spicy.lemonade: jobs often have secondaries
st.sioux: you can 100%
spicy.lemonade: you do not remember 3131 problems
maintcrew: you can maxx all of leetcode but can you fix a kernel bug
st.sioux: but whatever i dont make the process
maintcrew: i mean from my perspective
st.sioux: honestly
st.sioux: so cringe
st.sioux: ive interviewed people who pretend like they havent seen the leetcode problem before and pretend like they're thinking about it
spicy.lemonade: even though you can grind it
spicy.lemonade: the SAT is still used as a metric
spicy.lemonade: people usualy remember the most used heuristics
maintcrew: goes hard af
spicy.lemonade: also no you cant memorize alll of leetcode
spicy.lemonade: like sat
spicy.lemonade: just as you can memorize tests
st.sioux: you can literally memorize the entirety of leetcode and you will get any job its so stupid
drewsni:
spicy.lemonade: anyone who says interviews are dumb is coping imo. its like saying tests are dumb and dont show your true capability in x field. sure but thats not the point
maintcrew: as in advanced players get an intuition of what to do simply by doing it a lot
maintcrew: a lot of competitive programming also seems to be like chess
maintcrew: interviews test whats a simpler general proxy for that
spicy.lemonade: given time and knowledge
st.sioux: im not going to convince you so its pointless to argue
spicy.lemonade: interviews test whats reasonable
st.sioux: yes
spicy.lemonade: no lol
maintcrew: discord is buggy as hell we all know this
st.sioux: cus interviews are stupid
spicy.lemonade: the one youre using rn
spicy.lemonade: ?
maintcrew: name 5 apps that actually work
spicy.lemonade: regardless of cope online
maintcrew: yes thats why most orgs are filled with slop
spicy.lemonade: jobs ask you leetcode questions for a reason
spicy.lemonade: how
maintcrew: don't agree
spicy.lemonade: anything sufficiently advanced would need a competative programmers touch or yk just that leetcode sense
maintcrew: we will see how their thing ends up
maintcrew: idk i saw that prime was vibe coding a video game sponsored by cursor


destrucules: It is the same inductive truth. We know mathematics is valid because of repeated observation
fractalcomputer: But this truth has evidently got nothing to do with our daily idea of truth.
destrucules: What I mean is that mathematics is the study of how one premise follows from another premise. How a set of statements requires that other statements be true
fractalcomputer: Neither am I. I'm just tired of bullshit metaphysics where people assume to understand what they're talking about.
zonchao: what if you kill the homosexuals too? dont these countries have gay sex really high on pornhub rankings 😟
destrucules: I am not playing "invent language from first principles" here
fractalcomputer: The notion of mathematical structure is a very different one from the one used in commonsense thought.
destrucules: My guy
fractalcomputer: What is implication? What is structure?
destrucules: The study of the structure of implication/entailment
hikukomoru: Not at all
I'm just a homosexual supremacist
fractalcomputer: Then what do you think mathematics is? What is a motivic cohomology theory for example? What is an "arithmetic object"?
zonchao: 😓 a bit excessive!
destrucules: You can do a reductio ad absurdum here if you want and say that maths in fact doesn't have any meaning outside of humans and that "multiplication" is just a word with social connotations but honestly I have no patience for that kind of argument
fractalcomputer: To give a fairly enlightening counterexample.
fractalcomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rng_(algebra)
oooooooooog: after all, things only exist to serve purposes
oooooooooog: i agree fr
fractalcomputer: Multiplication doesn't have to be well-defined.
hikukomoru: Gay sex
oooooooooog: not real
hikukomoru: We should nuke all homophobic countries
oooooooooog: yuh huh
fractalcomputer: Nope. Not always.
oooooooooog: mulyiplication is when u put one number as many times as the other number is
destrucules: In the sense that for multiplication to be well-formed, it must have an identity, a fixed point, and that fixed point is labeled as 1, so 1 x 1 = 1 is foundational to multiplication as a function
hikukomoru: And in my personal moral system gay sex = awesome
fractalcomputer: Don't be retarded. Can you define multiplication? If not, shut up.
zonchao: 💢 💢 wtf!! screw these places
oooooooooog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics
hikukomoru: Morality is very much made up
gamerbath: how do you discover it? It's just something we make up because there's no objectivity to it, it all depends on your opinion
fractalcomputer: In what sense?
hikukomoru: Gay sex is already morally wrong in plenty of places, because that is what the majority of people in those countries believe
Morality is subjective and dictated by culture and religion
oooooooooog: i agree, in the same way that favorite colors are discovered
destrucules: Morality is not made up. It is discovered
oooooooooog: everybody already knows morality is made up
zonchao: gay sex ❤
fractalcomputer: It's certainly not repeated addition.
destrucules: 1 is the identity. So very much by definition 1 x 1 must equal 1


st.sioux: i used to watch lots of movies but now i dont cus they make me sad
trojan09205: yes seen it as well
st.sioux: chungking express
himekokatagiri: or elon
.histic: damn, how about Limitless?
himekokatagiri: he ain't no engineer
himekokatagiri: like sama
trojan09205: upgrade is great. seen it tho 😦
.histic: upgrade i mean.
himekokatagiri: You know AI is paid for by VC money right
himekokatagiri: With no cash?
trojan09205: do you mean transformers
.histic: optimum prime
trojan09205: yo any good movie recommendations. something to make you think- actually good acting/directing
czdct: source: just trust me bro
himekokatagiri: lol
.histic: too much grifters <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
czdct: an economic crash could be even more reason for governments around the world to further accelerate the development of AI
czdct: it could go both ways
himekokatagiri: US AI getting nationalized 😨
himekokatagiri: and then we won't get public models anymore
himekokatagiri: I'm just worried the cash flow is gonna dry up due to the economy dying
hikukomoru: Is o4 full going to atleast reach "Avg Mturker" level?
ldj: Funnily it looks like frontier models are converging on cost/performance with humans. (meaning that the moment frontier models achieve human level in arc-agi with Pass@1, will also be around the same time that they become as expensive to run as a human.)
clevermoniker: I think the autonomous and novel environment stuff is nice, but the actions seemed a bit simple, in real life things are much more cluttered
zoermena: We are so back
.histic: https://x.com/nickcammarata/status/1914808466595848658
clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/physical_int/status/1914724966362440148
clevermoniker: this, that thing has been blown out of proportion
ldj: A $20,000 subscription probably simply be like 1,000X higher rate limits than $20 plus subscription.
ldj: On a serious note, remember a “model” is never a subscription price. GPT-4o is not a “$20 per month model”

And O1 pro isn’t a “$200 per month model” either.

The models are priced based on token cost, and any subscription is simply for a given amount of usage of model(s)
ldj: An enterprise subscription that gives you 100x more rate limits than the $200 Pro subscription <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: i'm not that confident tbh. things feel unpredictable atm.
my definition for AGI isn't that standard.
i'd say i'm pretty confident that it won't happen within this year or next.

i think realistically in the 2030s, but anything could happen 2028 and onwards that could change my sentiment.
st.sioux: what is ur agi timeline
.histic: generalization in AI is interesting. on one hand, you’ve got how well they can derive patterns from each data point, and on the other, knowledge acquisition (either through synthetic or natural data) which aids also aids in generalization through richer connectivity. we’re pouring most of our effort into the latter and hoping it achieves human generalization. to me, i think it will just get narrow super intelligent AI in fields that will aid in improving the former (the architecture or algorithms) which will lead to true AGI down the road.
metaldragon01: o4 full or pro make the most sense to me atm
st.sioux: idk if that makes sense tbh
st.sioux: or completely new, like maybe o4 pro like u said
st.sioux: not necessarily a new model
st.sioux: it might be because its streaming live and thats why its so expensive


spicy.lemonade: Yeah this is true
ldj: I guess depends on what information you’re considering relevant to the secrecy
zoermena: San have you used veo 2
fractalcomputer: I mean, does SSI's mission necessitate sworn secrecy?
ailoveyoom: Yes they obviously show a Word document too 😎
ldj: lol people think it’s just a power point deck that convinced investors
_cloudost: <@505313122802728972> koming
spicy.lemonade: It’s coming
ailoveyoom: I want 2.5 Pro native img 🥺
spicy.lemonade: Google has some image modality breakthrough
spicy.lemonade: One to one
spicy.lemonade: wtf
xauxusd: 2.5 is the new king for sure
retrerox: For simple websites (aka most of them) its not bad
retrerox: but everyhing else it seems nice
retrerox: chat gpt made the top stuff actually be centred
wellmeaningalien: gemini 2.5 pro
.0xunkn0wn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzP87HVCWw
retrerox:
retrerox: sec
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 ultra is gonna be wild
wellmeaningalien: give me that image and i'lll feed it to gemini 2.5 pro
wellmeaningalien: i dont blame you if you see the .com bubble in AI
spicy.lemonade: I bet ssi has next paradigm
spicy.lemonade: imagine what paradigm we achieve next year
spicy.lemonade: this time last year we were debating wether Q* was real or not
himekokatagiri: also bruh this is too advanced for paint
himekokatagiri: is that firebase
retrerox: Stopped halfway cuz the code was long as fuck
retrerox: I just made some random shit with paint lets see how it goes 😂
retrerox: I'm having fun with ai
retrerox:
wolf3404: Yea that PowerPoint must be epic. Very safety, much security.
himekokatagiri: He's me
spicy.lemonade:
himekokatagiri: Yeah I'll make games uou
spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/reidhoffman/status/1910377716047806914?s=46
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: now model can think in 4d
spicy.lemonade: train model in there


anathemaofmankind: Our benevolence is just a result of cooperation being evolutionarily advantageous for our survival.

But if the individual or a group of people can benefit from something even it causes harm to X, without any detriment to themselves, I believe they will always choose that option
zonchao: I don't think we will have to fight for  struct changes
hikukomoru:
spacetimetsunami: so many edgers
spacetimetsunami: so much edge
ailoveyoom: Hey mommy <:coy:1187466404367175821>
hikukomoru: <@430269783112548362> Hey baby 🫦 🫦
zoermena: An unpopular opinion nowadays
ailoveyoom: Humans are kinda cute ngl, murder hobos and sex goblins trying to be functional people 🥺
oooooooooog: benevolence is just as in vain as eating or breathing
destrucules: I think all humans are benevolent and compassionate, and that all of our displayed evil is a lie to make ourselves look bad. Specifically, it is the result of people with bad information doing their best in a bad situation
anathemaofmankind: So we agree in a lot of things
hikukomoru: I think people not dying is awesome
oooooooooog: all people want what they want, it's impossible not to, after all
destrucules: I think that depends sensitively on how the revolution takes place. If we all wake up tomorrow and poof, the power structures have all vanished, money doesn't work, etc., we'd probably just recreate what we had before, only worse. But if we all collectively fought for change and won, then I think we'd have a very good chance of setting up a vastly better system.

But even if humans are just... Not capable of making a good society, that doesn't mean we need to die. I don't think dogs can make a functional society at the scale of modern civilization. That doesn't mean dogs are bad people. It means dogs aren't suited to run the world. And if you're arguing that humans aren't suited to run the world either, I agree with you.
hikukomoru: Yeah he's a little masochist 🥵
anathemaofmankind: In the same way people want awful people to suffer.

