3ds0662: Idk about that, people have done some fucked things to others over money even look at our divorce rates number one reason finances
metaldragon01: Neither is better
destrucules: That is not outside of their job
destrucules: Imagine two scientists. The first scientist plays the money game. She applies for grants and wins, and her team does some real science, but it's science that is favorable to the grant committees. The second scientist studies only what he believes is the most valuable. He applies for grants too, but his applications do not meet the requirements of the grant committees, so he doesn't get awarded any grants. He doesn't do any science because he has no funding.

Which scientist is the better scientist?
metaldragon01: Not everyone is the idea of a soulless ambitious person because they have a level of success
ldj: I'm confused in how exactly this is related.
> They are simply employed to execute that power according to mandates they do not dictate.

Okay but we're not talking about the job responsibilities the person is executing on, or being directed to execute, we're talking about things they do outside of the job. Such as talking to friends online about their perspective on the industry.
metaldragon01: .....
metaldragon01: Unreliable
destrucules: If you don't play the money game by the rules, you get booted out. Having integrity doesn't fix this
metaldragon01: You actually in most cases don't want to work with the person that's that financially motivated or manipulated
metaldragon01: Especially to the point of throwing away one's integrity
metaldragon01: Money means different things to different people.

Not everyone is tied to it the way you think
destrucules: I think it's valid to criticize scientific institutions as well as more corporate institutions for being fundamentally corrupted by money
destrucules: Imagining that you yourself would magically be the exception... It's egotistical, but I think mostly it's misanthropic and cynical
destrucules: People in power do not *have* power. They are simply employed to execute that power according to mandates they do not dictate
3ds0662: In stargate sg-1 there were two episodes about such races, one the go’auld the parasites genetic memory and all knowledge of their predecessor was passed down through reproduction. The second was a much more darker  story where they did achieve synthetic neurons and nanotechnology for accelerated learning speed but basically one person consumed insane amounts of knowledge to then pass on to the entire civilization. Once they gave their neurons and knowledge away they were basically an infantile potato 🥔.
destrucules: I don't think a lot of people realize just how trapped these people actually are. How all of their power is tied up in whether the community of other rich people favors them. How quickly it can all turn to vapor if they say the wrong thing
destrucules: I think this is a very misanthropic perspective. You're implying that everyone in power whose messaging is bad is weak willed and lacks integrity, casting aside the incentives that shape the way they're able to present online
3ds0662: That’s unfair
ldj: my bad, sometimes discord glitches out and when I open the server it shows me messages from like weeks or months ago
ldj: <a:eeeh:1151261531951091832>
hikukomoru: Brother why did you reply to a message from 20 days ago 😭 😭
okbut: Is there any place to find all the predictions for the various not-yet-public models on LM Arena? e.g. sparrow, phantom, etc
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-pray-black-man-pray-black-%26-white-pray-gif-14477921399029073299
professorheaven: It’s pretty much the most common response to researchers who have short timelines that they have a financial incentive to shorten their timelines, even though they’re not even part of the sales/marketing division
sarik0497: Old video, but I wonder how far they have come with some of the things he talked about.
sarik0497: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=35QvyaRn6OY
ldj: About point 1, I would actually say other factors like Ego tend to be bigger drivers of peoples skewed perspective and biases, as opposed to financial incentive.
ldj: Comes down to a lot factors, but maybe the main ones being:
1. What are the factors that can negatively weigh the significance of someone's perspectives? (Ego, Financial incentives, wanting to win an argument)
2. how significant do I think the financial incentives will end up factoring into their expressed views?
3. how significant do I think their position of privileged information is towards allowing them to have even more informed views.
4. how sensitive to financial incentives are their views and perspectives on the topic?
5. For a given person where financial incentives and access to privileged information is often intertwined, Do I think the benefits of the latter will end up outweighing the potential downsides of the former(if any), or neutralizing it and making it equal, or even significantly outweighing it, and causing the persons net trustworthiness and insight to be even more valuable than before?
metaldragon01: Takes a long time to build rep and just a moment to lose it.
metaldragon01: History and integrity matter, as well as if the person has a history of being financially motivated at the expense of their integrity.
ldj: Thus, I wouldn't call them blind followers.
Since I wouldn't call myself a blind follower of anyone in here either, even though I would vote no for them if they made the same poll.
ldj: > I find this very concerning, and I'm hoping you do too

