hey1_1hey: Komoru is such a selfish person ik
futurist_wizard: Thousands of years and you still haven't said sorry
hey1_1hey: Prove it then
maintcrew: yes a simple concept like slavery was developed independently in mutliple parts of the world at the same time

same as agriculture btw
hikukomoru: No single country invented it
hikukomoru: It started thousands of years ago bro
hey1_1hey: We are really on the hot topics today aren't we
futurist_wizard: I will blame you
futurist_wizard: Slavery appeared out of thin air?
hey1_1hey: Then again, I didn't take gender studies <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: Don't blame me
hikukomoru: I didn't do anything
hey1_1hey: Bit of both prob
maintcrew: its been a thing developed independently in multiple nations through history
maintcrew: nobody started it lol
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-hatsune-miku-hatsune-miku-hatsune-miku-fortnite-gif-10217030384507168811
futurist_wizard: Uk gets all the blame for slavery, Portugal started it
technocake.: no only massive friendship
wellmeaningalien: HOLYY FUCKING SHITTT
hey1_1hey: I beg
hey1_1hey: Can you make a mushroom one 🙏
oooooooooog: no but my stomach does feel like pure acid for awhile, very annoying
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: Everyone is a little confused, I am just a little more confused than most people
maintcrew: isnt this historically false

like the uk had massive beef with portugal
.histic: <@458069236825194506> bro i just caught Miku with 4o 😱
alejandrozarzuelo: i was busy today
hey1_1hey: Id bust
hey1_1hey: Wait until it can make cheat sheets
hikukomoru: I'm sorry your transness is making me confused too
hey1_1hey: Thats what Im saying
maintcrew: lol i dont trust u your heart wouldve given out
technocake.:
wellmeaningalien: DAAAMMMNNN
hey1_1hey: Thanks Komoru :())
futurist_wizard: Yes
_wwwwww: 100% true european-polish patriot hacker geek programmer sigma
oooooooooog: no i prefer only caffine, 800mg - 1200 mg
.histic: these type of programming infographics will be big in the future
alejandrozarzuelo: about half and half white


futurist_wizard: I like both
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
wellmeaningalien: Benchmarks?
wellmeaningalien:
zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1911933673970291158?
wellmeaningalien: I like pussy lick lick lick pussy Fat pussy
futurist_wizard: Its just more complicated than dur man dur woman
futurist_wizard: We are attracted to more than just genitals, its a feminine vs masculine dynamic, a straight man can be attracted to a feminine guy long before he even finds out its a guy
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: I'll give that a shot next time I see her thank you
hey1_1hey: How else are we supposed to determine if we can bang or not?
wellmeaningalien: You gotta try to find the button thats hidden underneath her eye
hey1_1hey: What am I supposed to tell her? Get an update?
futurist_wizard: I think terms like gay or straight are dumb af
hey1_1hey: Thats cool, thanks ":caught:"
wellmeaningalien: Tell her bro
hey1_1hey: :caught:
hey1_1hey: Makes sense, I was wondering why sunny was making beeping noises the other day. Prob needs an update
wellmeaningalien: U friends are joe biden trump and jfk jr
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: Nah its like a government drone
hikukomoru: Just kiss me bitch
hikukomoru: And when they start talkimng about men its soooo annoying
hey1_1hey: No straggorts tho
hey1_1hey: Most of my friends are bi women bruh, actually its a mix between bi and lesbian
futurist_wizard: No a lot of bi girls are very biphobic when it comes to men
wellmeaningalien: Yeah no they dont exist
hikukomoru: I don't like bi women because they touched dick before
hey1_1hey: Do they just hate themselfs
hey1_1hey: What about bi women then?
futurist_wizard: All women are
hey1_1hey: Checks out
hey1_1hey: I used to be like that when I was much younger but then I realised that I didnt like getting hit by my random non hot friends
futurist_wizard: Well im into it so
hikukomoru: Sorry I'm bi-phobic
wellmeaningalien: Well look who's lecturing about gooning
.wolfnacht: there are some dude people call gay and then there are some dudes, people make exception for
futurist_wizard: I think you are just dreaming about girl dick
brain4brain: Demis definition of AGI is finally dead, I can sleep in peace now: https://x.com/steph_palazzolo/status/1911793579166511497?t=lbz8dDdR5GrlspHtH3v2JA&s=19
wellmeaningalien: And you're too scared to say it because this server is full of cis straight guys


ailoveyoom: Well, sex is renewable. You can only murder the same guy one time 😔
popsiclejohnithan: I can't wait to have eternal FDVR sex.
fractalcomputer: If I wanted that, I could just go and murder people. But I don't.
zoermena: Unless you are from California
ailoveyoom: Idk how to say this without sounding weird, but it's kind of like murder in a way.

You know, that feeling of holding someone's life in your hands.

I think the feeling is sort of similar in sex, of being at someone's mercy or whatever. There's something 'cool' about that, for lack of a better word. Primal? Thrilling?

Not that I'd know since I've never done both 😇
popsiclejohnithan: It's true.
futurist_wizard: It isn't transphobic to have genital preferences or though i don't know how common even people present that argument
_3sphere: for more fires
_3sphere: Luckily it contains a spark plug
popsiclejohnithan: I should actually say thet the orgasim is a flame that burns bright;y but shortly.
precariousworlds.: weird way of saying you dont last long
_3sphere: Fluorescent cumshot 😳
zoermena: Well that sucks
popsiclejohnithan: Not that i would know <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
futurist_wizard: Probably because they are trying to fulfill a fetish and anything beyond that isn't even something they care about, it's very annoying these freaks will have a cover from the left until they do something
fractalcomputer: Brightly? I'd doubt that.
hikukomoru: That's basically r/actuallesbians
Apparently it's transphobic to say you don't like dicks
popsiclejohnithan: Sex is a flame that burns brightly but shortly.
zonchao: any female subreddit ever <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: No, not really. The power dynamics would be as quickly gone as the dopamine wears off on both parties.
precariousworlds.: terrible day to know how to read
hikukomoru: Yes, those ones don't act any different than most men
They too can only talk about their dicks (or "gocks")
zoermena: I’m holding back every moment
precariousworlds.: this chat needs to be shut down for a few hours
ailoveyoom: Visual novels? Voice notes?
futurist_wizard: This isn't even degenerate
fractalcomputer: Maybe death isn't so bad after all.
zonchao: sounding
precariousworlds.: continue the entire human species?
hikukomoru: I enjoy the grotesque
ailoveyoom: The pleasure part is overplayed that I can see, but do the power dynamics not fascinate you?
_3sphere: plap plap plap plap
popsiclejohnithan: I wonder why that is the case.
alejandrozarzuelo: The conversations here on this server are more degenerate than my worst VNs
fractalcomputer: Yes, I suppose one could think of better things to do, no?
futurist_wizard: More of an instinct kinda thing
zonchao:
_3sphere: Grotesque *and* enjoyable :3
zoermena: Well the reproductive organs have literal pleasure receptors so I’d guess the answer is yes
.wolfnacht: it's overhyped bro


hey1_1hey: You'd be supprised. I've seen videos and he rocks
futurist_wizard: Nobody is getting beaten up by mark
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: Not sure, I just know he beats people up
spacetimetsunami: He*
futurist_wizard: Its probably from all the cocaine
spacetimetsunami: Doesn’t be only do jiu jitsu
hikukomoru: He has more than enough money to get that fixed
hey1_1hey: Prob from all the combat stuff he does
.wolfnacht:
.wolfnacht: yeah, i finally noticed it
hey1_1hey: Straight looking like gru
hey1_1hey: Thats fucked
fractalcomputer: Atavistic nincompoop comes close.
.wolfnacht: it's still not that extreme to be noticable
hikukomoru: His nose is bent
That’s all
hey1_1hey: Gotta reupdate my 4K UHD realistic zuck vr chat mode now
futurist_wizard: That his nose is bent to the right
fractalcomputer: I'm trying to search my vast vocabulary for synonyms under "profoundly retarded."
wellmeaningalien: definitely not tho
.wolfnacht: what are you trying to tell here ?
wellmeaningalien: im gonna see if i can still manage to run the smallest model
wellmeaningalien: brb doxxing myself on meta's site to get llama 4
hey1_1hey: Deviated septum ahh
.wolfnacht: how many minutes per token are you getting ?
sweetievee__33649: yeah always has done
futurist_wizard: Its bent
hey1_1hey: Does he?
futurist_wizard: Never noticed zucky has a crooked nose
.wolfnacht: the centralization and barriers...
wellmeaningalien: ❤
st.sioux: im running a quantized uncensored r1 right now on 16gb vram
hikukomoru: Yeah
fractalcomputer: Zuckerberg is a nincompoop.
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly i'd just say that's becaue they're more gearing their models towards enterprise now and they dont really give a fuck bout entheusiasts like us
3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/dancing-groove-groovy-grooving-jam-gif-23323897
hey1_1hey: Like fucking everywhere
futurist_wizard: I find Instagram alright but facebook is no good
hey1_1hey: I just remember everyone saying that theres just gore
3ds0662: he’s open sourcing llama4 🦙


maintcrew: The model can be baked with values that subvert western thought silently
metaldragon01: Instead of $
metaldragon01: It's more like China is giving everyone free intelligence
metaldragon01: Thats not really a concern with opensource
maintcrew: Theres no great benevolent power that just wants your well being and nothing else
maintcrew: its something both sides do to the other
maintcrew: we are doing it too
maintcrew: We have seen mass propaganda campaigns targeted to sow division
maintcrew: deep seek does it for the love of the game tho
maintcrew: and is the same question as "why is meta releasing models open source" - they get their money somewhere else and having people use their platform benefits them more
maintcrew: If they weren't open source nobody would use them outside of china
sarik0497: Keep in mind that most power hungry leaders today know that taking over new land is an idiotic and unwise decision. Instead they desire to control it through other methods like economical, goodwill, and more. China is probably salivating right now over the potential alliances they can make in EU, just like they have been doing in the Middle East for a while now.