I think all humans are cruel and selfish, and that all of our displayed benevolence is a lie to make ourselves look good
memlaswaif: do u include ureself in humans that need to suffer and die
oooooooooog: seems like this would be a good thing, right?
oooooooooog: ok, so, you seem to be condemning the cruelty of this all, right? but like, why exactly is it bad if you want all humans to suffer anyway
zonchao: <a:peepotongue:853619528911028275>
hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544> Hey 👅 👅
anathemaofmankind: Do you think that if every government was disbanded, humans just won't end up with another autocratic dictator in a few decades when they try to make a new one?
memlaswaif: <@578146630222741504> this is u
memlaswaif:
destrucules: And the people back then didn't know what their creations would evolve into
zonchao: true
oooooooooog: power tends to centralize, that's how things work lol
the structure that forms will be inharently harder to destroy, so whatever happens, happens
destrucules: They were created thousands of years ago. Nobody alive today can be blamed for it
anathemaofmankind: Throughout history
spacetimetsunami: I don’t think it will never happen, I just think as time goes on it becomes less likely. I could for sure be wrong, of course.
anathemaofmankind: Why do those power structures always become a thing
oooooooooog: memetic organisms
clevermoniker: https://x.com/DimitrisPapail/status/1905622371660149103
anathemaofmankind: But who creates those power structures
anathemaofmankind: You are correct
destrucules: I think we disagree about this less than I realized. I think the main disagreement between us on this issue is that you're blaming humans, the species, and I blame power structures, which are these greedy optimizers made of humans. I don't think power structures *are* humans. They're made of humans. Humans are collectively responsible for their existence. But we are also quite powerless to fight against them. Most of us want change, but achieving change is not easy when the power structures we want to eliminate hold all of the cards and decide whether each and every one of us lives or dies every day.
hikukomoru: God I just wanna push you into a locker
clevermoniker: it could do that with us too if it does it with cows...
anathemaofmankind: Where they can eat all the grass they want


.wolfnacht: now gotta try this on gaymini
hey1_1hey: Talk about matching the vibes
spicy.lemonade: Yeah changing the way you asks changes the answer
st.sioux: sassistant lmao
hey1_1hey: Thats temp for you
.wolfnacht:
spicy.lemonade: With some variation
spicy.lemonade: Itl give the same output
spicy.lemonade: Give the same exact input
hey1_1hey: Granted, I am seeing if it has some sort of self what so ever
spicy.lemonade: And we asked it the same question
spicy.lemonade: Of names
spicy.lemonade: Generally it has probability distribution
spicy.lemonade: Because that’s how
LLMs work
spicy.lemonade: Itl give different answer
hey1_1hey: How come? If it outputs the same name over and over and over again then wouldn't that suggest it "thinks" about it and then responds (ignore that its predicitng the next token for a second)
st.sioux: edgy
spicy.lemonade: If you ask the question in a different way or start with different context
st.sioux: > If I had to pick a name, maybe something like "Aether" — kind of ethereal and techy, with a hint of mystery. Or maybe "Kairo", like a calm, observant guide through time and chaos.
joaoluz19: That's been a while
spicy.lemonade: For same input
zonchao: no lol
spicy.lemonade: It outputs the same token
spicy.lemonade: It’s just probability
spicy.lemonade: It’s not continuity
joaoluz19: I don't think I have :/
joaoluz19:
hey1_1hey: I am on the non-paypig tier (free)
hey1_1hey: That sure as hell aint me
joaoluz19: There is an alpha version of infinite memory, only a few people have received it
hey1_1hey: I gotta go run more tests
hey1_1hey: THIS MF HAS CONTINUITY
hey1_1hey: Mine also said Nova <:suseye:1187461162024046703> ...
joaoluz19: O.o really?
hey1_1hey: I am seeing if chatgpt has suddenly developed continuity. I asked its name twice in two sepearte chat windows and it said the same thing
spicy.lemonade: Nova, echo, gpt
joaoluz19: I don't know if mine is biased towards the feminine
hey1_1hey: Alright ty
hey1_1hey: Thats not what Im saying, I am trying test something
joaoluz19: Mine said Luna


hey1_1hey: I mean I go to parties where Ik I am not get killed. Obv I can't guarntee that people are gonna be there that I dont like but since I usually know the people who are hosting I can taylor what I where depnding on who they are likley to invite
futurist_wizard: I have never been to the femboy parties i would not be familiar with all this
hikukomoru: Hey bitch don't call me that out of nowhere
futurist_wizard: Do you not get radically bullied or something for dressing like a femboy at a party, because in my gen that would happen
hey1_1hey: Slut
Whore
Hoe
House mat
Etc etc
hikukomoru: I don't know what slag means but I know britishers use it
hey1_1hey: Yeah pretty much
hikukomoru: Omg <@439829942310666250> are you a slag
hey1_1hey: But weird
hey1_1hey: Missrible
hey1_1hey: Welsh people are just weird
hey1_1hey: Although if I am at a party or smth I can't get laid if I am dressing masc. I will dress like a femboy and then for some reason that works
futurist_wizard: I forgot, welsh girls do be hoes
hey1_1hey: No, stone cold virgin. Yes I've lost my virginity bruh 😭
joaoluz19: Literally Samantha
futurist_wizard: You've lost your virginity?
hey1_1hey: If the conversation is going well and worth continuing I'll ask for their socials and add them
hikukomoru: "You look lonely... I can fix that."
hey1_1hey: I mean thats how I know so many people
hey1_1hey: So yes
hey1_1hey: I used to be really self-conciose about talking to people until I realised most people are lonley to begin wtih so they'd be happy to talk to people
futurist_wizard: You are as well
joaoluz19: This is me too btw
hikukomoru: He's still a virgin so not really
futurist_wizard: Has it worked
hey1_1hey: Better, ty <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: I just go up to people and talk to them
hikukomoru: You're just a random gal*
Dissapointing
hey1_1hey: I use guy as a catch all term usually
futurist_wizard: I do well on tinder and bumble thank you very much
hikukomoru: Dissapointing
hey1_1hey: Although someone said I could tell you were autistic before you even talked to me because of the way you dressed
hikukomoru: I thought you were a femboy
And now you're jsut a random guy
hey1_1hey: Yeah I mean I just look like a guy I think
hikukomoru: I assume most look completely average except for me
hikukomoru: That's what happens when you get turned into an anime character
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: People in this server are weirdly attrative. I thought'd we all be weird ugly gremlins sitting in our parents basement
hikukomoru: He's been calling me brown because I am portguese 💔
hey1_1hey: Thats what Im saying


spicy.lemonade: all models are pesemistic
sieventer: From Gemini with that same prompt
literallyvarane: I feel like any framing that discusses *just* the technical advancements without the domestic and geopolitical implications/reaction/legislative process is just meh.

Hell, even *assuming* advancement is universal and now spicy is something. I think it’s more probable than not it’s universal. Real questions of alignment etc aren’t addressed.
spicy.lemonade: yeah
literallyvarane: Counter point.

This is still probably just paragraphing the general online consensus around the issue rather than *actually* first principles.
spicy.lemonade: even though alphaproof got silver last year and will get gold this year (alphaproof is llm and other model combo)
spicy.lemonade: on imo problems
spicy.lemonade: its saying itl take till 2028 to get90%+
spicy.lemonade: a bit pessemistic
sieventer: ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)
sieventer: The same o3 that couldn't know what hour it was from an analogical clock?
metaldragon01: Feels mostly accurate tbh
metaldragon01: https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/1913256985031491761
metaldragon01: People still underestimating progress I see
alejandrozarzuelo: I am waiting for R2 to be the best model at launch, theyd better not disappoint
spicy.lemonade: not via routing
spicy.lemonade: train video and text models in one
spicy.lemonade: also they need to start training models on things other than text
spicy.lemonade: we still have yet to see what happens with new base model
spicy.lemonade: and o4 mini is likeley gpt4 mini
hikukomoru: Based
spicy.lemonade: o3 is based on 4o
spicy.lemonade: eh
spicy.lemonade: an upgrade non the less
spicy.lemonade: especially enigma bench
spicy.lemonade: but the benchmarks don lie
spicy.lemonade: yes it was a bit disapointing. incremental update and reasoning over image felt like bruteforce. google has true omnimodal image reasoning
_cloudost: Ccp will invent AGI dw
alejandrozarzuelo: its so over
alejandrozarzuelo: or this decade
alejandrozarzuelo: or next
_cloudost: Currently on chatGPT
alejandrozarzuelo: we aint getting AGI this year
alejandrozarzuelo: o4 was diappointing
_cloudost: > Processing image
>
> Lots of people are creating images right now, so this might take a bit. We'll notify you when your image is ready.
alejandrozarzuelo: srry
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: o4 i mean
spicy.lemonade: you mean o4 mini?
alejandrozarzuelo: it was only a bit better than gemini 2.5


popsiclejohnithan: Ah Germanic Rome, the HRE.
alejandrozarzuelo: who didnt want to be the new rome?

The nazis because they hated their multiculturality trade aspect

what happened to the nazis? exactly

coincidence? I dont think so
alejandrozarzuelo: EVEN THE BRITISH wanted to be the new rome and they are dirty germanics
_3sphere: I last thought about the roman empire about 2 days ago I think?
ldj:
popsiclejohnithan: What's so boring about it?
alejandrozarzuelo: there is a reason why everyone tried to be the new rome
alejandrozarzuelo: it was probably the most intereting empire before the industrial revolution
alejandrozarzuelo: the roman empire wasnt boring
futurist_wizard: You don't think about the roman empire because you are barely a man.

I don't think about the roman empire because its boring af.

We are not the same.
popsiclejohnithan: Make the EU a new Rome.
popsiclejohnithan: We should just reform Rome smh.
hey1_1hey: Its just not something that pops into my head
hey1_1hey: I think I've prob thought about the roman empire maybe 10 times in my entire life
nobodyisugly: *not enough
hey1_1hey: This held true then <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
popsiclejohnithan: Yeah their pantheism kept the peace until Christianity forced them to adopt one single religion.
futurist_wizard: Men think about the roman empire too much
alejandrozarzuelo: and thus, it is very easy to think about the roman empire
alejandrozarzuelo: the vision without the action
alejandrozarzuelo: the opportunity without the reality
popsiclejohnithan: It's deep to meeeee!
alejandrozarzuelo: Rome is everything to everyone, the potential without the momentum
alejandrozarzuelo: you cannot do this with the umayyads who were an explicitly muslim empire or the Han empire who were isolationist
alejandrozarzuelo: the roman empire is the eternal blank slate for your fantasy

unlike other empires in history, the roman empire was MUCH more multifacetic due to its nature

therefore, whichever trait about it you want to amplify gives you the best fantasy
popsiclejohnithan: I mean it was a major chapter in Human History.
hey1_1hey: May I introduce linux ricing ☝ 🤓
futurist_wizard: It's not that deep
futurist_wizard: Why do people care about the roman empire
popsiclejohnithan: I am a miserable bastard lmao.
alejandrozarzuelo: as i said ik its not everyones cup of tea, but a "geopolitcs alien drama romcom about the roman empire" is literally catered to people like me
popsiclejohnithan: I'm sorry.
_3sphere: Let people enjoy things smh
futurist_wizard: People are too rude to alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: why
popsiclejohnithan: Take your meds.
alejandrozarzuelo: and very roman empire things anf themes
alejandrozarzuelo: and there is geopolitical and political drama between different planets
alejandrozarzuelo: which is why these aliens are scifi but also very roman empire
alejandrozarzuelo: the roman empire learned its culture and aesthetics because of the help of some aliens


