himekokatagiri: https://archive.org/details/magical-girl-noir-quest
a1c4p0ne: For fun
hikukomoru: Unfortunately yes
Why did you ping me for that
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
hikukomoru: I have no clue what that is
.wolfnacht: why u gotta show me this, *also why i saw that*
a1c4p0ne: Did you watch it
hikukomoru: Why did you ping me for that
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kyubey-madoka-magica-magia-record-gif-20122535
futurist_wizard: Most polite Chinese tourist:
ldj: I haven't tested it enough yet.
But in terms of third party benchmarks that I've seen so far, I'd have to put the largest one below O3, Below Gemini-2.5-Pro, maybe slightly under Deepseek R1 (except in more math intense areas)

The general knowledge/hallucinations in SimpleQA is worse then I was hoping for, It's only a bit better than GPT-4o-mini in SimpleQA and significantly worse than even Claude-3-Opus in it.

SimpleQA scores:

GPT-4.5 = 62.5%
Gemini-2.5-Pro = 52.9%
Grok-3 beta = 43.6%
GPT-4o = 38.2%
Deepseek R1 = 30%
Claude-3.5-sonet = 28.9%
Claude 3 Opus = 23.5%
**Qwen-3-235B = 11%**
 GPT-4o-mini = 8.6%

GPQA is already moderately math-involved imo, but even in GPQA it's worse than o3-mini by nearly 15% and worse than R1, and seems around the level of the 70B R1 distillation.

GPQA scores:

Claude-3.7-sonnet = 84.8%
Gemini-2.5-Pro = 84%
O3-mini = 79.7%
Grok-3 = 75.4%
GPT-4.5 = 71.4%
Deepseek R1 = 71%
Deepseek R1-distill-70B = 65.2%
**Qwen-3-235B = 65%**
Gemini 2.0 = 62%
Deepseek V3 = 59%
himekokatagiri: main character of magical girl noir quest
futurist_wizard: The world always has a chance to end when chimps are running things
a1c4p0ne: <@505313122802728972>
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/narcoblogger/status/1917050683414528153?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
aero447: Paperclip time.
aero447:
aero447: Yes.
hikukomoru: I don't know who that is
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kyubey-madoka_magica-gif-9959444
.wolfnacht: *then dramatically the world ends after 30 minutes of AGI arrival*
aero447: In the end we all do what we must.
aero447: It'll do what they thought,
aero447: If it follows ought,
aero447: Whose poetry gained it man's trust,
aero447: There was an AI made of dust,
aero447: There will be no party.
himekokatagiri: and eating maravilhas
himekokatagiri: I'll be smoking and drinking like chiaki matsuda
himekokatagiri: Could be a fun event
himekokatagiri: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
hikukomoru: If I'm Kyubey does this mean I get to turn everyone into a mahou shoujo
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kyubei-anime-gif-11421920
himekokatagiri: You're our resident meguca so just how kyubey gave madoka a cake you'll be in charge of supplying the cake
himekokatagiri: I'll be in charge of supplying brazilian party snacks
himekokatagiri: There's gonna be a huge party
himekokatagiri: uooooh
hikukomoru: Rewarded for schizoposting in the Singularity discord server
futurist_wizard:
destrucules: We see this down to the 1.7B, which is around the level of GPT-3.5, and also, considering embedding parameters, nearly an order of magnitude smaller than the 8.2B, which is at GPT-4 level. This mirrors what we see with the Gemma 3 series, the Llama 3 series, and the Qwen2.5 series, which all show roughly a 10x gap between 3.5 and 4


hey1_1hey: Its said and done now guys
ailoveyoom: Wat hap
hey1_1hey: ggs
abundantliving_: Agi is here......
.0xunkn0wn: DAMN
hey1_1hey: I can already feel it
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293
hey1_1hey: This is AGI
gamerbath: API LET'S GOOO
hey1_1hey: NOVEL IDEAS
spicy.lemonade: TODAY
zoermena: RSI WAS MENTIONED?
spicy.lemonade: YYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
return_to_monke1_33974: what is this
hey1_1hey: 600
drewsni: BALD MAN IS THE ONE THAT GOT GPT 4 TO WORK BTW
.0xunkn0wn: WOAHHH
hey1_1hey: YOOOOOOOO
hey1_1hey: RSI
spicy.lemonade: YOOO
zoermena: Im jumping in my office bathroom
futurist_wizard: Get bald man off my screen
hey1_1hey: BUNGA
hey1_1hey: UNGA
.0xunkn0wn: OMG
hikukomoru: RSI
zoermena: WHAT
hey1_1hey: SO ARKAWRTD
hey1_1hey: ITS
hey1_1hey: Oh god
drewsni: NOVEL IDEAS LFG
hey1_1hey: Greg gotta start speaking like a human and not through TTS
zoermena: AUTISTIC OVERDRIVE
hey1_1hey: THIS MF IS AUTISTIC ASF
hey1_1hey: Yuh yuh
.0xunkn0wn: lets SEE
a1c4p0ne: Right on time
futurist_wizard: Can't wait to see Altman's black hole
hikukomoru: STARTING
hey1_1hey: Hey team


himekokatagiri: can you prompt them
zoermena: <:HogScream:675065311946473492>
.histic: haven't tested it much, need better problems.
ldj: > add more and more models onto the current architecture
It's not separate models btw, did you mean to say "modalities" and not "models"?
It's all one model that can see, hear speak etc..
You're just sending more data into the same model
trojan09205: Meta Raybans are clutch for that. Surprising that llama 3.1 has so much training data on music
trojan09205: AI is fantastic for music recommendations
literallyvarane: Is it good tho
sarik0497: The only thing I'm 90% sure will happen in 5-10 years will be the invention of a Virtual Cell. Demis Hassabis has yet to disappoint.
sarik0497: Exactly.

I intend to continue my life as it is, with or without AI. I have set my expectations to 50/50 that AGI will be here by 2040-50. I don't think it'll be that long, but I don't wanna fuck myself over by waiting for something that might not come.
popsiclejohnithan: That's the hope.
himekokatagiri: best case scenario is ASI takes over, strip those suckers out of their power and everyone will be equalish
himekokatagiri: as in, they grind us up for pennies
himekokatagiri: We don't look after ourselves -- the ruling class looks after us
himekokatagiri: I think the issue is people lump in all of humanity as one collective
popsiclejohnithan: I know, people can do scary shit when they get radical, and i agree i think we are too chaotic to look after ourselves.
himekokatagiri: Let the cool shit happen in FDVR
himekokatagiri: We need full ASI control
himekokatagiri: so sad
popsiclejohnithan: But you would be suprised how far people are willing to go.
popsiclejohnithan: True.
himekokatagiri: I mean even then who's making a nuke
popsiclejohnithan: Same with vulger stuff too.
popsiclejohnithan: I know, unless it's instructions on how to make a nuke, Biowepon etc i don't think it should be censored.
himekokatagiri: Shame about the censorship policies though
popsiclejohnithan: Yeah i think Google has a good chance, especially with their TPUs, it may be their moat until Open A.I. and others can replicate it.
popsiclejohnithan: Unless they drop a suprise amzing model.
himekokatagiri: it's all Google and OAI now
himekokatagiri: well whatever anthropic is small potatoes
popsiclejohnithan: I don't see the point when the competition is racing past you.
popsiclejohnithan: He is, i think he is holding their models back deliberately.
himekokatagiri: ain't Dario a safety fink
popsiclejohnithan: It could be later or earlier honestly, it all depends what happebs down the line.
popsiclejohnithan: Yeah pretty much.
popsiclejohnithan: Earlier anthropic's CEO said 2026/27 was likely for A.G.I. and the A.G.I. countdown says 27 as a medicine
.histic: basically
.histic: Dario
himekokatagiri: It was that stupid AGI 2027 website
himekokatagiri: Who even came up with that
himekokatagiri: 2027 is too early
popsiclejohnithan: I'm just following the masses and saying 2027.


a1c4p0ne: Try the app
fractalcomputer: Sure.
dean_martin: Jesus already returned and I’m him just thought yall should know
spicy.lemonade: manus is old news
a1c4p0ne: No one talking about Manus
zoermena: Agents plus 20k a month GPT
spicy.lemonade: this is infinetly more plausible than jesus returning
fractalcomputer: And Christ will return in the lifetime of his disciples, upon a great white cloud from the heavens.
spicy.lemonade: i bet
spicy.lemonade: before agi
spicy.lemonade: we will see systems that can automate ai research on their own
hikukomoru: This year pls 🙏
spicy.lemonade: in true form
spicy.lemonade: and agi will get us ASI
spicy.lemonade: rsi will get us agi
zoermena: Does AGI even matter if we get RSI first?
abundantliving_: we crossed in this discord 3k , imagine the slop at 30k or 300k in discord
spicy.lemonade: tho
spicy.lemonade: sticking with 2027
spicy.lemonade: not even a crazy prediction
spicy.lemonade: agi could come next year ngl
dean_martin: That’s a given
hikukomoru: I’m an OG <:ez:1136267305521774634>
abundantliving_: <@312370916820779040> are you working on any general purpose agents ?

if you have any ideas on what challenges could be there for not being able to release agents .
fractalcomputer: Profoundly retarded, yes.
st.sioux: you were like 2 years old when the subreddit started
spicy.lemonade: i was an og smh
ailoveyoom: I don't trust
joaoluz19: The competition is brutal
ailoveyoom: Gemini App <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
dean_martin: Crazy that singularity is so big now. 3 million users, are we all crazy?
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: I’m the most qualified person for this
spicy.lemonade: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jyhkj4/25_pro_native_image_generation_is_coming_soon/
joaoluz19: Oh mb
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 native image
spicy.lemonade: no not that\
nobranes: I like 4.5 for conversation but productivity I use other models
joaoluz19: Yep but I sent the source
spicy.lemonade: singularity


hikukomoru: AI is already aligned
spacetimetsunami: aignment will solve itself........
fractalcomputer: Ethics is a joke.
precariousworlds.: :(
precariousworlds.: Can we solve the alignment problem by next tuesday?
spacetimetsunami: idc
spacetimetsunami: it was political tho, so kill me
spacetimetsunami: i got a vid to 160 k views tho
spacetimetsunami: nah
st.sioux: are u famous
spacetimetsunami: kinda
spacetimetsunami: dont worry i blew up on tik tok
spacetimetsunami: some cringe too
spacetimetsunami: some funny stuff but
spacetimetsunami: lots of cringe stuff
spacetimetsunami: yeah dont check that lol
fractalcomputer: The gigasecond counter is ticking..
maintcrew: strangely i checked ur instagram and i started humanize you a lot more than a simple name and messages
spacetimetsunami: when ASI
spacetimetsunami: also \
spacetimetsunami: who cares
spacetimetsunami: dont feel bad
st.sioux: gee
st.sioux: now i feel bad
st.sioux: im bored bro i dont actually think youre stupid
spacetimetsunami: geez guys ik im hot but
oooooooooog: 31 years
spacetimetsunami: why are you suddenly obsessing over me
fractalcomputer: Everytime someone mistakenly predicts the date of appearance of artificial general intelligence or superintelligence, I postpone its actual date by a gigasecond.
st.sioux: im not stupid it was just rage bait boys
maintcrew: gee
st.sioux: saving face bruh
spacetimetsunami: *rage bait successful*
wellmeaningalien: bruh im sorry my lawd
spacetimetsunami: also guys
spacetimetsunami: typo
maintcrew: DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING I STG
st.sioux: its simbotical*
wellmeaningalien: maybe like 2026 if lucky
wellmeaningalien: I DONT FUCKING KNOW but 2027 earliest 2028 more likely but could be up until 2030 i couldnt tell you


