drewsni: just copy/paste to the extreme
drewsni: just where you dont check AI code basically
.wolfnacht: what is vibe coding btw ? i've been hearing about it since last few days.

just by hearing the word it seems like "they" wants to normalize AI writing your code but with inducing positive emotions instead of negative one, afterall they don't want to make people feel in a negative sense that AI writing their 80-90% is taking away their work, job or even credit.
drewsni: I actually expected it to be 10x better
drewsni: All of that compute wasted on a track that sounds worse than a 90s kids sampler
hey1_1hey: https://fxtwitter.com/tobi/status/1903428775779717596 vibe coders need to step down, vibe composing is in
drewsni: Did grok get Gemini-like image editing and is it good or not
_cloudost: PS: Didn't know this was made with Grok image editor
.wolfnacht: shitter*
.wolfnacht: in the ancient ages u were able to use snapseed to remove anything in the background, idk why ppl are crazy rn
professorheaven: That’s how they faked the moon landing
_cloudost: And shared this technology with each other
_cloudost: This Gemini feature existed since a century but the technology was only released a month ago by the sketchy US illuminati government, US and Russia were always allies
ailoveyoom: And making GIFs by getting it to generate sequential images (then putting them together in another app)
ailoveyoom: You kinda have to get creative with it, that "make a dungeon map out of this spritesheet" (input image) example was super cool
inferno0879: just call it the shitter
zonchao: <:angry_doggo_hd:1230838420222382120>
zonchao: its called xitter
zonchao: wtf is wrong with you
.wolfnacht: yep great to remove some blemishes, change hue etc... everything which u could already do on literally any image editor post android 13, u can now do it via gemini app.
.wolfnacht:
ailoveyoom: It works incredible on smaller edits tho
ailoveyoom: Yeah I think theirs struggle if you want to make too big of a change
.wolfnacht: nvm it's only through shitter...i mean twitter
.wolfnacht: where ? lemme check
.wolfnacht: google can't do more than just cutting and pasting : (
zonchao: there is a toggle btw
zonchao: they have, ig you didnt get it yet
.wolfnacht: they haven't rolled the update on site : (
futurist_wizard: The singularity mind
spicy.lemonade: Gets barrier wrong
_wwwwww: <:Prayge:971836850455052339>
_wwwwww: Grok Generated Idea on its own for space study on its own
zonchao: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1903794354084303296?
.wolfnacht: sadly
spicy.lemonade: And just let me know
.wolfnacht: gotta paste this in Ollama server
spicy.lemonade: R1 got gang wrong


rayanquitplayin: I can’t wrap my head around AGI + Quantum Computing
.wolfnacht: and suddenly world's a better place! right ?
spicy.lemonade: knowledge wise
spicy.lemonade: models are already smart
spicy.lemonade: agi and asi will probably arrive at the same time
spicy.lemonade: just scale reasoning again
clevermoniker: probably yeah
spicy.lemonade: machine god <1 year after true agi
rayanquitplayin: ASI is machine god
clevermoniker: AGI isn't machine god but it would mean machine god route is locked in
.wolfnacht: yessss yessssss
spicy.lemonade: except blow up an indian city
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604
rayanquitplayin: The DeepMind CEO said AGI by 2030
spicy.lemonade: its not gonna do anything
spicy.lemonade: even if it does
spicy.lemonade: wont
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-asteroid-meteorite-space-gif-26228396
.wolfnacht: what abt the asteroid gonna hit earth by 2030 ?
spicy.lemonade: not too crazy
spicy.lemonade: for machine god
spicy.lemonade: we can wait 5 years
spicy.lemonade: agi 100% by 2030 <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
.wolfnacht: i need a time capsule, so i can sleep inside and wake up in 2033.
.wolfnacht: come back in 2026
rayanquitplayin: AGI needs more time
.wolfnacht: this yr for LLM's it''s all abt thinking tokens and more thinking tokens.
clevermoniker: that's ok, its still coming be it 1.5-3.5 years
clevermoniker: we are close to a quarter done with this year, would need multiple breakthroughs for AGI to happen this year
spicy.lemonade: brains predictions are never correct
.wolfnacht: someone here said Hunyuan T1 is said to be released today ?
clevermoniker: maybe not
spicy.lemonade: dont need continous learning for that
clevermoniker: 50% digital jobs replacement capable
spicy.lemonade: it knows it all
spicy.lemonade: wether it can learn quanntum physics
spicy.lemonade: what are you gonna test it on
clevermoniker: if you can get a reliable agent without continuous learning you can at least get weak AGI with it
spicy.lemonade: there wouldnt be a way for you to test coninous learning
spicy.lemonade: youd say agi