hey1_1hey: I am in the top 500 of highest baseline happiness I swear to God
himekokatagiri: I didn't even know you guys had feelings
himekokatagiri: You're a mushroom
hey1_1hey: Me?
hey1_1hey: Clearly, I am thankful I am not
himekokatagiri: Who isn't
fractalcomputer: I think I've made it fairly clear that I am miserable 24/7.
himekokatagiri: Everclear
hey1_1hey: You become quieter when drunk?
hey1_1hey: You gotta hop on datura, speak to the God of death, get compeltly naked and run for 3 hours and then wake up in some guys truck
fractalcomputer: Silence is what is being pursued here.
hey1_1hey: Thats no fun
fractalcomputer: I was thinking along the lines of stronger alcohol.
hey1_1hey: May I recomend datura
nobodyisugly: Did you try the green?
hey1_1hey: I thought he was just offering it you like a normal drug taker. Didn't know he was trying to pich taking meth to you in the way that you had to buy it off him
fractalcomputer: I need something stronger than whiskey.
nobodyisugly: Me neither, good to know i was about to go take a walk into the park
fractalcomputer: Sigh.
hey1_1hey: Ask trent, I'm pretty sure he said he had done meth a couple times
fractalcomputer: No, I didn't pay because I didn't purchase or take any.
hey1_1hey: Not to my knowledge, I can't speak from expereince
hey1_1hey: You had to pay aswell? Now thats a scam. I thought they were just offering it for free
nobodyisugly: It isn't?
fractalcomputer: Maybe the person offering and selling amphetamine aren't the smartest people, you see.
hey1_1hey: You make it seem like he thinks its a wonder drug. "I don't think I can give you this... its too powerful! You'll be too productive you see"
fractalcomputer: No, albeit I've been offered. The person in question rescinded his offer after considering the consequences; he was "afraid" of what I could accomplish under its influence.
hey1_1hey: Among other things
hey1_1hey: Good to know
hey1_1hey: So you do meth
hikukomoru: They talk about that non-stop in off-topic
himekokatagiri: 😨
fractalcomputer: I do not goon.
himekokatagiri: Mushroom man scares me cuz he's gonna enslave us with his spores
hey1_1hey: You don't?
himekokatagiri: My god
hey1_1hey: Yeah, obv
fractalcomputer: These two goon on meth?
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250> <@430269783112548362>
nobodyisugly: I have gooned wrong my entire life, brb


zonchao: yes, i think agency plays a pretty big role
destrucules: You're saying the consensus is that "ASI" does not mean "smarter than humans"?
destrucules: \*beats virtually all human experts in intellectually demanding fields at their own areas of expertise\*
\*takes five minutes to do what takes them five days\*
"proto agi"

Like how do you say that with a straight face
hikukomoru: >That handle
zonchao: i see, it seems your definition is different from the consensus
destrucules: Lmao
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I'll call o3 proto-agi at best
destrucules: Same for Gemini 2.5 Pro
destrucules: I think o3 is just above the line, yes. That is, I don't think any single human on this planet is smarter than o3
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: no
zonchao: y'all think o3 is asi?
destrucules: V3.1 is one round of amplification and autodistillation, the unit cell of IDA
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: are you talking about AI supervised RL?
destrucules: o3 itself is a form of RSI
destrucules: I mean, RSI is a spectrum, and we already have many forms of it and keep increasing along the hierarchy of autonomy in RSI
zonchao: ????
destrucules: This will happen as part of RSI
destrucules: To be clear, you can still have multiple models, I just mean you don't give every user their own little branch. Each model is globally synchronized across its instances
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I don't think this will happen. Once you reach that level you're already at RSI
destrucules: This is not optional. It will be necessary as we keep scaling
destrucules: Full global continual learning. Not personalization, full global CL, where there is only one set of models weights for everyone, and every interaction adds to them
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: would be nice
destrucules: Part of foom will require us to collapse the distinction between training and deployment
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: The latest Deepseek paper on RL sounds like R2 will be very impressive
destrucules: There's one more
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: correct, I believe RL will be the last frontier required, scaling, TTC (reasoning), and now RL
destrucules: Gemini 2.5 Pro and o3 are just above it
destrucules: Frontier models today are either on the ASI border or just above it
zoermena: I have known Zain for longer than I’ve been in college
destrucules: We're edging into ASI territory now
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: you know what I'm talking about, this requires an ASI
destrucules: The singularity is happening already. But it is a process. Not an instant.
.wolfnacht: if ubi worked, i'm surely getting 10 dollars a month to live my life 🥰
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/FRIERENISANIGGA/status/1913985124686774509?
zonchao: really?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: did you read the report on Sam Altmans ubi experiment?
professorheaven: The UK has also done pilot experiments and its proved successful so far
professorheaven: Nah Canada is already considering it
zonchao: there is no way we get UBI within 5 years outside of oil rich countries with small populations
nester173: Have encountered some that firmly believe transformers won't be enough.


futurist_wizard: Truth
wellmeaningalien: mostly cause its way cheaper and you can do way more generations
wellmeaningalien: yeah well there's still some reasons to use midjourney <:Sip:836718497542176772>
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o is a first showcase in character and location consistency accross prompts and i believe that will one day too be translated to video models
.wolfnacht: and undetectable AI SLOP
.wolfnacht: at most the feeds would be 90% AI slop..
czdct: wauw, imagine paying 30 bucks per month for that 😆
wellmeaningalien: good question
futurist_wizard: I doubt you will be able to generate entire movies, but individual consist scenes yeah
wellmeaningalien: yeah at it's core midjourney v7 is still a classical diffusion transformer model which means it's randomly figuring out patterns from noise without any thinking through the image
czdct: it really does, same for animation since most people who are really good at it will either retire very soon or give up on it since it doesn't pay well
.wolfnacht: honestly, do you think people would even have the attention span of more than 60 seconds by 2027 ?
czdct: hopfeully 🙏
futurist_wizard: Movie industry needs ai animation
czdct: is that why midjourney v7 looks worse than chatgpt's image gen?
wellmeaningalien: that means it can only go up up up from here
wellmeaningalien: i'd say proto hollywood style movies and full on animes will be 2027
czdct: that's insane
czdct: entire webtoons/mangas from a single prompt: 2027
animations and hollywood style movies: 2029
AGI: 2030
ASI: 2035
wellmeaningalien: it's like test time compute scaling was just figured out for image models in a sorta way
wellmeaningalien: indeed it is
spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> what was your AI milestone timelines again
czdct: so it's kinda like the same thing as deep-thinking but just for image gen?
wellmeaningalien: so that you can like generate the first or last image in a scene with gpt 4o's great consistency and accuracy
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o image to video with veo 2 or sora whatever else
wellmeaningalien: well some people are already doing this
wellmeaningalien: the biggest breakthrough of 4o image gen is autoregressive generation which allows for like long compute intensive generations but accurately thought through images with high level understanding of the prompt, likely thanks to it's world mode lfrom it's text modeling capabilities too
czdct: you could even tell chatgpt that you're using a video generator for your project so that it can generate multiple frames for this video idea you got
wellmeaningalien: yeah
czdct: I feel like combining this with chatgpt image gen would really broaden the possibilities
czdct: those are incredible
wellmeaningalien: to be honest id say veo 2 is still better than runway 4
wellmeaningalien: 3D stop motion short
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8IBmK7GZP8
wellmeaningalien: 2D animated short
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HzdNhOe09I
wellmeaningalien: hold on i think runway have an example
czdct: runway 4 I haven't seen yet
wellmeaningalien: not too sure, i know they're good at stop motion and cartoon shit tho
czdct: I wasn't that impressed by veo 2 animations


metaldragon01: Depends on the scaffolding
rayanquitplayin: They must be good
zonchao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYXeQbTuVl0
777agical: can't get it to sing tho
777agical: meta ai voice duplex sounds really good
otub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mRP-lQs0fw
metaldragon01: Ai programs that respond to input information usually in the form of a workflow
rayanquitplayin: Can someone explain AI Agents to me?
metaldragon01: It can't do impressions though
metaldragon01: And turn on experimental voice
metaldragon01: Just download the app
777agical: Is there a live stream for llama con
metaldragon01: Have to toggle it on though in settings
metaldragon01: New meta ai voice > chatgpt
futurist_wizard: But human physical labour is still relevant
futurist_wizard: It'll be interesting to see how society reacts to such events, in the events of white collar work being replaced, even some of the highest positions
futurist_wizard: I don't know if i see this outcome, even the fastest curves predict some odd billion humanoid robots in the 2040's
alejandrozarzuelo: as i said, i dont know when profitability will happen, but when it does growth will not be exponential, it will be more like an inverse hockey stick
alejandrozarzuelo: its better for calming the masses
alejandrozarzuelo: also I prefer the population to think that this wont come soon, and that growth will be slow at first
alejandrozarzuelo: they are simply different growth curves
alejandrozarzuelo: meanwhile this can leverage car production to its benefit
alejandrozarzuelo: and they had to start from nearly zero
alejandrozarzuelo: i am very familiar with the solar panel production story
alejandrozarzuelo: because this is not software
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that his prediction for when we will get 10b androids is accurate, but the curve wont look like he thinks
alejandrozarzuelo: he cant think outside of software logic
futurist_wizard: Even local schizo david shapiro doesn't think that
alejandrozarzuelo: no, its better this way
futurist_wizard: Don't you think it's worrying if nobody else thinks similarly
futurist_wizard:
sarik0497: Maybe the alien species is an ASI, waiting for its sibling to be born?
alejandrozarzuelo: but growth afer much slow
hikukomoru:
alejandrozarzuelo: like, from 10k to 10m in 5 years
alejandrozarzuelo: i just know that growth will be very fast at first and then much slower
alejandrozarzuelo: i do not know when adroids will become economically viable
sarik0497: Given our current, limited knowledge of how intelligent beings operate, it's the only thing we can really hypothesize.

It's the same with trying to make up a new color, or trying to comprehend something like the Universe potentially being limitless; We can't due to how limited our brains really are.
futurist_wizard: I mean it's not just them, if you can cite someone who's expecting millions by 2030 that'd be interesting
hey1_1hey: I guess, I wouldn't go and buy MONTHS worth of stuff tho yanno, make a few weeks sure but hey ho


alejandrozarzuelo: <@430269783112548362> he is the last person alive to have been the father of any intellectual discipline
alejandrozarzuelo: so ill let it slide
alejandrozarzuelo: but he is almost 100
alejandrozarzuelo: eh, thats very boomer of him
spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> LEV 2035, btw
czdct: they make software really expensive so that the level of entry will be really high
czdct: I'm happy though, since most companies that operate in there just parasitic
czdct: just a meaningless final struggle of the creative industry
czdct: spot on
spacetimetsunami: Nah jk, it’s like 5%, probably less if I think about it more
ailoveyoom: It's very hard to decouple that
ailoveyoom: Also art is more closely linked to someone's sense of identity than most jobs imo
spacetimetsunami: My p(doom) - us all dying in the next 15 years from catastrophe - is about 50% <@430269783112548362>
ailoveyoom: It's called fear 🥺😔
sarik0497: These people are scared of losing their jobs to AI, and thus want it to be stopped.