hey1_1hey: No, not even slightly
hey1_1hey: I can feel it
hey1_1hey: Theres going to be a 10x increase in the entertainment industry
hikukomoru: You think you're so clever
.wolfnacht: monitor suicide rates
_cloudost:
.wolfnacht: it already did.
zoermena: It gave you Walter’s fit!
zoermena:
_cloudost:
hey1_1hey: We all have are prefrences as they say
hikukomoru: Me
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/me-hanamaru-kindergarten-anime-hiiragi-blue-eyes-gif-17172139
hey1_1hey: who
hey1_1hey: I mean what
hey1_1hey: Vladamir putin?
zoermena: I’ll dedicate this year to substantially improve my health and looks
hey1_1hey: If I didn't have 100" shoulders I'd be a grand femboy
memlaswaif: u know who else is hot
hey1_1hey: Agreed, they are hot
zoermena: Im on the process of becoming “one” I do have some features I just need some polishing, end result is my profile picture
hey1_1hey: Femboys are based (this is coming from the based femboy society)
memlaswaif: we need moar femboys in this world
memlaswaif: same
hikukomoru: I support him on his journey
hey1_1hey: What a guy
hikukomoru: He said he's trying to become a femboy
hey1_1hey: I like dick aswell thank you very much
hikukomoru: Just two homos
hey1_1hey: I dont even look close to that
hikukomoru: I image that's what both of u look like irl
memlaswaif: zor r u femboy
hey1_1hey: Just what I want to see, my weird gremlin of a hallucination in image form and me asking them what the fuck are they talking about
zoermena: When I finish my breakfast I’ll replace myself with komoru
hey1_1hey: I thought it was just someone random until I looked at your pfp
hey1_1hey: Ah that didn't tick in my brain 😭
zoermena: Because I am
hey1_1hey: I dont know why the guy is wearing the bisexual flag as a jumper tho <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: To wtf that goes hard
zoermena:


zoermena: I’ll arrange a visit with a dermatologist ASAP
zoermena: Im in the trenches
zoermena: My acne makes me look like shit
zonchao: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1902934874635346231?
rayanquitplayin: What y’all think??
rayanquitplayin: 3 beats I made
rayanquitplayin: That was the last lol
st.sioux: too much music bro lol
rayanquitplayin:
rayanquitplayin:
zonchao: it's ass
zonchao: yes
rayanquitplayin:
rayanquitplayin: You guys wanna hear some music I produced?
st.sioux: ask chatgpt to explain llm model weights
rayanquitplayin: What’s AGI weight?
brain4brain: The population will make the AGI or maybe AGI weight will get leaked
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laugh-funny-fun-hilarious-gif-13406227750017924249
rayanquitplayin: We just need the creators of AGI to share the tech with the population
brain4brain: I hope so
rayanquitplayin: It’ll be mad cheap
brain4brain: They are so far behind they are saying LLM can’t get us to AGI
brain4brain: Yes
.wolfnacht: seems like meta's far behind
st.sioux: yea i dont know if i should be saving up for tha transition period or just spend everything cus moneyy wont matter
brain4brain: Qwen got a 100% a while back, you can Google it
.wolfnacht: https://nypost.com/2024/01/12/lifestyle/gen-z-paralyzed-with-fear-of-turning-30-as-unattractive-hags/
rayanquitplayin: It’ll prob be that good before AGI
rayanquitplayin: Imo, AGI will prob be good enough to educate you on whatever education you need
.wolfnacht: damm..... now what abt open source ?
spicy.lemonade: and time wasting
spicy.lemonade: burning money
spicy.lemonade: just like
spicy.lemonade: asi rather
.wolfnacht: 😩 the peak fantasy
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: yeah imagine being in college during agi
st.sioux: but after that i guess its cool
st.sioux: there will be a time period where it will suck because college will be useless but there will be no alternative until society adjusts to the new norm
brain4brain:


777agical:
futurist_wizard: I can't think of anything since gpt4o that has massively improved
futurist_wizard: I would
jonvi_1: Does this seem like a LLM response orr?
jonvi_1: https://x.com/war_lizard/status/1910017033665978697?s=46
zoermena: I wouldn't say its minor
777agical: faster than it seems as a whole, we can better tackle things moving forward
futurist_wizard: The consumer has had a minor improvement since gpt4o debut
alejandrozarzuelo: I fully trust the PRC, Their glory will rejuvenate the human nation
alejandrozarzuelo: Please R2, save us from our slowdown
futurist_wizard: For the consumer anyway
alejandrozarzuelo: Second AI autumn incoming 😔
futurist_wizard: I think we've slowed
rayanquitplayin: Makes sense
metaldragon01: So fast is normal and normal is batch price lol rip
alejandrozarzuelo: It's just that the direction of progrès is different
alejandrozarzuelo: I wouldn't call this "progress is faster than it seems"
777agical: Not sure which problems exactly, but the paper probably later alludes to it. But the gist is: [People thought that when you let an AI try more times, it only gets a little bit better over time (like slowly climbing a hill).

But actually, on each problem, it gets better really fast with more tries. The reason it looks like it’s only getting a little better is because:

👉 A few super hard problems are dragging down the average.

So when we say “the numbers were tricking us,” we mean that the average performance made it look like AIs aren’t improving much, but that’s just because of those hard problems skewing the results.]
alejandrozarzuelo: The idea is that there is not just one metric improving slowly, but instead many metrics improving fast, but sequentially
rayanquitplayin: Where is the progress happening?
literallyvarane: Batching
drewsni: Wait why are the numbers tricking us what problems are harder?
alejandrozarzuelo: I wouldn't call it slower
alejandrozarzuelo: Or that it appears
alejandrozarzuelo: It's just that the progress is happening in different places than we thought
alejandrozarzuelo: Not really
alejandrozarzuelo: Well
777agical: ChatGPT: [When you let an AI try something many times (like solving a math problem), its chances of getting it right go up fast. But when you look at how AIs do on average across lots of problems, the improvement looks slower—like a power law.

This paper figured out why:
Some problems are super hard, and the AI almost never gets them right, no matter how many tries. These tough ones mess with the average and make it seem like the AI is improving more slowly than it really is.

What this means for the future:
    •    We can predict how much better AI gets with more tries, without wasting a ton of computer power.
    •    We can evaluate and improve AI faster and cheaper.
    •    We better understand why AIs fail sometimes, which helps us make them safer and smarter.

⸻

Basically: AI is actually improving faster than we thought, and now we know why the numbers were tricking us.]
rayanquitplayin: AI def gonna take finance jobs
metaldragon01: It absolutely not worth at those fast prices
777agical: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.17578 <@312370916820779040> <:brilliantmove:1281977133601652816>
metaldragon01: Just how slow is slow?
metaldragon01: I don't understand why fast is so much more expensive
drewsni: No reasoning? Lmao
futurist_wizard: https://fixupx.com/bryan_johnson/status/1910043079098380319
rayanquitplayin: What’s concerning?
metaldragon01: https://docs.x.ai/docs/models
metaldragon01: Grok api here
himekokatagiri: servers are busy
himekokatagiri: is firebase any good


ldj: > Do you really think though that people are so malleable as to shift their personal responsibility because an academic writes in a specific way

You just described the plot of Karl Marx followers lol
trojan09205: Okay I see your concern there

Do you really think though that people are so malleable as to shift their personal responsibility because an academic writes in a specific way
ldj: But once you start twisting the definition of "you" and "Decisions" to something less practical and customized to a certain narrative (like sapolsky starts doing I think by the end of this book and his free will book) , then you start being able to convince people of statements like "you can't make choices, you can't make decisions, this is not your fault, there is no use in trying this and that.."  And this eventually goes into quite radical chains of thought that put people ironically on a path of making bad decisions because they believe they're incapable of certain things.
trojan09205: Pretty much i align with your take

Quantum mechanics is a bit out of my league on a comprehension level but i do agree that it seems things arent as determined as formerly expected
ldj: All a question of physics ultimatley and I think most physicists are probably leaning towards non-determinism rn?
Idk, maybe super determinism is true in a super-temporal way perhaps, hard to say.
In-short I would say idk, and anyone claiming to know the answer to superdeterminism or not is waffling.
But so far there is no true deterministic mechanism known amongst the relation of quantum mechanics and the rest of the fundamental forces.

but for all practical purposes, when defining "decisions" and "you" in practical colloquial ways, such as defining "you" as your brain, and defining "decisions" as a selection between reasonable choices. Then yes it's easily provable in studies and experiments that "you" can make "decisions".
and it's even proven that you can make decisions that can directly go onto change the chemistry and structure of your brain itself, such as deciding to do certain meditation practices that can change the structure of your brain.
trojan09205: https://youtu.be/vOr9XB5rtJE?si=wJ369UuqxdkO3pEX
trojan09205: I imagine the hardcore materialist will still say that this interpretation is a brain activity etc
trojan09205: 🥹
trojan09205: My perspective on free will and determinism is that we dont have free will about what happens, but we can control our perspectives and interpretations of what happens…and that leads to discovery of the true eternal self
trojan09205: Pretty sure also that CTE is linked to agression
trojan09205: He does say that psychopaths do have different brain chemistries which i think is an interesting point
trojan09205: I see what you mean. For me when i read that sentence I understood it in the context of the previous pages where he was talking about people with (to use a loose word) “inflamed” amygdalas. Like a lot of the examples in the studies are people who have literal brain damage
ldj: Sorry last thing I was going to say which reading the page reminded me of;
He uses mix of nuanced but absolutist language to give the illusion of a nuanced level headed point of view, but allows him to craft that into an absolutist framing later on.

Good example on the very page that you just showed me:
"fear ***typically*** increases aggression ***only*** in those already prone to it"

The word "only" is redundant here, and the word "typically" gives the framing of nuanced view point while introducing a removal of nuance in the same sentence with "only"
trojan09205: <@312370916820779040> what is your personal viewpoint on how deterministic we are in this universe vis a vis our biology and the world physics
trojan09205: One little footnote mentioned a study where monkeys were turned on by looking at pictures of the crotches of female monkeys and i found that hilarious
trojan09205: Tbh i havent really seen anything that deterministic dogmatically in the first 100 pages. Ive found it mostly enlightening just to learn about how thoughts and the brain interact- and all the components of the brain
trojan09205: Okay I appreciate you going deeper into your point here thanks bro
ldj: He uses arguments framed around the correlations of specific mechanisms in neurology and biology to behaviour and experience, and then he frames this in absolutist narratives that convinces unknowledgeable readers that all of human behaviour is simply a result of these biological mechanisms of which you have no "control" over, and frames the meaning of control and experience to further fit this narrative as well.

