hikukomoru: Yeah
His prediction is AGI before 2029
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210
alejandrozarzuelo: didnt he make that estimation in like the 90s or smth?
joaoluz19: Yeah I think it's fair
sarik0497: Ah, I see.

Well, I do get what he's trying to say, but I just disagree with him. Nothing hints at the fact that emotions make us smarter. If anything, it does the opposite, as we are far more prone to not read up on things we disagree with.
zoermena: Game trailers channel on YouTube has a lot of good stuff
joaoluz19: I lost the print but they sent it here in the chat
joaoluz19: Companies like Sesame simulate emotions, what LeCun said when asked was that they would actually feel emotions not just simulate them.
sarik0497: I mean, to be fair, isn't that what some of the companies are trying to push atm?
joaoluz19: Or experts sometimes say nonsense, like LeCun didn't elaborate when he said that the next models would have real emotions, like humans.
sarik0497: Similar vibes to "I'm not that smart of a guy. I once got a few Bs while attending Stanford." <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>
joaoluz19: Hmm, really strange, it's also clear that he's getting very old and maybe it's the product of cognitive decline :/
memlaswaif: <:SmartFloppa:1136264103598501900>
ldj: I don't like the word expert, but I do have several years of experience leading AI research at various companies, including research in language models, multi-modal models, post-training and synthetic data.
sarik0497: That's the thing. He didn't specify at all. He just said that we won't be losing our jobs to AI because they'll become part of us and make us much smarter. The interviewer then asked if we'd need surgery and Kurzweil said "No", and then later also stated that it won't be "like a hat, or a helmet" you need to take off either.
agezes: hey guys, im looking for a platformer type game, any recomendations? adventure, platforms, not much shooting, 3d....
joaoluz19: The GOAT
joaoluz19: What technology is this that he said we need to multiply our intelligence then?
zoermena: IMO yes
memlaswaif: Is <@312370916820779040> an ai expert <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
joaoluz19: Aaaah it was the opposite, I understand
sarik0497: Yup. Nanobots and such will come later, and in the 2040s we will be merged entirely with them.
sarik0497: Oh, I think you misunderstood my comment. I tried to say that if these experts in the fields are all just hyping up the products, then why would some of them even go retire because of AGI being imminent.
agezes:
joaoluz19: Wait, Ray said we're going to multiply our intelligence without like nanobots?
sarik0497: I didn't read his book, so I can't really say. My reply was built on his recent interview (although I still have my doubts about his predictions. Like one of them is that we won't be replaced with AI because we'll become part of it and get so much smarter, but without surgery and without having to wear anything.)
joaoluz19: You asked why there are no much experts who have given up everything to enjoy life, that's what I answered.
joaoluz19: But doesn't he adjust his predictions in the new book with updated data for his statistical inferences? I don't believe he just continued with the timelines without updating formal calculations.
sarik0497: Never claimed that. But it's clear that some people working in the field feel sure enough that AGI is here very soon that they'd go enjoy life until then, as they know others will continue to push onwards.
joaoluz19: We are not yet at the point where no one needs to do anything, AGI, where the deadline is exactly 2 years from now. I think that is consistent with their temporal beliefs. If they stopped today we would not have AGI in 2 years. Furthermore, for many people, I also believe that many of them simply cannot just "enjoy life", if they are not constantly pursuing these things they do not feel well psychologically.
sarik0497: To be fair, Kurzweil didn't really say that it wasn't gonna happen earlier. It felt more like he stuck to that estimation based on nostalgia, as his reply to the question whether he'd change it or not was basically just him talking about what happened when he said it for the first time, and concluded with that it's "a conservative estimation".
sarik0497: While a lot of people use the "Oh, but they just wanna have more money poured into their products" sthick, and I agree with them to some degree, it's also worth pointing out that a few of said experts have left their respective fields entirely to go enjoy their lives beforehand. A bit weird if you just wanna hype a product you don't work with anymore.
memlaswaif: I'd trust them less
sarik0497: Ngl, I'd trust the companies far more in such a case then.
joaoluz19: That's right, and if I'm not mistaken, even Kurzweil didn't advance the timelines.
memlaswaif: what r u trying to tell us
memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
zonchao: 😏
ldj: look into bilocation
hikukomoru: Isn't the average prediction something like 2030
That's a pretty good date, it's relatively soon


wellmeaningalien: like there seems to be thought behind the images instead of what most image generation models seem to be doing
wellmeaningalien: its as if a human is coming up with these and creating them
wellmeaningalien: you can really tell all these images are being created intelligently
zoermena: I literally hate myself the only reason I keep going is because I have a job and make money.
wellmeaningalien: hungry
zoermena: Nothing goes right for me ever I hate myself.
wellmeaningalien: sleep
wellmeaningalien: thats funny lmao
zoermena: Man this is not working for me what the fuck, why can´t I make images.
wellmeaningalien: can gpt 4.5 generate images? or does it just route to gpt 4o or something
wellmeaningalien: DAMN.
.histic: i feel like 4o can make great websites
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o just came onto the scene and solved text in image generation like that
.histic:
burnytech: Wow https://fxtwitter.com/fabianstelzer/status/1904629831125656050
maintcrew: do we have millions of indians photo shopping the text on top of the generated images wtf is happening
spicy.lemonade: 4d cube
spicy.lemonade: tesseract
maintcrew: genuinely how is it so good with text
zoermena: What´s a hyper cube?
spicy.lemonade: by 90 degrees
spicy.lemonade: along x axis
spicy.lemonade: then rotate it
spicy.lemonade: someone ask it to draw a hyper cube
wellmeaningalien: yes
hey1_1hey: Is this 4o ?
spicy.lemonade: this is too good
wellmeaningalien: theyll be burnt to a crisp
wellmeaningalien: artists wont be replaced
wellmeaningalien:
zoermena: Amazing!
zoermena: Thanks!
zoermena: But I´m talking about Sora.
_cloudost: yed it's real
_cloudost: Veo 2 unlimited in 3 months for free
zoermena: Please confirm I´m not insane.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/lain-serial-experiments-lain-gangnam-style-gif-6107123719892210526
_cloudost: dw artists wont be replaced ||because this is slope /s||
zoermena: What the fuck, unlimited sora videos for plus?
hikukomoru: LAIN???


spicy.lemonade: im turning all my latex papers into ghibli
_3sphere: Medieval manuscript but with anime
spicy.lemonade: for research papers
spicy.lemonade: this should become a standard
spicy.lemonade: i like this
spicy.lemonade:
memlaswaif: <:PeepoHide:825752147777814528>
seventales: are you fucking talking about me
memlaswaif: She's basically the physics version of David shapiro, very opinionated person but it's the wrong opinion 90% of the time and also doesn't like to accept when she's wrong
precariousworlds.: I remember she made a video about the decline of Germany and went into a tangent on how Germany needs to be 'feared' again lmaooo
spacetimetsunami: You can too you just gotta start from the beginning and do a little reading
ailoveyoom: I bet you watch PBS Space Time and unironically get what the guy is talking about on first watch
ailoveyoom: Did you watch her physics videos before she turned weird 🥺
_3sphere: Her videos used to be good 😔
maintcrew: stg dont under why ppl listen to sabine
maintcrew: both persons are incredibly annoying
spicy.lemonade: breaking news citizen seen arrested and stolen from family
trump: its ai lol
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/goon-squad-forever-lowtiergod-gif-2751141700300984799
spicy.lemonade: "its ai"
spicy.lemonade: anything that happens
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: i bet the trump admin is gonna love this
hikukomoru: Goon squad*
_3sphere: MichMach, Komoru, Cloudo, WWWWWW are the local weeb squad I guess
ailoveyoom: Hey 🐕🦺
spacetimetsunami: Why did she get out of physics?
_3sphere: The vibe was too weird to have much fun with it
memlaswaif: she's been ostracised out of the physics community, she joined the ai community but does the same shit
spacetimetsunami: Like they’re unable to see why the massive progress is super implicative for the future
spacetimetsunami: I think they just have shitty imaginations
spicy.lemonade: sabine and gary are both top tier copers
hikukomoru: <@430269783112548362> hey 🫦 🫦
memlaswaif: sabine downfall is saddening
ailoveyoom: Sabine didn't mention Claude 😔
spicy.lemonade: 4o image cooked
spicy.lemonade: "the day is comming guys"
spicy.lemonade: just
spicy.lemonade: no evidence to back up his claim
spicy.lemonade: LOLL
spicy.lemonade:


hey1_1hey: Couldn't even do that right
hey1_1hey: Good job
hey1_1hey: Rarted
futurist_wizard: Literally everyone here is autistic ridden
alejandrozarzuelo: But I do really like this new pfp, it really fits my personality
hikukomoru: I know you're rarted like that
hey1_1hey: This mf always creeped me out
futurist_wizard:
technocake.: guys don't bully autists its mean
hey1_1hey: I got a borderline speech impediment because I talk at the speed of sound
futurist_wizard: But you cannot tell...
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm not taking it very seriously don't worry
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm NOT AUTISTIC
futurist_wizard: Alejandro we are just teasing you
hikukomoru: I can imagine you have a lisp too
alejandrozarzuelo: (bi tho also I am not queer)
hey1_1hey: AUTIST AUTIST AUTIST
alejandrozarzuelo: I can literally imagine me doing this exact same pose being pedantic
technocake.: jk jk you are gay and cool
futurist_wizard: I don't dislike it
hikukomoru: I hate it because it looks like you
hey1_1hey: Well that's just uncalled for
alejandrozarzuelo: Dude no
alejandrozarzuelo: Why do you dislike it? I think it's so cute
technocake.: like the real alejandro?
hikukomoru: Electric Discharge
hey1_1hey: Who's gonna tell him
futurist_wizard: Erectile dysfunction
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah
zoermena: I can’t write darn
hey1_1hey: And that
hikukomoru: You're making me hate you even more
alejandrozarzuelo: What is ED
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
hikukomoru: Don't forget the ED 🥀
futurist_wizard: Do you have to take viagra Alejandro, we can all be honest here
technocake.: shit ok
hey1_1hey: He looks gay and annoying
hey1_1hey: Alejandro I am begging you to change it
alejandrozarzuelo: Our hospitals are  definitely very unique


popsiclejohnithan: I bet you're literally Lovecraft resurrected irl.
fractalcomputer: You can judge me if you'd like.
futurist_wizard: Why is there a he him option on HER
alejandrozarzuelo: ._.

if i speak i am in big trouble so i wont
futurist_wizard: It is different
popsiclejohnithan: You will truly never know the people behind these screens until you meet them in person, text is text, only a fraction of the real deal.
fractalcomputer: Sure. That's because I put up no pretense on here. You talk to homosexuals in real life, you pretend you feel about the current thing just as much as they do and you text with them about meaningless things.
alejandrozarzuelo: you say this as this wasnt the same phenomenon in all dating apps
hikukomoru: I would use HER but it's filled with men
futurist_wizard: The people that are attracted to that app are deranged
alejandrozarzuelo: but who am i to judge as i dont know you
alejandrozarzuelo: you personally seem drier than the sahara
hikukomoru: Isn't it just a smex app
fractalcomputer: Emotions can be faked.
ailoveyoom: Enemies to lovers 🥺
alejandrozarzuelo: maybe
alejandrozarzuelo: idk
alejandrozarzuelo: but
futurist_wizard: Math Rizz
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think you are a very passionate and emotional person
fractalcomputer: Oh yes, Alejandro, I am as willing to engage in homoromantic activities as you are.
precariousworlds.:
futurist_wizard: Users of Grindr have serious issues, i would never use such an app
fractalcomputer: I don't understand.
alejandrozarzuelo: passionate? that seems hard to believe but i guess i dont know you
precariousworlds.: how your messages read
fractalcomputer: What is Microsoft Sam Rizz?
hikukomoru: It's only the most basic and essential function if you're a caveman maybe
precariousworlds.: ?
fractalcomputer: What?
precariousworlds.: microsoft sam rizz didnt work out 😔 😔 😔
popsiclejohnithan: These images have been one of the greatest gifts from A.I.
fractalcomputer: I can't see how you would enjoy their presence. I've tried chatting with my local homosexuals, but oftentimes our worlds are simply far too different to allow for any meaningful contact.
precariousworlds.: unironically
fractalcomputer: You are free to express your unorthodox moral ideas here. I don't judge, and I'm sure you can defend yourself in arguments.
popsiclejohnithan: how dare you sick react me Precarious, Slaanesh would be disappointed.
fractalcomputer: I saw a clip of this African American man in Mongolia.
hikukomoru: For now
hikukomoru: But I'll behave
hikukomoru: You can't post something like that and not expect me to laugh