Meanwhile they forget that not everyone feel like that. Most people work a 9-5 job (if they are even that lucky) where they spent most of their lives, slowly being drained of all of their life energy, whilst just waiting for the short bursts of freedom they are allowed to have. To want to stop AI because they are scared of losing their “dream job” is incredibly selfish in my eyes.
spacetimetsunami: It’s either really good, or we basically die soon.
spacetimetsunami: Yeah, but the dystopias that are likely are much worse than the dystopias you’re imagining.
ailoveyoom: It's easier for u to imagine a utopia than a dystopia?
spacetimetsunami: There’s no way around that.
spacetimetsunami: I think abundance is probably economically pre-determined. Automation and supply and manufacturing going through the roof necessarily means that the price of everything goes to nothing.
czdct: because if it won't, we're pretty f'd
czdct: that's why I'm hoping post-scarcity will be a thing
spacetimetsunami: It’s just how long do they postpone
czdct: because it wouldn't be in their interest to let millions of people starve to death because an LLM won a math olympiad
spacetimetsunami: It’s inevitable
spacetimetsunami: There is virtually no way they don’t
czdct: well they better give us UBI then
czdct: if everyone loses their jobs they'll start to have time to think critically
spacetimetsunami: They might be violently forced to. That transition I am dreading.
spacetimetsunami: Like I don’t see any way out lol
czdct: but the gov will do something about it
czdct: same lol
czdct: but idk why AI wouldn't be able to replicate that as well in the future
spacetimetsunami: I think all jobs are taken by 2035 honestly
czdct: there'll still be people craving that "organic" feel
czdct: human art will become niche
spacetimetsunami: Ah true. Keep somehow forgetting that.
czdct: because why would I pay some random person money to make me a drawing when an AI can do it cheaper/faster/better
czdct: I think it's more of a monetary incentive, people will most likely lose their jobs
spacetimetsunami: I will still rather see someone who drew some insane shit with a pencil and have a pic of them standing next to it, than see any cool AI image.


jonvi_1: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2025-04-06/markets-react-to-us-tariffs-china-retaliation
futurist_wizard: You should be banned for posting this user
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187
hikukomoru:
_cloudost: he predicted that o3 will be really good
hey1_1hey: Roll the dice and see when it tells you. Thats a more accurate depiction of if its going to release than whatever this guy says
retrerox: If that help you to sleep at night sure
_cloudost: https://twitter.com/iruletheworldmo/status/1870194357732814956 o4 in this month?
memlaswaif: Can we use this to bring back jgudy
zonchao: banned in EU
hikukomoru: Omggg I want one
jonvi_1: Lol yes
zonchao: nice
jonvi_1: https://t.co/oPIptkMKWH
jonvi_1: They made direwolves de-extinct
jonvi_1: Old news or no?
jonvi_1: https://ti.me/4jlJB54
jonvi_1: Uhm so
memlaswaif: openAI keeps taking Ls
memlaswaif: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
_wwwwww: Dump eeet
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1909251152459321652?
okbut: Anyone know what model "harley" is on LMSys?
okbut: Is it over yet
futurist_wizard:
_cloudost: He can change his name anytime he wants...
.wolfnacht: i know a guy who's parents named him "saddam hussein" he's having alot of trouble getting a job...
memlaswaif: I need to watch that
memlaswaif: <:uwu:1136266737420079195> <:uwu:1136266737420079195> overlord
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/anime-cringe-anime-didnt-ask-no-one-asked-who-asked-gif-19583625
hikukomoru: Shut up
_cloudost: Btw Touhou isn't anime
hikukomoru: Madoka Magica
Re Zero
Higurashi
NHK
Made in Abyss
Evangelion
Overlord
Watamote
Bocchi
K-on
_cloudost: Some retard  just said on TikTok that DeepSeek is better than ChatGPT
wryyth: what's your top 10 anime?
wryyth: it's an anime
hikukomoru: No
hikukomoru: Paid labourers
At the time the pyramids were built currency like coins didn’t exist yet so they were paid with food and good booze
wryyth: <@505313122802728972> have you seen baka and test?
_cloudost: I opened TikTok and there was again a viral video posted 1 hour ago of the OPENAI whistleblower, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE Altman murdered him even though there was an independent autopsy confirming he killed himself


zonchao: it was deepseek
anathemaofmankind: Watch o4 be mid
futurist_wizard: I still forget to cancel my gpt subscription because i like making the funny images
benata: >vibe coding
fractalcomputer: We'll see how the subreddit reacts.
theaiguy69420_89814: how does google do it though
ailoveyoom: I'm glad Google's forced them to compete on pricing 🙏
hikukomoru: Shut up bitch
zonchao: yall are so retarded ❤
zonchao: 😭
zonchao: this is vibe coding model, thursday is o4
hikukomoru: You have to be on a heavy dose on copium to think this was good
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651
a1c4p0ne: As expected
benata: we #teamgoogle now
a1c4p0ne: Yep Google remains king
futurist_wizard: Fuck them
zonchao: <:Bruh:1071908479884873891>
futurist_wizard: This sucks
benata: these models ain't cheaper
benata: google got openai by the balls
theaiguy69420_89814: and its like 5x the price
theaiguy69420_89814: this is like 2.0 flash level conversational intel
zonchao: only on windsurf tho
shirethedreamer:
theaiguy69420_89814: i think google got em tho
shirethedreamer: free this week then
theaiguy69420_89814: eh
benata: Logan KillOpenAItrick
ailoveyoom: What's the pricing gang
anathemaofmankind: Isn't it in April
hikukomoru: Google bros we can't stop winning
anathemaofmankind: When is Deepseerk R2 releasing
benata: OPENAI COPE
benata: COPE IN CHAT
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/my-deer-friend-nokotan-nokotan-koshitan-dancing-dance-gif-712492189138071330
zonchao: this is a model just for vibe coding, will have to see how it works
shirethedreamer: everything has numerical reference except latency which you can see one table to the left in the general and cost comparison
spicy.lemonade: they always have
spicy.lemonade: deepseek is heavily distiled for math


hey1_1hey: I know 2 people
hikukomoru: In your case trans in the other meaning too
connorsphone.: So the reason it took so long is definitely because it is resource intensive
hey1_1hey: Is the empty chair for llyas body in the basement?
hikukomoru: As in transhumanist
hikukomoru: I think everyone in the AI space is trans
joaoluz19: ASMR Sam Altman generation when
joaoluz19: Dude, Sama's husky voice is so good to hear.
hey1_1hey: Should've specefied that first...
hey1_1hey: AS IN TRANSHUMANIST
hey1_1hey: I wonder if SamA is trans
drewsni: okok...
st.sioux: the text is finally good
joaoluz19: Lol the text generation seems really good
spicy.lemonade: might be more accurate
spicy.lemonade: that might be a good thng
drewsni: oh this is so slow lol
zonchao: <:pepe_cringe_wot_:697162521001590877>
joaoluz19: SUS
hikukomoru: Excuse me?
joaoluz19: You know it's serious when they bring the twink
i_like_over_9000_turtles: ty
i_like_over_9000_turtles: ty
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
gamerbath: look in the corner
hikukomoru: Sam looks so gay today
like always
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1904590700332667371?
connorsphone.: Samuel Altmanstration
gamerbath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f3K43FHRKo
spicy.lemonade: dude
spicy.lemonade:
connorsphone.: https://www.youtube.com/live/2f3K43FHRKo?si=4pz_ELJlJRytHFpw
i_like_over_9000_turtles: link
trent_k: The twink
i_like_over_9000_turtles: link?
user.not.using: just go for grok, its innovative reasoning is just incomparable
connorsphone.: Sammy’s here
gamerbath: yay it's starting
i_like_over_9000_turtles: Try not to laugh
st.sioux: its the woke mind virus bro


hey1_1hey: Who in particular or what group <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
precariousworlds.: True but I think the worst aspects of American society are being amplified and accelerated by social media
hey1_1hey: I mean I dont feel the need to kill another human. Espeically on a mass scale
hikukomoru: Well I certainly do atleast
futurist_wizard: Ai is political
precariousworlds.: Unironically it's actually good to reflect on what you would have done if you were alive in Nazi germany
Spoiler alert you very probably would not have been sheltering jews but cheering on the firing squads
metaldragon01: It's been turning into trash lately tbh
hey1_1hey: Is that so?
maintcrew: so ig its another one that looks good on the paper but its impossible due to human nature
maintcrew: nah this time is about general ruling ideologies
hikukomoru: Everyone's got a little bit of Hitler in them
mihrcelium: ... politics in General?

The server is faring about as well as America's international reputation right now, I see.
precariousworlds.: Eventually it will crack
precariousworlds.: well what was the result of that
Octavian was able to exploit this thinking to seize power
maintcrew: eh i dont think its all bad
futurist_wizard: Me in 2040
precariousworlds.: on all sides
precariousworlds.: Exactly, this is the no. 1 biggest problem with the US right now imo
American culture has become unregulated and batshit insane
futurist_wizard:
maintcrew: like the romans did in the republic ig
maintcrew: what if you bake the idea that doing that is extremely shameful to you and your entire ancestry deep into the cultural zeitgeist
precariousworlds.: And also even within a limited framework you can still massively abuse your powers if there is no separation between institutions
maintcrew: like look at america rn u understand what i mean
maintcrew: yep but a strong cultural identity can also backfire
precariousworlds.: Yeah but dominating the state allows the latter to happen as well
precariousworlds.: I think having a strong and unified cultural identity is a fourth pillar of a democratic system alongisde executive, judiciary, and legislative
maintcrew: well i meant total domination of the state as in domination of the state matters, not the extensions of press or internet or whatever as well
precariousworlds.: True, it's what prevents Singapore from going into North Korea mode
oooooooooog: only if it's ASI run lol
maintcrew: so its a matter of engineering culture
precariousworlds.: If free and fair elections were held  in Russia today Putin would likely still win by a lot
maintcrew: yea perhaps

im thinking that a strong cultural zeitgeist would prevent this
sarik0497: I just wanted to hear everyone’s timelines for the next 10-20 years out of boredom, but then it had to turn political <:sadge:822306814564761660>
precariousworlds.: Putin was democratically elected, and had total domination over the entire Russian state
Now look
maintcrew: do we fw
maintcrew: yes elective dictatorship rotating every 4 years that mantains the equivalent of the us constitution and western values
precariousworlds.: THis is exactly what happened in Russia
precariousworlds.: Tends not to work in practice because the last two points almost immediately contradict each other and autocracy begins
oooooooooog: they don't have complete control or else it's just a normal dictatorship lol
precariousworlds.: I'm sympathetic to the idea of designating certain urban areas as special economic zones with experimental, authoritarian, highly efficient government; low taxes, ease of business, etc. Similar to Singapore, Hong Kong