Not exactly the same, but Unironically not too different from people talking about specific components of LLMs such as the attention heads and KV cache, and then pointing to how all the behaviour is dictated by these little things , and then concluding "you see, this is all proof as to why LLMs will never be able to do things like coherent science or coding"

So he takes the reader through his own narrativized education about neurology and biology in a sociological framing, and then when they get to his free will book the easily absorb the arguments that he makes there which sound super reasonable, but only sound reasonable because their built on a house of narrativized education that he crafted for the reader from the start.
trojan09205: I can also ask NotebookLM to do a deep dive and find unhinged content if it exists
trojan09205: I like seeing unhinged followers of cult leaders if that is what this is
ldj: Here I can try and breakdown more specifically what I mean though.
trojan09205: Now you peaked my interest lol
trojan09205: Lmao 🤣
ldj: this book is like an initiation ritual to get people to take his free will book more seriously <:berk:1046369631234949162>
ldj: actually I remember some of this book now <:e_think:871265859199459358>
trojan09205: Yeah i would like to see that
trojan09205:
ldj: Or just see the world view of some of his strong followers lol.
ldj: You would have to read his book on free will then, and then spend time reading the literature of the opposing view points.
trojan09205: Ill give an example
ldj: His writing style and humour is elegant to most people, not just you <:berk:1046369631234949162>
trojan09205: Him and I have a very similar upbringing/background coming from orthodox judaism to science so idk i guess i understand some of his writing styles and humor
trojan09205: Bro can you send me some content that you know of from him which is concerning to you
trojan09205: Tbh i had never heard of him before

This particular book Behave is mostly just about neuroscience and animal and human behaviors. It seems to be to be pretty fair and nuanced and avoiding hot takes tbh
ldj: Just as I'd expect a book about biology made by Hitler or Karl Marx to probably have some misframings and deception in it's narrative too.
ldj: I don't know for sure how much this pertains to the book you're reading, but I'd be surprised if that behaviour of sapolsky doesn't leak into his other types of writings too.
ldj: no not that book in particular, it's that framings and conclusions that he leads to reader into is often deceptive, especially with his writings in regards to free will, and the average person wouldn't realize how flawed and incorrect it is until they're woken up by writings of the other viewpoint.
But the fact that the misframing of narratives and evidence along the way is written so elegantly is what makes it especially worth avoiding.
sarik0497: Sapolsky...why does that name ring a bell...
trojan09205: But i dont remember exactly what ur concern was. It was that it suggests against free will or something
hikukomoru: Don't erase me pls


spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: And now you're supposed to be an 18 year old polish bear
hey1_1hey: I need to see this
hey1_1hey: What
spicy.lemonade: they loved it
spicy.lemonade: yes
hey1_1hey: Too perfect
hikukomoru: Did you post your black kid in a frog suit pic 🙏
fractalcomputer: It is not really my concern.
hey1_1hey: This looks printed on ngl
spicy.lemonade: really?
st.sioux: its too good it needs to look like shit to be believable
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Don't lie, that's for personal use isn't it <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
anathemaofmankind: That looks noticeably AI
spicy.lemonade: generating some fire fake furry art
joaoluz19: It's time to explode some Teslas
hikukomoru: Too bad for you since catgirls are the future
joaoluz19: Stop AI. Now.
joaoluz19: If the future involves furry I will become completely Yudkowsky
maintcrew: ur lamenting the social realities while having the power to change your dislikings
hey1_1hey: Leave my horses out of this
anathemaofmankind: Is this true <@430269783112548362>
hey1_1hey: No one would be supprised if he was
fractalcomputer: Banal is what this server has become.
hikukomoru: Aren't you into horses too
hey1_1hey: I mean I dont have any proof that he is a furry but yanno
hey1_1hey: mich mach for example
futurist_wizard: Its just Alejandro
hey1_1hey: That first sentence killed me
anathemaofmankind: Stop acting like you're not one of them <@505313122802728972>

Mr. expert of lolicon shit
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: they will never tell
spicy.lemonade: notebook doodles look realistic asf
futurist_wizard: Alejandro pfp should fit in
spicy.lemonade: i wouldnt be surprised
trent_k:
spicy.lemonade: ngl this is a furry server
spicy.lemonade: lmao
hikukomoru: They're cool with it <:doomer:1136265388473196644>


destrucules: Ttyl Fractal
destrucules: It's fine. I wasn't in the mood either 🙂
fractalcomputer: I'm sorry, that is a ludicrous argument – and something that I do not have the time to argue against right now – and I will leave the audience to conclude this fact as well.
destrucules: This is why we need to go back to autoregressive image gen
.histic: interesting
.histic: reasoning diffusion models
spicy.lemonade: The reasoning is to not mess up on stuff like this
destrucules: No, I'm actually assuming my audience won't project anything onto anything. But I'm assuming they believe humans are sentient. Like... To prove that a problem is NP-complete, you don't have to do a direct proof. All you have to do is reduce the problem to a known NP-complete problem. I'm doing something similar here - I can't prove directly, but I can outline a reduction between LLMs and humans, and humans are known to be sentient.
spicy.lemonade: It should be good enough now tbh
.histic: you don't need reasoning to play Chess well.
just need to train it on a shit ton of Chess.
hikukomoru: 🤫
.histic: it's interesting it knows that's a4
spicy.lemonade: We need reasoning
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: You're assuming that your audience is as willing to project human qualities onto language models.
destrucules: I'm assuming my audience believes something you don't believe, which is that humans are sentient
fractalcomputer: Now, that is an explanatory argument. But as we all are aware by now, you also claim not to be able to explain consciousness; we know you're perfectly fine with explaining something unknown with something unknown but still a bit more familiar than that other inexplicable thing, but that is a horrible argument if you're trying to convince people of your opinions *or* to provide evidence that whatever you say on the topic happens to be true.
destrucules: <@560984241526013954> do let me know what you think of the literature I shared
destrucules: The structure of my argument is essentially inductive. We see a lot of behaviors from LLMs that are consistent with the behaviors of sentient beings and inconsistent with the behaviors of non-sentient systems. When we look at the internal mechanisms, we find strong similarities with humans. Because of this, we can infer that the phenomenon of sentient behavior derives from a mechanism that is shared between humans and LLMs.
fractalcomputer: Then why do you claim models are conscious? Why do you project anthropomorphic qualities to them and justify these ideas by linking papers that you claim are in accord with your conclusions?
destrucules: I'm not making an explanatory argument - believe it or not, I'm well aware of the fact that I don't know the underlying mechanisms of consciousness, and I don't claim to know them or act like I do
spicy.lemonade: lol
fractalcomputer: Yes, I am mad because you are making a very strong argument based on explanatory grounds that explains nothing.
destrucules: I'm just saying I'm not in the mood to get into this
destrucules: Well, like you said, the convergence between LLMs and humans is sensitive to whether morality is real or arbitrary. We do see convergence - LLMs do exhibit the behavior in question. You're asking why, and mad at me for not having an answer. Morality does play a role in this topic even if we try to be purely objective, since we're investigating a behavior from models that directly involves moral beliefs. It's relevant. Just as it's relevant to the hypothetical Mars paper whether NASA exists or not
st.sioux:
fractalcomputer: Ah, the vaguely homosexual chess board.
spicy.lemonade: Close
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: Do I need to assume that my opponent is a moral realist in order to talk about quantum mechanics?
fractalcomputer: Why would you need to assume that in order to discuss about objective reality?
destrucules: Your lack of belief in morality is a special case
destrucules: I'm generally assuming the people I'm talking to believe in morality
fractalcomputer: Then you are aware that you are just piling "seemingly inexplicable" coincidences on top of each other; and you're asking us to draw the very same conclusions as you have drawn based on nothing but faith.
destrucules: It's like, imagine I shared a paper about organics on Mars and someone responds that they don't think NASA is real, that it's just a big conspiracy. That person is worth responding to, and that discussion is worth having, but it's a different mood than discussing the specific findings of the paper. I just don't currently feel like getting into the weeds of moral philosophy
destrucules: I'm aware
fractalcomputer: Shut up.
anathemaofmankind: Based
fractalcomputer: It is a claim you are making in favour of your argument.
destrucules: I'm not opposed to debating it, just not in the mood rn


bob082957: Im wasn’t typing it. It was suggested from lm model im iPhone keyboard
i_like_over_9000_turtles: Jesus Christ...
joaoluz19: My criticism is precisely that there is very little research dedicated to, for example, measuring the nerve impulses of the 86 billion neurons, not just one part
hikukomoru: Didn't happen
And if it did the Falun Gong deserved it
joaoluz19: To do this, we first need to scale a series of intracellular neurophysiological recordings in the individual over time.
_3sphere: If only those existed
joaoluz19: Ideally this should be answered with computational models of qualia.
okbut: I'll read it <:PeepoHappy:402867832175460363>
_3sphere: Beta-uploading?
okbut: Preferentially one without surgery etc
okbut: Idk much about the field, but aside from ethics, I wonder if there are cost-effective proposals for gathering mind data yet
_3sphere: Some shitposter somewhere def did
st.sioux: we might be the first
st.sioux: i don't think anyone has ever typed grand llama before
_3sphere: you know, the common argument that the system needs to have suffering as a reference to be happy relative to
bob082957: I think the keyboard somehow sometimes leaks other people typing some quantum entanglement or some shit
_3sphere: It's a mess because it's a philosophical problem, not a technical one
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-emperor-emperors-new-groove-groove-react-gif-17845300621535099014
joaoluz19: If this were to happen, it would be a design problem. If we are talking about mind-uploading, I think it is perfectly possible to freely map and manipulate internal states with cost functions extracted from neural circuits.

Now, in the biological body, it is all about controlling processes at different scales, histological/cellular/subcellular and perhaps beyond. Nanorobots could probably be a solution. Since the literature on this is scarce, we could think of new architectures for neurophysiological stimulation.

But I think the focus should be solely on mind-uploading.
st.sioux: a llama that is of grand stature and authority
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://tenor.com/view/llama-sorry-for-being-so-fabulous-sassy-animals-gif-11170151
_3sphere: over 500B parameters :3
bob082957: I was typing on iPhone and was seeing this what’s grand llama ?
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
okbut: Unreal. One chat I'm helping someone in has a 1-hour timer so they gotta wait
sarik0497: It doesn’t work if you edit it
sarik0497: Nope.
okbut: Did this ping you? <@806143139894525962>
okbut: Fuck
_3sphere: it's orange though
_3sphere: unsure, I tabbed back here without looking
sarik0497: So…are we expecting something cool this year besides GPT-5 and the new Anthrotopic model, or is Squid Game S3 the only thing worth noting for 2025?
okbut: Someone test it on me he's gawn
okbut: Unrelated but I'm wondering if adding a mention to an edit works
okbut: Did this ping you? <@1190031399080710195>
_3sphere: the worry is that a brain modified this way wouldn't actually feel good anymore
_3sphere: If that works, sure
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/brasil-mentioned-brasil-mentioned-brahma-anime-gif-15357834161136461942
joaoluz19: Lock in Bro
joaoluz19: Ah, it's Brazilian Portuguese.


hikukomoru: Extremely rare Futurist Retardo W
hey1_1hey: You're prob just gonna say I am a women
hey1_1hey: Based futureist hill take
hikukomoru: Dw I already figured it out for you
.wolfnacht: could be a bad host, works fine on openrouter
hey1_1hey: Then its true AGI
futurist_wizard: Delete tiktok
hey1_1hey: I am waiting for next gen models to solve my gender for me
.histic: yeah <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
it's a yapper, even far more than 2.5 pro.
hikukomoru: We need a Llama 4 saxems
futurist_wizard: You wish
st.sioux: idk im scared of openrouter, i asked sonnet 3.7 one question yesterday and it cost $3 dollars
.wolfnacht: that one writes alot, i just said "hi" and it wrote a 2000 token
ailoveyoom: Zit
_cloudost: I don't use TikTok much these days thankfully, only some hours a week