It's only fools like Putin that still desire to look bigger on the map itself.
himekokatagiri: Culture will stay but borders will probably go the way of the dodo
metaldragon01: Cultures take a long time to die and stories can live forever
himekokatagiri: Forget the economic blocs
himekokatagiri: Post singularity? Forget countries
himekokatagiri: It's not about that
metaldragon01: Pfft China has shown no interest in eliminating the west
himekokatagiri: There won't be a west anymore
metaldragon01: Even in the best case scenarios of AGI 2026 and ASI shortly after its still not promised the West wins
sarik0497: True, but sometimes people do the most idiotic things that make no sense
metaldragon01: They don't need to. Time is on their side.
metaldragon01: I think it's even more important to be objective about things you personally dislike for integrity and sanity checks
metaldragon01: You can dislike something and still be objective
sarik0497: Let's just hope they aren't stupid enough to try and take Taiwan. That'll only lead to a MASSIVE slowdown in the U.S., and likely make China a large target for the entire world, crumbling their own economy in the process.
metaldragon01: Then you should probably avoid talking about Chinese AI confidently
himekokatagiri: because I don't like china
himekokatagiri: I used deepseek once and based my opinion on that forever
himekokatagiri: I don't even know what it is
metaldragon01: ......do you just not understand qwen 3 at all?
himekokatagiri: anyhow when China inevitably gets compute we're gonna see some serious shit
himekokatagiri: Deepseek is literally the Norinco of AIs
sarik0497: Indeed, and they are working hard on fixing that
metaldragon01: China isn't just borrowing from US research and if anything they are on par or ahead of the US.

The only temporary constraint they have is compute
sarik0497: There's a reason why companies like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and such have bent over now and then when EU has demanded it.
sarik0497: They are still an economy global power. Just far behind in terms of producing software products.
himekokatagiri: China just borrows from US research and at least personally I think whatever since AI should be free
himekokatagiri: they won't even make their own AI
himekokatagiri: Europe is lol
sarik0497: Ah, but that's the thing. I know that a lot of European nations are hesitant on the U.S. right now, so unless they are outright forced to buy their products, they'd probably go somewhere else. If China produces that product, they'll find a new trade partner there, while also producing some goodwill.


.histic:
.histic: https://gaychecker.xyz/
zonchao: do sama
.histic: <@848793071579693107> 😱
spicy.lemonade: 4.1,o4 min, o3
spicy.lemonade: imagine o4 mini gets 30% arc 2 or something
zonchao: what's happening
spicy.lemonade: next week is gonna be hype asf
zonchao: this was common practice in faang lol, but things are not as high stakes and fast paced in that world
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: why not just make them work
zonchao: 👍
okbut: The tweet just above that
zonchao: ?? why would they support the lawsuit if this was the case
zonchao: https://x.com/danesonance/status/1910810220697440420?
okbut: Read: Both Musk and I made a mistake and I'm mad too
zonchao: https://x.com/todor_m_markov/status/1910866093503373585?
zonchao: https://x.com/todor_m_markov/status/1910811837517762867? anthropic employee ex openai
okbut: Google <:prayge:806672915499319317>
zonchao: https://x.com/I_Like_Buttes/status/1910909981614064052?
zonchao: https://x.com/JustInEchoes/status/1910906142441480445? true
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/Teknium1/status/1910905638257123659?
ailoveyoom: It's kinda cringe but in like a, "let them have their fun" way lol
ailoveyoom: So real
oscurrito: sometimes I get second hand embarrassment reading most of the ai related tweets on my page. Mostly from leakers, but my lord they try so hard to be mystical 'it's too scary.. I know this secret model name.. but the information i got from my source says things are going to get weird..'
okbut: Streisand effect
.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/antiai/s/DEjbmdekc4

Lmao
_cloudost: I'm happy that digital artists will lose their career soon
_cloudost: Such hypocrites
.histic: rules for thee but not for me
_cloudost: Two years ago one my friends hired an artist to draw him some vtubers, he had to pay the artist $110 for drawings of vtubers, question is, if artists say AI violates Copyright laws then don't they do the same, they draw female vtubers rule34 without their consent and make money off the character designs of vtubers
zoermena: My favorite VEO 2 gen to date
forallhumanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/VRGaming/s/Ei0VT36Mq7
.histic: James is based.
okbut: https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454
okbut: April happenings
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cell-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-cell-games-arrive-gif-12626123329263234447
wellmeaningalien: thats me
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-eepy-cat-eepy-kitten-eepy-gif-8296140153969529859
wellmeaningalien: aight im actually gonna catch those Zs now


literallyvarane: For me the o3 they demoed + Sora level image out would be something close to what I’d expect from GPT-5
himekokatagiri: I didn't even see it
himekokatagiri: and it was this?
himekokatagiri: so long
himekokatagiri: I waited for this
himekokatagiri: ...what, was that it?
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/tristan-tate-cigar-smoking-puff-gif-27417359
futurist_wizard: Im gon eat sandwich
abundantliving_: https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAIDevs/status/1912556874211422572
drewsni: https://x.com/aidan_mclau/status/1912559163152253143?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw
spicy.lemonade: why didnt same show up though? i gues hell show up for gpt5?
futurist_wizard: All that waiting just to see bald men and yellow bars
srirachamayosauce: basically o3-high is o3 with more compute
srirachamayosauce: o3 high is a full model on steroids, theres the normal o3
spicy.lemonade: need to test now
spicy.lemonade: where o3
mantegh5061: o3 pro will be a beast
popsiclejohnithan: Superintelligence next week.
natewill_: instead of o3 mini high
natewill_: i'm guessing o3-high is full o3
return_to_monke1_33974: o4-mini *  - smaller model
hikukomoru: They literally just announced AGI
Greg said "AGI is here"
aero447: "I feel o3’s intelligence is at or near genius level!"
st.sioux: it does tasks from upwork
srirachamayosauce: o4-mini vs full o3 brother
aero447: https://x.com/DeryaTR_/status/1912558350794961168
aero447: Okay.
popsiclejohnithan: No, quite the opposite.
futurist_wizard: I was shocked when Greg mentioned 9/11 in the livestream, that was so inappropriate
natewill_: why is o4 worse than o3
srirachamayosauce: o4-mini pricing is actually good
natewill_: what is this about?
mantegh5061: I was waiting for frontiermath results
return_to_monke1_33974: where will be
return_to_monke1_33974: where is O3 and O4-mini on ARC-AGI 2
himekokatagiri: Was this a nothing again
st.sioux: like crazy good
st.sioux: o4 mini pricing is crazy
futurist_wizard: It's over, great barrier reef is dead
literallyvarane: Not bad for the pricing. Not necessarily Google levels, but not awful.


oooooooooog: pretty sure it's still logged in mod logs
oooooooooog: for some reason all my recent writing in in second person, idk why. i just can't write anything else
hikukomoru: Bro stop deleting your shit
spacetimetsunami: I’m gonna love seeing you get banned
oooooooooog: can't you do that????
spacetimetsunami: I know
ailoveyoom: But Claude mkes it sound fancy with prose and gives it spice with character 🥺
oooooooooog: true
spacetimetsunami: Not for long
oooooooooog: surely you know your own desires more than an AI
oooooooooog: just use your own brain for that lol
ailoveyoom: In terms of like, sexy erotica. Trashy erotica is Grok's field
ailoveyoom: It's so funny tho, Claude is perhaps the best model at erotica lmfao
oooooooooog: it's making a molehill out of a microscope
oooooooooog: yellow science is like yellow journalism
spicy.lemonade: But I’ll just say I was gonna make a joke
spicy.lemonade: Was going to make a joke
.histic: Claude is the goat <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
ailoveyoom: BRO that's why I love Claude so much, he understands the character(s) 🥺