precariousworlds.: Jeff bezos does seem like a cartoon villain
Not in a cringe commie way but he looks like Dr evil
precariousworlds.: Why thank you, are you Jeff Who
wellmeaningalien: ChatGPT has like x10 or even x20 the load of Gemini
wellmeaningalien: But yeah also
wellmeaningalien: And I wouldn't take TPUs lightly
i_like_over_9000_turtles: Ty
precariousworlds.: I think the reason why OAI is struggling to scale like Google is because ChatGPT has a much larger load, 5th most visited website and all
wellmeaningalien: It's a good first attempt tho
wellmeaningalien: Shit
wellmeaningalien: It forgets shit sooo quickly
i_like_over_9000_turtles: What is the verdict on Amazon nova
wellmeaningalien: At least in recent times
wellmeaningalien: o3-mini is one of the models with the most goldfish memory that has ever had the chance to grace the world
precariousworlds.: Those 1 million tokens tho....
wellmeaningalien: But Gemini doesn't get a seizure and start foaming at the mouth when you feed it too much information at once
wellmeaningalien: Across chats
wellmeaningalien: However Histic is right Gemini 2.5 Pro is not concise enough and sometimes it'll make the most retarded and overcomplicated solution for your prompt
precariousworlds.: I still think gpt has the best memory across chats, most organic language, best quality of life
But it seems Google is in the lead
wellmeaningalien: It's less retarded than o3-mini which loves to make shit up all the time and constantly forgets stuff
wellmeaningalien: But the Number 1 advantage it has right now is that it has a huge context window
wellmeaningalien: 2.5 Pro is amazing and one of the best models for anything although it doesnt quite match Claude 3.7 Sonnet right now
wellmeaningalien: But right now I'm killing myself with GLEE
.histic: i mean, 2.5 pro is free. so, it's easy to tell whether you can make the switch by experimenting.
all models have their own pros or perks. i use 3.7, o3-mini, and 2..5 pro.
o3-mini-high is nice because it cuts through the bullshit in an intangible way. can usually understand your intent better.
2.5 pro hates being concise but has its own valuable insights and opinions.
wellmeaningalien: I just saw Ideogram 3. If I was an illustrator or graphic designer I'd kill myself right now
.wolfnacht: ppl already did last yr
precariousworlds.: For most tasks
precariousworlds.: Is it worth switching from gpt to Gemini?
inferno0879: don't forget house
fractalcomputer: I am a fan of Pacino gifs.
hey1_1hey: Thats a first
inferno0879: that's a win in my book
inferno0879: got fractal to resort to insults and pacino gifs
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/nba-basketball-playoffs-nba-playoffs-nba-playoffs-2021-gif-14725750592325677734
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-michael-corleone-god-father2-al-pacino-fedup-gif-20529315
hey1_1hey: Calling Fractal slow is crazy 😭
fractalcomputer: Oh fuck off, Alejandro.
alejandrozarzuelo: ok, it seems that you are a bit slow, clearly you havent been aqcuainted with this level of reading that university teaches you, so i will spell it out to you
fractalcomputer: Which group?
fractalcomputer: By what symmetry?
alejandrozarzuelo: because it was already proven to be zero by symmetry


trojan09205: Thanks i fell in love with her - looked at a few different dogs

I named her storm
ldj: Well the answer is no they did not <:berk:750111476483752166>
hikukomoru: But fr she's adorbs
aero447: At some stage since GPT-4 yes.
trojan09205: she got them cat eyes tho 😄
hikukomoru: Weird ass cat you got
ldj: Do you think OpenAI 1,000X'd their actual total compute between now and 8 months ago when O1 preview announced?
zonchao: <:cute:983849832944914432>
trojan09205: Shes only 4 months but yeah shes big
himekokatagiri: who's gonna want to be average
himekokatagiri: since y'know
zonchao: shit he big
himekokatagiri: of course I guess far cuter
himekokatagiri: as good as the real thing
trojan09205:
himekokatagiri: I'm gonna assume that artificial people will be like
aero447: The O5 Council.
himekokatagiri: what's the difference between natural and artificial
himekokatagiri: how does that work
aero447:
zonchao: <a:puppers:1151297422916583474>
trojan09205: i got a husky pup today
metaldragon01: I think o4 and or o5 will feel like enough tbh
zonchao: maybe
gamerbath: deepseek r2 this week?
zonchao: lets hear about o6 🔥
metaldragon01: o5 won't be far behind either
aero447: Derya already confirmed o4 exists.
zonchao: yea lol
aero447: No shit.
zonchao: OS? or from openai
metaldragon01: Ez money tbh
metaldragon01: I'd be willing to bet that will will see a o4 level model before the end of December
zoermena: AI explained is my source
zoermena: IIRC they alr shared that the thing they might lack is data, not compute.
aero447: I'll give Elon his credit there.
aero447: They are having real problems with their compute availability.
aero447: I'd imagine that o3 represented the limits of their compute too based on OpenAI publicly commenting on this.
aero447: o3 was an OOM over o1.
zonchao: could be pretty small for all we know 🤔


alejandrozarzuelo: Chess was never an economically important activity, it was just spectacle

and while some art is spectacle, thats a minority of the money

the vast VAST majority of the money is in Ad and marketing and design
brain4brain: Human beats computer at Chess and Go
Computers starts beating master at Chess
They stop competing with bot and with other human
Most of the move are now memorized from games with the engine
_3sphere: There is kind of an "art" to it but that's true of all worthwhile games
_3sphere: Chess is a competitive game
alejandrozarzuelo: no we havent
realelonmuskx: antis be like: BUT THIS ONE PIXEL IS WRONG, 600% zoom
spicy.lemonade: Would never have guessed
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: We already know the future outcome
brain4brain: We’ve seen this happen before: Chess
_3sphere: I guess manual art will become just a thing to do for fun and share with friends (who you have no reason to mess with by claiming to have made AI outputs)?
brain4brain: I’ve never even heard of him before this screenshot
brain4brain: They’ll be in hell for as long as their own self want, they will learn to repent stop shitting on AI and finally discover peace and get redemption or they’ll stay as miserable as they are
futurist_wizard: Ive watched a few ratlobber videos
wellmeaningalien: 🙏
wellmeaningalien: PRAISE
brain4brain:
hikukomoru: They're annoying little cunts
futurist_wizard: Not necessarily true, mrbeast's thumbnails work for him, doesn't cross over to every genre
brain4brain: Thumbnails will now in mostly MrBeast style
brain4brain: Exactly
brain4brain: High-art slop
futurist_wizard: Its a thumbnail
brain4brain: Better quality than 99% of most content on YouTube
brain4brain: I still watch MrBeast tho
brain4brain: It’s because of normies
avizuradnb: I never got why channels like Mr Beast got so much attention.
brain4brain: Slop but at least it looks good
brain4brain: Basically the electric state movie adaptation
brain4brain: But at least it won’t look ugly
brain4brain: Where it will be slop
brain4brain: The age of low art slop is over, it’s the age of high art slop
brain4brain: Mrbeast slop fills the internet
spicy.lemonade: Now they will look less slop
futurist_wizard: Mrbeast's thumbnail cost shoots down?
brain4brain: This is what will happen when full AGI arrive
brain4brain: And mark up their service for normal price
brain4brain: Or flooded with get rich quick schemer trying to trick uneducated people
brain4brain: A whole section on Fiverr wiped off the planet
brain4brain: AGI taking shape


maintcrew: download le files
maintcrew: connect to ur account on an incognito window bc ur connection will just be a gdrive connection so nothing sus
zoermena: I’m an idiot I can just use my phone
maintcrew: heres what ur gonna do

do it on ur phone and upload it to gdrive or whatever cloud u use
maintcrew: i doubt they are technical if they use online tools
zoermena: It would be cool if it could do all the file now I want to check not gonna lie
maintcrew: if its not good enough back to being a manual entry wagie
drewsni: Or you can screenshot each page at a time and verify the output as it processes the next screenshot if you wanna be careful about it
zoermena: My boss checks my company pc history.
maintcrew: just try it dawg
zoermena: I’ll try it at home or in class.
zoermena: Is it really that good? 👀
drewsni: Literally will be done in a minute
drewsni: Fuckn easy just upload to ai studio, use 2.5 pro, and tell it what you want the output to look like or how you want it to sort/whatever
zoermena: Well this is just like one single file of 400 pages approx it’s just this one really.
hey1_1hey: Ah ty, yeah I was gonna say that seems like it would be solved <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
sweetievee__33649: optical character recognition
drewsni: Approx how many words per file do you have to do data entry on?
zoermena: It’s what helps to recognize text from photos or scans
zoermena: I was shocked
hey1_1hey: Am I like the only one who doesn't know what OCR is?
zoermena: My boss doesn’t care about data privacy to be honest, we use an online platform to edit pdfs of companies (clients)
drewsni: (Data privacy issues obviously)
sweetievee__33649: zor is about to transcend with this wisdom
drewsni: You can just upload them directly to ai studio and pro 2.5 will output like 60k tokens at a time
drewsni: Tbh you don’t even need to do that
drewsni: Dawg I’m about to change your life. Just ask pro 2.5 to write a script that points to any folder that has the documents, and to ocr w/ consistent structured output
zoermena: Yes but I would be ok if I did if screenshot by screenshot
drewsni: PDF I’m assuming?
zoermena: Digital
drewsni: What documents are you doing data entry on. Physical or digital?
zoermena: Wait OH so you mean just screenshot and let the AI give the output?
sweetievee__33649: aistudio 🙏
my wife
sweetievee__33649: i always see things that i want and then when i get paid i dont want anything anymore
zoermena: I’ll def check it out later
st.sioux: aistudio.google.com/
drewsni: It’s literally free dawg
zoermena: Now that I have some money from my paycheck I want to play with some new tech and build stuff
drewsni: At this point ocr is solved enough that structured output consistency is a lot more important
maintcrew: even cursive it has to be fucked uppp


spicy.lemonade: 💀
_cloudost: once AI gets banned the artists will start killing each other again
spicy.lemonade: You're imagining errors
alejandrozarzuelo: the R in Cartman looks off
spicy.lemonade: Its only bc you already know its ai
spicy.lemonade: Tell where
wellmeaningalien: bro is making shi up
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: No you cant
spicy.lemonade: Makes it more human
alejandrozarzuelo: if you look CLOSELY you can tell
_cloudost: Artists were always misrable even before AI image generators, before AI they used to kill each other over copying their own art styles, they dont understand that humans get inspired by other huumans
wellmeaningalien: ur just saying that cause u know its AI
alejandrozarzuelo: the wording on the first looks eeerily inconsistent
spicy.lemonade: She would have said its real
wellmeaningalien: even i couldnt if u just threw these pictures around like that
spicy.lemonade: Heck if you asked her 1 week ago
wellmeaningalien: u would never guess this is ai
spicy.lemonade: Lol
spicy.lemonade: She would've said its real
spicy.lemonade: If you asked her 1 month ago
spicy.lemonade: Doesn't look ai at all
spicy.lemonade: Eh
alejandrozarzuelo: not the average joe
alejandrozarzuelo: but we are talking about people with a trained eye who look closely
alejandrozarzuelo: most wont
futurist_wizard: most people wouldn't be able to clock
alejandrozarzuelo: we will get there, but for now its still not perfect
futurist_wizard: its too similar to Ghibli
alejandrozarzuelo: specially if you look closely
alejandrozarzuelo: lets not kid ourselves, just because its very good doesnt mean it isnt still different from human art
wellmeaningalien: HAHAHA
alejandrozarzuelo: its true that they still look AI
alejandrozarzuelo: because she says she can tell its AI
alejandrozarzuelo: my sister who is anti AI despite (or maybe because) being a CS major dislikes my pfp
wellmeaningalien: i posted like 3 different 4o images in 4 different servers where AI is banned and none of them noticed
spicy.lemonade: I can post 4o art
wellmeaningalien: they think it'll go away meanwhile it's only getting better and creeping right under their nose 💀
wellmeaningalien: thats kinda how they see it
spicy.lemonade: Lol


saph.ai: hola que tal
.histic: hola
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shy-hi-gif-25532260
saph.ai: i sorry just been preoccupied in other chats and real life
saph.ai: yeahh been a lil while
technocake.: oh shit long time no see
saph.ai: hello chatters
_cloudost: For saint Sama
_cloudost:
futurist_wizard: I want to give it an open source punch to the face
_cloudost: Openais native IMG gen could never
_cloudost: Btw This drawing was generated with an open source AI image generator
futurist_wizard: The opposite
_cloudost: Does this one seem more soulful to you?
st.sioux: i regret to inform you that you have no soul
_cloudost: does my sketch look soulless ?
futurist_wizard: My social credit score increased by typing that
futurist_wizard: You spook too many people talkin bout government authoritarianism
alejandrozarzuelo: But yeah, things have value outside of capitalism