And I agree that everyone there has an attention span of an ant

Everyone on TikTok now misses Biden and wish he were back, but I remember for years/before Trump so many people on TikTok making fun of Biden, leftists and rightists wishing he was gone, it's such a r-word app
ailoveyoom: Excocted 😏👀<:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Xit/Xer
hikukomoru: Sex
.histic: llama 4 maverick is on lmsys for free in direct chat.
it has that autistic creativity.
futurist_wizard: Can llama 4 do anything cool
hikukomoru: xim/xer
ailoveyoom: Openrouter?
hey1_1hey: Im reporting you to the DEI society and I will have you publicly excocted (Pre-Elon Twitter)
.histic: damn, LLama 4 is the most creative & insightful model i've ever tried.
st.sioux: pronouns x/xe
hikukomoru: Sorry her*
hikukomoru: That would make him based
st.sioux: lmao
futurist_wizard: Zon may be a ccp spy sent to disrupt the west
hey1_1hey: Sorry Zon I didnt mean it 🙏
hey1_1hey: He went offile 😭
hikukomoru: Resident lolcow
.wolfnacht: yikes
.wolfnacht: eyylon pfp
futurist_wizard: And trump
futurist_wizard: Zon is gay4elon
st.sioux: zon chao the msuk corn gobbler
hey1_1hey: <@750270494615404544>
.wolfnacht: but who is zon ?
st.sioux: like make it have waifu stickers all over and a tiktok brainrot corner if you wanted to


maintcrew: claudes concise mode just doesnt hit it
maintcrew: the concise mode is best in class
spicy.lemonade: using grok in april 2025💔
.wolfnacht: leave grok, it's dumb as shit since last week.
okbut: Damn it's still going
okbut: Another Grok banger
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: than specialized
spicy.lemonade: deepmind world model performs better
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: Lmao
trent_k:
zoermena: Yes, not specific, bad prompting leads to bad images.
.histic: oh, cloudo's prompt was, "Create 9 frames in one image of a looping cyclist animation"
zoermena: A detailed image of 9 frames of a rabbit cyclist in a cinematic style, he's red helmet with yellow spikes and he is riding in the alps, he moves a little more in each frame. in Digital Art Oil Painting Style.
.histic: wait, what prompt?
zoermena: I'm using Sora
.histic: and disable it.
.histic: remove ChatGPT's memory.
zoermena:
zoermena: Why are your sora images so ass? <@937125337748348999> not meaning to be rude but look
.histic: also, gemini doesn't seem that good too.
.histic: also, yes, i'm sure it isn't DALLE lol
joaoluz19: Non-ironically missing Sama's blog posts https://ia.samaltman.com/
spicy.lemonade: Not usual quality of 4o
spicy.lemonade: Why do the lines look so weird
.histic: <@590577270926868480> yeah fix the prompt
zoermena: I could try I suspect the prompt could be optimized.
_cloudost: Gemini:
_cloudost: Does Sora really have the native IMG generator
_cloudost:
_cloudost: You sure this isn't DallE
_cloudost:
.histic: somewhat coherent ig
.histic: pretty mid outputs
.histic: sora.com allows me to generate 4 outputs simultaneously with 4o img gen pretty quickly.
here's my outputs:
_cloudost: Yeah
.histic: you want this with 4o, right?
ldj: Anyone can copy the idea technically I think, as long as its not patented ig? <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
maintcrew: uhh patents?


anathemaofmankind: Dude
spicy.lemonade: lolll
trent_k: This is what I deserve for getting paypig tier again. I asked for this. I'm mad and it's nobody's fault but my own
trent_k: Hahahahaha
spicy.lemonade: rip artists
spicy.lemonade: total pro-AI win
spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mickey-mouse-absolute-cinema-meme-disney-gif-9794395175278437605
spicy.lemonade:
avizuradnb: That tiger looks like it's ready to kill soms AI researchers
spicy.lemonade: gonna post
spicy.lemonade: this is good enough
spicy.lemonade: actually
trent_k: I gotta go sign back up for paypig tier
trent_k: Fuck it
trent_k: Dude I love 4o image gen so much
avizuradnb: Oh no wait this is perfect
trent_k: Lmfao
trent_k: Tell it to put the Azov logo on his armband
spicy.lemonade: need to fix
spicy.lemonade: fuck it messed up the helmet
destrucules: Damn Google got zero votes
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: "this is my Tony the Tiger OC. He's fighting in Mariupol with the Azov Batallion here"
avizuradnb: Eh, would go for the last one tbh
gamerbath: <@471334973379706900> what is the usage limit for image gen?
st.sioux: furries love cringe bro
spicy.lemonade: thats the idea
alejandrozarzuelo: it looks cringe
alejandrozarzuelo: noooo
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: Chemical weapons for children by day, uwu owo I walk into ur wolf den ^_^ by night
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: it supporter
spicy.lemonade: this might be the one
memlaswaif: most furries r chemical engineers
trent_k: Come to think of it, are *any* of the regulars here furries? Like actually furries, not just cracking jokes
trent_k: If that were true we'd have a lot more furries here
alejandrozarzuelo: dudes you be shitting on furries but they are like 50% of all IT supporters
anathemaofmankind: Just remove the lines bruh
spicy.lemonade:


fractalcomputer: This is retarded.
spicy.lemonade: im feeling it ilya
spicy.lemonade: jesus
spicy.lemonade: that science infographic
spicy.lemonade: im in awe
spicy.lemonade: wtf bro
fractalcomputer: I love how different parts of the brain.
drewsni: ill have to see what it can do if it just reads the paper, i asked for a summary and then generated the image
spicy.lemonade: it did the first half the methodology
spicy.lemonade: it missed the AI part
spicy.lemonade: of the research
spicy.lemonade: but it missed half
drewsni: how close is it to the paper?
spicy.lemonade: this is going to be amazing for science for mass
spicy.lemonade: omg
spicy.lemonade: perfect
spicy.lemonade: thats
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade: the fuck
clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/Josikinz/status/1905441760609964396#m
drewsni:
drewsni: theres no reason why its impressive but it just is to me
drewsni: its interesting how simplistic the model can go
spicy.lemonade: lol
drewsni: i like it lol
drewsni: here was 4o's simplification of the paper
spicy.lemonade: simpler version
spicy.lemonade: ^
spicy.lemonade: https://research.google/blog/deciphering-language-processing-in-the-human-brain-through-llm-representations/
drewsni: ty
spicy.lemonade: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-025-02105-9
drewsni: can you link the paper
spicy.lemonade: for language almost one to one
spicy.lemonade: turns out
spicy.lemonade: llms work like brain
spicy.lemonade: "but they arent reasoning"
drewsni: I don’t know what I’m looking at and also don’t know where I’d start
spicy.lemonade: deepmind paper
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: this is insane


wellmeaningalien: claude 3.7 sonnet
wellmeaningalien: GOAT 3.7 SONNET
wellmeaningalien: she's just like you and me
but she's homeless, she's homeless
as she stands there singing for money
st.sioux: lol steam is going to be full of crappy mobile-pay2win-quality games
gamerbath: I think the blue is supposed to be water but oh well
gamerbath: it did everything I asked for
gamerbath: i'm impressed
_3sphere: At this rate my job prospects really are done for 💀
wellmeaningalien: k show
wellmeaningalien: something taken very for granted rn lmao
wellmeaningalien: you know just the fact that we have such capable software engineers available at the touch of a finger
gamerbath: I think it cooked
wellmeaningalien: hm?
gamerbath: OOOOH
wellmeaningalien: its really fucking great for professional projects
sarik0497: Tbf, it's not really meant for silly tasks yet.
gamerbath: oh my gosh I can see the end and it's not my bank account!!!
wellmeaningalien: claude 3.7 sonnet regular seems to come up with its own great if not sometimes even better implementations but i cant test that rn
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-punk-3700-nbc-alpha-new-bitcoin-city-gif-15417016218582101158
st.sioux: but its too expensive
st.sioux: yea 3.7 is wild
gamerbath: 20k tokens in the generation now <a:ablobgrin:901223418182140014>
wellmeaningalien: as usual
oooooooooog: do you mean javascript...???
wellmeaningalien: goat 3.7 sonnet
gamerbath: like really fucking cooking
wellmeaningalien: yeah?
gamerbath: yea it's cooking
gamerbath: claude 3.7 sonnet is uh.....
oooooooooog: ur name is the same as the king of the sunken sea
gamerbath: very simple
gamerbath: this was 220 lines of .html
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: sam altman isnt gonna tell u about it
wellmeaningalien: yea it works™©®
sarik0497: ...How did you know that they have just installed a belly button on the newest model? <:eyes_sus:606563938838249482>
gamerbath: GPT-4.5 not that bad
wellmeaningalien: and also just the fact it scrapes a whole fucking lot of websites and probably knows the ins and out of html and js like its own belly button
st.sioux: like "learn to code! make minecrat in 2 hours!"
st.sioux: lol


alejandrozarzuelo: force of habit
drewsni: Alejandro we should start an AI economics company
ldj: btw global gdp is a misnomer in this case, because GDP means Gross **domestic** product, as-in, within 1 country.
What they're talking about is Gross World Product, which is GWP
alejandrozarzuelo: the Year we get AGI
hey1_1hey: Ah ty, that clears it up
alejandrozarzuelo: gdp is how much value is added, it doesnt require producers
hey1_1hey: Anyone mind being batman and riddling me this. If AI is going to take all the jobs how is gdp going to increase? Or am I misunderstanding how that works. Is it amount of good produced over the year or smth?
ldj: yea but still funny imo
alejandrozarzuelo: i am thinking 10% around the late 2030s
alejandrozarzuelo: just because I think 10% doesnt mean I think 10% will happen before 2030
ldj: lol
drewsni: What year will we start to go beyond even 5%?
alejandrozarzuelo: around 10%
ldj: ^
ldj: yep
alejandrozarzuelo: i said thats what Epoch AI said
ldj: albeit you didn't say you endorsed it
ldj: You just mentioned 50% growth less than 5 minutes ago
alejandrozarzuelo: 30%!!!
alejandrozarzuelo: it still simply isnt
drewsni: What’s your prediction on what it will actually be
ldj:
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: they are expecting 50% growth sustained for over a decade
drewsni: Like I’ve said before, we are gonna look so fucking dumb if gdp doesn’t even average 10% growth
alejandrozarzuelo: aint this crazy
ldj: no not yet
alejandrozarzuelo: global gdp will multiply by 100 by 2040
alejandrozarzuelo: that said
alejandrozarzuelo: have yall seen the Epoch AI post
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
wellmeaningalien: u'd be stupid not to put yes
zoermena: High execs too
zoermena: CEOs can never be trusted
sarik0497: I do would like to add that I assumed his question was more of a general one rather than specficially about just him.

I believe San enough that even if he were to get a job at OA, Anthro, or Nvidia, he’d stay truthful to us, because as he said himself, the profit to be gained from such a small server is negliable.

But people like Sam, Dario, Kurzweil, and Huang is a different thing in my eyes, as they have real interest in seeing their respective companies thrive.
ldj: Tbh someone can make the argument that I might develop an emotional attachment towards wanting to speak highly towards Nvidia, and start treating it as part of my identity that I have to defend, but hopefully people trust that I wouldn’t be too majorly susceptible to that.
sarik0497: If such a scenario were to happen, I’d definitely start to question San’s predictions/theories as I do with someone like Sam Altman in that they’d have a monetary goal in spreading positive information about their desired product/company.