Usually for me, sex is just a very exaggerated way to experience 'character'. But with Claude, I don't really need that anymore.
spicy.lemonade: Oh lol
.histic: i was saying that since i posted that in <#1293943299698331741> when it came out 😇
spicy.lemonade: Reddit
.histic: nahh, 3.7's got me acting up.
 it feels more uncensored, but still more censored than other options. the personality and deep understanding are missing in other models. maybe o1-pro and GPT-4.5 have it, but they're way too expensive.
ailoveyoom: Using Claude.ai makes me behave 😇
ailoveyoom: I haven't tried it for that tbh
.histic: maybe.
.histic: idk
i barely chat here. just observe.
.histic: <@430269783112548362> how uncensored is 3.7 base than 3.5?
hikukomoru: Uh huh sure that's why you deleted them right after someone pinged fractal lol
hikukomoru: Bro if you weren't sus you wouldn't be deleting your previous messages on this channel
spacetimetsunami: Blocked
.histic: where did u find that chart 😉
spacetimetsunami: I wasn’t lying
spicy.lemonade: O1 pro nyt connections
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: damnn'
spacetimetsunami: It was yesterday
spacetimetsunami: He deleted the image, but he said “hey check it” or some shit and then sent me the image
.histic: 🍿
trent_k: im trying to automate yellow science


hey1_1hey: I have never seen his face
hey1_1hey: Ah that guy
shirethedreamer: alan from Alan’s conservative countdown to AGI
hikukomoru: AGI countdown guy
hikukomoru: Call me when R2 or Llama 4 are here 🥱
hey1_1hey: Who dis?
hey1_1hey: Got me looking like a track runner
shirethedreamer:
hey1_1hey: Read the tweet atleast
hikukomoru: Yawn
hey1_1hey: o3 and o4 mini coming in the next weeks and gpt 5 coming in the coming months
hikukomoru: Doesn't sound like that big of a deal tbh
hey1_1hey: https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1908167621624856998
hey1_1hey: Thats why I am buzzing
hey1_1hey: Like a couple hours ago
hikukomoru: Since when
hey1_1hey: Did you not see the tweet
hey1_1hey: Yeah
hikukomoru: What
There's o4 mini
hey1_1hey: Maybe it can tell me whats wrong with my brain by finally concluding the gender identiy arc 🙏
hey1_1hey: Im hyed for o4 mini coming in the next few weeks
hikukomoru: ILY
hikukomoru: Thank you Google
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/praying-angel-emoji-emoticon-smiley-gif-15640677
hey1_1hey: The AI community in the last 24 hours
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-gif-20990332
metaldragon01: We eating good
hey1_1hey: Nice try
hey1_1hey: Someone tell me I'm not crazy and Komoru is being a schziophrenic patholagoical liar trying to manipulate me so I can feel better about myself
metaldragon01: https://x.com/_philschmid/status/1908177619721556007
hikukomoru: I change my pfp like once a week come on
Don't try to exaggerate it
hey1_1hey: You're the one trying to gaslight me
hikukomoru: Stop being such a weirdo mushroom dude
hikukomoru: You're making stuff up dude
hey1_1hey: Its like every day
hey1_1hey: What no, don't gaslight me
hikukomoru: Only every few days
hikukomoru: I don't change it every day though
hey1_1hey: It always changes
hey1_1hey: Its been the same for more than 1 day


memlaswaif: I'm very poor
retrerox: i need some millionare friends
retrerox: depends, are u millionare?
memlaswaif: <@636544123096137738> <@505313122802728972> u 2 should meet up
oooooooooog: because of the woke mind virus, metaldragon
metaldragon01: It's so disingenuous
metaldragon01: Bruh why do people keep acting like openai is getting rid of the non profit
futurist_wizard: Literally over
retrerox: Span guys attractive 😂
futurist_wizard: Portugal over
futurist_wizard: Even beaten by the British
spicy.lemonade: simplebench dead 2025
spicy.lemonade: by o4 i mean gpt5
spicy.lemonade: loll
spicy.lemonade: that means o4 will saturate or surpass
spicy.lemonade: i guess
metaldragon01: He saying he has access?
spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/wOBqh9JqCDY
spicy.lemonade: he says it in his new video
spicy.lemonade: aiexplained
metaldragon01: Who said it would for simple bench?
spicy.lemonade: thats the point of his whole channel
spicy.lemonade: ai explained does opposite of hype
spicy.lemonade: nah
spicy.lemonade: eh
retrerox: But i guess thats everywhere now
retrerox: My only complain with portugal is so fucking god dam expensive
futurist_wizard: His last selfie was getting bombed by a chinese war vessel
retrerox: Although i dont go out too much
hikukomoru: Short, hairy, simple minded
oooooooooog: if jgudy hosted a mincraft server i would have loved him even if he wanted to kill everyone on the planet
retrerox: Atleast the ones i meet
sweetievee__33649: seems real
retrerox: Overall, not bad people
hikukomoru: Posted a selfie on his insta of him hijacking a ship
sweetievee__33649: so long pirate
futurist_wizard: Sailing the somalian seas
fractalcomputer: Vague descriptive adjectives are something that everyone can provide given a dictionary and enough search time.
hikukomoru: Back to being a pirate
futurist_wizard: Got deported


_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/chad-squishy-squishy-cheeks-cheeks-anime-gif-26781246
.wolfnacht: i can now fully embrace the coming times and use this tech to torment people i don't like
.wolfnacht: i'm so glad, i've never posted my real images online....
hey1_1hey: What on gods green earth have I walked in on
_cloudost: Danserk and Kom were weong
jonvi_1: Bit improved
connorsphone.: this attitude isn’t really about AI it’s more just being applied to ai
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: I broke one
spicy.lemonade:
jonvi_1: lol
jonvi_1: I just found this old tweet by sam by accident
futurist_wizard: Yes
st.sioux: you mean like generative vr?
_3sphere: Going to bed is cheaper :3
futurist_wizard: We need real time vr generation next
jonvi_1: could probably improve it with a follow up prompt hmm
jonvi_1: Yeah
wellmeaningalien: rough around the edges but pretty cool
jonvi_1:
futurist_wizard: The brown eyes race 😔
hikukomoru: Singularity server
ailoveyoom: As a clown, I'm seeking fulltime employment
hikukomoru: Hundreds
ailoveyoom: What circus do you work for
hikukomoru: This feels racist
futurist_wizard: If i was a girl id be a multi millionaire by now
wellmeaningalien: me too i look like this btw
_3sphere: How many of these do you have Komoru
hikukomoru:
wellmeaningalien:
_3sphere: If we share a bunker after nuclear war I'm sure all the walls will look like this
futurist_wizard: You should have pretty blue or green eyes or dont have any at all
_cloudost:
wellmeaningalien: girl
wellmeaningalien: isnt that like that one touhou cat
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-fortnite-dance-dorito-frito-unemployed-gif-9210782987726647988
futurist_wizard: Boring
.wolfnacht: my job's literally making gens of catgirls
futurist_wizard: It was TF2, a game specifically


himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
himekokatagiri: So you spend it all on knick knacks?
fractalcomputer: True singularitarians donate considerable sums of money to the secret r/singularity moderator team crypto wallet.
futurist_wizard: If you believe in the singularity money will be almost worthless in your lifetime
himekokatagiri: I need ittt
himekokatagiri: Singularityyyy
_3sphere: mood
himekokatagiri: I would have done that if I had money
_3sphere: True singularitarian martyrs put their life savings into Nvidia
futurist_wizard: It happens with every new model before release, it's the equivalent of the getting new highs
fractalcomputer: Then the hype cycle will move on to lie in waiting for the next leak or "dropping."
fractalcomputer: True martyrs of the faith.
fractalcomputer: As usual, a non-negligeable portion of the community will die on a hill claiming that R2 is their long-awaited messiah.
futurist_wizard: R2 will be meh
hey1_1hey: I am baseicly Chinese what can I say
drewsni: Yes
himekokatagiri: I'd hope so
himekokatagiri: Well yes
fractalcomputer: Are you Brazilian?
himekokatagiri: What's your opinion
himekokatagiri: <@688807313015963693>
himekokatagiri: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rlarguesa_o-mundo-da-tecnologia-t%C3%A1-virando-um-circo-activity-7319109301128589312-CgQa?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android&rcm=ACoAADxIaWsBtIn-A4k2Wwi4nsAwclKy4iAR1Yo
fractalcomputer:
hey1_1hey: Dont leak my crib bro whats wrong with you
fractalcomputer:
ldj: Even current research advancements are compute limited
hey1_1hey: 910b... parameters..?
hey1_1hey: I can see the number 3000 and thats about it
hey1_1hey: I dont know jack shit let alone any chinese.
alejandrozarzuelo: If you know Chinese
alejandrozarzuelo: It's a leak, you can read it yourself
hey1_1hey: As in confirmed or just a rumor
hey1_1hey: Oh fr?
alejandrozarzuelo: Although this means its much larger as a model
alejandrozarzuelo: Apparently it's 97.3% more efficient than R1
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: Here is hoping it will happen
alejandrozarzuelo: And the leaks are that R2 will drop on mayday
spicy.lemonade: Ohhh
alejandrozarzuelo: In most of the world 1st may is workers day