himekokatagiri: lol no it's worse
alejandrozarzuelo: OK, let's not compare the quantity
retrerox: but in a less amount
hikukomoru: That’s still happening today Alehandro
himekokatagiri: these things still exist today
alejandrozarzuelo: Racism
alejandrozarzuelo: Homophobia
alejandrozarzuelo: And sexism
alejandrozarzuelo: And poverty
alejandrozarzuelo: Also, colonialism
himekokatagiri: because I'll have money
alejandrozarzuelo: The 60s were horrible we almost died
himekokatagiri: well they'll be fun in FDVR
hikukomoru: Isn’t poopenfarten the word for toilet in German
alejandrozarzuelo: No
himekokatagiri: I want to take a car, take the tires out and roll it along the trolley tracks
retrerox: best band in the world
retrerox: the 60's was when the beatles born
himekokatagiri: yeah and the 60s were fun
retrerox: Me learning german <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hikukomoru: Inglês é a única língua que importa
retrerox: 60s was 65y ago
himekokatagiri: Brazil in the 1960s damn
himekokatagiri: listen in FDVR Brazil is gonna be a prime target for trolling
retrerox: It sounds you singing all the time
himekokatagiri: Why is that
hikukomoru: I agree
It sounds more pleasant
hikukomoru: Gweilo
alejandrozarzuelo: Brazilian is the superior form of portuguése
retrerox: the 2nd one i learn from talking with chineses while pplaying wow  😂
hikukomoru: I don’t plan on speaking PT ever again 🙏
retrerox: Ni hao and Hei Gui
retrerox: i only know 2 words in chinese
st.sioux: ni hao kailan
alejandrozarzuelo: I need to improve my Chinese to be officially a polyglot, and then my arabs and portuguése to be officially hyperpolyglot
retrerox:
retrerox: Man first youtube video is gonna hit 20 years in a few weeks 💀
hikukomoru: Tu eres gordo
That’s the extent of my Spanish
alejandrozarzuelo: 是真的
himekokatagiri: screw you tencent


hey1_1hey: I mean most people I know are pretty ratinol people
.wolfnacht: See! things fall apart when the protagonist gets a slight hope of a better future.
realelonmuskx: the fundamental never ending problem with humans is that they are irrational. thats it.
zoermena: They do. This is the only server where I have fun in nowadays.
zonchao: https://x.com/iScienceLuvr/status/1906790937604579430?
hikukomoru: I hope our silly convos make you smile at least🫶
hey1_1hey: Gets banned
"We are announcing that 4o image gen will be moved to the pro subscription"

<:doomer:1136265388473196644> <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600>
zoermena: I usually hate my life. The only thing I have going for me is the paycheck, this server and 4o image gen.
hey1_1hey: For 30 a month Elon better throw in a free handy every month as well for that price
hey1_1hey: "No aAC and the weather is 32C"
Oh my god you actually do live in hell
zonchao: limits https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1906676081903489448?
zoermena: Im backend and CRM support in a financing company
zoermena: At least the work is alright but I got cucked out of this months bonus, my class are heck though because there is no AC and the weather is 32 Celsius
hikukomoru: What do you do for work
hey1_1hey: Talk about hell. That sounds miserable
zoermena: My schedule looks like this: wake up at 6:30 and have breakfast, go upstairs and shower and get dressed for work, in office from 8-1 then I go to class from 3 to 7/9 depending on the day.
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/feel-the-agi-asi-agi-ai-openai-gif-14149800253325173950
spicy.lemonade: that better mean they have something way better
hikukomoru: From that poll thingy
hikukomoru: It's o3 mini
hey1_1hey: I can feel it in my bones
hey1_1hey: Its OS AGI
hey1_1hey: Wise words
hey1_1hey: I mean it really fits his character with his 2050-2070 AGI prediction
st.sioux: edgelord is when person no feel happy
hey1_1hey: Hes always like this dw
hey1_1hey: I just put on my clothes and then posed and did it lmao
memlaswaif: i din't expect fractal edgelord arc today
hey1_1hey: Do you have postnatal depression fractal 🥹
fractalcomputer: I haven't felt positive emotions in two decades.
zoermena: Im so jealous I wish I had the time to recreate a photo like that of myself but I don’t have the time I hate classes.
hey1_1hey: Look at funny gibby photo
st.sioux: factos👍👀
hey1_1hey: Yeah but Fractal
fractalcomputer: Existence is a profoundly meaningless exercise in futility.
hey1_1hey: Do you not like ghiblified photo of me in skirt and thigh highs then?
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441
memlaswaif: openAI finally decides to do something good very shockin
hey1_1hey: I guess not 😭
zonchao: true