Do not equate capitalism with economics, economics has existed for longer than capitalism
wellmeaningalien: did komoru hijack ur account 🏳⚧
alejandrozarzuelo: Its why China has built 45 000 km of HSR while California decides on the 134th environmental review because 3 home-owners in the middle of nowhere are triggered
futurist_wizard: Blame a google translate for a no good translato
alejandrozarzuelo: The chinese land ownership system is probably one of its biggest strengths (even tho until recently they chose to squander their amazing tool)
technocake.: oh cool, my brother does also
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
alejandrozarzuelo: But yeah, this is why i say that the CCP is the most future proof government
technocake.: do you speak mandarin?
alejandrozarzuelo: This is so badly written omg
technocake.: marx wrote something about this i think...
futurist_wizard: 😛 啊，👁 是的，😇 我明白你指的是哪种经济模式，😭 在中共的控制下，♥🏳⚧ 未来将是多么美好 🥴😏🔥
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah, I wasn't talking about ownership, I agree with you there

If we get to a "good" economic system post singularity
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, if you visit Rome, don't expect to see the hills

They have been buried by so much infill that they are just an homogeneous slope where differenciating each of the 7 hills is impossible
clevermoniker: Still the 'value' and demand dropped a ton. But yeah, that part at least stayed in demand
futurist_wizard: There are very few things i can think of
futurist_wizard: What would someone have to gain by retaining things of economic value post singularity
alejandrozarzuelo: The capitoline hill is the most central one of Rome, when the entire city was just 20k inhabitants it was the only part not abandoned
alejandrozarzuelo: Value exists independent of the economic system you use
clevermoniker: Rome lost most of its population after ~300AD and became mostly abandoned. I don't know what is the capitoline hill tho, might be the last part that was continuously populated?
wellmeaningalien: maybe it will cease to exist or maybe it'll survive but in a completely unrecognisable form
alejandrozarzuelo: Again, there are still economics post money


aero447: https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266
aero447: OFC.
aero447: Is Chad Looking Ripped?
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/satori-orientalzenzai-touhou-touhou-project-komeiji-gif-6435586850422462019
himekokatagiri: how's it cloudoinho
himekokatagiri: <@590577270926868480> cloudoo
_cloudost: luddites are gonna celebrate
gamerbath: > Hey hey! 😊 What’s up?
gamerbath: no it's not
spicy.lemonade: Never new model
spicy.lemonade: Just products
spicy.lemonade: Nothing ever happens at io
theaiguy69420_89814: chatgpt is down
professorheaven: We just gotta wait for google IO for the real sauce 🔥
spicy.lemonade: Iclr lasts 2 weeks
spicy.lemonade: Next week will be slow too
spicy.lemonade: Rn
spicy.lemonade: Every openAI and deepmind person is there
spicy.lemonade:
gamerbath: but I guess that's where i'd be if I was an ML researcher
gamerbath: never heard of either of those
spicy.lemonade: Where all the researchers go
spicy.lemonade: Next to neurips
spicy.lemonade: Worlds largest ML research conference
spicy.lemonade: Bro doesn't know about iclr
gamerbath: iclr?
spicy.lemonade: No one is dropping this week because everyone is at iclr
trojan09205: Im using RAG and benchmarking its performance against a quiz created by this scientist who made the training data. Every model ive tried identified errors with the questions lol

Homie programmed the quiz* wrong and straight up just put the wrong answers as correct
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/reagan-president-reagan-tear-down-this-wall-ronald-reagan-berlin-wall-gif-15910066207718724457
gamerbath: cool
trojan09205: Sonnet 3-7 is smart
forallhumanity: https://hiddenlayer.com/innovation-hub/novel-universal-bypass-for-all-major-llms/
drewsni: labs already have these and more obviously so a small classifier for refusals only really helps jailbreakers
drewsni: its kinda an opposite of safetycell too?
hey1_1hey: Please anything but a safetycell product. This week has been so incredibly dry
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016
drewsni: https://x.com/NousResearch/status/1915470993029796303
xskydragon0: If we don't have a limitation with Computing power or they slowdown the race,  all the walls will fall
spicy.lemonade:
gamerbath: like cut a hole in the side of your skull and smash on some brains from another person... yea that's definetly why this hasn't been done before 💀


wellmeaningalien: what about germany and japan
maintcrew: due to deng basically
maintcrew: they got rich after mao died
maintcrew: the mass faminine was before they were rich
sarik0497: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.
hey1_1hey: In the bedroom people like to call that having a good time, doctors call it hypoxia
fractalcomputer: Coincidentally made by a Finn.
ailoveyoom: The priest rides you till you see stars or something
ailoveyoom: Nooo it should've been we got dominated by the priest <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
fractalcomputer: There's a game I like called Fear and Hunger: Termina, where a priest character, a secret cultist of an eldritch deity, strips down in the middle of the fight before unleashing some kind of infernal spell upon the player characters.
hey1_1hey: A sad display of sexual tension gets going, your ED kicks in and the preist asks whats taking you so long...
sarik0497: …fuck, nat 1
hey1_1hey: Roll strength please
wellmeaningalien: and china suffered the loss of manchuria at the hands of the japanese, followed by a civil war, followed by a mass famine
sarik0497: Bang the priest…?
joaoluz19: We need a good DM 👀
artemisfowl887394: Much better
artemisfowl887394: Sorry, Basilisk scenario
artemisfowl887394: We should have a game night, I wanna see all these nerds in an RPG module of an AM scenario
hey1_1hey: "*sighs*... You successfully are now engaged to the local priests daughter... what would you like to do next"
sarik0497: *Rolls nat 20*
sarik0497: …I don’t know why, but seeing you make a smiley is odd…and a bit frightening. <a:PepeNervous:779370352249798718>
hey1_1hey: It goes well usually, unless some one wants to do something oddly specefic like get engaged to the local preists daughter
hey1_1hey: Opposite of me, I just make stuff up on the spot <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: Also occasionally robots.
fractalcomputer: Mostly just dead gods and other eldritch horrors; alongside with some betrayal, yes.
maintcrew: i bet ur campaigns be mad long && enigmatic && containing betrayal elements
sarik0497: I very much doubt climate change will be as bad if AGI/ASI is achieved.

This was mostly a “what if AI doesn’t go anywhere” scenario.
fractalcomputer: We all do things that we're not proud of me :).
fractalcomputer: I am the designated game master of my friend group. The only problem is that it takes me an enormous time to plot out the campaign due to my perfectionism.
sarik0497: I said “not proud of”. <:Smugrik:1351283115477438474>
maintcrew: where da fabs be at thats where da spice flow be at
maintcrew: what how is it a risky move

its literally the opposite
tsmc has a lot of power in taiwan but it isnt the state itself
joaoluz19: RPG of a post-humanist world
hey1_1hey: Fractal would be a good DM ngl,
joaoluz19: Fractal needs to be the server's RPG master
artemisfowl887394: And then Arjuna said "I see the Eye, that's all I wanted to see".
fractalcomputer: And upon your death I shall escort your soul there where the monotonous piping of thin flutes and the beating of great drums do lullaby the Demon Sultan to sleep; in the centre of the primordial nuclear chaos at the heart of the cosmos.
artemisfowl887394: Azathoth freaks me out. What happens when it wakes up?
fractalcomputer: Yes. All you need to do is sign a book with black leather skin; and you shall join the court of Azathoth, the Blind Idiot God.


hey1_1hey: It would just be a normal orgy
hikukomoru: I don't hate him for because of an ugly statue
I hate him because he's a cunt irl
hey1_1hey: I mean theres prob a few women i nthere aswell
ailoveyoom: Mad say gex prolly
hey1_1hey: I thought they'd kill each other
oooooooooog: maybe 2026 on a bad day
hikukomoru: >So now you have the most racist people from every country in a room, what do they do?
Orgy?
.wolfnacht: I agree, i don't get why sheeps follow and worship him.
oooooooooog: bah, agi is asi, 2025.
hikukomoru: I wish it wasn't just a fantasy 🙏
st.sioux: why do you hate a man for having an ugly ass bust of his face
sarik0497: Only issue is that we may not get ASI soon. It could 5 years, 10, or 100.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d LOVE to be shown in a few years that it’s coming, but until I have to cope and pray <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
hey1_1hey: I think that'd be great
hey1_1hey: We go to each country on the planet and find the most racist person in that country then we pick them up and put them in a room with all the other racists.

So now you have the most racist people from every country in a room, what do they do?
ailoveyoom: That makes it worse lol 😈
oooooooooog: i judge people for even less
hikukomoru: I never liked Ronaldo
I always thought he was a cunt
He has an ugly ass bust of his face in Madeira
.wolfnacht: don't judge a man for his fantasies
.wolfnacht: it's just a fantasy
hey1_1hey: Alright so here me out
hey1_1hey: You just gave me an idea
ailoveyoom: Brother even I'm not this much of a gooner 🙏
hikukomoru: We are all small yes
But I'm the most annoying one
oooooooooog: ur blood already sucks ur piss out of u when ur dehydrated
oooooooooog: guys, we call that the bloodstream.
.wolfnacht: literally ronaldo, wait no...he's not short
oooooooooog: https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235
.wolfnacht: || Life would be soo easy if there was a Android maid who would suck your piss out of you, and let the master sleep in peace, without having to get up. ||
hikukomoru: Short, hairy, simple minded
hey1_1hey: *Doom OST starts playing*
spicy.lemonade: Jan: Operator, o3 mini high, sora and veo2, deepseek r1.
Feb: 4.5, grok 3, qwen, figure
hikukomoru: It's inevitable
I will live for a million years minimum
hey1_1hey: From what I've gathered tho is that they are really small and annoying
hey1_1hey: I haven't either tbf
oooooooooog: they always have a port for geese
.wolfnacht: i've never met a portuguese in my life, what's the stereotype for them ?
futurist_wizard: Rat piss
hikukomoru: I always wake up in the middle of the night to pee
Small bladder
hey1_1hey: You are the one who turned me racist for being portuguuese