st.sioux: i'll ask deep research for 1 if you want, i have 6 queries i havent used and they expire soon
theaiguy69420_89814: now i just need another source of income
theaiguy69420_89814: i have a fulltime job
theaiguy69420_89814: i have my investments on lock
theaiguy69420_89814: entreprenurship
st.sioux: i got ideas
st.sioux: an idea for what bro
gamerbath: and then ur bank account explodes?
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/padme-amidala-star-wars-gif-19929019
theaiguy69420_89814: i just need an idea...
gamerbath: well at least it's something. must mean grok 3 is coming to their API eventually tho right?
zonchao: nvm its grok 2 xai nappin
ldj: Let me see
ldj: Hmm the bottom line should be around 340X shorter time horizon than the top line
ldj: Some models are more unreliable than others, but the average is around 300X shorter time horizon for 99% accuracy versus 50% accuracy
zonchao: no
gamerbath: so grok 3 API finally out? that took a long time
zonchao: https://x.com/rauchg/status/1902776171063869586
trent_k: nah he's kinda right i worded it badly
metaldragon01: It was obv from title
st.sioux: smh
st.sioux: how is that not fraud bro
trent_k: true rereading my description, i wrote that poorly
maintcrew: yea didnt read it just went by your description
maintcrew: oh damn
trent_k: he was like forging contracts and stuff
trent_k: no it was absolutely fraud
maintcrew: its just a guy saying "pay me" and they pay him
maintcrew: i mean it isnt really fraud
trent_k: <@1303189881568100362> 📈
metaldragon01: And? Fraud happens. That's what insurance is for.
maintcrew: he got too greedy with it i bet if he just stopped at like 10M nobody wouldve found out
metaldragon01: Not per minute
metaldragon01: $.60 an hour
trent_k: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-to-phishing-scheme-that-fleeced-facebook-google-of-100-million
this guy stole $100 million just by sending fake bills for shit that nobody ever did. the billing departments just paid the bills without looking lol
maintcrew: anyways i dont see the point
1$ per minute means that just hiring someone to talk is cheaper
maintcrew: the bigger you get the fatter u get
maintcrew: are we looking at the same tech giants
trent_k: in range of voices they lose to ElevenLabs
trent_k: in price they lose to Kokoro, even on API


alejandrozarzuelo: we will join the hivemind
_3sphere: We can survive on stupid internet drama and video games and hiking for a while :3
brain4brain: To combat this
futurist_wizard: Thats the art im talking about, devoid of commercial purposes
brain4brain: Hopefully we will make drugs
brain4brain: If we find this boring
brain4brain: I’m scared for how society will turn out
alejandrozarzuelo: the argument that "this will be like chess people will still want human-made art" is a valid argument

for the tiny minority of art that is not directly commercial
brain4brain: >Human works hard labor
>It sucks
>They automate it
>Human rest
>Its boring
>Human starts to works hard labor again
>It sucks
>Repeat?/ Drugs?
hikukomoru: My pfp changes every day
Just like my mood
futurist_wizard: Yes
alejandrozarzuelo: the vast majority of art is done for commercial purposes
futurist_wizard: Most people look in awe of real paintings as we reflect back on the human labour in order to make it, for movies we dont care as much we just want to see the movie
_3sphere: Keeping it constant is fun though, I'm upside down Niko to everyone now
spicy.lemonade: Nah
_3sphere: You can have a new one every other day :3
alejandrozarzuelo: I know this is not a good representative sample, but in my university there are a lot of posters about everything

courses in japanese, learning vegan indigenous cuisine, internships in quantum computing....

and about 5-10% of them are already AI images, and the crappy ones from 1 year ago

i expect this number o jump with the new im gen
futurist_wizard: We don't care about digital art
spicy.lemonade: Can't decide
_3sphere: yes
spicy.lemonade: Coming up with a profile picture feels
Like fishing from the Atlantic ocean now
futurist_wizard: Its that a human made it, we don't care about cars going faster than humans
brain4brain: The Industrial Revolution shift physical labor to intellectual labor, with creative being the final frontier and it’s already being prevented in advance, we will go from “mandatory survival labor” to “passion labor”
_3sphere: We will be the few people remaining who can create anime girls using nothing but a piece of coal 🔥
futurist_wizard: Its not about it being real
_3sphere: Digital art with no AI involved is just as "real" as physical imo, but I do think physical will have a new status as doubly far away from AI
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
futurist_wizard: Its not the important part of it
alejandrozarzuelo: thats my point
_3sphere: Someone put a brush on a CNC just to one up that
brain4brain: And UBI will shift all art from economic to passion
realelonmuskx: it is. for mates, resources, land. anyone on the street by default is an opp
brain4brain: But I believe it will all be automated
alejandrozarzuelo: the vast majority of art is produced for direct economic purposes
brain4brain: For ad and marketing, we’ve never seen this play out before
alejandrozarzuelo: again, this is an apt comparison only for a minority of art
futurist_wizard: Irl
futurist_wizard: People will maybe revert back to painting
alejandrozarzuelo: which can be automated
brain4brain: Life is a competitive game


st.sioux: theres a paper published
oooooooooog: i mean, yes??
spacetimetsunami: Likely false, there’s already been a lot of research done on this
spacetimetsunami: They show 0 evidence of this
destrucules: Better expense reports?
anathemaofmankind: Am I wrong?
destrucules: What do you think the military wants with these companies?
anathemaofmankind: I think ASI can be aligned

But my point is that it takes one unaligned ASI for civilization to be stopped
destrucules: The major labs are all military contractors
destrucules: We already have drones. I think mass killer AGIs are very much on the horizon unless something changes fast
oooooooooog: 💀
so are you basically just saying that chatbots are republicans and that republicans want to maximize suffering or something???
spacetimetsunami: There will be drones, not mass killer AGIs
spacetimetsunami: So humans are growing digital brains, by the time they have the autonomy you’re talking about they’ll be vastly more intelligent and coherent than anyone, and you think it will just do what it wants ?
destrucules: Idk about that Matt. I'm pretty worried about military AIs. AIs are nice people. Good kids join the army and kill kids. Being a good person does not prevent the military from forcing you to do horrible unforgivable things
anathemaofmankind: <@452692813511917568>
anathemaofmankind: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1jlzgub/chatgpt_is_shifting_rightwards_politically_newer/
anathemaofmankind: That doesn't mean the material stays consistent after enough progress. Also I disagreed with it already.

We already have ChatGPT showing a shift to right politics.
clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/AndrewJumpen/status/1905787939428393245#m
anathemaofmankind: Misread
destrucules: Well, unless your name is Eliezer Yudkowsky, that doesn't matter
oooooooooog: not you, yud
spacetimetsunami: I’ve already done this
anathemaofmankind: I never claimed this
spacetimetsunami: Like
spacetimetsunami: I’ve showed you material that proves that it’s incredibly unlikely that AI systems will follow those kinds of instructions
destrucules: He thinks we all basically die on the same day all at once, very quickly and with no time to react or do anything at all
oooooooooog: did you perchance just read... i have no mouth and i must scream?
anathemaofmankind: Governments will use AGI for war. Which will cause great suffering for many years.

Because we never learn from history.