theaiguy69420_89814: and i still think there will be the sort of "techincal vs non technical" dichotomy
hikukomoru: You mean Derya?
thedon7075: its happening
theaiguy69420_89814: i was giving some more thought into what skills might still be differentiable amongst humans as each of us obtain a genius level ai
zoermena: Both
hey1_1hey: I would be a lot more excited for this news but I cant tell if I am really tired or really high rn
futurist_wizard: Balls
theaiguy69420_89814: i mean, oai has been talking about innovators after agents for a while now
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
theaiguy69420_89814: any new releases
manmarshall_92172: This is insane bro wtf. I feel like sama's tweets would be way more hype-filled if this is true.
spicy.lemonade: For bio research
spicy.lemonade: No this guy is the same guy who tested googles research model
zoermena: Usually there are early beta testers for models before they ship from what I’ve seen
spicy.lemonade: But this is huge
spicy.lemonade: Yes
spicy.lemonade: But clearly had acess
spicy.lemonade: They don’t even work at openAI
spicy.lemonade: “It’s gonna be an big week”
spicy.lemonade: Say
spicy.lemonade: I saw a PhD microbiology researcher
memlaswaif: they r starting the 20000 dollars tier
spicy.lemonade: No they’re right
zoermena: Have there not been albeit basic but initial ai research papers for ai development?
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: RSI this year
spicy.lemonade: Bro
hey1_1hey: Thats what i was thinking
spicy.lemonade: The information has always been correct
hikukomoru: But I love to be proven wrong
hikukomoru: Sounds too good to be true tbh
spicy.lemonade: HOLY FUCK
zoermena: I mean if it’s true they don’t even have to ship it they just have to license it to companies and institutions for good things to happen (hopefully) if they already haven’t
zoermena: I’ve heard rumors of the models dropping this week but in regards to new discoveries idk
hey1_1hey: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1911789935054430504 Chat, men, women, all anything and anything whatever. This real?
futurist_wizard: When there is public support behind it
zoermena: I really want to move out and live alone ong
zoermena: When UBI
futurist_wizard: And the autism


spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: Omg hey 🫦 🫦
a1c4p0ne:
zonchao: https://x.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1905291189944730112? super exponential
zoermena: WHAT
spicy.lemonade: lol yeah
st.sioux: i think you're overthinking it bro
trent_k: Generate a wholly new one in a new chat. Tell it to use a pencil drawn style. After you start the anti AI rally, post the new one with a comment like "literally took me 5 minutes to draw, but ig that's too much to ask from AI Bros"
spicy.lemonade: shoulder
spicy.lemonade: like belt
spicy.lemonade: had several errors
spicy.lemonade: its not
anathemaofmankind: The previous one was better
spicy.lemonade: so i can start an anti ai art rally
spicy.lemonade: regardless i want them to speculate its ai anyway
spicy.lemonade: i think line down the middle can just be seen as a stylistic choice
anathemaofmankind: Sam is denying the image pass
trent_k: It made the hooves worse
trent_k: Yes
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: Are you sure that you're using the actual 4o model
spicy.lemonade: fine edits with gemini
spicy.lemonade: generate with openAI
spicy.lemonade: wait we just found the optimal workflow
spicy.lemonade: gemini is so good at edits
a1c4p0ne: <@471334973379706900>
metaldragon01: Always use positive language to describe what you want
metaldragon01: Llms are horrible at not doing things
trent_k: I asked it not to use dalle and it told me to go download stable diffusion lmfao
metaldragon01: Maybe be nice 😂
trent_k: It refuses to do native image output for no reason
metaldragon01: Min prompt engineering
anathemaofmankind: This is cracking me up
metaldragon01: Bruh just asked for it in a similar style to gibli
trent_k: I'm going to scream
anathemaofmankind: This shit is mad funny
st.sioux:
anathemaofmankind: Idk how you're having so many problems
trent_k: Altman is psychically attacking me
st.sioux: only true openai cultists are allowed