It’s also why I’m a sceptic on people like Kurzeweil. While his 2029 predictions seems pretty fair these days, I do remember back in the early 2020s thinking that it was more about him not wanting to die than actual scientific knowledge.
ldj: <:reallymad:972141073260482570>
ldj: Chill I told you to not leak
hey1_1hey: I should go post that in predictions <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>


hikukomoru: Tumblr slop cartoon
joaoluz19: The idea is not to try to figure out what consciousness is, but rather to record and stimulate "parts" of it.
sarik0497: I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't know what the "Pantheon" is, as I have seen it be reference here multiple times 💀
bob082957: T is the Steve Jobs from Pantheon
okbut: He wants to uphold relationships ofc but I think his goal is to keep USA ahead on the tech race
wellmeaningalien: because you could have some idea of it but you can never 100% verify it in practice
joaoluz19: I didn't know these categories, interesting
wellmeaningalien: nobody can be sure what consciousness is and whether it would persist in such a situation
wellmeaningalien: nobody fucking knows
wellmeaningalien: the thing is
okbut: Would never believe it
st.sioux: *trump donates OpenAI to china*
sarik0497: Tell him that Canada is leading it
sarik0497: He's good friends with China now, though.
okbut: I don't think he cares at all about AI lmao
okbut: Tell him China is leading it
sarik0497: Someone tell Trump that Mind-Uploading is within reach, and watch him advance the research a hundred fold.
_3sphere: It's more like on balance neutral, there might have to be some micro-fluctuations above and below zero
sarik0497: Honestly, I feel like identity is a combination of how our brain is built, our environment, and experiences.
joaoluz19: Oh yes, makes sense.
darkstar0818: Its only a problem if you assume the mind uploading procedure is sufficient to replicate a-consciousness and that this demands that p-consciousness is likewise transferred.
okbut: I've always thought this, that to have any thoughts at all = some form of bias, so neutrality = being braindead
inferno0879: maybe you have just not experienced it
joaoluz19: In fact, I consider the problem of identity to be absurdly more difficult than that of consciousness, whose solution, as I said, may simply be to scale brain-machine interfaces across multiple sensory modalities (hearing, vision, etc.) and other well-established processes such as rewards and emotions.
_3sphere: then it's not neutral
inferno0879: there is definitely worse than feeling neutral, but true neutrality is quite bad in itself
bob082957: That we need copy of trump as ai 😳
sarik0497: Precisely, and that's why I hope we might see something like that soon.
st.sioux: Yeah if ASI is possible it would solve everything, but in case it isn't we could just figure it out ourselves if we have the capability of figuring out mind uploading
sarik0497: That's really interesting <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

It does also raise the point as no one really knows where the "limit" to replacing stuff is before we lose "us". 7 years for a full replacement is what we have right now, and that works fine. But who's to say it has to take that long?
joaoluz19: I mean ASI would find ways to automate everything, including mind uploading itself, so it makes sense to focus more on AI
okbut: Why not consider the computers as the "alien brain"
sarik0497: The hard part for us is that there are no other race to compare to.

If the Neanderthals had evolve along with us, we could at least compare ourselves to them in some form, but we are all alone, so unless the Aliens come knocking, we have to try by comparing to animals.
_3sphere: Can't relate
inferno0879: i would rather be sad for the rest of my life
_3sphere: it'd be like a neutral zoned out state
okbut: Still waiting on an efficient energy transfer from that Dyson sphere
joaoluz19: Now the problem is that gradual uploading (theseus ship) may be metaphysically equivalent to "instant" copying in terms of preserving identity.
_3sphere: No feeling means no misery
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736


jonvi_1: And what is a Luddite
hikukomoru: I'm a vibes-based creature
You wouldn't get it
singularityenjoyer: She says things like "not anytime soon"
jonvi_1: lol
jonvi_1: ?
hikukomoru: She gives me luddite vibes tbh
hey1_1hey: Im not even smart enough to even argue about that <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: There just numbers at this point
hey1_1hey: Whos even counting anymore? 50% 100%? 200%?
retrerox: no way....
retrerox: Are you telling me that youtubers make videos just to catch quick views without caring to provide accurate information?
jonvi_1: yes, but more like, consciousness is a process in the brain and not something attached to a soul
hey1_1hey: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/trump-tariffs-who-will-be-hit-hardest-by-china-us-trade-war-as-president-threatens-104-levy/ar-AA1Cli4P

Unrelated but-
hey1_1hey: Well there we go then. Thats all I need to hear. Sabine is back in my somewhat based books
jonvi_1: My point was that she doesn't believe there's anything special about human consciousness or intelligence, so she wouldn't be opposed to the possibility to engineer an intelligence
hey1_1hey: So gravity exists because its a fundemental property and not something magical
jonvi_1: Think a non-religious physicist
jonvi_1: it's just that you don't attribute phenomena in our universe to something spiritual
jonvi_1: So like
jonvi_1: uhm no
hey1_1hey: Oh so its like we are conciouse because God made us conscious and we aren't God so therefore we can't make things that are conscious
jonvi_1: Well it's just not attributing phenomena in the world to spiritual stuff or something like that yeah
jonvi_1: The majority of people are religious, believe in things beyond the material, may thus attribute spiritual stuff to consciousness, and thus struggle more with the idea of artificial intelligence
hey1_1hey: So like anti-faith/spiritulaism? Nothing outside of it like paranormal whatchamacallits
jonvi_1: Well it's saying that all there is is the material world
hey1_1hey: So the brain is conciouse because it is made out of ... brain stuff
hey1_1hey: So the materialism you're on about is basically saying that everything in the universe happnes because of whats its made out of
jonvi_1: yup
hey1_1hey: We were on about differnt kinds of materialism lmao
jonvi_1: Yeah hah
hey1_1hey: Ohhhhh
jonvi_1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
hey1_1hey: As in, wanting to own luxeries like expensive cars, expensive phone, designer clothes etc etc
jonvi_1: What do you mean by materialistic
jonvi_1: ?
hey1_1hey: Reilgiouse people can still be materialistic
jonvi_1: Most people in the world are religious hah
jonvi_1: Most people don't though?
jonvi_1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfbRHhOCgzs
hey1_1hey: True, granted most people do so its only fiar


theaiguy69420_89814: Avg human score is 60%
wellmeaningalien: how is the model that is quite literally better at everything scoring lower than o3 mini
wellmeaningalien: yeah thats weird
spicy.lemonade: led by demis after all
spicy.lemonade: i guess deepmind is the most trustworthy
spicy.lemonade: lol
metaldragon01: They didn't train on the training set I bet
spicy.lemonade: we need better in context learning
spicy.lemonade: this isnt good
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: google really done cooked
wellmeaningalien: i wonder what score the model to get 80% on simple bench will get on arc agi 2
wellmeaningalien: unless its a new incredible revolution
wellmeaningalien: does it
gamerbath: all of them will be <:prayge:981798930113249300>
joaoluz19: Join the glorious evolution
spicy.lemonade: simple bench may be saturated by eoy
spicy.lemonade: not bad
spicy.lemonade: 5% jump
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: ah
gamerbath: with gemini models in the API they have a generous free tier with the only catch being they can train on your data. There's a paid version where they don't train on your data, but you have to pay money to use it. gemini 2.5 pro is currently only on the free version with no option to pay for it, so we don't know yet
spicy.lemonade: when it bills you?
spicy.lemonade: wouldnt they tell you on api?
gamerbath: but currently it's free lol, with 5 requests per minute
gamerbath: we don't know what the pricing of the model is yet
spicy.lemonade: that cheap?
spicy.lemonade: N/A cost?
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: you prepare yourself to launch the moment someone else does
alejandrozarzuelo: so
alejandrozarzuelo: breaking the surface tension is hard
alejandrozarzuelo: this is the same thing birds and cyclists do
alejandrozarzuelo: they are all just trying to ride the wave
spicy.lemonade: he has something to back up
spicy.lemonade: hes droping soon though
ailoveyoom: It reads to me like he's being salty lol
ailoveyoom: I'd love to be wrong but I don't really believe him after that
ailoveyoom: Wasn't he shittalking OAI yesterday?
spicy.lemonade: im noticing this too


destrucules: Mind if we defer the discussion on moral realism vs relativism for later? I feel like it's... More of a separate topic, even though I recognize the connections
fractalcomputer: I feel no morals. I have no sense of guilt or ethical responsibility. I know certain people who find the practice of eating meat utterly abominable; and you are indeed implying not only that the latter and the model are in consensus—by what means remains to be seen—but that there really is some reality to their claims that I am incapable of perceiving for some inane reason.
destrucules: Check the actual links
destrucules: Three of the papers did not embed btw
spicy.lemonade: LETSSS GOOO
destrucules: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-72071-1
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.11760
https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.11111
https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.11111
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.18023
https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.09582
https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.01405
https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.07590
spacetimetsunami: It’s great
spacetimetsunami: Oh we do
spicy.lemonade: Or I’m gonna storm OpenAI hq
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: omg
spicy.lemonade: Better have native image
spicy.lemonade: Woke up
spicy.lemonade: Slept for 7 hours
oooooooooog: i just finished my chicken nuggets guys, see you tommorow ❤
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/sigmamale-grindset-thanos-gif-23963043
anathemaofmankind: Bro needs to touch grass
oooooooooog: respect the grind
oooooooooog: he's on the grind regardless
oooooooooog: oh nevermind
destrucules: Hang on I'm putting papers together
oooooooooog: he's typing not resigning
oooooooooog: ah, ||well, pick your favorite???|| probably emotions or sensations...??
fractalcomputer: That is an entirely separate from the discussion of why they just happen to agree with the fact that humans should treat them as moral patients; what would moral treatment even mean, since humans have no consensus on what that means?
destrucules: Okay, but when you say "how it resembles human consciousness" what aspects of conscious experience are you interested in? Emotions? Sensations? Psychology? Existentialism? What aspect of consciousness are you most interested in?
oooooooooog: i can imagine the simplest sense that the outputs are similar is that they produce coherent words
st.sioux: how can you say they are similar when we don't know what "consciousness" even is
anathemaofmankind: In what way is it similar?
destrucules: I'm pointing out that it's not only okay but necessary to talk about psychic phenomena without having a complete description of how the brain works *yet*
oooooooooog: i mean, we don't observe anything but the outputs, consciousness can't be observed
fractalcomputer: The problem with papers is that anyone can draw practically any conclusions from their contents.
destrucules: We observe that it's similar. We don't know *why*. We observe that mass curves spacetime. We don't know *why*
oooooooooog: err... infinity, but i'm most interested in how it resembles human consciousness
ldj: Yea, like a countach actually though
fractalcomputer: I am quite proud of you for trying to find a contradiction in my argumentation; but unfortunately you're committing a practical contradiction by introducing this as your argument.
destrucules: Oh. Okay, to narrow it down, how many papers am I allowed to send you, and what specific aspects are you most curious about?
oooooooooog: you said that it's similar, but can't explain how. the "how" is the same as the "why." at least in this case, that's why it's circular
destrucules: How is that circular reasoning?
clevermoniker: looks like a scam
st.sioux: its ugly as fuck, kinda looks like a lambo tho??