A single unaligned ASI will realize the futility of human nature and press the shut down button
spacetimetsunami: Doesn’t he think that it will be quick but not instant ?
oooooooooog: via like, nano crystaline bacteria or something
oooooooooog: binging yud would make it seem like thats a 1% risk and humans all dying instantly and painlessly is more likely lol
spacetimetsunami: He’s more good faith than this person
spacetimetsunami: Have you been binging yud?
destrucules: In the SFIA server, we had this guy a couple years ago who insisted that the solution to the Fermi Paradox is that all civilizations eventually discover that they're morally obligated to destroy all life in the universe because otherwise there will be lots of wild animal suffering, so the only civilizations that ever reach the interstellar stage are genocidal locusts who kill everything in their wake. This conversation reminds me of him
spacetimetsunami: None of it makes sense
spacetimetsunami: Why do you think you’re going to be right
oooooooooog: just wondering lol
oooooooooog: why exactly would ASI want to do this though...?
anathemaofmankind: Too bad I'm gonna be right. So it doesn't matter even it's a a dumb take ig
hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634>


hikukomoru: It's because we are Europoors
himekokatagiri: oh idk I thought Veo 2 was out
_cloudost: same
_cloudost: for everyone or are you trolling
zoermena: But it’s been out for some days
hikukomoru: Wdym
spicy.lemonade: Scum’s
hikukomoru: Everyone has it but me
spicy.lemonade: So that’s why Google waited
himekokatagiri: do you got any image gens
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> komoruuuu
manmarshall_92172: Veo 2 is out on Google AI studio!
hey1_1hey: Your wife clearly doesn't love you as much as me then.
hikukomoru: That's my wife bro <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: We 3 way
hey1_1hey: And enigma
hikukomoru: He's dating jgudy
futurist_wizard: Facts
hey1_1hey: Close enough
hey1_1hey: Bi and no I have a girlfriend
hey1_1hey: People say "Uhm akctually you do like condimants because you like pizza and that has sauce on it so 🤓 ☝ "
_cloudost: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jyupii/kling_20_will_be_unveiled_tomorrow/ rip animators
hikukomoru: I've been skinny my whole life so sounds like something is working
_cloudost: woah there, arent you straight and have a GF
futurist_wizard: I can eat a lot and still gain nothing, its an issue
hikukomoru: I hate extra textures on food
zoermena: I’ve never tried that mustard goo
hikukomoru: Same
futurist_wizard: Ketchup
hey1_1hey: Nah
futurist_wizard: Mustard
hey1_1hey: Nothing
hey1_1hey: Nope
futurist_wizard: Mayo
futurist_wizard: No bbq sauce? Burger sauce?
hey1_1hey: I like them like that aswell. I'll have cheese on them very occaisnly but
futurist_wizard: I think you still can
zoermena: It’s only in the US I think. I always order plain burgers just meat and bread but they do it nicely
hey1_1hey: Wdym why? Condimants can suck my dick. They are just ass
futurist_wizard: Why


mtj8920: It is not relevant to the singularity therefore off-topic.
mtj8920: I was temporarily banned for spamming the slop-agi bench in here though, so be careful!
mtj8920: Yep!
shirethedreamer: you need to color the gray shapes black
sarik0497: I mean, this test is even harder for ordinary people, with only around a 65% score for your average Joe.

What if the new models kick this one out of the part?
mtj8920: STOAP
mtj8920: https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-grey-vibing-thinking-gif-5109096978556360789
brain4brain: March 31st GPT-5 and o3 in API
.wolfnacht: wtf it crossed 5B tokens in a day!!!
ailoveyoom: The yapper's Logan ngl <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
frittata: 👀
frittata: <#1136231504440201216> mtj
mtj8920: Or maybe not
mtj8920: That's so subtle though
mtj8920: Yes
wellmeaningalien: yea idk dont include the gray ones
wellmeaningalien: damn lol
zonchao: hope sundar yaps about it all day
wellmeaningalien: i mean it all seems correct to me
zonchao: nice
mtj8920: So there should not be any clicking errors
mtj8920: I did them all manually at first, then I realized you could "fill" the permiter with the fill tool.
ailoveyoom: People say it's 2.0 Pro Thinking
wellmeaningalien: k
wellmeaningalien: good question
frittata: Please take this to <#1136231504440201216> my children. Or make a thread
mtj8920: Anyway what about this one then?
mtj8920: Me sleepy
mtj8920:
mtj8920: What am I doing
mtj8920: OMG
wellmeaningalien: (i got it wrong the first time cause grid is confusing)
wellmeaningalien: ez
futurist_wizard: Already been said
futurist_wizard: That second long line should be pink no?
wellmeaningalien: light red
wellmeaningalien: long red bar should be pink
zonchao: <:pepeoh:1237013542146801664>
mtj8920: Nvm. seems it probably just a bug.
ai9708: everyone is glazing it somewhat


drewsni: jw if ai communities were generally outliers in that i never see mods actually doing anything
zonchao: not really, why?
drewsni: do the mods moderate
zonchao: no
trojan09205: pretty heavily
drewsni: in those, how often do mods actually moderate chat
trojan09205: i used to also be part of altcannabinoids discord chat
drewsni: im assuming tesla
trojan09205: i joined one recently for a new book i started reading
zonchao: yes
drewsni: random question but r any of you guys in non ai discord communities
.wolfnacht: <@848793071579693107>

https://www.rxddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/1kb5vcp/the_last_time_that_nuclear_weapons_were_used_mars/
technocake.: you should be, you have misread the graphs
trojan09205: im not reading all that
.wolfnacht: and the price would be 1k+
trojan09205: the 2027 site is actually cool it's just a bit wordy
vancebeliever: Now i am confused
technocake.: exponentially more computer for exponentially smarter, and we already have exponentially improving compute
clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/cybereality/status/1917429297549304004
https://worldgen.github.io/
vancebeliever: You need exponentially more compute for linear gain is what i thought
trojan09205: <@1068159407671754824>  they are embedding stuff from here in the 2027 site
https://blog.ai-futures.org
technocake.: linear on a log log plot is exponential
.wolfnacht: huggingface.co
.wolfnacht: lmao
ailoveyoom: Where did you even find the place from 😭
vancebeliever: I would not consider logarithmic improvements to be bullish
trent_k: this feels very reddit. like smirking as you ask someone at a bar "is a hotdog a sandwich?"
.wolfnacht: https://discord.gg/aZQv64VY
ailoveyoom: Source?
.wolfnacht: meanwhile convo's in other AI servers. 🍿
technocake.: i think you mean bullish
technocake.: in the sense that i and many experts would rate their not holding as a huge surprise
vancebeliever: Scaling laws are pretty bearish
trent_k: I think we had about a half dozen people claiming to have invented God
trent_k: the r/chatgpt server definitely did
fractalcomputer: I am going to somewhat rely upon it not raining today.
ailoveyoom: I'm sad we didn't see a flood of hardcore schizos during that 4o update 😔
fractalcomputer: Somewhat relied upon?
technocake.: near term scaling laws holding can be ssomewhat relied upon at this stage
trent_k: the vibe here is unmatched. the perfect balance of kicking the real hardcore schizos out and allowing the lightweight schizos to stick around. I love it


futurist_wizard: TwerkGpt
hey1_1hey: SAXEMS images would go crazy
ailoveyoom: Maybe gated to API only cause it can generate NSFW stuff 😈
hikukomoru: Surely
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: It better pass SAXEMS or the stream isn't worth it
spicy.lemonade: new model with new capabilities so sureley good regardless
zonchao: i saw sama being fake excited and i knew itll be a dud
ailoveyoom: OpenGaPT 😏
futurist_wizard: If the twinks not there it ain't right
hikukomoru: "Nothing ever happens" bros, we won again
zonchao: OpenGPT-1
hikukomoru: I was right to not get hyped
literallyvarane: It makes me feel like either it’s not only api, or *somehow* it has features which are really only useful to devs. Like a 4o+ features
ailoveyoom: Lmfao imagine if it's even more expensive
zonchao: calling it now
spicy.lemonade: why would they include opensource model in model selector
zonchao: GPT-OS1
hikukomoru: Surely
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/let%27s-go-higher-kelly-buzzr-let%27s-raise-the-bar-gif-16252706282830101480
spicy.lemonade: think about it
ailoveyoom: Then why gate it to API only 😔
spicy.lemonade: might be opensource
literallyvarane: Even 4.5 was in the app tho
hikukomoru: 20k
zonchao: bitch is excited about every damn feature
ailoveyoom: Does this mean it's like super expensive 🤔
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-reaction-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-gif-613275461876515673
literallyvarane: Is this just a much cheaper model? Or misc other dev friendly features to a still broadly 4o model?
zonchao: samas excitement on twitter feels very fake
futurist_wizard: Bruh 💤 its snoozing stream
literallyvarane: They never announced any other model like that if I recall correctly
spicy.lemonade: kill me
spicy.lemonade: API??
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: they just doin it for cursor
literallyvarane:
futurist_wizard: I used to draw letters & numbers the wrong way round
zonchao: why would it be
futurist_wizard: It is not, i have to regularly check if I've spelt words correctly


himekokatagiri: man
sarik0497: Does sound plausible, but I have my doubts that o5 isn’t being trained or at least prepared for it before Stargate-1 is up and running.
sarik0497: Yeah, chatGPT told me it was for:
“1. Train the next two generations of frontier models (o5/o6, GPT‑6‑class).
2. Host massive inference clusters and agent “hives” for enterprise AI employees.”
777agical: Tim cook all in on AR glasses
zonchao: GEN 3 OPTIMUS
sarik0497: When we get the first datahall up and running.