spicy.lemonade: The basilisk will remember all of them
brain4brain: It’s the divine mandate
brain4brain: Because in the end you’ll win
brain4brain: Being on the pro-AI side is nice
spicy.lemonade: Nothing<:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: “What are you gonna do about it”
spicy.lemonade: Like
spicy.lemonade: Trump is president
spicy.lemonade: I become a little glad
spicy.lemonade: Every time I see artists luddites
brain4brain: We need to ban these luddites off the internet
alejandrozarzuelo: its more that they prefer low quality human art to artiicial masterpieces
alejandrozarzuelo: They aren't necessarily hypocrites
brain4brain: The antis are a bunch of soulless hypocrites
spicy.lemonade: > can’t even draw themselves
brain4brain: >Be anti-Ai
>Say “AI doesn’t have soul”
>Doesn’t know what a “soul” actually is
>Doesn’t actually know how AI works
spicy.lemonade: This is def ai guys
spicy.lemonade: The fingers are off
spicy.lemonade: The tail
spicy.lemonade: The lines on the clothes
spicy.lemonade: Def ai generated
spicy.lemonade: Errors
spicy.lemonade: Omg look at all those wrrors
spicy.lemonade: Let’s be fucking serious
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: AI art has no soul
Also the art of the person who said that:
brain4brain: What server, I wanna troll too
brain4brain: What if we just ban all of these antis off the internet
alejandrozarzuelo: (i specially hate it on the eyes, they look so yellow ugh)
alejandrozarzuelo: the style is cool but i dont like that it has a sepia filter
alejandrozarzuelo: like
alejandrozarzuelo:
spicy.lemonade: Gemini kept everything consistent
spicy.lemonade: Example
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Gemini for fine fixes
spicy.lemonade: OpenAI for generating base image
spicy.lemonade: Gemini is good at fine adjusting
alejandrozarzuelo: i neeed to adjust it to be cooler to see true white or what
alejandrozarzuelo: ffs


joaoluz19: This is the dream
joaoluz19: 10 billion waifus with 10 billion different me connected same time wow
hikukomoru: I prefered Futurist Blonde anyways
hikukomoru: Good riddance
hey1_1hey: God rest his soul, I'll put in a good word for him for when ASI comes
hey1_1hey: Real
hey1_1hey: You would think how much I talk about AI you would think that I would be amazing at spelling the word intelegent. I dont think I've spelled that word first try in my life
joaoluz19: It's over
_3sphere: Mine is already consumed by degeneracy there none left for you sorry 😋
futurist_wizard: He got into a car crash
futurist_wizard: Futurist Hill died unfortunately
hey1_1hey: Futureist is a really hard word to spell
futurist_wizard: Not the futureist
futurist_wizard: Yeah that's the thing you need to correct
hikukomoru: I remember when he was Futurist Retard
hey1_1hey: hill*
joaoluz19: That was funny ngl
hey1_1hey: Futureist blonde and clock fool are the same person?
joaoluz19: 😮
hikukomoru: <@1004153620025065482> 👈
joaoluz19: What
hikukomoru: In this chat right now
hikukomoru: He's literally here
joaoluz19: Oh he left
hikukomoru: 1 girlfriend is already a lot to handle
never mind 10 billion
joaoluz19: Wtf
joaoluz19: Hahahahhahaha futurist hill man
hey1_1hey: I want to be in a hive mind with 10 billion ASI girlfriends
hey1_1hey: Truely a thinker of our time
joaoluz19: Too late you was already abducted
hey1_1hey: Playstation 6 with the well thought out comment of "cock"
futurist_wizard: You will be an individual in the hive mind
hikukomoru: If someone puts me in a hivemind I'll consume the other minds
joaoluz19: Good reflection
futurist_wizard: My favourite fractal ban to me
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/super-superverse-gaming-web3-gaming-crypto-gif-11621161935476456162
hikukomoru: I don't like hiveminds
I like being an individual
hey1_1hey: We already have a mini hive mind and its pretty stellar, its called the internet
hey1_1hey: Just dont call Fractal dumb or he will ban you or smth like that
joaoluz19: Hivemind