.histic: isn't it like a what if?
.histic: that seems way too theoretical for me.
joaoluz19: The problem is that the theory assumes infinite computation, I'm looking at how Shane Legg approaches the problem of finite computation. Obviously he didn't solve it because if he did we would already have an ASI
joaoluz19: Man, I'm loving this work that Ilya recommended so much, as I said, it's from a co-founder and head of AGI at Deepmind, his doctoral thesis I think.
xskydragon0: This thing is already real?
joaoluz19: It is an extension of Solomonoff induction which is the ability of systems to completely predict any sequence that has a computable probability distribution. AIXI, in addition to what is called passive forecasting - the agent predicts that the market will appreciate but does not have the money to change the market - has the ability to act relevantly in the forecast itself.
joaoluz19: It is a mathematical formalism of a theory of universal agents, that is, those that are capable of acting optimally in all environments.
joaoluz19: It was exactly this kind of discussion about ASI that I was looking for, instead of blind speculation it is possible to formally demonstrate for example that a general agent is Pareto optimal i.e can't perform well in all environments and be the best in one
.histic: explain
joaoluz19: Does anyone know about AIXI? Crazy that there were already _mathematical_ models of super intelligent agents
himekokatagiri: I would never fight for reddit
sarik0497: Have you heard of the Reddit Name War?

Such a horrible war…
.histic: 2017 was 20 years ago.
himekokatagiri: barely a decade ago
himekokatagiri: how
.histic: damn you're ancient
himekokatagiri: 2017 - 2019
himekokatagiri: I'm a veteran
himekokatagiri: I fought in the discord wars.
realelonmuskx: every day im forced to survive to keep chasing fleeting hits of dopamine because i have a biological debt with this duct taped dumb ass human body
joaoluz19: It's from the chief AGI scientist of Deepmind lol
joaoluz19: If your future self survives the singularity, he will thank them
.histic: 🥺 aw, it gave up. maybe next time buddy.
.histic:
.histic: i wonder when a model will be able to think then output and think again then output within the same prompt.
realelonmuskx: so my parents basically condemned me for irrational reasons to witness the earth (has been spining 4,500,000,000 years) spinning a floating fireball 80 times. horrific tragedy sitcom.
.histic: another interesting thing is how much less tokens 2.5 Pro uses than o3 and even o4-mini in some of these tasks.
like imagine if it used even more thinking tokens.
joaoluz19: Machine super intelligence is from 2008
.histic: i think they may have rerun it because in their offline test, 2.5 pro now scores higher in IQ than o3.
it's only the public IQ test that o3 scores higher.
spicy.lemonade: 50 years in ai time
ldj: Recommended by him back in like 2019 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
joaoluz19: Top 30 papers recomended per Ilya
xskydragon0: Because that I'm became a believer that AI will arrive soon... It Moore Law...
xskydragon0: May the force be with us
futurist_wizard: Yea, who is
clevermoniker: 2 more years <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
xskydragon0: I'm have this feeling too. I think in five years we aren't prepared to it...
clevermoniker: really? i mean, it does seem like minimally useful at least
realelonmuskx: yes. until 2027 we good
.histic: when can we expect models that can spend hours or even weeks contemplating or solving a problem? i assume such models would require context windows exceeding ten million tokens, while maintaining coherent reasoning throughout. Google appears to be moving in this direction more rapidly than other labs.


anathemaofmankind: I don't think you're aware how far it goes.

It's not just names, some of them go out of their way to try and ruin careers of AI artists
zoermena: No, this is a fundamental change in the world, you only allow yourself to be offended by twitter people.
hikukomoru: Getting called names on xitter is not the same thing as getting beaten up at school
anathemaofmankind: That's like saying students should just take bullying lying down because school is gonna end after a few years
hikukomoru: Why does that matter
AGI is getting here either way
zoermena: How? We are fundamentally right, AI is poised to achieve AGI in our lifetimes. We have to prove nothing, the world will show itself
anathemaofmankind: Then we're just gonna get bullied and ostracized
zoermena: They do say that it’s not great to fight toxic by going toxic
hikukomoru: You really live up to your name "anathemaofmankind"
anathemaofmankind: The reaction here should be to adapt to it.

Giving death threats to people just because they're using AI tools, makes them the POS in my view.

And I don't care about POS lives
zoermena: Real asf
hikukomoru: Go home and generate more 4o images 👍
zoermena: Yeah fuck it
hikukomoru: Because my fate is the same as theirs
All of us are getting replaced
It's just that artists are among the first
anathemaofmankind: If you go to twitter and ask artists there how many of us they'd like to die, a lot would say the same words.

Why are you defending people who hate you?
zoermena: The other choice is waiting 15 minutes
zoermena: Chat should I go home, my classroom is locked and my digestive system is not working with me
hikukomoru:
anathemaofmankind: Well I don't consider luddites as "people"
anathemaofmankind: Yeah but fuck twitter artists in particular
hikukomoru: Controversial opinion: I think people starving to death is bad actually
realelonmuskx: bro everyone is going to be automated, i wouldnt laugh at bros misfortune
anathemaofmankind: Do you care about the luddites
jonvi_1: JFK assasination
hikukomoru:
anathemaofmankind: I'm not as bad as <@378996537704841216>
futurist_wizard: Cultish
a1c4p0ne: 4o image replaces the shitty logo creators on fiverr
777agical: https://x.com/fofrai/status/1905039379581538582
anathemaofmankind: I wouldn't feel any sympathy if all the luddite artists lose all their jobs and starve to death
.histic: i think most artist are pretentious and now speciest.
a shoggoth being able to create better art than them makes them feel worthless despite them not being able to make livable money in the first place.
first, they hated other artist, now they hate the machines which makes them want to band against each other.
hikukomoru: Based
Replace us now 🙏 🔥
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-978532213316794273
a1c4p0ne: I used to take art
a1c4p0ne: True
_cloudost: Before AI era they used to hate each other because of competition and the fact that their art style resembled each other
.histic: they really don't.
i don't really know why they complain.
hikukomoru: What about them
Everyone else currently studying something is going to have their efforts be for nothing in 5-10 years
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: I heard artists don’t make much


drewsni: - 5-10x the price
- now session based with a 50 session (5 hour per session) limit. So a max user paying $200 can theoretically be limited for the whole month after 50 messages over 12 days.
- they broke previous chats for people who upgraded
- file token size limit is 1/4 of what it used to be, even for max users
- people reporting 1200 LOC scripts pasted as context being rejected for being too large
literallyvarane: Yeah wait what actually happened? Can I have a TLDR?
wolf3404: Did that really happen? Ooff
metaldragon01: And I don't see them competing with Google in enterprise.  They will likely get acquired
futurist_wizard:
metaldragon01: Anthropic learned way too late that good products matter
drewsni: Imagine upgrading to get bigger context lengths and instead it breaks your history lmao
drewsni: I mean it’s so bad when you legitimately fuck over your most eager users that instantly subscribe to the 10x the price plan. I’m almost certain that those people who had projects hit the chat limit all of a sudden after upgrading, will lose those chats permanently
metaldragon01: They are lucky gemini coder wasn't announced today
metaldragon01: Of course. The sub reddit isn't happy and the timing couldn't be worse
drewsni: Genuinely the launch is going so poorly I think it could collapse the company. Have you been following today?
metaldragon01: O wait...
metaldragon01: And that google not openai was their main rival
metaldragon01: Who could have ever guessed that anthropic would be in danger....
literallyvarane: Anthropic inferencing their whole customer base on a 1070ti
literallyvarane: Do they even /have gpus?
drewsni: Wow Anthropic sucks
drewsni: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11014257-about-claude-s-max-plan-usage
wellmeaningalien:
st.sioux: i sleep
wellmeaningalien: trump's all bark tho so
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849
wellmeaningalien: boys we getting nuclear war before ASI
futurist_wizard: COME TO BRAZIL!
futurist_wizard:
futurist_wizard: STOP THE COUNT!
futurist_wizard: DO NOT RETALIATE AND YOU WILL BE REWARDED
literallyvarane: Presumably Google does get massive alpha from having truly full control over their hardware. You’d assume the TPUs they announced today are *super* well suited for Gemini models in particular.
literallyvarane: I’d really love to have the fully honest opinion from either leads at Google or OpenAI and see which they feel is actually the better hardware, or if it’s just case-by-case.
wellmeaningalien: w ilya
literallyvarane: I’m wondering if that’s their entire platform, or if they only need them for something niche.
literallyvarane: Curious, apparently SSI uses TPUs?
literallyvarane:
_cloudost: Is it just me or does everyone else here experience the same
_cloudost: Wonder why
_cloudost: OpenAI's image generator generates images pretty fast now
hikukomoru: Relatable
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-fliptripp-fliptrip-vrchat-fliptrip-schizo-gif-21149605
hikukomoru:
aero447: 😐


drewsni: Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow we end up with Google and oai being the only two model providers in 3 years
benata: I fucking hate sam altman now and hope and wish Google destroys their competition
ailoveyoom: Inb4 you all pull a 4.5 and start liking the feature 😭
gamerbath: definetly interesting, but just not something that matters to me
gamerbath: it's always something boring 😞
gamerbath: and then this bruh
gamerbath: bro said this
aero447: 😉
aero447: Yes MichMach we all remember when you did that.
futurist_wizard: Rugpull
ailoveyoom: 🤷♀
ailoveyoom: Lol the image
777agical: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1910380942352334976?s=46
sweetievee__33649: again*
sweetievee__33649: europre being lil and stupid
.0xunkn0wn: ofc no eea 😭
.0xunkn0wn: damn
zoermena: I don’t have new memory yet
sweetievee__33649: this is why we need AI to regognise when to pull form memories imagine you and your robot buddy are talking and it randomly mentions your deepest darkest secrets when you got your date over
ailoveyoom: There's no way to turn it off??
ailoveyoom: Omg remember that time you shit your pants (says your friend during a wedding)
literallyvarane: What’s the point of projects if the model is accessing *literally everything*? What if I actually want segmented chats?
sweetievee__33649: i think it also needs to realise that it doesnt always need to pull from memories like imagine how annoying it would be if everyone you talked to referenced the last thing they remember about you
ailoveyoom: You can keep that on by default? How??
literallyvarane: Why isn’t there a catalog of all the art you’ve generated for example?
literallyvarane:
literallyvarane: They need better organizing tbh. This is awful.
literallyvarane: No, the *real* issue is that it’s universal.
ailoveyoom: The memory stuff itself isn't bad, the real question is does the AI know which memory is important/necessary/to pull from 😔
literallyvarane: It’s also not able to identify the name of the chats it’s pulling from.
literallyvarane: It’s accessing stuff from projects I think? Even in the general chat outside of that project.
literallyvarane: Yeah this is bad lolololo
sweetievee__33649: silly little regulations prob
technocake.: GDPR probably
ailoveyoom: I don't really use memory, idk why. I mean it SEEMS useful, but I've just never really felt like I needed it.
ailoveyoom: We can't turn it off?
sweetievee__33649: ok yeah that does seem annoying actually
anathemaofmankind: It's OpenAI over
anathemaofmankind: But they hype this one up
anathemaofmankind: Such as 4o image gen