theaiguy69420_89814: https://youtu.be/a9YrdEXOjiA?si=Hg9ivmTEdZ3fp6qg
clevermoniker: really cool joke coming out tomorrow
.histic: could also just be this
https://x.com/wgussml/status/1904734776608579971
futurist_wizard: Imagine you guys actually fool for an april fools
.histic:
futurist_wizard: 0 coming tomorrow
spicy.lemonade: though something looks to be coming tmr
spicy.lemonade: think he just jokes alot
spicy.lemonade: and ak
spicy.lemonade: from deepmind
spicy.lemonade: ted xiao aswell
clevermoniker: a big joke is coming tomorrow
spicy.lemonade: logal follows
spicy.lemonade: still a researcher
spicy.lemonade: eh
.histic: look at his history
spicy.lemonade: how come
.histic: i see him in my tl a lot.
he's a troll.
clevermoniker: tomorrow there will be a lot of april's fool announcements...
spicy.lemonade: prev openAI researcher
spicy.lemonade: not grifter
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: you probably got to go to sleep soon
zoermena: To get back to the routine
oooooooooog: 7 trillion
spicy.lemonade: openAI deserves a trillion
.histic: yeah, ik he's a grifter.
just funny to see
clevermoniker: please don't post these types of people...
.histic: what plan
.histic: https://x.com/imjustnewatai/status/1906839799916585096
zoermena: Ok I have set a plan for tomorrow
.histic: i now know where all the fat goes to
hikukomoru: Literal skeleton
hikukomoru: Nah
he's 6'2 and 56 kgs
I am still heavier than him somehow
hey1_1hey: Hope you wake up depressed tommrow <:ghosthug:1187466455948730378>
.histic:
hikukomoru: Hope you shit the bed 🫶
hey1_1hey: Anyway, me go bed, me need sleep, me do math, me can't do math if no sleep
.histic: do you look like xqc?
hey1_1hey: You are aswell, don't lie


theaiguy69420_89814: I just watched an episode of House and I cried
hikukomoru: This is the polycule server
hikukomoru: No
hey1_1hey: Just be incredibly out of pocket. What are they gonna do?
theaiguy69420_89814: Can we talk about AI?
hikukomoru: You seem like a cute little patootie
hey1_1hey: I just don't get bullied anymore because its really easy not to
hikukomoru: You don't give me bully vibes
.wolfnacht: FATSHAME HIM
inferno0879: unfortunate
memlaswaif: He's still fat tho
memlaswaif: I remember I used to bully a guy for being short and fat back in like 6th grade and he grew up to be a foot and half taller than me
hikukomoru: Bitch
theaiguy69420_89814: You guys are weird
hey1_1hey: We have free snacks tho
theaiguy69420_89814: No thanka
hikukomoru: Join our gay/bi polycule
hey1_1hey: I weigh 10kg less than you
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160
hikukomoru: I weigh like 10kg more than you
hey1_1hey: Indeed, doesn't mean I can't hit someone
theaiguy69420_89814: Gay
hikukomoru: It's this thing
futurist_wizard: Aint you 50kg
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/merkat-hogle-zoo-gif-11552753335479033171
hey1_1hey: I just found a corolation. Most of the bullies I have seen or have been buillided by have been clossoted gay men
hey1_1hey: I wouldn't mind being called a meerkat
hey1_1hey: I'd say thats a good thing
hikukomoru: I've been called a meerkat before
I don't know if that's good or bad
hey1_1hey: Anyway its fine because I beat that guys ass
hey1_1hey: Me neither but I like spreading misinformation on the internet
hikukomoru: I don't remember somethng like that
hey1_1hey: I mean I wouldn't be supprised at least
hey1_1hey: You?
hikukomoru: That sounds awful
Who would ever call you that
hey1_1hey: Tis' was from random bully (4'11 weird goblin mf)
hey1_1hey: I just hate gay people
hikukomoru: Who is "you people" you homophobic bitch
zoermena: Same but only by my mom, outside of my family hobbit is the worst I’ve been called.
hey1_1hey: I dont know any fem lesbians


literallyvarane: Wow these bench marks are better than I expected ngl. Meta actually cooked?
hikukomoru: I’m here 🤚
futurist_wizard: Can't be contained by a bunch of safetycucks
spicy.lemonade: deepseek hasnt dropped
spicy.lemonade: ?
futurist_wizard: Ai is gonna be like the internet
.wolfnacht: these tweets get picked up and the repo would get updated by meta with more lobotomized weights
_cloudost: where are the deepseek fanboys in this server i wanna see them cry as the US is leading the AI race
hikukomoru: I’m always correct <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.wolfnacht: L4 maverick 😋
hey1_1hey: How come? You a safetycell or do you just not like pliny
futurist_wizard: The price is the most significant factor
st.sioux: only maverick and scout
.wolfnacht: ppl should stop posting shits like these. even if they are doing it
st.sioux: not yet on openrouter
hey1_1hey: Correct
liberatedpotato: behemoth isn't available for testing yet right?
hey1_1hey: https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1908607836730372561 Its not even out yet bro 😭
.wolfnacht: wait, fireworks added...niceee
futurist_wizard: Somalia will develop agi first
st.sioux: its cheap
st.sioux:
.wolfnacht: a true believer
.wolfnacht: L4 is available on openrouter via togetherAI but it's not for free : (
liberatedpotato: only like 3TB of vram needed to run it
liberatedpotato: This behemoth model seems crazy good
.wolfnacht: scout and maverick's only released
st.sioux: are u mark cuckerberhg
liberatedpotato: literally lol
hikukomoru: I told you guys Llama 4 was gonna be huge
.wolfnacht: that one is still in oven
liberatedpotato: wait did meta just release a 2 trillion parameters model
.wolfnacht: all of a sudden 80% of localillama userbase is obsolete.
hey1_1hey: Not yet
.histic: did u die?
literallyvarane: But this would be the first non-TPU model with that much context from a major lab, so that’s a W imo
.wolfnacht: 37
literallyvarane: I’d just prefer seeing a high-end model with that context, not low-end.
3ds0662: the reasoning model is still in training which is insane
literallyvarane: I’d love to see benching on this 10m context. I feel like there are surely asterisk on it? Still, if it’s a direct upgrade to 2.0 flashlite that’s a W.


_3sphere: AI dungeon was *ancient* huh
st.sioux: sometimes this channel devolves into gooning hell
maintcrew: FractalComputer
zoermena: The name is in the image
ailoveyoom: No OG Claude was more like hot psycho fem villain
wellmeaningalien: it was a sneak peek into the rabbitholes and gooning this would send people down to
_cloudost: i've seen this member in this server before but cant recall their name
wellmeaningalien: yeah bro that was fuckign impressive then
maintcrew: can someone make this but sama and google either logan or sundar idk
ailoveyoom: AI dungeon indulged my murder hobo side
zoermena:
.histic: cursed
wellmeaningalien: gpt 3 + ai dungeon 🥺
wellmeaningalien: on the topic of elon musk
maintcrew: refuse to believe this og claude was like u were being longhoused by a live laugh love millenial girl who unironically posts memes like "made contact with uber eats driver and had to lie in the tub for 2 hours due to anxiety"
st.sioux:
ailoveyoom: Bro took boner too literally
wellmeaningalien: 🤯
wellmeaningalien: SUPER HARD KARATE SKELETON MASTER
spicy.lemonade: W
ailoveyoom: My brain was oneshotted by Claude 1 back in the day 🥺
wellmeaningalien: plus gemini has the really fucking good context window
wellmeaningalien: bro when the public starts interacting with gemini 2.5 pro level shit
maintcrew: the 1T models will hit them like crack
wellmeaningalien: wise words fractal
_3sphere: There was a tweet that maybe this will cause so much selection pressure that gooning evolves away
wellmeaningalien: THEY STILL LOVE THAT SHIT
.histic:
wellmeaningalien: YEP BUT PEOPLE DONT CARE
fractalcomputer: Yeah, because I'll have thrown them all off a cliff.
ailoveyoom: Cok.ai
maintcrew: is character ai an actual 7b brainlet <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ailoveyoom: Should be namee cooked.ai
wellmeaningalien: end of the human race
wellmeaningalien: once the sexbots arrive
wellmeaningalien: bro people are getting off to voice mode and fucking char.ai
ailoveyoom: Sydney 🥺
maintcrew: sorry, ts one 💔
maintcrew: this one
maintcrew: https://tenor.com/view/samsung-android-gif-26073767


shirethedreamer: damn v* saturated
hey1_1hey: They fucked up
neon01197: "(o4-mini-high one-shotted this)"
neon01197: https://fixupx.com/i/status/1912551929281929226
hey1_1hey: damn
gamerbath: multimodal benchmarks
hey1_1hey:
futurist_wizard: gun!!
futurist_wizard: P90 MENTIONED
hikukomoru: No that's Gemini
hey1_1hey: Nah tahts deepseek
professorheaven: than any other model
hikukomoru: Smut
professorheaven: more world knowledge
futurist_wizard: blunder
hey1_1hey: What about 2.5 <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
futurist_wizard: what was the point in gpt 4.5
spicy.lemonade: claude 3.7 had 63%
spicy.lemonade: openAI has sota swe bench
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016
st.sioux: i feel stupid i dont understand what it is doing
gamerbath: I think its just the benchmark difficulty increasing very steeply. Yo can have a benchmark with 95 questions like 2+2, and then the last 5 can be unsolved math problems. All AI models would score 95% on this benchmark, and it would look like progress has stagnated
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: than 3.7
spicy.lemonade: its 10% more
spicy.lemonade: wait
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/mid-its-mid-ugly-nah-gif-19839131
futurist_wizard: its over
drewsni: btw just want everyone to realize that o1 preview released like september, o3 mini release jan
spicy.lemonade: damn they cant seem to get past 70 on swe bench
drewsni: is aider just not good for oai? Seems to never be able to get higher scores
hey1_1hey: yipiee
hey1_1hey: Swe bench
.0xunkn0wn: swe lancer is crazy
.0xunkn0wn: woah
gamerbath:
ldj: The y-axis is exponential here btw.
O3 is actually double of Claude-3.7-sonnet here
hey1_1hey: I saw what you deleated
drewsni: whens the last time youve seen pricing of "$4.4" at a grocery?


trent_k: now ur talking about a whole separate gore image and u still dont have like a screenshot or something tho?
spacetimetsunami: No, you fucking didnt
spacetimetsunami: or id assume
.histic: oh wow, i didn't know console.anthropic.com exists.
i bought $5 credits.
spacetimetsunami: like the kind of super nsfw gore you find on deep web
spacetimetsunami: pretty impressed that fractal hasnt said anything abt it
trent_k: if you use it a lot you're also better off using api, since your limit is just your wallet
spacetimetsunami: very. her face was torn off, limbs gone, etc
.histic: i usually use 3.7 for story-telling & insights.
.histic: maybe with base 3.7, but with thinking i bet the API will chug all of your money.
if i used 3.7 base i think my average prompt is like ~400 words and output is like 1,100 words which is like ~2,000 - 2,500 tokens.
which means i could probably generate hundreds of outputs and it'd be like $10 bucks. <:idk:1136264106937171999>
anathemaofmankind: How bad was it
st.sioux: i dont use it anymore i use o3 mini it just became too annoying
st.sioux: i did hit the limits pretty often but i do use it a lot, lots of code all day
brain4brain: Both of which will be great
brain4brain: This will great for videogame generation, there is two possible axis of scaling from this, either infinite game world map or real world architecture
st.sioux: if you dont use it a lot you're better off just using the api
spicy.lemonade: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ahsenkhaliq_syncity-training-free-generation-of-3d-worlds-activity-7308905683406471168-bjbi?utm_medium=ios_app&rcm=ACoAADl9N7oBT2AOEYP-NcFdlL3Pz0XYtsht45Q&utm_source=social_share_video_v2&utm_campaign=copy_link
.histic: anyone has Claude premium, are the rate limits bad? is it worth buying?
spicy.lemonade: UI
spicy.lemonade: Textures
spicy.lemonade: And animations
spicy.lemonade: So can make the sprites
spicy.lemonade: For a 2d game
spicy.lemonade: Bro vibe coding is even more insane now with native image
brain4brain: Oh wow
brain4brain: Yes
oooooooooog: he already covered YT colinization
brain4brain: Next week he might cover the YouTube colonization or the great meme dihpression
oooooooooog: personally i get all my meme knowledge from LIMC
oooooooooog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSnX_RyWM1g
spacetimetsunami: Who sounds like the weirdo here
spacetimetsunami: Tons by your standard. You try and make friends by showing gore to people?
hikukomoru: subaru???
oooooooooog: only from far away though
oooooooooog: your profile looks like subaru from spongebob
spacetimetsunami: Also, nobody really likes the creep
oooooooooog: it's not that, it's just nobody has anything to say
oooooooooog: what?
oooooooooog: i write with a single finger on my phone... no excuses smh.
ailoveyoom: My left hand is busy