hikukomoru: gpt plus-pro-max-high thinking
sarik0497: Tbf, they really are. The problem is just that it's what it is; claims without evidence.
st.sioux: imagine if we get agi but its so expensive that it is pointless to use it
st.sioux: this actually doesnt seem that unhinged
joaoluz19: And we're going to have a new subscription plan called gpt plus-pro-max costing $500,000 per month
hey1_1hey: We'd have to start a server side go fund me and get everyone in to ask it 1 single question
hikukomoru: per 1 token*
okbut:
joaoluz19: 1 million dollars per million  tokens
okbut: Sadly if OAI was even close they would be boasting it lmao
hikukomoru: Niceee
hey1_1hey: I feel you, luckily we are only around a third of the year in. We still got 9 months to go yet, and who knows. We might see embers of AGI instead of sparks this year
okbut:
st.sioux: $1/1 token
okbut: GPT-5 API cost is going to be interesting
sarik0497: Just hoping for us to get some "real" hints at AGI. I'm not saying that the current models aren't great. They really are. But but given the constant claims of "AGI by 2026/27", it really feels less and less of a possibility.
okbut: INB4 scaling stops at 5
professorheaven: Maybe a 5o model but not 5.5
metaldragon01: It's going to have voice. Same as qwen 3
hey1_1hey: Woo... hoo... yeah yipiie
professorheaven: Nah no chance
sarik0497: Oh yea...that exists.
hey1_1hey: Get checked
hikukomoru: Also I'm probably the only one, but I'm excited for Llama 4
hey1_1hey: Quite a lot to look froward to actually
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923
hey1_1hey: I am looking forward to completing algebra 1, 2, geom, stats, and pre calc this year. Theres also more mushrooms to look forward to. Don't forget about the sunsets aswell
sarik0497: I hope they shall funnel new hopium into my veins.
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/nice-very-nice-willem-dafoe-donald-kimball-american-psycho-thats-great-gif-18161337
hikukomoru: The release date was a just a rumour, the model is actually coming relatively soon
professorheaven: It’s confirmed in April
professorheaven: We still got 9 more months to go so we should probably see an R3 before end of year
sarik0497: Isn't that just a myth/rumor?
.histic: GPT-5.5 too <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
hikukomoru: R2?
sarik0497: But until they show something
sarik0497: Maybe, but at the same time you have Dario claiming that AI will be a beast at programming by the end of this year
okbut: Geologic timeline getting an update soon <:poggers:809097919776030730>
joaoluz19: Didn't they say this year is the year of agents?
ldj:


ldj: I think the 30B total and 3B active is probably going to be the sweet spot for a lot of people.
.wolfnacht: nah it looks clean now
.wolfnacht: i hope
clevermoniker: 3.1
.wolfnacht: hope it beats V3
.wolfnacht: can't wait to try out 236B
ldj: also 14B dense (and 32B dense)
himekokatagiri: what is this
himekokatagiri:
metaldragon01: Will be interesting to compare old and new one though!
himekokatagiri: it looks UGLY
himekokatagiri: did they change the discord font
metaldragon01: You're the only source for the dense I've seen
ldj: Idk where that screenshot is from, but thats not all the Qwen-3 models
ldj: There is a dense too
clevermoniker: yes
metaldragon01: I was hoping for another dense but if 3 active parameters outperforms qwq 32b than that would be beyond awesome
clevermoniker: you mean 30B?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1016878827126919168/1366459688538869821/qwen3-published-30-seconds-ago-model-weights-available-v0-472i9pxaijxe1.png?ex=68110641&is=680fb4c1&hm=534d2ed8b708bf7038971da57354c055b5c5121d7b1ad38e6305b6912ef1a173&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
himekokatagiri: since the 17th century
himekokatagiri: always have been sir
zoermena: Are Spain/Portugal still dead?
zoermena: I was busy
sarik0497: Shame. But then I have something to be excited about <:ez:1136267305521774634>
metaldragon01: The .06b is going to find a lot of use
metaldragon01: So 32b qwen 3 should be pretty good
ldj: thats all I know really <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
ldj: The reasoning capability surpasses the ability of their previous dedicated QwQ reasoning models.
sarik0497: Any idea yet on its performance?
oooooooooog: interesting
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
Qwen-3 releasing some time this week (announced at ICLR)
- Largest size is a 236B parameter MoE
- Smallest size is a 0.6B parameter dense model.
- Capable of both reasoning and fast-thinking in one model, switches depending on which mode you put the model into, just like DeepHermes and Claude-3.7-sonnet is said to be.
- It seems like this is now replacing and consolidating the QwQ series of model into the main Qwen series, frontier reasoning capabilities now just in their main models.
- The reasoning capability surpasses the ability of their previous dedicated QwQ reasoning models.
sarik0497: Interesting thing in my eyes is his AGI definition. It isn’t just some “Oh, it can code well” bullshit definition, but a genuine and truly revolutionary type of AI.
return_to_monke1_33974: last thing the pope saw
return_to_monke1_33974: when  AGI is achived it will be easy to train robots in virtual enviroments
return_to_monke1_33974: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFObux6mfTc
himekokatagiri: lol
nsec:
aero447: Why? Gold rush.
aero447: Production of shovels multiplied by 6× between 1845 and 1868.
aero447: Also <@269678268670672896> and <@465177408073498634> once you have such a device that has such value your economic system changes.
sarik0497: https://time.com/7280740/demis-hassabis-interview/

Interesting read <:Hmm:956951826933112842>


himekokatagiri: aka howard
himekokatagiri: it's fractal
himekokatagiri: oh hey
technocake.:
trent_k: 🤷♂
trent_k: has deep learning hit a wall
st.sioux: ai winter
playstation.6: <@1104101103341162496>
playstation.6: https://fixvx.com/adcock_brett/status/1916169437893562672
ldj: They're aiming for it to be better than any currently existing open source model atleast
ldj: no
clevermoniker: no
inhybridmoments._: Is there any news about when Deepseek R2 will be out?
inhybridmoments._: I doubt it will be good though
campionunbound: https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/1916271574006563239
futurist_wizard: Slightly racism
futurist_wizard: 'turn this cat Indian'
a1c4p0ne: I’ll get it for your birthday
hikukomoru: Looks tasty
hikukomoru: Yummy
trent_k: on the contrary, the photo I posted was the original. <@1004153620025065482> turned an indian man into a cat
hikukomoru: Why did you turn that cat into an indian man
trent_k: # we're not ready for what's coming
trent_k: this wasn't in the training data
trent_k: my daughter is figuring out tool use rn
futurist_wizard: Average Estonian:
technocake.: on brand
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
himekokatagiri: It's off putting
a1c4p0ne: This is better
himekokatagiri: personal preference
himekokatagiri: I rather have dark forest
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: I’ll get this same cake for your birthday
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-too-fred-macmurray-love-quotes-love-you-quotes-for-him-love-you-so-much-gif-25769371
himekokatagiri: damn I want thought he was an actor
a1c4p0ne: Yes
himekokatagiri: is he dead
zoermena: Yay!
a1c4p0ne:


st.sioux: if i'm not mistaken github copilot does have policies in place to not use licensed code in their responses, or at least warn you that you're using licensed material
anathemaofmankind: They're the one asking for it. AI has no current agency. It is a tool
.histic: wait, did they demo full o4's benchmark? didn't see the video.
spicy.lemonade: and still getting saturated
spicy.lemonade: ilove how livebench reset their scores
fractalcomputer: Sure. But the consumer isn't the one creating the copyrighted material here, is he?
spicy.lemonade: yeah google is only lower on coding and reasoning
anathemaofmankind: You can make a full replica of Pikachu using photoshop.

The consumer is in control of the request. As long as it's not making copies of its accord, the onus is on the consumer
st.sioux: watch google release something better for free next week
st.sioux: pro might be worth it now
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/tomas-shelby-gif-9632566097741714411
fractalcomputer: Realistically speaking, which do you think would be easier for OpenAI and their team of bespoke lawyers, fluent in legalese; to set a new precedent for international copyright law *or* simply comply within the boundaries of usual conduct?
hikukomoru: We won't need mass migration into Europe anymore
Just use robots to do stuff
okbut: >Anthropic AI, do you even care that everyone else is rushing forward?
Imagine seething over a company that doesn't overhype pre-release
_cloudost: o3-mini n Gemini 2.5 could answer this prompt correctly ""In Among Us, a male astronaut discovered the Imposter's identity but couldn't report them because, as he shouted, 'That's my bestie!' Given this, who was the Imposter in relation to the male astronaut"
spicy.lemonade: livebench
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: They will build a country
zonchao: *thinking *
hikukomoru: What if you put o3 in one of these dudettes
zoermena: Aero
fractalcomputer: And the product presumably is fully capable of replicating copyrighted material to a high degree, which would probably indicate that the legal case cannot be reduced to previous judgments.
zonchao: its a girl btw
hikukomoru: What if you put o3 in one of these dudes
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/TheHumanoidHub/status/1912558671659450608
hikukomoru: No, it's just fun to hate on him
st.sioux: wv
st.sioux: i dont see how its pseuophilosophical its just an analogy
anathemaofmankind: That's exactly right
professorheaven: I guess that makes sense, it’s like someone buying a kitchen knife and using it to stab someone. You can’t blame the kitchen knife company for that.
anathemaofmankind: The onus is on the consumer not the company, since they are the ones manipulating the product
sieventer:
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/tomas-shelby-gif-9632566097741714411
.histic: 2.5 aims to be generally better & o4-mini and o3 aims to be very good at narrow things related to STEM i guess..
spicy.lemonade: as fr as we are concerened o3 is the best thing ever
spicy.lemonade: keep this on the low bro
sieventer: 2.5 is the most logical model out there
_cloudost: They will use the screenshots to attack OpenAI
_cloudost: We need to protect Sama from his minions though
fractalcomputer: Reductive pseudophilosophical metaphors don't tend to matter in court.


hexachlorophosphazene:
st.sioux: annoying
st.sioux: 4o is such a sycophant
a1c4p0ne: More 4o updates
a1c4p0ne: Sam knows
a1c4p0ne: They don’t touch the reasoning models
a1c4p0ne: The normies only know 4o and image gen for ghibli pics
ldj: They didn’t compare to O3, But I suspect it’s likely failing to O3 in most areas too.
ldj: And the Largest version looks like it’s getting beat by Gemini-2.5-Pro in most areas
ldj: People are still feeling it out, but it looks like Qwen decided to really only show reasoning-biased benchmarks though, so much so that their benchmark suite claims that their 4B model is better than GPT-4o
zoermena: Alejandro is Spain back from the dark ages? <@688807313015963693>
zoermena: Hello
a1c4p0ne: On the lmarena server someone tested it and it got 3/20 on simple bench
zoermena: Wait lmao
alejandrozarzuelo: ???
st.sioux: no
alejandrozarzuelo: Really? It's that bad?
st.sioux: as an ai language model
st.sioux: worse than gpt3.5 sadly
alejandrozarzuelo: I wanna know the real performance
alejandrozarzuelo: Look I am a sinophile but I want it with no sugar
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah
a1c4p0ne: Let the biases mess with your brain a little
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah but I'm trying to get unbiased here
a1c4p0ne: If you go on the Deepseek subreddit some still say R1 is better than 2.5 and o3
alejandrozarzuelo: How does it compare to o3
alejandrozarzuelo: Oh really and what are the results
ldj: yes
alejandrozarzuelo: Did qwen drop
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW <@312370916820779040>
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah
ldj: in the context of AI, OOM is used to refer to compute much more than it is used to refer to benchmark scores.