I think I personally would actually vote "no" in the poll for others that might make the same poll, atleast for several people in here.
But if your priors lead you to voting no for others, regardless of their past character or integrity, then yes it would make sense to be concerned for people voting "no" for you too.
st.sioux:
zonchao:
fractalcomputer: Looking into this!
zonchao:
st.sioux: Concerning
fractalcomputer: Concerning
zonchao: 🤔


ai9708: prob newest google model on lmarena
zonchao: what is this
mtj8920: Can somebody take a second to prove that they're general intelligence, I'm sadly not and need assitsance.
zonchao: o3 mini high was a good model
ai9708: lets see how good nebula will be
ai9708: o3mini high that is
ai9708: openai still beats those
zonchao: let's see if it works out for gpt 5
zonchao: nope, gemini, grok have been pretty nice + nice features.... openai had a lot of hype for 4.5 and it was just a vibes model
mtj8920: https://tenor.com/view/help-me-help-lolol-what-are-you-doing-funny-animals-gif-14407604
mtj8920: What did I do wrong?
mtj8920:
mtj8920: Help
ai9708: so did everyone
zonchao: they been dropping MID for a while
zonchao: openai gotta step up
ai9708: conclusion: models suck hard, we are very far away from agi and maybe its not possible with llm/cot approach
zonchao: new sama pod incoming
ai9708: openai literally said in one of their presentation: "beating arc-agi was one of our main goals"
wellmeaningalien: finally that piece of dirt's getting retired now
wellmeaningalien: you know y'all realise deepseek v3 release is like the first time gpt 4o hasnt been included in a base model benchmark comparison
ai9708: now the top labs will try to fit their models to arc-agi 2 aswell
ai9708: i was right with arc-agi 1
ai9708: now thats more like it
ai9708:
ailoveyoom: AI developed game, or a game that makes use of AI for infinite dynamic content 🥺
precariousworlds.: Think of how simple some massive games are
precariousworlds.: Wouldn't take too long to build it
aero447: 2027 is the absolute minimum IMO.
aero447: Doubt most games launching in 2026 have been in development for 5+ years.
precariousworlds.: I'd say good chance by 2026 that a game mostly vibecoded with AI is actually a massive hit
abundantliving_:
wellmeaningalien: breaking news deepseek v3 renders gpt 4.5 useless within weeks
wellmeaningalien: im sick when will asi cure me
brain4brain: Why are there no 2026
aero447: 🤔
aero447:
sarik0497: More competition, the more acceleration.
sarik0497: China giving the U.S. some real competition. Good!
thedon7075: good chance it could happen


alejandrozarzuelo: So... Anyway
alejandrozarzuelo: They weren't the good guys in the past either
hikukomoru: You're clearly not the good guys anymore
Your president has threatened to invade and annex his own allies
futurist_wizard: Trump doesn't even know what an agi is, to him its just funny ai machine
alejandrozarzuelo: No
rayanquitplayin: Probably, Ik Trump is unstable and controversial but we’ve been the good guys in history
hikukomoru: No no no
futurist_wizard: Russia is literally the deepstate
alejandrozarzuelo: Don't let Trump anywhere close to that
alejandrozarzuelo: Noooo
alejandrozarzuelo: Russia is literally the worst
.coldcall: Especially.
alejandrozarzuelo: Sorry pal but the US is better than Russia
hikukomoru: Even with Trump?
futurist_wizard: At the end of the day this race is a sham, everyone will be 3-6 months inbounds of agi whenever someone develops it
.coldcall: https://science.nasa.gov/image-detail/hourglass-nebula/
rayanquitplayin: US should def get agi
alejandrozarzuelo: The US might invade a country, Russia IS invading a country
hikukomoru: We did a good job over there it seems 😎
.wolfnacht: Vodka-mk1
alejandrozarzuelo: Vasconcello was right
hikukomoru: I would rather Trump and Elon AGI than Putin AGI
.wolfnacht: some people are just soo anti-russia
hikukomoru: God no
I don't want Putin AGI
futurist_wizard: I prefer brazilian miku to normal miku
alejandrozarzuelo: That's what mixed race does, makes people sexier
.wolfnacht: well yandex's about come up with something...(*baby steps like LG*)
hikukomoru: All brazilian girls look like that btw
alejandrozarzuelo: (I do speak French and did work at a French tech company )
.wolfnacht: well even russia getting agi is much better than US getting it first
alejandrozarzuelo: Oui oui
futurist_wizard: Brazilian miku is very sexy
alejandrozarzuelo: I identify as French now
alejandrozarzuelo: Please france, we rely on you
futurist_wizard: Only thing good trumpie did was ignore ai regulations, and that was a total fluke in being productive
rayanquitplayin: I hope Europe gets agi
alejandrozarzuelo: 🇪🇺 🇫🇷
hikukomoru: Now that I know there is brasilian AI I can't stop thinking about it
I hope they make Brazilian Miku real
alejandrozarzuelo: I will help France soon
.wolfnacht: We all know france would win the Ai race with Mistral-Large-666B (degenerate edition)