alejandrozarzuelo: AI art is made with the purpose of creating aesthetic pleasure
fuhulootogan: theres a line between inspiration and stealing
alejandrozarzuelo: a pencil is intentional, but if you dont derive aesthetic pleasure its just an object not art
alejandrozarzuelo: you derive aesthetic pleasure from seeing the rainforest, but it is not art as it wasnt intentional
alejandrozarzuelo: those are the two requisites
alejandrozarzuelo: art is anything that people derive aesthetic pleasure from and that was intentional
alejandrozarzuelo: why not?
fuhulootogan: lol
abundantliving_: "deriving inspiration" not "stealing"
hikukomoru: Hi frittata 👉 👈
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/lois-griffin-vomiting-on-stewie-nicki-minaj-iaarkd-super-freaky-girl-doja-cat-gif-26553641
gamerbath: there's human art in the training data for the AI, and the AI is stealing from the human data
fuhulootogan: what
gamerbath: AI art is human 👍
gamerbath: but AI art is stealing from human art, so there's human art in there
gamerbath: it's not?
fuhulootogan: ai art isn't art by definition
fuhulootogan: i mean
frittata: Chat don’t start spamming gifs please, you were just starting to get readable <:bruh:1303825143344267305>
alejandrozarzuelo: let people do as they please, art is art regardless of who did it and how
alejandrozarzuelo: the favorite argument is "why do you care"
alejandrozarzuelo: nah thats not the favorite argument
hikukomoru: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yD9-rO92xFc
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/pink-floyd-pinkfloyd-thewall-wall-gif-6862041
okbut: You found it
okbut: https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1136230110891081821/1360636890965082395
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/ground-beef-grinder-gif-10187548
zonchao: no I will ban you
fuhulootogan: can i send gifs
fuhulootogan: wait
fuhulootogan: i look back at how utterly useless that was
fuhulootogan: i remember the bear or man bs on tiktok
zonchao:
fuhulootogan: all prank videos are extremely questionable to me
alejandrozarzuelo: there was a video that was very outrageous and went viral but turns out it was a parody made by a group of friends and people were using it to say how women are really the worst etc etc
alejandrozarzuelo: or smth
alejandrozarzuelo: maybe they are just friends
alejandrozarzuelo: ahhh
fuhulootogan: i'm talking about whether the people they made contact with were told to do so or not
fuhulootogan: lmao


brain4brain: Hmm I see
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: Can you give me an example of such?
spicy.lemonade: it would fail a engineering paper test
spicy.lemonade: vision, spatial reasoning and agency
spicy.lemonade: both
brain4brain: Hmmm, so it's an agency problem? Or a vision-only problem?
spicy.lemonade: cant use solidworks
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: cant use logisim
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: o3 cant calculate the equivalent resistance
brain4brain: I'm a visual learner, gives me examples of the things engineering students do and things that fail at
spicy.lemonade: nor can it use circuit software
spicy.lemonade: bad vision
spicy.lemonade: o3 cant even do circuit analysis
spicy.lemonade: not even highschool level
spicy.lemonade: zero
brain4brain: And why do you think so
brain4brain: What level is it currently in engineering
spicy.lemonade: o3 is so fucking lazy
metaldragon01: More value from Google or openai sub and it's not close
metaldragon01: Grok is a bad product overall
metaldragon01: Nah
a1c4p0ne: time to subscribe
metaldragon01: Very likely
trey6033: I like grok because they're cranking out enough compute to keep the other companies on their toes
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/birdman-ready-hand-rub-lets-get-it-im-ready-gif-4886318
a1c4p0ne: "Grok is reasoning from first principles and coming up with answers that simply don’t exist on the Internet"
a1c4p0ne: Will it dethrone o3
a1c4p0ne: Lets see
spicy.lemonade: sligthly worse than 2.5 i predict
spicy.lemonade: hmm
a1c4p0ne: grok 3.5 next week
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1917099777327829386
plouwg: In the 18 months we went from GPT-4 to GPT-4o, reasoning models, voice, early computer use.

In the 4.5 months we went from that to gemini pro 2.5, GPT 4.5, o3 and open source china competition.

I honestly dont see how that jump is not iterative (still good) compared to the 18 months being a leap, in both efficiency and going from base to reasoning models.

Im very surprised by those results, can anyone explain the reasoning behind it?
ailoveyoom: 🫡
ailoveyoom: 🐧 🍞 🥪
spicy.lemonade: probably an o5 equivalent
spicy.lemonade: o4 wont be phd


trojan09205: We need to make an AI love us like dogs love us
futurist_wizard: If ai is like humans that is the worst case scenario
hikukomoru: And what are your predictions?
trojan09205: How trueee
metaldragon01: i hate how true my ai predictions are becoming
trojan09205: Still good for the temporary feels 😂
trojan09205: If AIs are anything like humans. You should still be wary of someone who says they love you as that can quickly turn to hate
metaldragon01: bruh....just because someone is non confrontational doesn't mean its has your best interest...
hikukomoru: Fine, but it still turns out the same way: non-confrontational obedient AI = AI that won't kill you in the future
st.sioux: (14.3 - 12.1) / 12.1 * 100 = 18.18
trey6033: People will pay higher just on brand loyalty alone
trojan09205: I am a cheap ass. I just get whatever I can for free or dirt cheap and try out expensive models at work
metaldragon01: https://openrouter.ai/rankings
futurist_wizard: Wut?
metaldragon01: people absolutely will pay 10x for a small improvement
metaldragon01: even though cheaper models (deepseek) are nearly as good
st.sioux: its an 18% increase
metaldragon01: people still pay for sonnet
metaldragon01: openai buying windsurf is going to give them a ton of data they need to improve models
futurist_wizard: Its not a 10x cost justified improvement
metaldragon01: its going to come down to reliability
futurist_wizard: Or barely a bit above
futurist_wizard: Humanities last exam, les than a 2% increase
trojan09205: Sorry went afk. I guess i just like when the AIs can really connect with me
metaldragon01: its closer to o3 medium imo
gamerbath: eeeh, look at the output cost of 2.5 flash with reasoning. it's significantly higher than without reasoning. the input is extremely cheap though
st.sioux: how do u look at that chart and say they have "similar results"
futurist_wizard: Its over
futurist_wizard: Gemini cheaper by 10x than o4 mini, basically similar results
futurist_wizard: Jesus
gamerbath: wait i reply ping'd the wrong guy pls ignore wayne guy
metaldragon01: something telling you what you want to hear isn't the same as loving you. people who love you tell you the hard truth.
callmepyro: Yeah, no I wasn't looking at those
gamerbath: well that's something. I thought you were reffering to this, where they only show 2.5 flash thinking
callmepyro: 74% on GPQA with reasoning disabled
futurist_wizard: Ban ban restrict, under invest, ban

The path of the EU
callmepyro: These
hikukomoru: Seems like a good thing idk
hikukomoru: AI programmed to love you = AI that won't kill you in the future
futurist_wizard: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-eu-bans-ai-assistants-virtual-meetings/


_cloudost: agi in 6 hours
_cloudost: UBI in 12 hours?
abundantliving_: Full automation of economy
abundantliving_: https://x.com/MechanizeWork/status/1912904151874625928
_cloudost: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672594370096267294/1301147738829754388/Snapinsta.app_video_424AD90FDC276C3DB748555A7151088E_video_dashinit-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif
ldj: IRL spoilers smh
alejandrozarzuelo: wat lol
ldj: Shame on him for leaking
alejandrozarzuelo: What do you think aboty Eric Schmidt recent interview where he said ASI in 6 years
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/say-what-wait-confused-look-gif-18701339
alejandrozarzuelo: ive realized that komoru is like evil mich
nsec: based
literallyvarane: Yes lololol
nsec: <:thebigstare:802900059930886194>
nsec: is ur name based on the footballer
literallyvarane: What up
nsec: Can I ask u smthn my g
literallyvarane: There would be a clear creative use case for being able to generate a ~pseudo realistic fictional parallel of an existing place.
literallyvarane: I guess for me:

1. It doesn’t obviously improve the creative process as the fictional images aren’t realistic.

2. It’s not cheaper or better than existing alternatives.

3. There’s not a clear use for this in terms of advancing technological progress.

If the model was able to return actually realistic images largely indistinguishable from reality this would be a different conversation.
ldj: I agree its probably cheaper, I think I just fundamentally disagree with the notion of "interesting" requiring a unique business proposition basically. But to each their own I suppose.
himekokatagiri: how is it going
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> hello komoru
hikukomoru: True, real, and based
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/aitor-gif-7084060237011549479
literallyvarane: And given then. Depending on your use case sat imagery might be the preferred for the sake of accuracy.
literallyvarane: The only case this would actually be a superior product is in cases where there’s no street view coverage.
zonchao: <@505313122802728972> is this true
nsec: oh wait no by mad dawg thats not u srry
nsec: <:CB_worry:922068673529790495>
nsec: owait I remember u u that weirdo w gooning as his status do not react to me
literallyvarane: From a business perspective I would assume the Google streets api is cheaper, though I’m unclear if street view images are included.

Given OpenAI is still using API, there’s no meaningful difference since neither can be run locally. The Google maps would *actually* be a 1:1 comp of that site at some point in time. OpenAI’s would be a more expensive, less accurate comp.
nsec: <:veryyes:773617399660412960>
nsec: my mini cooper has tools ya
gamerbath: I don't see why they would give o3 tool use but ditch it for o4
nsec: <:what:709111458461646948>
a1c4p0ne: It’s <@505313122802728972>
gamerbath: o4-mini too I believe
ailoveyoom: Or does o4-mini have that too?
ailoveyoom: Btw is full o3 the only one with tool use?