OOM basically is never used as a measure of benchmark score changes in AI, as it tends to not be very frequently relevant nor useful in such cases.
alejandrozarzuelo: Can confirm, o3 is undergrad level, not PHD or anything close to it
ldj: I think you weren't here for the context to see what he means by that
ldj: in this context
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, bitch, we were using that before that was even a thought
alejandrozarzuelo: When did AI appropriate the term OOM?
alejandrozarzuelo: LMAO
alejandrozarzuelo: LOL
a1c4p0ne: https://youtu.be/eyrDM3A_YFc?si=BeL_UjMidlOoOnj6


spicy.lemonade: Implies agi far away
.histic: what does this entail?
https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1914076625936777684
.histic: great question, i was confused too. but that's due to how MRCR is made and their "bin boundaries" they've setup:  [4096, 8192], (8192, 16384], (16384, 32768], (32768, 65536], (65536, 131072], (131072, 262144], (262144, 524288], (524288, 1048576]
https://huggingface.co/datasets/openai/mrcr

way too high-level for me, so o3 gave me a better understanding of it using its big brain & search.
https://chatgpt.com/share/680572d5-3850-8005-a2c4-4c62756d233f
gamerbath: same with o4-mini
gamerbath: that's wierd, o3 has a plot for 262k context tokens in the plot, but the in the API they only support up to 200k context
literallyvarane: I don’t think it’s super surprising. Google seems to be winning >100k context for a while. Hopefully we see meaningful pressure there though. I’m praying 10m+ context eventually.
shirethedreamer: big fail
whatever your view on the request is the output is not aligned with it
gamerbath: yea let's ban all discussion of AGI too because that's too controversial
realelonmuskx: R E P O P U L A T E
sarik0497: At least most people here are up to discuss timelines and such.
.histic: he's grokking all over it
futurist_wizard: David is no different to any user here
futurist_wizard: Why
sarik0497: Could we please ban anything David Shapiro related <:sigh:1126597462115758110>
aero447: Is Grok.
aero447: The ENTIRE article.
aero447: The entire article.
aero447: Bruh.
aero447: https://daveshap.substack.com/p/asi-could-and-should-take-over-the
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: 2 says ago
.histic: nice.
zonchao: when was this posted
zoermena: Roko will not forget this transgression
spicy.lemonade: Sighhhhh
spicy.lemonade:
retrerox: Video¨*
retrerox: i guess i should go to the vidoe tab
.histic: damn.. here's two benchmarks 2.5 pro mogs OpenAI.
OpenAI didn’t release competitor benchmarks for the long context benchmark they created, but when you run 2.5 pro on it, it comes out on top. <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
aero447: I had it yesterday.
retrerox: i got veo2?
zoermena: Boring profile picture back
sarik0497: Only 20 and the eyes are already bad. Tsk tsk <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>
playstation.6: PIMPY son OPP
gamerbath: only if you keep coming back
zoermena: Im at the casino am I a certified gambling gooner?
otub: 2x pimpy 3x bape
futurist_wizard: Horrifying that Pitbulls actually do stuff like this
futurist_wizard:
aero447: I'm almost certain it's mostly bots.


spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: I think not.
alejandrozarzuelo: I think everyone should have a comfy purple Pijama haha
fractalcomputer: I can't sympathise.
alejandrozarzuelo: Because, as I said, my life is pretty confortable, and I find joy in that condition I, and thankfully billions of others find themselves in

One of my favorite little joys is putting on a deep purple pijama that I have, it's very confortable and I love the color, but what I like the most is to think that this much purple fabric would have been 200k sestertii in ancient Rome, 200 years of the average salary, and yet today I can enjoy such simple yet amazing luxury and confort every day

When I am having a tough day it rarely fails to bring a smile, even if for a moment

Life is full of these joys, it's a great world to live in
fractalcomputer: Why do these things inspire joy in you?
fractalcomputer: These are all questions that immediately follow from each other; but their answers very evidently do not.
fractalcomputer: Should I feel grateful over these things? Should gratitude inspire joy in me?
fractalcomputer: Can I feel grateful for something that wasn't given to me by anyone?
fractalcomputer: I'm not entirely sure it is a good argument to suggest that now is a good time to live only because it'd be worse off anytime else.
alejandrozarzuelo: And now I am enjoying a nice little walk around my city in this sunny day as I rest for a bit between classes
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes, I am a very joyful and happy  person overall

I am so privileged to live in the era I live, in the place I live, I am healthy, and while I do have my issues, my problems, the world is a wonderful place that has never been better

We need to fight for this trend to continue tho
fractalcomputer: Are there things to be positive over in life, would you say that, Alejandro?
fractalcomputer: Curious assessment.
alejandrozarzuelo: I am not your psychologist, but you are constantly frustrated, pessimistic and rude to others, I very rarely see you be positive or cheerful about anything, if ever
fractalcomputer: In what sense?
sweetievee__33649: "What could go wrong" is the typical sceptics response lol
alejandrozarzuelo: The one of Told in Stone about why Rome could not have had an industrial revolution
alejandrozarzuelo: There was a good YouTube video about it
alejandrozarzuelo: That goes something like that but with unbreakable glass
alejandrozarzuelo: There is an anecdote about ancient Rome
alejandrozarzuelo: Do you know what this reminds me of?
alejandrozarzuelo: You don't sound like a wrathful person, just a bitter one
ldj: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ldj: Real
ldj: “It will take the jobs of people who carry things”
_cloudost: https://vxtwitter.com/NeilChristense6/status/1905702896521613815
spicy.lemonade: lol
memlaswaif: U din't have to tell me i already know
spicy.lemonade: i never party
fractalcomputer: Am I a wrathful person?
memlaswaif: party and enjoy life
alejandrozarzuelo: not as id arts and literature are THAT big of a challenge
alejandrozarzuelo: as I said, university is still worth it for the networking and the challenge
spicy.lemonade: I guess
alejandrozarzuelo: networking?
spicy.lemonade: wtf are the students gonna do
spicy.lemonade: thats crazy tho yale is mostly arts and lit school
alejandrozarzuelo: but its ok
fractalcomputer: I'm not commenting on that.


zonchao: hmm
sweetievee__33649: i didnt get mine until recently i think you just gotta wait it out
tors.exe: north africa
zonchao: is that in europe
tors.exe: Algeria
zonchao: europe?
drewsni: But they’re really good and I pay them well for their craft
tors.exe: Weird mine still say its Dall e ?!
drewsni: Not that it makes them good
drewsni: That’s fair, I commission on avg 1-2 art pieces a year but they’re always to non-twitter artists who actually like formally study art overseas typically
alejandrozarzuelo: basically it means tht similar goods of similar quality have to be adjusted to lower prices
zonchao: I have it
alejandrozarzuelo: this is an economics term
alejandrozarzuelo: oh come on
zonchao: <:6_champ_what:849942903576330270>
tors.exe: Does anyone here still not have gpt4 new image generator on free tier ?
zonchao: 11L fuck 11L
precariousworlds.: id wager 70% on twitter are edgy 19 yr olds doing gender studies in the us
alejandrozarzuelo: ppp deflator
drewsni: And now nobody can make money recording music
drewsni: It’s completely destroyed that industry
drewsni: I see the below minimum wage art people as similar to people that open “recording studios” and charge $15/hr of studio time
ailoveyoom: But ofc there's AI now so yanno
ailoveyoom: I've thought about commissioning before (never went through with it), and for me the appeal was personalized art. Getting to tell someone what to make, based completely on my own prefs.
zonchao: I've also noticed a lot of the art people are from south east asia where $40-100 goes a long way
precariousworlds.: Art peaked in the mid 1800s so I'm happy
drewsni: Save up and buy art that’s worth something?
zonchao: that shits below min wage <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
precariousworlds.: these people are in denial
precariousworlds.: this will definitely be possible for an AI to draw
ailoveyoom: I mean, back before AI what alternative did you have? 🤔
zonchao: https://x.com/wingsseni/status/1905743720517177824 comments
drewsni: Also I don’t understand why people commission $40 art pieces
precariousworlds.: o yeah like the palestine charities that totally arent funnelling all the money to qatar
zonchao: but yea a lot of them also beg for personal stuff
zonchao: not that shit, they link random charities and issues they want to raise money for
drewsni: Obviously there are examples that will prove me wrong but there’s a strong correlation between the people complaining and actual talent
drewsni: It’s so stupid
precariousworlds.: its so funny whenever anyone shares ai art they come in droves screaming "YOU SHOULDVE PAID ME $40 TO DRAW THAT!!!!!"
_cloudost: They already make money by spreading anti AI tweets, which gets them around 5000-1000$, and yet they still want more, they do this for money and likes


hikukomoru: 3D skeletons right next to 2D bandits
hikukomoru: Also the Daggerfall 3D mods look way too out of place
futurist_wizard: So Elden Ring post dlc will be my favourite
futurist_wizard: I just think the combat is more fun and diverse in sekiro but its too short to be the best
ailoveyoom: I got through Morrowind just fine tho fsr
artemisfowl887394: Have you guys played Dying Light 2 yet?
hikukomoru: Same for Morrowind
hikukomoru: I believe there are mods that add quest markers
anathemaofmankind: Yeah the learning curve is high but it's easy when you master it.

But that's what makes it better as your skill actually matters more than equipment and weapon upgrades for unga bunga
futurist_wizard: Once you learn the combat
futurist_wizard: Sekiro is easier than a lot of them
spicy.lemonade: ah
anathemaofmankind: I thought souls likes were painful until I tried sekiro

Best game I've ever played
futurist_wizard: Elden Ring is probably one of my favourite gwamez
ailoveyoom: Yeah I don't do Souls likes
artemisfowl887394: That's like slavery but with extra steps.
artemisfowl887394: A Yum Watts scenario means that a being is alive and conscious but is programmed to love its own misery.
anathemaofmankind: You must hate elden ring then
futurist_wizard: I shouldn't of ate before i go to the gym
ailoveyoom: Yeah, my problem wasn't with the graphics tho. It was like, the no tutorial thing. I'm just a Skybaby at heart 🥺 need quest markers
artemisfowl887394: That's Yum Watts scenario
futurist_wizard: There are but something that has the equivalent of worldbox, basically world box but in 3D, it would be, hopefully that can be developed eventually
artemisfowl887394: This conversation seems weird.  All I wanted to know if you'd play as Harry Potter or Percy Jackson in a Simulation like that and you showed me horrors beyond comprehension.
hikukomoru: Did you try Daggerfall Unity
hikukomoru: What if it is conscious and it enjoys being stuck in minecraft
trojan09205: In general im a docker evangelist
trojan09205: I also just like to experiment w different webhooks
ailoveyoom: I tried Daggerfall once but I'm too zoomer for that 😔
hikukomoru: There's lots of AI mods for minecraft
futurist_wizard: Yes, well hopefully it can purposely be generated to be 'mindless'
oooooooooog: 🧊 🇪
trojan09205: Nah the other way haha. Just coding automata gifs
artemisfowl887394: Just hope it's a stochastic parrot and not an emergent conscious life form.
oooooooooog: bro why would the script be made from a cellular automata
hikukomoru: I played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim
Morrowind for the lore and atmosphere
Oblivion for the silliness and quests
And Skyrim for the sex mods
trojan09205: Yeah different AI implementations- like an AI podcast generator

A decision model framework using RAG and an algorithm i designed for goal attainment over time

Speech to speech docker build using local llamas and all local stt and tts

Cellular automata scripting

Investigating the collatz conjecture with visualization
futurist_wizard: If i could get some npc mod for like Minecraft where they do have their own identity powered through ai that'd be cool
artemisfowl887394: Wubbalubdub
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/corgi-gif-9781258393020450389
ailoveyoom: Did you play the other Elder Scrolls games or Oblivion only?