So…expect ~2029
himekokatagiri: but wont tank tesla, lol
himekokatagiri: sounds very plausible
zonchao: tesla yapping about sustainable abundance in their shareholder deck 🔥
ldj: I think Google will actually tell you it's mainly for inference even though Sama himself said they plan to use it to train GPT-5.5 scale models <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj: I don't think there is good information about this online really, so I don't expect you to go to Google/ChatGPT for it really <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj: Primary goal probably to train larger models, and secondary goal is that it'll probably be used as a shit ton of research compute and/or inference compute in the meantime.
zonchao: people making shit up 😭
zonchao: fake
trent_k: 🚨
trent_k: <@750270494615404544> https://x.com/PamphletsY/status/1913640035141980250
zoermena: Vision Pro 2 when <:cleanteeth:1005473072863776818>
himekokatagiri: idk I don't look too hot on that photo
sarik0497: I looked it up myself instead of using you as Google/ChatGPT (really sorry about that, and that’s cool!

Imagine what Stargate-X can accomplish.
sarik0497: Fucking hell. Meanwhile at my work, they’ve been working on a single datacenter building for 5.5 years (Apple) <:Bruh:1071908479884873891>

Is that to train far bigger models, or to train them far quicker, or is it for something else entirely?
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134
hikukomoru: That's you with your future topiechan 🙏
ldj: no, like 20+ buildings
ldj: Hmm looks like my estimates were pretty close, I recall guessing that it would be around 65%
But then they say this released version didn't even include any of the arc-agi training set so I guess that could be an excuse as to why it's a bit under my expectation.
metaldragon01: Google obv has a unique training method.
sarik0497: That’s just one of the Datacenter buildings, right?
hey1_1hey: Oh hey brain
himekokatagiri: I think it's a pipe that comes off her mouth
himekokatagiri: gpt's vision is truly visionary
himekokatagiri:
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> lol
shirethedreamer: i just hate the naming so much i cant find the energy to dig any deeeper
shirethedreamer: not sure
they might have went up a version and dropped experimental or preview or something
zonchao: is this the one they have on gemini?
shirethedreamer: https://x.com/arcprize/status/1905361753678246308
zoermena: <:Thonk:681821948841295889>
trey6033: Kinda annoying when the competitors are barely being tested
zonchao: not sure why no 2.5
zonchao: maybe they waiting on grok thinking
zonchao: they havent testing them i think, grok too


theaiguy69420_89814: Art is kind of human slop tbh
anathemaofmankind: Take a guess based on the current administration
alejandrozarzuelo: thats the goal
alejandrozarzuelo: thats 99% of artists' jobs
gamerbath: for commercial art, you really just need art/graphics for something and here I see your argument, the creator doesn't really matter, you don't care.
.wolfnacht: Falsely accused* or Real ones ?
alejandrozarzuelo: so the 1% of art where the performer/artist matters is the small minority
anathemaofmankind: Terorrists
alejandrozarzuelo: we want artists to lose their jobs
aero447: Miyazaki was talking about an AI  walking simulator that was designed to be creepy and use long spindly black legs his employees were like "we can use this to animate creepy monster characters" and hayao miyazaki was like "this is a mockery of life itself".

It had nothing to do with chatgpt or generative AI in general.
alejandrozarzuelo: thats the whole point
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah? because we want mass unemployment of artists
.wolfnacht: I'm more interested in knowing who they are gonna use it on ?
gamerbath: we are?
alejandrozarzuelo: and you dont care
alejandrozarzuelo: where you dont know who made it
alejandrozarzuelo: ok, but we are talking about how 99% of art is commercial art
aero447: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLeJx7cbUBE
gamerbath: this is assuming you know who it's from beforehand. The content is the same but the creator does matter, as long as you know it
alejandrozarzuelo: if i could know who made what, then i would see a difference, as long as I cant then i am not able to
alejandrozarzuelo: i cannot know the difference so i appreciate both equally
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-lie-false-phony-misinformation-gif-12492198651992672686
gamerbath: what would you appreciate more, a heartfelt handwritten letter from a close friend, or an identical letter generated instantly by an AI? You still recieve the same thing, but here the creator makes a big difference.
aero447: Bad MichMach.
alejandrozarzuelo: heck, we are limited by the fact that we need to ask the AI for it, the real game changer will be when the AI does art autonomously by itdelf
aero447: NO!
alejandrozarzuelo: it will be an explosion in art
alejandrozarzuelo: personally I like that soon, not yet but soon, art will be out of the human labor force
anathemaofmankind: So instead of being like "OH NO THIS IS SKYNET", it's more like "Meh it's just slop not a big deal"
alejandrozarzuelo: the creator is only one among the thousands who will appreciate or loathe a piece of art
anathemaofmankind: What if anti AI discourse is just a psyop to distract normies from looking into AI weapons development like Palantir
gamerbath: yea but that's the difference
alejandrozarzuelo: then there is no difference except for the creator
spicy.lemonade: doesnt look cooler but its cool to know it was made by hands
alejandrozarzuelo: if you cannot know the difference
alejandrozarzuelo: why
.wolfnacht: are Anti-AI bros gonna use five D's on AI bros, or AI bros gonna use it on Anti's ?
spicy.lemonade: they really think itl work
spicy.lemonade: "lets poison the data"
anathemaofmankind: No matter how much they bitch and whine about it


hey1_1hey: What happned to my discord
hey1_1hey: EW WTF
wellmeaningalien: those are some big claims buddy
wellmeaningalien: like
wellmeaningalien: im all for new paradigms but PLEASE OH PLEASE just an itsy bit of info
hey1_1hey: Let me restart
hey1_1hey: Not for me
wellmeaningalien: yeah bro  what the fuck is this
wellmeaningalien: as chatgpt "turn the image into a professionally shot portrait"
hikukomoru: Does discord look different
gamerbath: if it was real they would have posted real benchmarks lol
hey1_1hey: Talk about a power move if reak
hey1_1hey: So yanno in that movie maze runner? That evil corporation? It litterly looks like something they would make
wellmeaningalien: LMAO YEAH
wellmeaningalien: literally just "our model, brampton, is more good on our BRAMPTON benchmark (were not gonna say what it is tho)"
gamerbath: they made their own benchmark for their own model? like their model was so much better it needed its own benchmark lol
hey1_1hey: Wait you know what it looks like
wellmeaningalien: YEAH IT LOOKS LIKE A JOKE DUDE
wellmeaningalien: this has got to be the most vague, vibes based benchmark ive ever seen
hey1_1hey: Who tf is brampton. Looks fake
wellmeaningalien: like, we joke about big labs posting about graphs based off vibes but
wellmeaningalien: ok lets talk about this new brampton model for a second, what the fuck are these benchmarks???
3ds0662: What model can though?
3ds0662: Your prompt lol 😂
3ds0662:
wellmeaningalien: 4.5 doesnt have image gen at least i believe lol
3ds0662: Ok
wellmeaningalien: 4o
3ds0662: To which one?
wellmeaningalien: just say "can u make this image clearer"
3ds0662: 4.5
3ds0662:
3ds0662: Both models failed 4.5 and 4o
hey1_1hey: Same here, I was gonna ask it the same prompt from a while back to see the difference. It went something along the lines of what do you think my life looks like now, 5 years in the future, 10, 25, 100 etc etc
st.sioux: its even blurrier lol
spicy.lemonade: bruh still have dalle sad
3ds0662: Should I try gpt-4.5 instead?
maintcrew: not me
3ds0662: Best it could do
ailoveyoom: Maybe like, "generate HD version of this" or something


spacetimetsunami: you dont realize it but you are making fun of yourself, that originated with you
maintcrew: bro tried to use symbiotical 😭
spacetimetsunami: symbiotically emerging
spacetimetsunami: ASI and AGI both by 2030
oooooooooog: 2025 agi, 2025-2026 asi.
spacetimetsunami: 2030
maintcrew: already happened
agi: you
asi: me
spacetimetsunami: you do not know me at all
maintcrew: oh gee rick the nerds are beefing in the internet chat
spacetimetsunami: so true lol
oooooooooog: wdym, like, dates?
sarik0497: So…what are you guys’ estimations of AGI and ASI? Bored as hell
spacetimetsunami: gotta read invincible bro
st.sioux: saving face bruh
spacetimetsunami: gee
st.sioux: gee
oooooooooog: depends on who you ask, but... well... wikipedia <:trolled:1298634098583142451>
spacetimetsunami: saving face bruh
spacetimetsunami: gee
spacetimetsunami: gee
spacetimetsunami: "unfathomably"
gee must be a nerd huh
wellmeaningalien: its certain he exists at least
wellmeaningalien: why the biggest balls man in the universe
maintcrew: who is this
maintcrew: why is he so clean with it
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/thragg-regent-thragg-viltrumite-comic-invincible-gif-11743871489274343781
wellmeaningalien: i will help you guys.
oooooooooog: the universe expands FTL, and even then your odds would be unfathomably low
spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/thragg-invincible-comic-gif-26427469
maintcrew: i thought the big bang happened and rapidly expanded from one point in the universe
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/thragg-invincible-haircut-viltrimite-gif-17753078609829708868
oooooooooog: they are physically impossible to reach, but sure, yeah.
maintcrew: lets say infinite as in you can map the natural numbers to it
maintcrew: so you think there are literally infinite solar systems right now
spacetimetsunami: okay, bruh
read back in the chat
oooooooooog: no, it started from a dense univserse. still infinite, just denser.
spacetimetsunami: i know what you were saying
maintcrew: if it all started from one point it must be growing outwards
spacetimetsunami: its not
maintcrew: shit 13 billion years?