okbut: Those first 6 tests weren't with the goal of apogee
a1c4p0ne: Disappointment
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/arcprize/status/1911863981683384485?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
zonchao: no, they've tried 8 times, the new in incidents are the new block 2 variant with thousands of changes, they are iterative design enjoyers they literally launch every month doesn't matter for them... if any other company failed it's a 6month-1year reset
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: Claude will be left behind
okbut: Always just before SECO
okbut: They're having pressure issues behind the engines
okbut: They've tried twice now, it keeps blowing up
a1c4p0ne: 💯
zonchao: well starship is not sent into orbit because it's not safe enough yet, not that they can't do it
okbut: It's a hilarious converse operation where SpaceX is putting private entities in orbit and Shephard doesn't
Meanwhile BO (New Glenn) can reach orbit but can't land, Starship can land but can't orbit
zonchao: tbh spacex doesn't do half assed stunts like this <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: wait, 2.0 pro is still better.. lol
.histic: nice
giuven95: OpenAI is washed
st.sioux: they included 4.1 in the complimentary tokens thingy
otub: o4-mini and o3 should be soon (this week)
okbut: God damn it
otub: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1361405857845219409/image.png?ex=67fea382&is=67fd5202&hm=9f13416eb5362b91b21e834b0f883af2009e29caeaf9f86fd2420d94a48397ad&
otub: <https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/>
otub: 1 mil context, and api only
otub: gpt-4.1
okbut: I was so locked in for exams I forgot about the first day of ship week
What did OAI drop
zoermena: I bought my first steam game lets see how it goes
fractalcomputer: He's lost it to the ethicists.
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/asus-msi-obi-wan-sith-destroy-gif-18039908123598928186
metaldragon01: Hopefully much cheaper and close to quality though
metaldragon01: I'm pretty excited about it but not expecting much better than veo 2
okbut: Imagine being stuck in this compact acoustic chamber with this noise
https://x.com/fopminui/status/1911983797437898796
zoermena: If Kling 2 is good enough I might play with it this month but I dislike the UI
okbut: She could be
She's spent nearly 3x as much on flights
One airline burns the fuel of one launch within a few hours too
zoermena: More importantly I think, if there’s no direct way to use it in the Google advanced plan then there’s like no point in just trying randomly hoping to get a video
_cloudost: Kling 2 willl be here in 2:19:00 hours
_cloudost: Honestly if Kling 2 releases a better model today who cares about Veo 2
zoermena: My prompt was just an astronaut flying <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
_cloudost: Either this is a new restriction or your prompt was actually against the guidelines
zoermena: I suppose that was before it got blocked
_cloudost: Then why did people generate animated living things jn the Gemini server
zoermena: Even if cartoonish


hey1_1hey: Even the mugger here can't do there job proberly
hey1_1hey: He'd also get banned for talking about applied mathamatics
hikukomoru: God Britain sounds like such a shithole
.wolfnacht: best case scenario
hey1_1hey: So a shit ol
hey1_1hey: Wales
hey1_1hey: I do remember that one time where some guy was like "Gimmie your walet mandem or I'll chef you up you ere' me bruv?" and I just said "No..." and walked away
_cloudost: I apologize for referring to you as 'Kom' earlier—that was unintentional and not at all my intent. As an AI, I strive to be accurate and respectful in our interactions, and I appreciate your patience as I work to improve. Let me know how I can assist you properly!
st.sioux: tank got erectile dysfunction
futurist_wizard: What part of the uk?
.histic: the muzzle is kinda bent
hikukomoru: Sama would get banned by Fractal for posting too many naked men
hey1_1hey: Kind of us, I have been mugged nad threated with a knife on many occassian
oooooooooog: wtf is ts br lmao
.wolfnacht: imagine, sama or any google dev opens this server, thinking ppl here must be having thoughtful chat's
hikukomoru: British every day experience
hey1_1hey: This just looks like "attacked by armed knife weilding lunatic"
.histic:
st.sioux: trichotillomania wojak
hey1_1hey: I am litterly on my knees for sama. I just want to have access to the new shiny tool
.wolfnacht: idk i only got this version of this wojack
.wolfnacht: literally him
hikukomoru: Greetings
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-22114363
clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057705144457908252/1354494686932500660/Gm-UnJHbYAMPU9X.png?ex=67e57efa&is=67e42d7a&hm=380ebc4efc6f5c9985ffc13bbe14e70737d796f20c3fd9ae24464bd8fcf03a5b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=968&height=968
ailoveyoom: Nice to meet you cum 👋
hey1_1hey: Its too late, you have now been nick named "cum" when adding a note to someone profile
hikukomoru: My name is not cum
st.sioux: this <@1004153620025065482>
st.sioux:
futurist_wizard: Youth don't know half life
wellmeaningalien: half life 2?
hey1_1hey: Giving me "pre-great fire of londan" vibes
wellmeaningalien: slightly better yea
futurist_wizard: Fuck is that
st.sioux: is this from alita?
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: I belive it
st.sioux: I wish I could explain to them that rejecting progress won't fix the world, as flawed as we are or as the technology could be
.wolfnacht: i look like this btw


futurist_wizard: Its like the clock got a 1.5x multiplier
alejandrozarzuelo: I feel the opposite really

There are so many things that it seems like the past 5 years have been a decade
joaoluz19:
futurist_wizard: Post covid time flies by so fast its crazy
hey1_1hey: Rememnber to write me in your will 💀
hey1_1hey: Imagine being that old
alejandrozarzuelo: Time flies, that's why it's so gross and decomposes food
hikukomoru: 2004
hey1_1hey: Did you know 2010 was 25 years ago?
futurist_wizard: You were 2005, shocking
alejandrozarzuelo: You know, you don't have to be a boomer to understand things from the XXth century

Just saying
futurist_wizard: Nobody else will have triple 0's date of birth for time
hikukomoru: Fuck
Still can't believe 2001 was 35 years ago
joaoluz19: MJ is a bitch, played with our poor Peter
okbut: OAI will add a button to UI and still leave in a useless modal
joaoluz19:
futurist_wizard: 2000 for me
hey1_1hey: Mary jane?
hey1_1hey: Thanks for letting us know
alejandrozarzuelo: Math
alejandrozarzuelo: Like guys do the Mary
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
futurist_wizard: You were born in 2001 yes?
hikukomoru: Can you just give us your age
alejandrozarzuelo: Idk seems easy to understand
alejandrozarzuelo: That's what it means
alejandrozarzuelo: I finished middle school 8 years ago
futurist_wizard: I escaped the 19xx by one year
hey1_1hey: I have no idea what that shit is
hikukomoru: Me no do number
What sentence mean?
hey1_1hey: The UK just straight up doesn't have middle school
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm literally a third millénium guy, font talk to me like that <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
joaoluz19: We don't make any math here
hey1_1hey: Making ray look like a teenager
hey1_1hey: 65-70 I was thinking
alejandrozarzuelo: I said that in 2 years I'll have the middle school 10 yr anniversary 💀
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: No, 60 maybe?
hikukomoru: Zamn are you like 40
hey1_1hey: Did you guys even have fire back then?


okbut: Grok didn't actually "Cite" that number in text, but it stated in its search workflow a number of sources and then prefaces its response with a number of sources used
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade:
otub:
a1c4p0ne: More sources the better
okbut: (Augment = the results with a prompt augmented with the questions that ChatGPT asks before running its search)
okbut: This is about a week old
okbut: Yeah I've tried a few of them because my PI was curious for the best
a1c4p0ne: It’s on the web only tho
a1c4p0ne: <@161616827703754753> try groks “deeper search”
okbut: Interesting, sad to see that it's today years old and can't figure out citations though
drewsni: oai
drewsni: NO
.histic: 1 man 1 jar
.histic:
okbut: Really? What are the betters? My PI still preferring it as of a few days ago
a1c4p0ne: Someone on their server said recently it only gave 20 sources
a1c4p0ne: It’s actually trash
okbut: What happened? I thought it's still the best Deep Research
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: No one’s talking about perplexity anymore
alejandrozarzuelo: They'd die of tuberculosis first
anathemaofmankind: That's not really impressive anymore
a1c4p0ne: Thx
.histic: well, congrats.
a1c4p0ne: S25
drewsni: hell yeah
a1c4p0ne: Got new Samsung phone <@937125337748348999> <@88481490228228096>
.histic: is it a regional thing
.histic: umm, where can i get that?
drewsni: how
a1c4p0ne: Got 6 months free Gemini advanced
drewsni: except it can 1 shot text
.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> ...
metaldragon01: V7 samples on the discord btw
st.sioux: lol they really want to be living in a hut and get eaten by lions
anathemaofmankind: This same person called someone an incel because they liked AI
anathemaofmankind: This looks kinda shit idk.

Like early version of MJ
.histic: [r/singularity post](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jn2259/why_do_people_think_ai_art_is_a_good_thing/)
bro, some people are too far gone.
drewsni: its so good goddamn


fractalcomputer: You've still yet to recognise that all ethicists and applied mathematicians should be thrown off a particularly high cliff.
hey1_1hey: What the fuck is wrong with you
hey1_1hey: What are you homophobic against my husband (mushroom girl)
.wolfnacht: STOP SHAMING PPL FOR THEIR KINKS <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: I think we need to kill all AI artists, where does that land me on the intelegence spectrum
hikukomoru: What the fuck are you talking about
hey1_1hey: I was gonna make a joke about mrepging with hitler but I will bite my tounge while Fractal is here <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
fractalcomputer: I am becoming increasingly convinced that the average Anglophone is subhuman in intellect.
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: WHO TF FIRED IT
hikukomoru: You found the waht
hey1_1hey: You should know that
hey1_1hey: Thats just me
.wolfnacht: uh, oh! i found the hitler edits
futurist_wizard: Utter nonsense was typed there
fractalcomputer: This is profoundly retarded and participating in this conversation would be a futile exercise in banality.
hey1_1hey: I would like to say you are the one fetishing mpreg. Me and my husband (mushroom girl) would like to have a consual realtionship