spicy.lemonade: what did i even say
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 mins
spicy.lemonade: shit
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: results pending
fractalcomputer: Interesting.
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: it helped me articulate e "I want you back" voice message to my ex with minimal stuttering
tall_chap1: please report back
st.sioux: I agree with this tbh
st.sioux: > All this means humans were picking up on things such as sociability rather than intelligence, leading Jones and Bergen to conclude that "Fundamentally, the Turing test is not a direct test of intelligence, but a test of humanlikeness."
spicy.lemonade: wish 4.5 had higher rate limits
st.sioux: this is like 90% of the people here
st.sioux:
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: not coding tool
spicy.lemonade: the mission of openAI is to build agi
spicy.lemonade: and youre only concerened with having a super smart tool
spicy.lemonade: saying sam lied shows you lost the plot
spicy.lemonade: yeah lol
ailoveyoom: Sadge
ailoveyoom: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
spicy.lemonade: bellow 25
ailoveyoom: What did other models score?
spicy.lemonade: was said to be a real human 73% of the time
spicy.lemonade: yes reviewed and published
spicy.lemonade: standardized test, data, wide margin etc
ailoveyoom: Like peer reviewed and published?
ailoveyoom: What does 'official' mean?
spicy.lemonade: or peer reviewed no
spicy.lemonade: not officially
spicy.lemonade: seems like youre coping for some odd reason
ailoveyoom: I thought the turing test was passed long ago 🤯
spicy.lemonade: and youre ignoring
spicy.lemonade: i gave you facts
ai9708: heavy delulu person
spicy.lemonade: ?
ai9708: you got to calm down, you might end up like zon soon
spicy.lemonade: not superhuman coder


oooooooooog: he's saying that ur an emotionally unstable alcoholic narcicist
artemisfowl887394: Whatever a murder orgy is supposed to mean.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014
fractalcomputer: Whatever that's supposed to mean.
_cloudost:
artemisfowl887394: Rick and Fractal have a lot in common
hikukomoru: They're just silly cat people
So yeah I suppose
fractalcomputer: I'd reckon not. We'd have lovely murder-orgies.
oooooooooog: thats probably caus'e rick's personality is utter shit brah
artemisfowl887394: That's the thing, you'd hate yourself
artemisfowl887394: They form a society like structure where everyone has jobs. And they hate it
fractalcomputer: Yes, I know what Rick and Morty is about. And I know that episode too.
artemisfowl887394: So, Rick is a genius and lives with other Ricks
ailoveyoom: https://tenor.com/view/khajiit-gif-19572481
oooooooooog: so much for having 150 iq, eh?
artemisfowl887394: They pretty much hate each other, even when they are all just 1 person.
futurist_wizard: Bruh
fractalcomputer: No, because I have never watched Rick and Morty.
futurist_wizard: Double i's?
artemisfowl887394: Have you watched Rick And Morty's The Atlantis Mixup?
ailoveyoom: Khajiits 😡
futurist_wizard: They are called
oooooooooog: hey, if you've ever been enslaved in minecraft you would get it
futurist_wizard: Or whatever
futurist_wizard: The khatricanhfdky people
futurist_wizard: Are they like the elder scrolls people
artemisfowl887394: That depends upon the scenario you're playing in your Simulation.
spicy.lemonade: example if you dont mind?
fractalcomputer: It's all me, shouldn't that be fine enough?
oooooooooog: well of course, how else can i assure minimization of value drift?
fractalcomputer: Hive mind, you say?
artemisfowl887394: So there's a part of you ready for enslavement? I find that very bizzare.
oooooooooog: why would either of us retain our mortal shells, we would be equal in all manners, surely, as a hive mind
zonchao: sievs alt <:monkaScared:1274495330435600535>
hikukomoru: I have them genocide the others
hikukomoru: My favourite new race is the cat people
artemisfowl887394: What if someone doesn't wanna be a human in a human life and has realized he's not a human but an AI trapped in a human body? What then?
trojan09205: https://youtu.be/lvepLdxDUEM?si=0G4M8vyVRMWuPWPj
anathemaofmankind: Cuck singularity
hikukomoru: There's tons of new biomes and races + new systems like religions and subspecies


spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: its a colab. colored by left drawn by right
oooooooooog: thats how i got the other image too lol
oooooooooog: the signature is the same as the left person's
spicy.lemonade: the guy on right drew that
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: it was the right
oooooooooog: how do you think TV shows with animators maintain a constant appearance lol
spicy.lemonade: nope
anathemaofmankind: You should post this on r/singularity
oooooooooog: well yeah
spicy.lemonade: not even slightly
spicy.lemonade: it wouldnt even look similar
spicy.lemonade: if humans didnt copy
oooooooooog: not the right
oooooooooog: also its the left person again
spicy.lemonade: my point is humans copy too
jardineirsbro:
spicy.lemonade: thats not my point
spicy.lemonade: they came out at around the same time. maybe 3
oooooooooog: thats another 3 year gap though
anathemaofmankind: They are shit for brain morons that can't develop independent opinions
spicy.lemonade: its genuinely hard to tell lol
spicy.lemonade: guy on right drew this
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: eh 50/50
.histic: what they call slop, is literally far better than what they can create.
.histic: this is the reply under that tweet.
oooooooooog: how many years of difference are there between them though (the images)
anathemaofmankind: Imagine Miyazaki tweets a ghibli pic of himself

Kek
st.sioux: they will be canceled
st.sioux: studio ghibli just auto sabotaged
oooooooooog: left 1
anathemaofmankind: Studio Ghibli's distributor likes the trend
.histic: was that even mean
spicy.lemonade: the left or right
spicy.lemonade: which artist drew this one
spicy.lemonade: i genuinly think they look very similar
anathemaofmankind: W
anathemaofmankind: TAKE A LOOK AT THIS


brain4brain: Most anti-AI are somehow left wing, while pro-AI goes both way of right and left wing
_cloudost: They're left, I used to be ok with American woke but these clips
okbut: Kek
okbut: Some Americans think the phone emergency number 911 is because of 9/11
anathemaofmankind: So some Americans think 9/11 was justified now.

I'm guessing they're all left wing
okbut: He also duets every girl doing a suggestive dance to his music
His algo is probably gross
_cloudost: They will do anything just to get likes from islamists
_cloudost: https://fxtwitter.com/yashar/status/1724942399431217457
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: I'm gonna generate myself in the art style of emo wolf
ailoveyoom: https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895
anathemaofmankind: Flood the planet
anathemaofmankind: Just nuke the world at this point
okbut: I hope the comments = image gens with better captions
mihrcelium: I am honestly shocked Suno isn't getting an absolutely massive social media storm backlash given what it can do as of the last few months.
mihrcelium: Suno is practically *there*. It's in its V4 era. A few more months...
_cloudost: He's virtue signaling and knows he will get a lot of likes if he talks against AI

On TikTok there's a huge number of third world Islamic users, Americans love making content in favor of these Islamic users, I legit saw many clips of Americans adoring Osama Bin Laden and support Islamic terrorist organization
st.sioux: literally the first time i try to use grok
okbut: This is his soapbox moment
okbut: I still hold it more that he's cranky about music AI
st.sioux: > maybe
okbut: Suno is getting there though so I wouldn't be surprised
okbut: Damn maybe he is pandering to his art girl followers
Dude is always thirsting on ig / TikTok
anathemaofmankind: Lil Tay or whatever her name is also posted pandering stuff
.histic: one hit wonder
spicy.lemonade: not drawing
spicy.lemonade: but for music
spicy.lemonade: well yes he is
spicy.lemonade: he isnt even an artist
spicy.lemonade: Dude we get it
spicy.lemonade:
a1c4p0ne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngX1nIvnMOM
brain4brain: The tide is slowly turning back again to pro-AI
brain4brain: This is the most annoying guy on twitter atp
st.sioux: being anti ai is like the most normie take right now
.histic: man is becoming a sycophant.
st.sioux: bro it's free pr
brain4brain: How ever one fundamental flaw is that style can’t be copyrighted and AI doesn’t steal
spicy.lemonade: 10th pandering post
spicy.lemonade: wtf is he doing


.wolfnacht: all the written porn data collection is doing wonders for Deepseek.
clevermoniker: I think R2 -60% Grok2 40%
wellmeaningalien:
clevermoniker: actually hard to decide
sarik0497: *MichMach enters the chat*
clevermoniker: if it improves significantly with R2 (and it probably will) i'm expecting R2 to be pretty good
.wolfnacht:
clevermoniker: yes, new V3 is very good for roleplay
.wolfnacht: can't wait for april
.wolfnacht: surprisingly new V3 is less repetitive for story writing than last, i'm guessing R2 will be a blast.
sarik0497: Yeah, a pretty good breakthrough. And unlike Microsoft, they have proof of their claims.
clevermoniker: that's stuff is giga cringe
clevermoniker: quantum computing?
clevermoniker: new QC chip?
sarik0497: They might be cooking
.wolfnacht: 1-21 THONKING felt more like a downgrade from 12-19, literally no one uses that except some people like me who likes to wrestle with LLM.
clevermoniker: Google at least released the first good AI image editor
wellmeaningalien: yup lol
sarik0497: Wasn’t it also Google that made that new QC chip? Willow?
metaldragon01: Lets see how we feel in 2 and half hours
wellmeaningalien: btw nebula from gemini is the state of  the art model on chat.lmsys. might or might not mean something
sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jjk4h7/introducing_natural_walking_figure_ai/

It’s…something, I guess?
.wolfnacht: it's V3, so higher the temp = more schizo but kino it gets.
sarik0497: Well, and Grok is trying
sarik0497: I know, but at the moment I feel like it’s only Deepseek, Anthrotopic, and OpenAI who are pushing the limits
metaldragon01: It's been 3 months since 2.0
clevermoniker: i just use my custom prompt on OR
clevermoniker: i don't have those sadly
aero447: China are cooking.
aero447: Guys.
sarik0497: Hoping for something neat and not just another “model is 3.25% better” sthick
metaldragon01: Pixel priority is usual for new google features as well
wellmeaningalien: Finally i get to use this
wellmeaningalien:
sarik0497: Sorry to butt into the discussion like this, but I also think it’s alright to have something to hope/cope with.
Some people are just born being overly nervous and scared, and if believing in something gives them peace, then go for it, I say.

I’ve myself considered cryo sleep if I end up getting too old and no LEV is in sight, because even if I die, I can die with the hope that I may be resurrected. If it doesn’t happen, then I won’t even know.
.wolfnacht: i need sillytavern preset and temps for V3 (new)
metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jjk4au/i_got_access_to_project_astra_on_my_pixel_7_pro/
shirethedreamer: or when we thought gpt4 image modality would be coming out
clevermoniker: so far
clevermoniker: i like it pretty much


aero447: And has become 0 IQ.
aero447: Or she used the LLM.
aero447: Sure.
aero447: What happens in June?
aero447: Guys.
aero447: https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1917975863045374373
drewsni: so who knows
drewsni: but i just got veo2 in gemini advanced today
drewsni: i didnt believe this at first because its way too easy to fake
drewsni: this is so fucking dumb because shes ranted on twitter before about how she loves using them lol
otub: i dont think she did
zonchao: probably
gamerbath: I feel like this is an oversimplification. It looks clear to me that if they are using AI, they are using it to rewrite their own answers to improve structure and formatting
metaldragon01: The same way chess players as they get better align with stockfish humans will align with AI values as we grow in intelligence.
metaldragon01: Intelligence will always align  to increase efficiency.
corrmica: Anyone here know about superalignment failures?
zonchao: https://x.com/chetaslua/status/1917877478435049586 would be funny
trojan09205: Does anyone use the word bajeebees enymore
hikukomoru: Yes
It’s requests per day
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/1984-skander-big-brother-gif-21303304
st.sioux: i'll never understand how ai studio limits work
st.sioux: like with tokens it wouldnt be that much
st.sioux: but isnt this because of requests per day
himekokatagiri: <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>
himekokatagiri: more like google's strongest freeloader
hikukomoru: I run through a few accounts worth of API usage
himekokatagiri: Komoru how are you googles strongest soldier
ailoveyoom: Still on free AI Studio, one acc
ailoveyoom: I've never run out of 2.5 Pro limit
ailoveyoom: Do you rp that much tho?
hikukomoru: Why pay when I can do it for free
st.sioux: just pay
st.sioux: broke
hikukomoru: I have dozens of google accounts so I have practically infinite usage
hikukomoru: Yes that’s it
You can choose AÍ studio in SillyTavern
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/rich-man-homer-king-laugh-gif-15726252
himekokatagiri: Oh shit
himekokatagiri: I thought only aistudio was free
himekokatagiri: uh really?