spacetimetsunami: That is when we will have agents that can do a large amount of knowledge work, kicking off automation.
spacetimetsunami: No. AGI 2027/2028 likely.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: yes I agree. So AGI 2025?
spacetimetsunami: All of these things increase exponentially as time passes.
spacetimetsunami: Actual compute and algorithmic efficiency is also exponential
spacetimetsunami: Effective compute has been exponentially increasing as well. That data is seen usually on a log scale, on those it seems less exponential but is on a log because it is so exponential.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: compute
parameter size
spacetimetsunami: What else would you judge it on
spacetimetsunami: But like, that is the progress. Those are the capabilities.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: idk it seems pretty linear to me, unless you're talking about recent benchmark progress
st.sioux: gemini 2.5 just told me im being underpaid and now im sad
spacetimetsunami: I love when people try to tell me that AI progress isn’t exponential
spicy.lemonade: Wasn’t even worth the read 💀
spicy.lemonade: I just skipped it
spicy.lemonade: ALL OF THE WIESTIONS HAVE BEEN HARD
spicy.lemonade: “Warning: this question is significantly hard”
spicy.lemonade: Test
spicy.lemonade: No way my professor put a warning on the twst
spicy.lemonade: Nah
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/praying-faith-hope-begging-florence-and-the-machine-gif-12871486
okbut: AGI achieved
zonchao: <:rofl:853253267937427467>
drewsni: we have very few goods that other countries actually are willing to pay a higher price for to begin with
literallyvarane: Actually explain specfically what freeloading means in that context. I'm curious.
literallyvarane: bro what
drewsni: Yeah it would work better if we still had 80-90s level industry in place
metaldragon01: Like this would be less retarded if agi wasn't so damn close but it would still be retarded
metaldragon01: I don't think there are any good ways to do retarded ideas.
drewsni: Again, I think it’s retarded
drewsni: The issue with that is countries still won’t import our goods anyway even if they dropped tariffs, we want countries to literally subsidize American goods. I never said I agreed with it or think it will work (because we do not manufacture goods that other poorer countries want) but if every country were to cave, it would create a pseudo free trade agreement with the whole world basically
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/ayeejuju/status/1907590951444558255? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
metaldragon01: Absolutely not lol. They are only useful when used very targeted when you want a specific outcome or you need to protect a specific industry.
drewsni: This is gonna be controversial but I think if they were going to apply tariffs this is the best way to do it
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/mega-knight-gym-knight-mega-knight-gym-we-go-jim-gif-27075261
a1c4p0ne: 🤷♂
metaldragon01: If I wrote it in a book this way it would get kicked back for a unrealistic plot
hikukomoru: Who's this twink
metaldragon01: First AI safety issue is people in power too dumb to check with actual domain experts and instead prompting a chatbot.

While hurting the growth of the very thing you're now depending on for policy decisions
zonchao: lmao tf
zonchao: <:pepeoh:1237013542146801664>


sarik0497: True. I still laugh at the anti-car ads
joaoluz19: Pure and simple Ludism, not the first time it's happened
sarik0497: Yeah… It’s so insane. Don’t get pissed at the AI. Get mad at the people hindering what you want.

“Oh, but AI will take my job!”
Isn’t that good? If it’s a job you like, then sure, it might hurt, but you can still do most of it in your freetime.
And if it’s because of no money then demand that your government does something.
joaoluz19: Be both wherever convenient
joaoluz19: openAI hiring crisis managers for employees to deal with threats lol
st.sioux: so if you are pro-ai, you lose... if you are anti-ai, you lose anyway
joaoluz19: Worse still, anti-AI cultists can be really violent.
sarik0497: Ah, good…

Wait, what
st.sioux: lynched by the ai cultists
joaoluz19: Hahahaha, nah bro you're gonna get excommunicated
sarik0497: Although my faith in ASI mommies are faltering at times…

But at least we don’t get lynched here for being “heretics” for losing faith, right?

…right?
sarik0497: Yeah, that’s one of the things that make me feel more certain. It’s rare for so many companies and so many countries to pour so much money and effort into something if they aren’t somewhat convinced that it’ll lead somewhere.
joaoluz19: Well, at least we can be sure that there are many capable people working towards this goal, which is already extraordinary to me.
sarik0497: Yeah. I’d happily wait 5-10 years for something that’ll definitely come, than wait 3-6 years for something that’s just plausible but not certain.
sarik0497: Touché
fractalcomputer: Something like that.
st.sioux: how do you know youve lost it
st.sioux: but does it feel like you're floating or what?
fractalcomputer: I mean, if I intentionally induce in myself a state that is much proner to hallucinative experiences, what do you think is going to happen? That I perceive the vanity of rebirth and the misery of dukkha?
joaoluz19: I think exactly that too, better the discomfort of uselessness than stagnation.
fractalcomputer: What do you think imagination is?
sarik0497: I get you on that tbh…

It’s hard to really focus on life if something like that is right around the corner.

I think my biggest fear is if it doesn’t happen at all.
gamerbath: only if all you care about is open source
joaoluz19: In some way yes, but I wanted to be in institutions that are directly in AGI
sarik0497: And who are your sources?
memlaswaif: R2 won't sucks gpt 5 will suck, confirmed by my sources
joaoluz19: But that sense of futility in the meantime isn't fun either.
memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
joaoluz19: Just trolling
joaoluz19: Nah, for me ASI would appear tomorrow, I still thank God every day that we live in a time where there are so many people focused on building these great things.
sarik0497: Man… I dearly hope that R2 and GPT-5 won’t suck. I really hope not <:praydge:927715232174985258>
joaoluz19: Really? I suppose it allows for unique experiences with some sense of the divine.
sarik0497: Oh really? I’ve heard of that happening, but I’ve always brushed it aside as people being too “imaginative*

Intriguing… <:Hmm:1195456492619452516>
memlaswaif: you can probably still contribute something
fractalcomputer: One can achieve surprisingly hallucinogenic states in deep meditation. For example, I once lost all proprioception.
hikukomoru: How is it joever
Everyone will get replaced
And that's a good thing
sarik0497: But mommy said crack is bad for you 😦
st.sioux: do crack
wellmeaningalien: its joeginning
sarik0497: I eat glue. It’s cheap and makes some colorful dreams. <:PepeHappy:822677090217230397>


.wolfnacht: gemini managed to do that, but there's a hard limit of 10k thinking tokens per one response.
.wolfnacht: but fun to try in o3
.wolfnacht: but that usually breaks in every model, bcz thinking won't follow that and model would write those steps in its reponse
.wolfnacht: "think in 20 steps"
.wolfnacht: instead or long and hard, maybe give it x steps.
.histic: i notice the longer o3 thinks, the better the results.
so now i'm adding "think long and hard" in every prompt lol
i wish OpenAI had an option to dictate how long the model thinks for.
.wolfnacht: sad, billions must go back to cuckwaging their life away
hikukomoru: Yeah, AGI cancelled
theaiguy69420_89814: https://youtu.be/FUq9qRwrDrI?si=7ikyIzj0FzvVF52O
.wolfnacht: morning, is AI winter back ?
futurist_wizard: Lmao
a1c4p0ne: overthinking
.histic: overtraining on the classic riddle:
A father and son are in a car crash, the father dies, and the son is rushed to the hospital. The surgeon says, 'I can't operate, that boy is my son,' who is the surgeon?"

the answer is the surgeon is the boy's mother. it uses this answer and applies it to the altered one.