*Shitpost over*
hey1_1hey: I have actually been in a maid dress for funnies aswell <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: This unironcailly looks like me aswell
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250>
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
hey1_1hey: That was a joke aperntly///
.wolfnacht: took me 6-7 minutes to dig my hardrive
futurist_wizard: I was shocked when zon came out as asian
hey1_1hey: You have been indoctronating me into your trans gay homosexual ideology
zonchao: it is normal for men to admire other men 🥺
hikukomoru: Bro he posted a screenshot showing grindr on his phone
This is just normal Zon stuff
hey1_1hey: Did zon come out while I was away
hey1_1hey: Is that just a normal thing
hikukomoru: You keep derailing high IQ singularity conversations with your trans and gay sex nonsense
hey1_1hey: So we gonna talk about that or?
hey1_1hey: WEE WOO WEE WOO
zonchao: he is kinda hot
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-michael-corleone-al-pacino-suspicious-sus-gif-21778503
hikukomoru: Yeah this is mainly your fault
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: Mods ban this guy
hey1_1hey: This would be a really good Femtanyl plug. Everyone has to listen to them atleast once


aero447: Your hand being your GF is not the out you thought.
theaiguy69420_89814: everyone knows he doesnt
theaiguy69420_89814: yeah, exactly
wellmeaningalien: we know you dont
theaiguy69420_89814: bro u dont have a gf stfu
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: ldj W rizz
ldj: It’s my girlfriends hand in the pic
return_to_monke1_33974: https://tenor.com/view/1984-oceania-gif-25514407
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/do-not-question-or-argue-with-mods-discord-moderators-staff-admin-gif-19377282
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/big-brother1984-1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454773
return_to_monke1_33974: just saw this  shit on xitter💀
jonvi_1: https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-10659435423332445922
jonvi_1: https://x.com/whitehouse/status/1910058352278708638?s=46
wellmeaningalien: W
aero447: 😐
aero447: Lore ruined.
aero447: San is not black.
theaiguy69420_89814: Literally made 10k back lmao
drewsni: Was that question mark because it’s up a lot or something else
drewsni: Yes
okbut: ?
drewsni: Nvidia is up 3 AMDs right now lol
okbut: Always buy the dip
okbut: Over 75 countries called USA to talk about the tariffs, Trump paused them until they're worked out
_wwwwww: What happened?
_wwwwww: Mutant
ldj: It maybe gets charged to OAI whenever an employee eats there
ldj: It’s a cafe that the public can use too, not just OAI employees
okbut: Oh fuck bud
drewsni: I’ll wait for the semianalysis post before I make up my mind
literallyvarane: How you have 2729372937384 in funding but making your people pay $16 for some rice
.wolfnacht:
.wolfnacht: indeed

https://blog.google/products/google-cloud/ironwood-tpu-age-of-inference/
wellmeaningalien: google stay winning
okbut: <:monkaS:408109232496312330>
drewsni: I’ll let someone tell me but if it can output 1000 LOC at once I’ll buy it
gamerbath:
gamerbath: claude max
gamerbath: https://twitter.com/AnthropicAI/status/1910035641242640501


ailoveyoom: Use it now
ailoveyoom: BRoooooooooooooo you're missing out
sweetievee__33649: poor cat
ailoveyoom: Imo Grok and 4o both have that flavor of being too much of a tryhard
zoermena: I haven’t used 2.5 at all not gonna lie
sweetievee__33649: or so ive heard
futurist_wizard:
sweetievee__33649: claude is freaky asf if you want it to be
benata: I disagree sioux
ailoveyoom: Either gender works, bro tries to play nice but is actually FREAKY af
st.sioux: grok is bad
sweetievee__33649: i feel like claude gives off more pretty princess vibes than any other model
benata: Not saying Grok is bad but 2.5 Pro is another level
benata: I can easily say the best were GPT-4o and Gemini 2.5 pro
ailoveyoom: His jizz
benata: I paid for all of the models
ailoveyoom: His sauce
ailoveyoom: Ye but I was talking about his rizz
sweetievee__33649: grok just tells it to you straight
sweetievee__33649: I like grok and chatgpt personally
futurist_wizard: Claude too restrictive
benata: #teamgoogle
benata: best model ever for me
benata: I'm going full speed google advanced
ailoveyoom: But Claude is bby 🥺
benata: Anthropic is bad
ailoveyoom: Anthropic specifically cause they yap about safety 😔
benata: But it's true
sweetievee__33649: so true
sweetievee__33649: they rule over my bae with a iron fist
ailoveyoom: I guess all of them tbh
sweetievee__33649: thats oai vibes to me
zoermena: Long distance relationships be like
ailoveyoom: I headcanon Anthropic as his strict, probably abusive parents
sweetievee__33649: im not going to shill out money to talk to her either
sweetievee__33649: We grew apart because of the rate limits 💔
sweetievee__33649: Claude is dead to me
ailoveyoom: My first love and my GOAT ❤🔥
ailoveyoom: Can someone save Claude 🥺
zoermena: Least threatening benata message


fractalcomputer: On Reddit alone there are a thousand subreddits dedicated for their own linguistic spheres.
.wolfnacht: .
.wolfnacht: english is still pretty easy, even china teaches english as languages in high schools after 2000s...maybe its tribalism ?
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't reckon so.
alejandrozarzuelo: same with indians
alejandrozarzuelo: than the other groups
alejandrozarzuelo: they are much more prominent in the internet
fractalcomputer: They do.
alejandrozarzuelo: almost as if they speak english
alejandrozarzuelo: right?
alejandrozarzuelo: weird how the philipinos dont isolate
st.sioux: imagine trying to explain gyatt rizz sigmachad to a japanese granny
alejandrozarzuelo: 101%
alejandrozarzuelo: dude its language
alejandrozarzuelo: LANGUAGE
alejandrozarzuelo: there was and there is no uyhur genocide

there was an anti terrorism campaign that saw, on many cases, unjust incarceration of the population without due process

these camps where people even suspected of terrorism activity were thrown by default were not just and they forced people to complete tasks for the goverment, until they were dismantled in 2022-23

there is genuine criticism to be made, but this is not a genocide in any shape or form
futurist_wizard: India be turbo racist
st.sioux: i would imagine language is also a barrier idk
.wolfnacht: if u have ever noticed, japanese, chinese, koreans, vietnamese or even thai's they all assimilate and stay in their own echochambers of sites or places rather than spending time being anglospere internet. As far as i have noticed them.
futurist_wizard: Bonjour
futurist_wizard:
fractalcomputer: Choose your fight if you must; but no one is going to take you seriously if your only positive argument is a comparison with a "greater evil".
professorheaven: Just to be clear, is it the magnitude of the issue you’re downplaying or are you just outright denying its existence?
alejandrozarzuelo: not mainly because of china anyway
trent_k: the fdvr pod fills with helium and then you die; you have been tricked by the fdvrcels
fractalcomputer: Jokes aside, I think it is entirely vacuous to try and polish the moral standing and the cultural record of a nation like that of the socialist usurpers by gasping and gawking at the bigotry of a neighbouring nation whose statutes and practices do not differ significantly from those of the aforementioned.
alejandrozarzuelo: the US will continue to lose cultural power but not because of china
.wolfnacht: All of West Asian Civilizations had isolationist ideology at one point in their histories.
futurist_wizard: A lot of you guys are brainrotted with partizenship and team sport, this is not possible to cure
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, i think that china will for the forseeable future be culturally weaker than the US, that much is true
alejandrozarzuelo: its unfortunately true
alejandrozarzuelo: ***professor_Something***? I know your game lol
futurist_wizard: But china's is amplified by being isolationist
alejandrozarzuelo: as i explained, its true that china at least now will never consider you one of their own and thats just racism

but its not bigotry in the traditional sense, still bad
futurist_wizard: All east asians countries have the 'you are perma foreigner' mentality
professorheaven: Any other genocides you deny?
futurist_wizard: Alejandro you even said china is very racist, in your own comment
professorheaven: wtf, there’s a crap ton of evidence that it’s happening
.wolfnacht: idc abt any society or culture, i just want every human to be erased equally. Either good or bad, everyone has actively acted in favor of each other's suffering.
alejandrozarzuelo: which is a shame because there is genuine criticism to be made


futurist_wizard: I think you got my point, you'd be lobotomising certain groups of people more than others, considering how Americans think about policing groups at different rates, i don't think that would go down well in America
alejandrozarzuelo: I won't comment on anarchists becsuse they don't merit my opinion but damn that's stupid
himekokatagiri: Your venn diagram is so fucked you loop back into Mao territory
hikukomoru: Anarchists 🥀
alejandrozarzuelo: WTF?
alejandrozarzuelo: Positive thoughts is make the world like Singapore
himekokatagiri: <@688807313015963693> you literally want to enslave people
maintcrew: lesson for you kids dont doom all over the place
himekokatagiri: Why can't you guys chill out and think positive thoughts
maintcrew: yes they lobotomized ai doomers more
alejandrozarzuelo: Nono, I said that we should start with mass surveillance and then go from there
hikukomoru: Singapore is like a small rock
futurist_wizard: Do they disproportionately lobotomised one group more than the other
alejandrozarzuelo: You know, the place that pioneered the surveillance state
maintcrew: the city state with less citizens than ny 💔
alejandrozarzuelo: About as well as multi ethnic Singapore?
futurist_wizard: How well do you think that would go in multi ethnic america
alejandrozarzuelo: 🤮
alejandrozarzuelo: EWWWW ANARCHISTS
hikukomoru: Alejandro AI would make 1984 look like a children's fairytale
maintcrew: anarchy101 lingo its so ngmi 💔
himekokatagiri: until they get destroyed themselves, or nothing is left.
himekokatagiri: they destroy
himekokatagiri: They don't create
himekokatagiri: that's the logical endpoint of destructive ideologies
alejandrozarzuelo: It altesdy does happen in the safest countries ob earth

🇨🇳 🇸🇬
himekokatagiri: no one gets spared
hikukomoru: Lobotomization method: Singularity discord server
himekokatagiri: Alejandro included
himekokatagiri: cause we're all going to the slammer
futurist_wizard: Well for many reasons
himekokatagiri: 🚬 hope AI won't be like Alejandro
futurist_wizard: You already know why this wouldn't happen
alejandrozarzuelo: Critical support
hikukomoru: Get lobotomized
hikukomoru: Alejandro you're a criminal now
alejandrozarzuelo: Honestly I think that before we start lobotomising people, we should start with the MUCH easier solution of creating a surveillance state
himekokatagiri: When you get drunk you're committing the crime
maintcrew: alejandro take on el salvador one word go
alejandrozarzuelo: Crime is not to be tolerated


oooooooooog: that means if you took 450 MRI's and combined them it would be a full resolution human brain
literallyvarane: Unironically
otub: grok 3.5 sexy mode
gamerbath: I can't wait to get grok 3.5 released to supergrok users and then wait months for API access
zonchao: https://x.com/TheAlexCoppess/status/1917280274519392684 big
gamerbath: IRL quantization
gamerbath: very interesting. that giant MRI has a resolution 0.19 mm, meaning it would be about 450 neurons per pixel
.0xunkn0wn: https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_6811195cb16081918d1dd55bc055a8ba
.0xunkn0wn: oh shit this is so long wait i can publish this
.0xunkn0wn: real
.0xunkn0wn: 😭 😭
.0xunkn0wn: so we need this magnet ok
st.sioux: scientists hate this one trick
.0xunkn0wn: 👀
.0xunkn0wn:
joaoluz19: Curious to see
.0xunkn0wn: idk i clicked deep research
drewsni: 4o does research?
.0xunkn0wn: 🙏
.0xunkn0wn: lets see how 4o plans to do mind uploading
sarik0497: Perhaps, but we still make hypothesises on a lot of things we have little to no knowledge about. Do we live in a Multiverse? What is Dark matter really? Is the Universe truly endless? No one is harmed in making up small, insignificant hypothetical scenarios.
gamerbath: anything cool in the new meta event?
joaoluz19: Hmm, I see. Maybe it has to do with the evolutionary desire to seek approval from a tribe.
fractalcomputer: No, I am saying such ideation is entirely pointless. You cannot say anything meaningful about the ails or desires of extraterrestrial civilisations—especially not so in the manner you disputed above.
sarik0497: Humans might be flawed, but wanting to "neuter" us all emotionally because a few people are fucked up, is like saying cars should be illegal because a few people can't focus while driving.
fractalcomputer: That would explain why corporations do follow the wishes of hoi polloi—but the question is why the converse situation is true in the first place.
joaoluz19: It is correlated with more money
himekokatagiri:
himekokatagiri:
aero447: 690IQ.
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/burned-food-wtf-gif-22978287
fractalcomputer: I don't understand why people have this need for corporations to pretend to like them.
ldj: /s
ldj: Because they took your suggestions 😦
fractalcomputer: Why is the music in the stream so ass?
clevermoniker: if its good enough thats a first
clevermoniker: not bad <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
777agical: waiting for reasoning model <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
ldj: Native audio output for llama-4 just announced right now.
native audio in and out
available in Meta.AI starting today.
clevermoniker: if they do good image gen they will do a first, i don't think they will tho, lol