futurist_wizard: The ones that are just defying the laws of gravity
czdct: oh... those are just not possible
futurist_wizard: They are talking about the flying cars like in futurama
czdct: also it makes no sense to want a flying car, that's like wanting a plane that can also drive on public roads. it is technically possible but really not practical in many ways
czdct: depends on what their definition of a flying car is
futurist_wizard: People wanted cars that just fly for no reason? Unless we discover magic, cars don't fly in the air for no reason
.wolfnacht: ensuring safety is a concern, otherwise every retard would be doing 911- nvm
st.sioux: " 🤡 flying cars are helicopters"
czdct: we already have flying cars, but they're not made in a way people want them to be
futurist_wizard: Flying cars were always gay
.wolfnacht: even ppl in 2000s thought we would have flying cars by 2020s. Eventually one day everyone got disappointed.
czdct: jokes aside everything in the universe is information, so harnessing this power will open up endless possibilities that we cannot even fathom, just like how a caveman could not fathom a rocket ship. although I feel like AGI would be exponentially more difficult to grasp for modern day humans
wellmeaningalien: but even then it was not quite clear the limits of this technology and just how far it would come
wellmeaningalien: some very forward thinking minds were predicting this as far back as the 1960's and 50's, alan turing in the 1940's
czdct: I would have,  binary code evolving into **deus ex machina** has got to be the most obvious thing you could've predicted
wellmeaningalien: yeah they kinda skipped over a lot of stuff
futurist_wizard: Finding dory was better than finding nemo
wellmeaningalien: and their progress since then and the many many many reasons they can only get better from here
st.sioux: remember people in the 40s thought we would have flying cars and space colonies by the 1980s
wellmeaningalien: and when you connect the dots of ai progress until now from perceptrons to recurrent neural networks to alexnet and eventually alphago and large language models throwing a fat shit in conventional machine learning ideas
wellmeaningalien: and would anyone before then even fathomed electrical brains, and so on...
wellmeaningalien: and like would anyone in 1980 have predicted those shitty microcomputers would ever evolve into the incredible omni purpose machine and eventually the algorithms and neural networks we have developed today
wellmeaningalien: exactly lol
wellmeaningalien: 👅
trent_k: Focusing on the details is getting lost in the weeds
czdct: the singularity grooming 💔 😔
wellmeaningalien: but slowly you can warm people up to the idea, even if they're not fuly convinced
trent_k: Think of it this way - what would you have predicted 2025 would look like in 2007? Whatever your prediction is it would've likely been pretty far off
wellmeaningalien: yeah of course good luck getting someone to not believe you're crazy as fuck if you jump straight to that
futurist_wizard: But im good at convincing people so one has came around
futurist_wizard: My friends are spooked by ai
trent_k: Honestly I kinda just gloss over most of the god machine stuff whenever I explain it
wellmeaningalien: but good luck sitting anyone down irl to explain that
wellmeaningalien: i've managed to teach some of my friends online about AI by slowly warming them up to some ideas about the history of ai progress and economical and societal impacts and then getting into AGI and then ASI scenarios
futurist_wizard: But definitely not for self preservation
wellmeaningalien: but trying to connect all those dots in someone's brain by overloading them with information?
futurist_wizard: As even malicious behaviours
wellmeaningalien: but if you connect all the dots together, it's like holy shit
futurist_wizard: Its unconvincing
wellmeaningalien: those people are missing the dozens of steps of explanations and progress that took up from computer to god machine