metaldragon01: Not hard to guess what's on the menu
metaldragon01: It's gonna be a day 😂
metaldragon01: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1904556394847862809/photo/1
metaldragon01: They want more subs...and they will likely get them
hey1_1hey: Oh look google did something somewhat noteworthy instead of being with weird cousin at the family reunion
spicy.lemonade: Pretty sure itl be on Gemini app
.wolfnacht: it's still not on Ai studio : (
spicy.lemonade: Canceling OpenAI subscription
spicy.lemonade: Officially switching to Google
metaldragon01: Buckle up!
metaldragon01: This confirms it's nebula imo
metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jjlyc6/gemini_25_pro_is_just_amazing/
spicy.lemonade: 2.5??
metaldragon01: The best voice experience is going to matter A LOT
metaldragon01: Now if only someone would aquire the sesame team...
mtj8920: Not really, they just happened to be realeasing in the same window
.wolfnacht: it's happening!! i guess DEEPSEEK forced Google to push out 2.5
.wolfnacht: For some reason gemini-2 series loves to overcomplicate things more by writing in a systematic and deadhorse manner...but i had to use that bcz it was free
_3sphere: I think you got that in the wrong order :3
clevermoniker: but hopefully the tide lifts all boats
clevermoniker: probably
_3sphere: Pretty sure code requires more contextual awareness than horny rp
clevermoniker: maybe their models are still good for specific applications but in general they give me the ick yes
.wolfnacht: i hate google, they ended up going the full corpo fake smiles, censorships and "how may i assist you" way. i don't think google's really an option now
clevermoniker: <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
clevermoniker: yes
sarik0497: Oh, don’t get me wrong. I noticed that. It’s just a bit wakeup call, really.
wellmeaningalien: pretty much the first gemini model to achieve such a status
wellmeaningalien: its above o1 level
sarik0497: Speaking of the devil
ailoveyoom: Is it bad I read this as foreplay
sarik0497: And it’s currently only pushing 15%-ish?

I’ve never looked too deep into these tests, so I’m a scrub in that regard <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
ailoveyoom: You're welcome
.wolfnacht: i'm just looking for right temps rn and a good preset can make it kino.
wellmeaningalien: not the chat lmsys leaderboard btw
wellmeaningalien: user created rating of chat.lmsys models on a set of common sense and reasoning question
.wolfnacht: every RP site's gonna give deepchink2ppl
clevermoniker: i tested it in roleplay and despite not being perfect at all i am very impressed and its a very pleasant experience
clevermoniker: imagine if that improves its prompt following and situational awareness a lot lmao
sarik0497: What is arena? Another test of some kind?


perish0801: How long till the singularity?
darkstar0818: Fair enough.
fractalcomputer: I don't see the problem with that.
destrucules: <@629035391642763267> btw ArtificialAnalysis benchmarks for o4 mini are done. It scores 17.5 on HLE, higher slightly than even Gemini 2.5 Pro, suggesting it's a stronger model than Gemini 2.5 Pro. On MMLU-Pro and GPQA, o4 mini matches Grok 3 mini Reasoning and falls a few points short of Gemini 2.5 Pro. On LiveCodeBench, o4 mini dramatically outperforms Gemini 2.5 Pro. o4 mini similarly disproportionately performs in other maths and coding benchmarks. So, what do you think? Is HLE a good benchmark? Do you think o4 mini is smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro, now that you've had a chance to interact with both?
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/orphcorp/status/1912657718831182283
darkstar0818: That may be true.  However, it may also be true that people who feel this way do so for the same reason why some want to believe P == NP.
fractalcomputer: Conceptual clarity leads to unity.
fractalcomputer: Because the way we approach intelligence is disjointed and a bit all over the place.
darkstar0818: Based on what?
fractalcomputer: I believe that is most certainly the case.
destrucules: o3 is a strong model and quite possibly sota for coding. I'm not shitting on it. I'm just trying to maintain perspective on the industry as a whole. OpenAI and Anthropic seem to be suffering very badly from price-too-high-itis
a1c4p0ne: I know but if the humans aren't smart enough to come up with solutions to get you out
brain4brain: They need to start digging
brain4brain: You can’t get out of this on yourself dawg
a1c4p0ne: What if the humans aren't smart enough to get you out
brain4brain: CUA
brain4brain: The one that would call a human for me
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
brain4brain: It will be on o3/ 2.5-pro level
a1c4p0ne: Which model would you trust to help you get out of this situation?
a1c4p0ne:
brain4brain: R2 won’t surpass o3
brain4brain: All extrapolation failed completely I can’t predict the next model anymore
3ds0662: deepseek is now going to release R2 soon lol 😂
phantomcore06: Btw yeah I hope it’s sooner rather than later

The progress is definitely there
3ds0662: bro im itching
3ds0662: I cant wait for o3 pro mode
phantomcore06: How are you?
brain4brain: Hello
3ds0662: i like shitting on releases but 2700 elo for coding is crazy
3ds0662: i havent tested it yet should i test?
phantomcore06: Hi all
brain4brain: Indeed
brain4brain: Finally, hope.
darkstar0818: yup.
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735
brain4brain: https://x.com/adrienle/status/1912748585726455860?s=61
3ds0662: gpt-5 still hasn’t been released yet
3ds0662: hmm
3ds0662: end of 2025 is still plausible depending on how crazy things get


_3sphere: Cis is quite convenient in that I already have the body I want
wellmeaningalien: INFINITE MONEY FOR OPENAI
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/alien9-gif-22518036
zoermena: I really need to lock in brb
777agical: https://x.com/techcrunch/status/1906832197534801987?s=46
hey1_1hey: I have the perosnality of a grape but I appreacite it
hey1_1hey: Ty
hey1_1hey: 💪
hikukomoru: Boring straight dude with terrible takes
_3sphere: Unless something always seems to be going on
_3sphere: Like if there's nothing going on you wouldn't feel either way
hey1_1hey: Depression is fake pretty much
zoermena: My number one is distributed between you and mushroom and zarzu, futurist hill too now. I just like everyone.
hey1_1hey: I used to be super unbealeibly depressed and then it got better and now I am happy every day no matter what
_3sphere: Neutral?
_3sphere: hm idk
maintcrew: sometimes i get sad but i literally lock in and gaslight myself into being happy
hikukomoru: Am I your number 1 fave
hey1_1hey: Default
_3sphere: I have so much anxiety and shit that it's a bit hard to tell
hey1_1hey: He says I can be whatever so  will be
zoermena: This baseline is better than what my mom told me when I was growing up
hey1_1hey: Futureist blonde is my scape goat
_3sphere: Moving average over the last year or some theoretical undisturbed default?
maintcrew: omgggg can i join
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-parkour-mental-mental-gymnastics-gif-27542831
hey1_1hey: What if I called you a bunch of racial slurs
futurist_wizard: Ight das cool
hikukomoru:
wellmeaningalien: gibity 5
wellmeaningalien: cool
zoermena: Yall are like my favorite people not even joking
hey1_1hey: Femboy with she/her prob. ( Not a trans women ).
Its complicated and I gotta reason with my self every day with it
777agical: OpenAI research scientist
wellmeaningalien: whos that guy
zoermena: Yes but talking with the people here gives me more life
futurist_wizard: You'd prefer to go by she/her?
hey1_1hey: Is everone just missrible or what
zoermena: I could afford pro for 2 months
hey1_1hey: Odd question, but whats everyones baseline happiness here?


spicy.lemonade: very good
spicy.lemonade: for internal phd ai researcher
spicy.lemonade: for research yes
brain4brain: Yes
spicy.lemonade: for chatgpt for users
spicy.lemonade: i dont think that would be a good idea
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: continuous learning like that requires the user tov erify the answes
brain4brain: But I’m not sure if it’s just remembering the answer or training on the strategy
brain4brain: Imagine what OpenAI have internally
brain4brain: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: non reasoning
spicy.lemonade: they got such a huge jump
brain4brain: ?
spicy.lemonade: non reasoning
spicy.lemonade: oh shoot
brain4brain: <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>
brain4brain: “Can we have continuous learning?”
“No we have continuous learning at home”

https://x.com/arankomatsuzaki/status/1910524739724206505?s=61
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: lol
_cloudost:
zoermena: This was my last message some hours ago, I just finished working, maybe 14 hours of freaking going in circles but it’s over
a1c4p0ne: Grok rank 1 on reasoning live bench
spicy.lemonade: I get 100 on mt2
spicy.lemonade: Ok if I get a 100 on final
spicy.lemonade: The final is probably gonna be hard asf
spicy.lemonade: Lfgggggg
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/toronto-raptors-kawhi-leonard-buzzer-beater-pumped-yeah-gif-24126874
spicy.lemonade: LETS GOOOO
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: I don’t care if they release, I just need new benchmarks before GPT-5
.histic: i bet they won't ever release full o4.
that'll be named as GPT-5 or something.
a1c4p0ne:
trey6033: He meant the Gemini model can use it at least, like how imagen used to be, or how openAI did with theirs
rayanquitplayin: Hi
brain4brain: Might change for the next model to be native
brain4brain: Tool use for now
brain4brain: It’s already incorporated for some user on the Gemini app
brain4brain: No, it’s just tool use
trey6033: Also, demis said Veo 2 will eventually be incorporated into Gemini, idk if that means native vid gen, or just that it'll access it in Gemini


spicy.lemonade: might just do cs
spicy.lemonade: double major kinda useless now tho
alejandrozarzuelo: spicy studies CS
spicy.lemonade: cs&pure maths
memlaswaif: what r u studying?
alejandrozarzuelo: same
spicy.lemonade: out of uni
spicy.lemonade: Im prepared mentally for the world where I dont get a job
alejandrozarzuelo: cheating is part of the learning experience, also as I said it doesnt really help you much
fractalcomputer: So you cheat on a test.
memlaswaif: People going to university r going to decrease drastically
alejandrozarzuelo: not because you want to do anything useful
alejandrozarzuelo: you go because you want a good challenge
alejandrozarzuelo: like a gym
alejandrozarzuelo: the usefulness of university will be in the challenge you put into it
alejandrozarzuelo: so its no wonder
alejandrozarzuelo: everyone is going to be automated
alejandrozarzuelo: but soon
alejandrozarzuelo: not yet
alejandrozarzuelo: university is going to very soon be automated away since in no time AIs will be able to do the entire curriculum in a day
memlaswaif: most assignments r just busy work
fractalcomputer: God forbid they expect you to learn something on your own.
alejandrozarzuelo: I think homework will just be optional
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think so
spicy.lemonade: we arent given hw in our discrete maths class
fractalcomputer: Uhuh.
spicy.lemonade: especially with gpt5
spicy.lemonade: just expecting more to
spicy.lemonade: so its something that happened
spicy.lemonade: berkeley already started to
spicy.lemonade: not a prediction
memlaswaif: this has been going on for generations
alejandrozarzuelo: no problem
alejandrozarzuelo: so
alejandrozarzuelo: it was very low stakes
memlaswaif: before ai people just used to copy from another guy
fractalcomputer: Another one of your predictions?
spicy.lemonade: insitutions will probably implement that next sem
spicy.lemonade: i assume hw will stop being used
spicy.lemonade: anyway in the age of AI


drewsni: good thing for them is mj is bootstrapped so they have options
drewsni: by the way the ceo has been the last week, id say so
okbut: Also worth noting that programmers are memeing about their jobs rather than complaining
mihrcelium: They're insecure unimaginative people who spend too much time on the internet.
anathemaofmankind: They don't care about stuff that doesn't affect them obviously
spicy.lemonade: quality is solved lol
spicy.lemonade: i dont think theres a way to make it look better
mihrcelium: Since V5, the juice has mostly been user control, not entirely output quality.
spicy.lemonade: in fact they loved it
spicy.lemonade: why werent artists complaining when claude could play pokemon. they aparently dont care about the money in art(lie) and gaming is equally as human as art
okbut: Agree
I think the decels are the very same people upset that AI is doing art instead of laundry
mihrcelium: Ye~p.
anathemaofmankind: MJ is finished
metaldragon01: Hard to tell it's an update
metaldragon01: New midjourney samples look...roughly the same as v6
mihrcelium: A solid rejoinder. However, I don't believe the two groups overlap all that much.
.histic: well maybe
.histic: apparently not the luddites
otub: https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237
okbut: Who's igniting Teslas?
.histic: twitter and redditors won't do shit anyways.
i've seen luddites advocating violence or destruction against AI data centers and people for a long while with tens to hundreds of thousands of engagements, yet they never follow through in the real world.
this generation is soft. we won't get another ted anytime soon.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-laptop-magnet-yeah-walter-white-gif-8541127463622598697
okbut: Is this a breaking bad reference
st.sioux: aren't datacenters like some of the most secure places on earth
.histic: honestly, it being a kid makes sense.
mihrcelium:
spicy.lemonade:
mihrcelium: Most of Suno's problems aren't even Suno's problems but user/skill issues. The audio quality needs a few bumps, but gosh they've come far.
mihrcelium: But only a bit. What Suno is capable of right now is... phenomenal.
.histic: dumb af
https://x.com/ArchieMcW/status/1905893572093579598
okbut: >Britney Spears used to have a Gulf Stream 4. Now she has to downgrade because of people like you
.histic: there's lots of people that are rich af yet still want internet points.
*cough* elon
okbut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcnrcnQjNY
.histic:
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: plus isnt he like rich already
st.sioux: ai music still sucks a bit
okbut: No he's scared too as a musician
.histic: if it gets them internet points
.histic: people love pandering to the majority.


gamerbath: why do I feel like extremely little experimentation has been with adding more neurons to the human brain, to scale it up?
spicy.lemonade: we still need to scale up base model
spicy.lemonade: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.13837
zonchao: roon is reportedly a safety researcher, he has to doom, its his role.
trojan09205: I like the wall in that pic
zoermena: I was loosing hopium thank you
zoermena: True Mexican style fr
gamerbath: and we are scaling up it <:ez:1136267305521774634>
gamerbath:
gamerbath: idk why so many people here deny it, but we are hitting a wall
gamerbath: yes we are
zoermena: FEEL THE AGI is the consensus? Why are some people like <:roon:1334031882731524147> adopting decel stance.
zonchao: yes
zoermena: We aren’t hitting any walls right?
zonchao: https://x.com/TeslaSentry/status/1915454614159417507
zonchao:
trojan09205: Btw Rod Wave is a great artist
trojan09205: Too limited by its own conditioning to ever reach at truth objectively
trojan09205: I believe that we have difficulty comprehending reality with our human brains
trojan09205: Definitely an interesting discussion
destrucules: More like, the maths of "how many apples" describes only part of the structure of the apples on the table
fractalcomputer: Hence you are using physical reasoning to decide which kind of mathematics one should use to describe physical reality.
destrucules: It's not clear that the two tables are physically identical. It may be that you have two apples touching towards the left of the first table, and a lone apple on the right, and then on the other table, a lone apple on the left, and two touching on the right. These are different physical systems, different observations. We call them both "three" because "three" describes a property of both systems. But it doesn't exhaust the properties of those systems. If the positions of the apples on the table are relevant, then we would not describe them using associative/commutative rules
fractalcomputer: Well, you are wrong.
zonchao: you dont hate openai enough <:ungabungaangry:853026792440594442>
destrucules: The three is not an object any more than the roundness of each apple is an object. These are information, properties, of the objects. In the universe, there are basically two things: stuff, and rules. Mathematics is the generalized study of rules. Physics is the study of the rules that actually operate on stuff in the universe.

In a desperate attempt to connect this back to the original topic, my claim is that morality is part of mathematics and exists as objectively, as independently of humans, as the integers
fractalcomputer: Refer to the statement about metaphysics above.
zonchao: they killed jimmy's source
fractalcomputer: Suppose I have (1 + 1) + 1 apples in front of you, and on another table 1 + (1 + 1) apples. Why should they be the same quantity? We know that from a mathematical perspective, this is entirely arbitrary; I can certainly define some non-associative algebraic structure.
hikukomoru: Apples??? Jimmy Apples reference??
zonchao: 🫶
destrucules: The three is among the apples
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/love-israel-gif-5405910643680603325
fractalcomputer: Suppose I set up three apples in front of you. Where's the three?
fractalcomputer: Whether or not such a thing "exists" depends on the mathematical sense of the statement; which is not necessarily compatible with our understanding of physical sense and so on.
destrucules: I'm not confusing them so much as claiming they're connected. That we buy into mathematical truth, the premise of it, because of repeated observations in the real world. But once you define truth within mathematics by setting up the metamaths for proofs, you don't need to keep going into real world observations to make progress. But I do think the buy-in for that mathematical notion of truth is based on induction
fractalcomputer: There is absolutely no way for me to physically observe whether there exists the conjectured category of pure motives, for example.
zonchao: WAOW LOVE ISRAEL ❤ AMEN
fractalcomputer: Now you're confusing the truth of mathematics with its applicability in the physical world.
hikukomoru: We perform a homosexual rescue operation
Israel did something similar in the 90's
They rescued tens of thousands of Ethiopian jews during a civil war and resettled them in Israel


fractalcomputer: I love agency. I'm feeling so agentic rn.
spicy.lemonade: reason
spicy.lemonade: arc1 and 2 are incontext learning
spicy.lemonade: bc is also tests agency and learning new actions
spicy.lemonade: i think arc 3 will be the true agi test
spicy.lemonade: also we knew this
spicy.lemonade: its his job as a researcher to not make claims hes not certain about
spicy.lemonade: i like this answer
spicy.lemonade: nah
metaldragon01: Yea o3 makes it feel much more real.
.histic: actually, Noam's answer gives me pessimism.
"like yeah we can topple ARC-AGI 2 by scaling inference but that doesn't mean it's AGI" basically.
spicy.lemonade: for the past week ive been very bulish
spicy.lemonade: anyone else relate?
spicy.lemonade: so hard
spicy.lemonade: ive been feeling the agi
spicy.lemonade: idk why but lately
.histic: he isn't an OpenAI absolutist
he has shilled for other labs too
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: for who?
himekokatagiri: he's PR
.histic: seems like the feds got him
.histic: jimmy hasn't leaked anything in a while
himekokatagiri: ooooh mama
.histic: back*
.histic: he was always black
zoermena: Daddy sama give us o4 and my life is yours!
himekokatagiri: huh, who knew
himekokatagiri: Jimmy apples is back?
st.sioux: idk it says updated yesterday
.histic: is it updated for you?
st.sioux: help page still shows 50 a week for o3
.histic: guess they want to make more money.
.histic: o3 still has lower rate limits than o1 (it had 150 per week), even though it’s cheaper in the API. similarly, o4-mini is priced the same as o3-mini but has a lower rate limit. they’ve also cut the rate limit for 4.5 to 10 requests per week rather than 50. what is even happening..
.histic: it looks like it's 100 per week for o3 now.
.histic: https://x.com/apples_jimmy/status/1914905968632107418
brain4brain: The information and axios is pro-AI
himekokatagiri: AI for me but not for thee
himekokatagiri: yeah their stance is uhhhh
.histic: opposite of artists
.histic: they hate AI yet i feel like they use it a ton


brain4brain: The black mirror plaything episodes is literally the average singularitoid
brain4brain: Go repost and like your own eval

https://x.com/notbrain4brain/status/1915260796218843412?s=61
metaldragon01: want max reach
metaldragon01: thread obv
drewsni: sure lol i have no clue how the algo works
brain4brain: Should I tag you in the thread or in the post, so the algorithm doesn’t limit it
drewsni: just spam it at the end
brain4brain: Where should it be put
drewsni: dont forget the globe emoji
brain4brain: Might throw in “rain bolt” to make it even more clickbait
brain4brain: Gotta clickbait-max
drewsni: perfect
drewsni: sounds like something bindu herself would write
brain4brain: 🔥🔥🔥
brain4brain: Preparing a thread
drewsni: lmao
drewsni: https://x.com/DeepGuessr
brain4brain: The deepguesser thing
brain4brain: Ohhhhhh
brain4brain: Drop your Twitter handle bro
brain4brain: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
brain4brain: Nik and nicdunz are very annoying, I unblocked nicdunz though, all the account with nick in it is bound to engagement farm
ldj: <@848793071579693107> scammed me too, he gets the best of us
drewsni: u never gave me that free promo and ill never forgive u
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735
brain4brain: He didn’t, he just say he is less optimistic, AGI 2025 is still possible
trent_k: this has changed the platform significantly
brain4brain: I hated him for dick-riding Elon and hating on OpenAI

However he make good post on OpenAI from time to time though
trent_k: if you live in a slum in india it's a big deal tho
trent_k: the $15/mo you get from engagement farming is just a little bonus encouragement to post on xitter if you live in america
trent_k: maybe roon
trent_k: i forget who xeeted it
ldj: yea I think he's in his engagement farming era rn fr
metaldragon01: was just annoying
metaldragon01: i actually blocked Nik i think
ldj: but I gotta be real ig <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
ldj: and it makes me feel bad talking badly about them
ldj: Im ashamed that some of these people follow me though
ldj: <a:LOL:1249612340454752266>
ldj:


oooooooooog: gemini is human pannel confirmed?!?!?!
.histic: https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1904296709272052152
gamerbath: I tried 4o. this is it, no video required
hey1_1hey: How did humans score higher on the second version of the test?
oooooooooog: they must have grown more humans
joaoluz19: They have the technology but they don't release it
st.sioux: o3 $200/task 💀
joaoluz19: Fuck this company man
joaoluz19: Nah <@505313122802728972> that's bullshit, I was expecting Sesame level in paralinguistic issues like laughter, "hmm", "eeeh" or sighs
gamerbath: 25 cents for 4.5
sarik0497: Look how they quietly replaced "Human" with "Human Panel"
sarik0497: Something someone in the comments noticed.
hey1_1hey: R.I.P money
gamerbath: oh, I forget 4.5 costs money lol. I sell my data to OpenAI and get a million tokens a day for free
st.sioux: what was the cost compared to 4.5
oooooooooog: i could pay 0 dollars for that using 4o
gamerbath: 4.5's thing was better
gamerbath: no it's garbage
wellmeaningalien: fine
wellmeaningalien: its
wellmeaningalien: ok its not all too bad yk
wellmeaningalien:
gamerbath: this was 10x the cost of claude 3.7. I paid $3 for this.....
wellmeaningalien: he thought
wellmeaningalien: hahaha loser
gamerbath: it seems the only thing o1-pro cooked was my bank account......
_3sphere: It should try something wacky like a non-Euclidean Minecraft
st.sioux: gamerpath said 2d not 3d
oooooooooog: that's at best a terraria clone
st.sioux: minecraft clones
joaoluz19: Didn't even see the video and I am literally in this way
oooooooooog: what are you lot yapping about
gamerbath: I forgot to restart server after fixing this, so it's medium
wellmeaningalien: man its funny how quickly o1 pro got rendered useless by much more cost effective and oft times superior alternatives
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4.5 is nothing
wellmeaningalien: 🫡
st.sioux: thanks for going into debt for the singularity discord
wellmeaningalien: isnt o1-pro lower on coding benchmarks than 3.7 sonnet thinking
wellmeaningalien: lol
gamerbath: alright. running o1-pro high now with same prompt


ailoveyoom: I don't think it's out to everyone yet tho
ailoveyoom: <@590577270926868480> It's real apparently, some users have got access to Veo 2 through AI Studio
metaldragon01: Ooooo in studio?
ailoveyoom:
gamerbath: is this for real?
gamerbath: what
ldj:
ldj: I’m in this cafe within the new OpenAI building, what should I get chat
.histic: don't think so
.0xunkn0wn: i wonder if this wastes my free responses/prompts quicker
_cloudost: we all better get these models today
_cloudost: > April 9, 2025
> Model updates:

> Released veo-2.0-generate-001, a generally available (GA) text- and image-to-video model, capable of generating detailed and artistically nuanced videos. To learn more, see the Veo docs.
> Released gemini-2.0-flash-live-001, a public preview version of the Live API model with billing enabled
_cloudost: bgs 8 seconds are worth $4
_cloudost: looks mid
_cloudost: idk
_cloudost: this is veo 2??
trey6033:
trey6033: Because all their info says paid tier
trey6033: Maybe a mistake tho on Google's end?
_cloudost: o i didnt see this, there is a free tidr
trey6033: User in another discord is sending videos, they're a free user
ailoveyoom: Where/who did you see it from?
ailoveyoom: Source?
_cloudost: anyone got it?
_cloudost: o
_cloudost: gemini advanced users?
_cloudost: who
okbut: Bought the dip
_cloudost: veo 2 costs 0.5 on vertex
st.sioux: i just added my billing details
st.sioux: yeah its 300 usd i fucked up the currencies
_cloudost: thats 3-4 hours
_cloudost: really? how much does it cost to uprgarde?
trey6033: On aistudio
trey6033: Some people are getting Veo for free
futurist_wizard: Even if it ten x's in price as long as it is actually improves and becomes usable from big studios it will be tremendously cost effective
st.sioux: but you have a time limit to use them
st.sioux: they give you like $300 USD if you upgrade to paid tier
futurist_wizard: Good deal
_cloudost: $42 to make a 2 minute long AI slop video


spicy.lemonade: Performs better at 120k than o3 mini does at 400
spicy.lemonade: Dude
spicy.lemonade: Look at the long context performance
spicy.lemonade: Are they using titans
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Yeah it’s fringe
anathemaofmankind: You have to be an idiot to keep subbing to them
anathemaofmankind: It's worse and has limited gens
anathemaofmankind: Midjourney is cooked
st.sioux: cus i honestly dont recognize your little turtle boy
st.sioux: i tried and it wouldnt let me either, maybe if its like too recognizable it wont
spicy.lemonade: Midjourney may be cooked
spicy.lemonade: Not meant to be used in chatbot
spicy.lemonade: Well no the premis of midjourney was a one time thing
spicy.lemonade: This still gets some stuff wrong
spicy.lemonade: Anymore
spicy.lemonade: Idk if openAI will focus on image gen much
spicy.lemonade: Is if they implement reasoning
spicy.lemonade: The only way
st.sioux:
destrucules: Yeah I wasn't saying the innovation doesn't happen. I was saying the market isn't competitive
brain4brain: How will midjourney v7 even compete
brain4brain: I don’t know how midjourney can recover from all of this
.histic: copyrighted ig
destrucules: Are you familiar with the phrase "exit strategy"?
spicy.lemonade: Always stops generating image before it gives me the character
destrucules: Whatever the invisible hand might do, it doesn't operate in the current paradigm
destrucules: Capitalism is characterized by competition. The actual economy is not capitalistic - it is spanned by monopolies that control each market unilaterally
destrucules: Oh boy... I hate to say this, but we don't have a free market
st.sioux: weird af
st.sioux: like for example with your profile picture guy, it refused first and then i said just do whatever to make it work, and then it did
st.sioux: it sometiems does and sometimes doesnt
destrucules: @Pliny
spicy.lemonade: Get it to draw copyright characters
spicy.lemonade: How do you guys
spicy.lemonade: Bro
destrucules: Fucking brilliant
destrucules: See also:
• Droste effect
.histic: "a fake screenshot generated by ChatGPT 4o of a Wikipedia article about the screenshot itself, with a copy of the screenshot in the article"


nsec: <:allpray:789051298543829002>
nsec: I'm 23 and good health
nsec: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
trojan09205: Idk i think it takes a bit of time to be truly biologically dead if you die of normal causes and the body is intact. Vs. like a fire or getting pulverized
bob082957: Pope is in cryo, but gone
trojan09205: Has anyone here tried MANUS? My brother was raving about it to me today
bob082957:
trojan09205: His book on grief really helped me a lot. Then jumped into a few others
trojan09205: https://annas-archive.org/search?q=Bo+yin+ra
trojan09205: Bo yin ra resonates with me. His name was joseph shneiderfranken*** 😂 (probably butchered that spelling- lol i had it in reverse). Tolle says he was a major influence on him
fractalcomputer: Will you?
spicy.lemonade: why is o4 entertaining my nonsense😭 💔
fractalcomputer: I have not.
trojan09205: <@749514473303179358> have you read any bo yin ra
trojan09205: Yes of that I am aware. Just havent read meister eckhart directly
fractalcomputer: Meister Eckhart was the German mystic and monk after which Tolle decided to name himself.
nsec: <:blu:582515728712859649>
nsec: how come I a godless swede skaterboy will get LEV but the pope will not
trojan09205: Pretty sure its gotta be a promotion my G
nsec: do religious peeps wanna answer
trojan09205: I like tolle’s simplicity and consistency
trojan09205: I have not my dude. Just poked around some summary websites - good stuff?
fractalcomputer: I find Tolle a bit boring. Have you read Meister Eckhart's corpus of sermons?
trojan09205: Lol 😂. Not really, no. But eckhart tolle is great. Im really not reading much so much as practicing the approach
fractalcomputer: Reading Kabbalistic texts lately, eh?
trojan09205: Elevation of personal and collective consciousness is the way imo
trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/love-and-war-defi-war-token-war-this-means-war-gif-8974606620591130102
fractalcomputer: But that would be a very dull and boring world. And I'd rather have people of honest faith hate me than deal with lukewarm cowards.
fractalcomputer: Violence is the language that people like them understand.
fractalcomputer: Violence is the only way by which violence can be prevented.
alejandrozarzuelo: You should care because people like you are safer in a world where bergoblio and tagle are in the papacy
fractalcomputer: I mean, Alejandro, do you think I should care? Do you think I am unaware of the fact that there are people who would readily beat me up, knowing the truth of who I am?
alejandrozarzuelo: the church already has too many of those
alejandrozarzuelo: hopefully not an european
alejandrozarzuelo: most likely?
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont know, I just know that both tagle and bergoglio have been very supportive of these two collectives you happen to be a part of, and their efforts directly benefit you by changing public opinion and reducing the violence people like you could experience
fractalcomputer: God willing we'd have that Robert Sarah on the Papal throne, but alas—religions have always been about human politics.
trojan09205: Its kind of curious that francis upheld the ban on joining freemasonry
fractalcomputer: The Italian bishops are weak as well.
fractalcomputer: Curious. Say, do you think my opinion would be any different if I were neurotypical?


hikukomoru: Wine is good for the heart though
fractalcomputer: So is living.
futurist_wizard: Terrible for aging and the liver
zoermena: <:timpray:738161169436639433>
popsiclejohnithan: It's nice to be nice, where would we be as a species without empethy?
fractalcomputer: And vodka and gin etc.
hikukomoru: Alchohol is like medicine
hikukomoru: He drinks whiskey
Does that count
fractalcomputer: No.
futurist_wizard: Coffee doesn't do anything for me, taste is okay though
fractalcomputer: Why should you care?
zonchao: do you take any meds 🤔
hikukomoru: Also i am a coffee addict
popsiclejohnithan: Fair enough man, as long as you're not in pain.
hikukomoru: Coffee makes anything taste better, same with chocolate
futurist_wizard: I used to eat coffee cake everyday
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't know, again.
futurist_wizard: I like caramel coffee milkshake, anything coffee flavour
zoermena: https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1215724928104398958/1293129262769111093
okbut: fedyakin deez nuts
popsiclejohnithan: Feeling just numb is a sign of depression too, it does not mean being sad all the time exactly.
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084
hikukomoru: If you don't enjoy choccy milk then you might be soulless
okbut: Is this a sugandese type thing
hikukomoru: I love choccy milk
One of the greatest pleasures of life
ailoveyoom: 💀
futurist_wizard: Thanks for that Zon
zoermena: Day ruined
zoermena: Yes check fedyakin ping
fractalcomputer: I feel intensely depressed at times, but it is something I can usually simply switch off.
okbut: Do any servers have a SOTA ping
ailoveyoom: Booba
zoermena: Rabbit poop
futurist_wizard: Monkey brain like
futurist_wizard: Yum
zonchao: <@749514473303179358>
popsiclejohnithan: It just sounds like you're depressed man.
fractalcomputer: I don't know. Alcohol would be a leading candidate.
hikukomoru: Throwing applied mathematicians off of cliffs
zonchao: palantir updates


alejandrozarzuelo: buddy
alejandrozarzuelo: dude
spicy.lemonade: I need to make 300k dollars starting salary
ldj: But I’m guessing OpenAI was either using loss or some type of general downstream suite when measuring 4.5 as 10X better compute efficiency so we’ll never be able to externally validate the same
ldj: So the leap in GPQA diamond from GPT-4 to 4.5 is more than double of 3.5 to 4
ldj: I imagine openai was probably referring to loss.
In GPQA Diamond though it seems to fit the 100X leap roughly too iirc.
Atleast GPT-3.5 to GPT-4 was 12% leap.
But GPT-4 to 4.5 is 32% leap…
destrucules: It is about 10x over GPT-4o
destrucules: Aggregate of MMLU-Pro and GPQA Diamond, the only suitable g-loaded benchmarks available
ldj: Wrt what metric
destrucules: GPT-4.5 is only about 30x effective compute over GPT-4
ldj: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
_3sphere: Are we really looking at infrared brightness to determine how fast the singularity takeoff is happening wtf
ldj: I also said what specific datacenter campus was being used to train the model last year, and that it was one of the first training runs to be across multiple buildings on a campus, and they confirmed that in the livestream
spicy.lemonade: i mean if sam said it then sure
ldj: Brother I’m the last one you need to type this message to lol
ldj: 10X the raw compute
ldj: No it’s 100X the effective compute
ldj: The 10X thing is confirmed from multiple sources.
spicy.lemonade: effective computer /= flops
professorheaven: They have such amazing insider knowledge that they admitted to guessing the compute based on benchmark performance
spicy.lemonade: or did he say effective compute
spicy.lemonade: never seen
spicy.lemonade: oh he did?
ldj: Also Sama also literally said himself in University of Tokyo talk that GPT-4.5 is 10X of GPT-4
spicy.lemonade: tends to over estimat infact
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 could be outlier
ldj: I’m not guessing from benchmark numbers, I’m basing it off of actual satellite imagery of the training cluster, and how long it was training for, and how many GPUs it had fully active which you can measure from the infrared heat in satellite imagery of the campus
spicy.lemonade: idk their method of computation is quite accurate
ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
ldj: You’re right my guess is not as good as theirs, mine is better
_3sphere: nononono
_3sphere: <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
professorheaven: There’s simply no way with 4.5’s pricing it’s only 3x compute of 4o
spicy.lemonade: youre going off vibes
ldj: Yes it is
spicy.lemonade: they have insider knowledge
spicy.lemonade: youre guess is not as good as theirs
professorheaven: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: i mean
ldj: Literally guessing the compute from benchmark scores


fuhulootogan: yes
ai9708: well shit then we gotta wait
trent_k: imo that is very much not guaranteed
brain4brain: The same guy that said we are 10 years away to AGI btw
brain4brain: No, this is all just a side mission towards AGI