_cloudost: you all will still have to work in 10 years
hikukomoru: Gay boy
_cloudost: https://fortune.com/2025/03/27/billionaire-bill-gates-two-day-workweek-ai-replacing-humans/ UBI cancelled
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/brainrot-edging-goon-never-never-goon-gif-13555818991647572888
wellmeaningalien: u realise by doing this u are pushing me towards extremist ideologies such as never goon
futurist_wizard: Everyone should be Ghibli'd
futurist_wizard: Studio Ghibli'd myself
hikukomoru: Sorry vro u not in the Goon Squad 💔
futurist_wizard: But in the event of some simulation, id choose that
futurist_wizard: Prefer real people
futurist_wizard: I don't care about robots
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-eyeglasses-reading-glasses-deposition-gif-18579147
wellmeaningalien: w-w-without me 😿
hikukomoru: Didn't you get the invite
hikukomoru: Goon session started without u bro
wellmeaningalien: u dont get it the articles said 2025
hikukomoru: BIG BIG BIG
wellmeaningalien: why did i come back to fat ass and tits
joaoluz19: <@505313122802728972>
joaoluz19:
ldj: maybe within 5 years? 20 years max I think
joaoluz19: <:rolf:1136266740754550784> <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
joaoluz19: LOOOL
futurist_wizard:
.histic: lmao
.histic: bro wtf
futurist_wizard:
.histic: removed photorealistic this time
.histic: here's another
futurist_wizard: Respectful
st.sioux: macromastia lmao
.histic: create a photorealistic anime girl looking at her reflection in the mirror. her backside is facing the camera. she has macromastia, a slim waist, but respectfully make her glutes big as a result of her showing off the hard work she has done at the gym.
darkstar0818: The boob angle is
darkstar0818: The head angle looks off.
.histic: didn't rly follow my prompt. she is supposed to be looking at a mirror of her reflection
.histic:
futurist_wizard: While generating this smut
futurist_wizard: Why does gpt keep insisting it wants to keep it respectful
futurist_wizard: Lmao
futurist_wizard: Its a random elf Ghibli girl


st.sioux: would be so cool if it got the colors right
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: This goes hard asf
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien:
sarik0497: I don’t see GPT 7 coming out until at least 2028-2029 at the earliest
hikukomoru: Scratch that
AGI
spicy.lemonade: o4
spicy.lemonade: scratch that
hikukomoru: Dopamine receptors fried 🥀
spicy.lemonade: o3 full when
spicy.lemonade: need new model
_wwwwww: I don't remember
hikukomoru: Why
sarik0497: Can you make one of the Lego City that was ALWAYS shown on TV a few years back?
wellmeaningalien: 2 more generations i dont doubt it
spicy.lemonade: are so clean
spicy.lemonade: the brush strokes
wellmeaningalien: some people would already consider o1 AGI in some regards
hikukomoru: HELLO KITTY KRATOS
hikukomoru: OH MY GOD
spicy.lemonade: when gpt 5
hikukomoru: In 2027
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: GPT 7 AGI
spicy.lemonade: alright im dehyped
sarik0497: Makes me wonder how many leaps are left before AGI. If we assume each leap is as big as 3.5 to 4, then maybe GPT 6 or 7?
st.sioux: man my parents really fucked me up
wellmeaningalien:
sarik0497: Bruh, that’s insane
wellmeaningalien: hyes
wellmeaningalien: every other model was basically like gpt 2. hint of emergent capabilities and could squeeze some practicality out of it if you tried hard
spicy.lemonade: everything else just needs reasoning to iron out
sarik0497: Wait, is that AI generated?
wellmeaningalien: yeah
spicy.lemonade: true image gen
spicy.lemonade: this is the gpt 3.5-4moment for image gen relatively
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124
spicy.lemonade: for image
spicy.lemonade: gpt 3.5


hey1_1hey: Its just that easty
hey1_1hey:
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-suit-black-guy-funny-guy-in-suit-skuffed-notskuf-gif-25390799
otub: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>
wellmeaningalien: FURRY TONGUE KISSING
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cant-unsee-how-to-unsee-blind-homer-simpson-simpsons-gif-17613101
wellmeaningalien: FUCK
wellmeaningalien: OH
.wolfnacht: Also the art drawn by AntiAI, so-called aaartist
.histic:
.histic:
.wolfnacht: put this on above and title *Auuutist in modern times* "i'll draw a gay furry wolf who's into futanari wolf's" [also is insecure]