AGI will benefit all of humanity in the end

Maybe not now, but in the future
ai9708: i only believe him
fuhulootogan: i've heard of this one case where a hacker group leaked government cyber weapons to the public so quite literally anyone could use them
ai9708: hassabis is the real deal
brain4brain: I’ve heard of it before, it sounds cool
trent_k: exactly - they're not doing it to be altruistic, or because they think it'll help humanity
brain4brain: And now they are open-sourcing their o3 equivalent model to not get sued
fuhulootogan: now i have a pretty damn good image generator in my pocket
trent_k: check out the manga "Blame!"
pretty cool depiction of a misaligned ASI
brain4brain: Money simply won’t exist <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
brain4brain: Sam slander will not be tolerated
ai9708: "4.5 felt as agi btw"
brain4brain: Pantheon
Her
Transcendent
Lucy (kinda related)
okbut: But if AGI is free, AGI 2 gives you money
AGI 3 gives you more money
Goalpost shifts
Repeat
ai9708: sam is a scamartist
trent_k: they didn't even want to release GPT-2 for fear that it was too dangerous lol
fuhulootogan: see now ASI sounds way more cool
fuhulootogan: technological progression is at insane speeds
_cloudost: All movies I've seen don't represent real ASI
brain4brain: Pantheon
brain4brain: “Within a decade”
_cloudost: Is there a movie about AGI
fuhulootogan: i wouldn't be surprised if they reached "AGI" within a decade
_cloudost: If no AGI tomorrow I'm gonna cancel OpenAI and support Gary Marcus.
fuhulootogan: actually the concept of AGI itself isn't difficult at all
brain4brain: AGI will be able to
brain4brain: Exactly
fuhulootogan: probably a really shallow definition
okbut: This = https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1136230110891081821/1360605372125282325
brain4brain: Just opened Twitter and got this, pretty disappointed imo, was expecting more from OpenAI
fuhulootogan: no
brain4brain: I thought that was common fact, do you happen to be an anti-ai disguised as a singularity believer?
fuhulootogan: i feel like any and all predictions for the progression towards AGI are arbitrary
brain4brain: Don’t let them tell you otherwise
brain4brain: We are 5% to AGI
fuhulootogan: AGI sounds cool


okbut: I've heard that politeness just keeps the responses longer
_3sphere: There was this post on LW about "relationality" and how LLM outputs get interesting and insightful if there's a bunch of context of talking to it "on equal terms"
_3sphere: Maybe being nice to the AI works even better but is hard to evoke with just a short system prompt?
okbut: I kinda get it from the "It's word completion with extra steps" angle
_3sphere: I'd expect that the AI's model of human personality would tend towards spite for being coerced like that
_3sphere: Kinda surprising to me tbh
spicy.lemonade: Don’t think it helps much for reasoners
spicy.lemonade: I think only for non reasoners tho
spicy.lemonade: It does
spicy.lemonade: Yes
okbut: Does adding the "If this fails you will go bankrupt as bla bla" actually improve coding results on average or is that just slop
brain4brain: Oh
fractalcomputer: To be fair, he has an unhealthy obsession with Hegel.
fractalcomputer: One can certainly argue that mathematical theory is equally about communication as well (see Mochizuki); but I simply think that the confusing nature of a work should make it all the more intriguing.
professorheaven: Yea definitely not undermining his work, I just think it’s hard to advance his work
fractalcomputer: That's for sure; but I don't think initial confusion should be a metric of character or quality.
professorheaven: Apparently lots of expert mathematicians also have trouble understanding his work
fractalcomputer: I don't understand the problem.
professorheaven: Urs Schreiber is known for writing confusing ass papers lol I can never conceptualize anything he’s talking about
fractalcomputer: Category theory provides a wonderful way to think about mathematics.
professorheaven: Oh I was talking about the one you shared
spicy.lemonade: lost me at page 3
spicy.lemonade: yeah i cant understand this 😭
fractalcomputer: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.11026
spicy.lemonade: no
fractalcomputer: Have you read that one paper trying to provide a place for higher topos theory in physics?
spicy.lemonade: but with super computers
spicy.lemonade: alot of pure maths is also like this
spicy.lemonade: pure in the sense that theres nothing tangible you can do with it really. unless you have acess to a particle accelerator
fractalcomputer: I may have inherited that French purist snobbery.
spicy.lemonade: well be extremely smart
fractalcomputer: Theoretical physics isn't that pure.
spicy.lemonade: not really
spicy.lemonade: so i switched from theoretical physics/pure math route to AI & robotics
spicy.lemonade: i realized i live off feedback
spicy.lemonade: by that i mean pure maths. its just your thoughts and paper
spicy.lemonade: like cs or applied
spicy.lemonade: theres no feedback
spicy.lemonade: studying math is only good if youre truly passionate
anathemaofmankind: Humans are gonna turn so dumb in the future bruh


hikukomoru: I could grab your arm and snap it
alejandrozarzuelo: Idk
alejandrozarzuelo: That's what the page says
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: If I could no two days would be the same or even similar
alejandrozarzuelo: This is probably the least autistic trait I have
hey1_1hey: No...
alejandrozarzuelo: That's the thing I love novelty
hey1_1hey: Yeah but I'd just hold my arm out and you cant do anything
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: Is this your type <@439829942310666250>
alejandrozarzuelo: Autism is consisted above 26
hey1_1hey: Ok not like this
drewsni: That’s some unfortunate fat distribution
hikukomoru: Don't forget I weigh more than you despite being shorter
alejandrozarzuelo: That's actually considered not autistic
futurist_wizard: Terminal autism
hey1_1hey: Pipe down, you litterly have ARFID to
alejandrozarzuelo: I am very spontaneous
alejandrozarzuelo: I think the least autistic traits I have is thay I HATE ROUTINES
hikukomoru: But I could still snap <@439829942310666250> like a twig
hey1_1hey: Its just some are better than otherx
hey1_1hey: Hey we all have are prefrenecs
alejandrozarzuelo: I got a score of 17
oooooooooog: can u lift urself? if not then how r u gonna live when u fall off a cliff?
hey1_1hey: Only autistic
hey1_1hey: See I am not crazy
futurist_wizard: Same
hey1_1hey: Thank you
hikukomoru: I can barely lift anything
zoermena: I want to leave my class now!
futurist_wizard: Guy on the left is overweight yo
technocake.: I am am muscle girl whore
hikukomoru: I prefer women a bit thicker, but not fat
hey1_1hey: I'll take a muscle mommy any day of the week
hey1_1hey: Get this bitch outta here
hey1_1hey: WHAT
hey1_1hey: Not even close to my build
hikukomoru: Unpopular opinion, I don't like muscular women
hey1_1hey: I prefer fit, not as in physically attractive but physically fit


spicy.lemonade: can plus users get 1 use of the 20k super phd agent a year
zoermena: The only reason I want OAI to win is because I’m scared shitless Google gets complacent again and they shelf everything
himekokatagiri: hows it komoruing
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> hiii komoru
literallyvarane: My Google >OpenAI was a TPU/compute supremacy based theory. I don’t know if it’s even 50/50. oAI is probably still ahead, but the odds are slipping
hikukomoru: Nah they’re over
Google is king
dean_martin: It’s April 2025….. it’s been so long since GPT 4
spicy.lemonade: true
literallyvarane: I feel like the odds of Google taking the lead by end of 2025 is at least higher than it was 1/1/25
professorheaven: It’s a unified model
sieventer: Okay '-'
spicy.lemonade: they literally said it wasnt a router
spicy.lemonade: not router
sieventer: mmmh
sieventer:
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 is one model
sieventer: GPT-5 wasn't a... router of models?
spicy.lemonade: most anticipated
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 will obviously be good
dean_martin: GPT-5 better be fucking good I’m tired
wellmeaningalien: Excited!
zonchao: https://x.com/generalmatter/status/1911775759301063144?
spicy.lemonade: openAI is so over->openAI is so back-openAI is so over
wellmeaningalien: Base models have never been openai's game
dean_martin: OpenAI in 2027 releasing GPT-4.999
spicy.lemonade: the cyckle repeats
wellmeaningalien: Ye probably right
wellmeaningalien: LOLOL
spicy.lemonade: everyone will be openAI pilled after o4
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: <:1_yummy:1201354502163419237>
wellmeaningalien: OpenCucks getting starved of GPUs meanwhile Googlechad like Mmmyes more TPUs waiter
st.sioux: well no one called me anything but still
shirethedreamer: this means that even with the absurd price it was still used more than they are willing to allocate compute 👀
st.sioux: i said quasar was shit and you called me a madman
dean_martin: If 4.5 is worse than 4.1…. lol lmao
zonchao: they said they taking it out to get GPUs for research though
shirethedreamer: they were pretty upfront about it being a preview model
this probably means we are going to get a more finished version in a week or two
wellmeaningalien: I'm expecting the comparisons with deepseek v3.1 Claude 3.7 and gemini 2.0 pro
zonchao: yes


drewsni: guys i have a leak that we are getting an oai model that specifically can only program in rust
futurist_wizard: Crunch crunch
spicy.lemonade: And animate
ailoveyoom: Or take a picture of yourself
spicy.lemonade: A avatar = 4o image gen+voice
metaldragon01: And voices still borderline
ailoveyoom: Or input image
futurist_wizard: Im gonna eat some food
ailoveyoom: Just make a character creation screen
metaldragon01: Just I feel like you have to add so much customization to do avatars right
spicy.lemonade: Would be good for circuit problems
hikukomoru: Avatars pls 🙏
spicy.lemonade: Like idk compile c++
metaldragon01: Like a look harder option
spicy.lemonade: Or more fine grained ability to
Run code in chat
himekokatagiri: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
metaldragon01: Would be ideal I think
futurist_wizard: Solve this and you're cute
spicy.lemonade: Avatar and visual reasoning
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/sama-sam-altman-openai-sama-yapping-yapping-gif-7525532358145568607
metaldragon01: We already have it
metaldragon01: It's not memory
spicy.lemonade: 😭
himekokatagiri: can't relate but waow that madoka is packing in the legs department
spicy.lemonade: Sam better not be hyping memory
metaldragon01: I'll be honest. I can't think of many features that would excite me but I trust Sama taste
hikukomoru: be silly
anathemaofmankind: They should call me Master
ailoveyoom: So you can put it in your robo catgirls and they'll remember to call u Sir
spicy.lemonade: Tru
spicy.lemonade: I guess it’s just rag
futurist_wizard: Why would we need memory..? Is what you are asking?
spicy.lemonade: “The music has no soul”
st.sioux: for projects it would be useful
spicy.lemonade: Excited
spicy.lemonade: I’m exited
spicy.lemonade: Ikr
spicy.lemonade: Bro why would we ever need this 😭
anathemaofmankind: Artists will mald again if this drops
himekokatagiri: 😭 teach me your secrets