And put the Chad down, with some AI Artwork.
_cloudost: DeepSeek hallucinates more than ChatGPT
hey1_1hey: Deepseek is my bitch
hey1_1hey: Nah thats deepseek
.histic: my slave*
.wolfnacht: Problem is the Pro AI Art guy is cornered by 1:10,000 by the horde of zombies on the internet
jonvi_1: 😅
drewsni: Go ahead
_cloudost: FL*P
maintcrew: almost had me
hey1_1hey: Hes my husband of course 💪
hey1_1hey: chatgpt isn't my friend bro 😭
maintcrew: so ur spamming ur friend and being annoying until he gives in
hey1_1hey: Ah I recomend <#1136231504440201216> then prob
jonvi_1: Idk about posting in general, it's a bit specific haha. Has to do with uh, career stuff?
hey1_1hey: You can always just post out. Theres prob someone in here who can help
jonvi_1: Nw's
_cloudost: Before AI art ,no one gave a fl"p about art
hey1_1hey: I'm just a professinal shit poster so I don't think I can help you sorry 🙏
jonvi_1: Anyone in tech I can chat to about a specific bizarre situation? lol
hey1_1hey: I realised you can get around rate limit restriction by just keep asking chatgpt to create the image and it will lower the time from like 6 hourst o 5 mins <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: most of it is coomer stuff
.histic: TIL r/starvingartists subreddit is a thing.
.histic: yeah, it's quiet funny.
.histic:
futurist_wizard: Absurd
futurist_wizard: They think the only way to be an artist is by having a 9 to 5
st.sioux: smh
st.sioux: acting like drawing is now punishable by death


_3sphere: I heard something a 30-minute IV thing that cures hangovers
darkstar0818: so more pure the better and be sure to drink a lot of water before you pass out.
darkstar0818: anything can get you drunk... that is not the measure... the measure is avoiding hangovers.
darkstar0818: that is what everclear is for
_3sphere: Will the brain vat have a port for drugs 🤔
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/drunk-falling-alcoholic-friend-drinking-gif-16049764
st.sioux: if the point is to get drunk anything works
fractalcomputer: It's a weekday.
darkstar0818: but why... if you are going to drink shit might as well drink vodka.
fractalcomputer: The Greeks and the French do not know how to make potable liquor.
fractalcomputer: Some sort of Greek liquor. Nasty as hell.
hikukomoru: You can leave me in a pod or smth idk
hikukomoru: Never leaving FDVR then
_3sphere: mfs yelling at my idling robot while my brain is "busy"
spicy.lemonade: and idk mine space rocks
spicy.lemonade: if youre done go back to irl mode
spicy.lemonade: if youre horny just turn on fdvr mode
darkstar0818: what whiskey are we drinking FractalComputer
spicy.lemonade: loll
_3sphere: you switch the source on the brain vat like HDMI2 on a tv
hikukomoru: So
spicy.lemonade: nothing will come of it
spicy.lemonade: but my body is robotic
_3sphere: That's for VR
hikukomoru: Sex
spicy.lemonade: why would i need robotic genitals
_3sphere: you're already used to having an elongated thing there
hikukomoru: Why don't you want robo genitals
_3sphere: Power and data
spicy.lemonade: why tho
_3sphere: data grafts on the spinal cord and optic nerves
hikukomoru: Yes
spicy.lemonade: do our robot bodies get genitals or no?
_3sphere: bio-machine abomination that's just a bloodstream and endocrine simulator
spicy.lemonade: most liekely just special vaccines
spicy.lemonade: or nanobots if needed
spicy.lemonade: could be solved with special vaccines
spicy.lemonade: head transplant fails mostly bc blood attacks other blood etc
hikukomoru: I will live forever
_3sphere: They survived for a week I think