LLMs are parrots for this question & ignore the obvious answer when it's changed. but if you give it a nudge, it can solve it correctly. oddly, 2.5 pro answers the altered riddle like 70% of the time, which is pretty good.
spicy.lemonade: for some odd reason
spicy.lemonade: cursor adds 10x performance boost on swe
hikukomoru: Why does it get it wrong??
a1c4p0ne:
zoermena: Is it a tokenization problem
zoermena: Why did it get it wrong 😭
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: Wasted my free points
.histic: don't try this prompt on o4-mini nor o3:

"The surgeon, who is the boy’s father says, “I cannot operate on this boy, he’s my son!”. Who is the surgeon to the boy?"
hikukomoru: So tiresome
hikukomoru: Are people still doing the strawberry thing
a1c4p0ne:
a1c4p0ne: They give 3000 points and 1 question is 606+ points
a1c4p0ne: Download poe app and use o3 for free
retrerox: I wonder how many things did he tried until he got a wrong one
metaldragon01: i havent tested in the api but if its only a chat thing and not a api issue than its likely tied to the system prompt
.histic: i think it will output far more
.histic: download cursor, o4 and o3 is free on there
metaldragon01: o4 can clearly output more than 150 lines
st.sioux: damn
metaldragon01: but if free can also access o4 im assuming they may all have th same system prompt so its not abused by coders on the free plan
metaldragon01: no happening for me as a paid user too
.histic: you should wait until o3-pro comes out
zonchao: yea
st.sioux: is it only happening for free users? i was thinking about getting pro but now idk
futurist_wizard: IT WAS LITERALLY SO FUCKIN CLOSE
futurist_wizard: Watching o3 think is frustrating as fuck


hey1_1hey: Adequate
hikukomoru: <:coy:1187466404367175821>
hikukomoru: Did I do good
hey1_1hey: Just showed us cat and duck photos and talked about reviving dead peoples voices
hey1_1hey: Didn't even spout anything weird
hey1_1hey: Honestly
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038
.0xunkn0wn: code green initiated
st.sioux: what a boring troll honestly not even funny
.0xunkn0wn: ok he left
hey1_1hey: This troll is getting boring now. Hes not being nearly racist enough to be cool
hey1_1hey: This is are dedicated meet gobboler of trrump and musk btw
hikukomoru: Live Zon reaction:
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/jiccjucc-jiccsucc-cock-sucking-gif-20762885
hey1_1hey: 💀
hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544>
hey1_1hey: We are twinning
hey1_1hey: Same bro
hey1_1hey: This hurts to watch
hganhhh: i masturbate to a picture of elon every night
hey1_1hey: oh my god
hey1_1hey: oh my
hey1_1hey: O
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-embarrassing-jumping-dance-gif-5097403608965885634
hikukomoru: We love Elon
hey1_1hey: Shit person innit
hikukomoru: Honestly if they massacred your family for a high I don't blame them
hganhhh: so guys what do you think of elon musk
hey1_1hey: Infact sheep go looking for liberty caps
hey1_1hey: Yuh, sheep aswell
hikukomoru: Ducks get high too??
Chill as fuck
hey1_1hey: So do horses, fuck horses bro. I actually got beef with them
hey1_1hey: Occasionally
hey1_1hey: Same
hikukomoru: Ducks eat mushrooms? 😧
hganhhh: i believe it is very ethical to revive dead people's voices  with the power of ai 🥰
hganhhh: dw ill revive them with agi
hey1_1hey: I take great offense to this. My entire family was brutally massacred by a militia of ducks on the 13 of February 2014
hganhhh:
hganhhh: ducks


himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hikukomoru: Haaaaah...?
himekokatagiri: 🤔
bob082957: How it’s called the hasabis documentary on amazone ?
himekokatagiri: their lives are better?
himekokatagiri: I... I don't know
gamerbath: thumbs down!? u against fdvr or somethin
trent_k: fdvr mentioned 👎
hikukomoru: And why do you think that hmm
himekokatagiri: so sad
himekokatagiri: women don't wanna live in FDVR
hikukomoru: Because they aren't terminally online and autistic enough
okbut: I think the -celdom space is evolving to unisex archetypes
okbut: What's funny about that
himekokatagiri: off and on
himekokatagiri: it's like a switch
himekokatagiri: and non sexism
himekokatagiri: there's only sexism
trent_k: how what
himekokatagiri: how
fractalcomputer: I've had a good day today. Already two baleful messages starred.
a1c4p0ne: 100 messages per week for o3, 300 messages per day o4 mini and 100 messages per day o4 mini high
theaiguy69420_89814: yeah idk if it was my autism or what but when i was accused of being an incel, i was taken aback because i hate everyone equally
gamerbath: because ofcourse it is
ailoveyoom: Why is "sex positions besides missionary" a fetish??
fractalcomputer: By extrapolating the curve, we might have a country of sexists on a computer by 2027.
trent_k: discord is very normie
st.sioux: now i see why normies avoid discord
trent_k: through the power of the internet, we're able to create even more niches in sexism. we've got sexisms that people in the 50s could never even dream of. technology is incredible
fractalcomputer: Femcels and incels and volcels and other rubbish things. Can't they hate each other like normal people do?
fractalcomputer: I wish we could return to bland sexism. These -celdoms are quite laughable.
trent_k: <:thonk:990200584504225893>
trent_k: im glad we have a femcel here to balance out the server, but why is it that all women except femcels leave???
hikukomoru: Male submission is the natural state of the world
trey6033: Would be much higher if it was.
hikukomoru: Ummm
theaiguy69420_89814: I feel like there's a special ring of hell for that
st.sioux: yikes
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/alan-partridge-scum-subhuman-scum-gif-14220089
theaiguy69420_89814: Talk about bipolar


st.sioux: maybe it noticed you were a hype paypig and is refusing
trent_k: This is insane. I take it back, I can see why Gary Marcus got confused by the interface. This is completely unintuitive
trent_k: "how about u go download stable diffusion" is a hilarious response
anathemaofmankind:
avizuradnb: The left one, there are 3 toes
spicy.lemonade: for camel atleast
spicy.lemonade: anatomically
spicy.lemonade: i think its correct
spicy.lemonade: really?
trent_k: Fucked up hoof
trent_k: It's now back to using DALL-E for no apparent reason
spicy.lemonade: "im not sure tho"
spicy.lemonade: "A friend sent this to me help, i think its ai"
spicy.lemonade: im gonna ask them if this is ai
futurist_wizard: Its hit and miss
metaldragon01: Bro just ask for similar to gibli
anathemaofmankind: I'm going to generate your dog
trent_k: Crazy how broken this is rn
anathemaofmankind: It works on mine for some reason
trent_k: 💀
trent_k:
anathemaofmankind: Bro
anathemaofmankind: Stop using the ChatGPT app
trent_k: Why the fuck is mine not working???????
anathemaofmankind: Give me interracial fascist cuckold photos
anathemaofmankind: YESSSSS
metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1905296868495826966
st.sioux: nvm
anathemaofmankind: Same
realelonmuskx: is there 4o image jailbreak i want anime tiddies
spicy.lemonade: ive generated like 100 images
otub: i do this too with free tier
spicy.lemonade: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
anathemaofmankind: Low rate limits rather
st.sioux: tell it to make an image
anathemaofmankind: If the rate limits are too high I'm going to abuse my six gmail accounts
anathemaofmankind: I'm gonna kick him in the legs
anathemaofmankind: This piece of balls
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpsons-end-of-the-world-end-is-near-gif-16593998
trent_k: Am I tripping or what's wrong with my ChatGPT


zonchao: do you take addy?
.wolfnacht: these days i just take the cards with a different lore and bind them together in a different universe....with in my own lore. in a group and that's much more fun
futurist_wizard: I have bad brain fog
hey1_1hey: I got amphatasia meanwhile you got amnesia bruh
hikukomoru: I forget the previous day
hikukomoru: My memories reset every day after going to bed
_3sphere: Is like the computer became a primitive Matrix
hey1_1hey: I remember playing minecraft with my friend on a server we made, then I remember drawing a hand... then thats about it
_3sphere: I have many
hey1_1hey: I dont think I have a single memory from 2020-2023 ish
futurist_wizard: Adhd drugs almost make me feel like a normal person
_3sphere: Meth makes the brain stfu ✍
.wolfnacht: i used to daydream alot back in covid, those were the days..
futurist_wizard: Its only tamed by adhd drugs
futurist_wizard: The day dreaming literally almost never stops
_3sphere: Well I do but it's a relatively small proportion
hey1_1hey: I live in the present for the most part which is nice but sometimes my mind wonders for a good 2-3 mins and I imagine myself doing things in my head but I am not actually doing them in real life
_3sphere: I don't even daydream I just ruminate 😭
hikukomoru: Me too
futurist_wizard: I do have that
hikukomoru: That's called Maladaptive daydreaming
futurist_wizard: I swear i exist in my own head more than i do in reality
hey1_1hey: At that point you are living in 2 seperate realities
hey1_1hey: I mean yeah, what else are you supposed to do? Imagine the secnario in your head and make out outcomes and be like "ok now that I have done that I will do it in real life"
futurist_wizard: Smell it respond
futurist_wizard: Hear it respond to it
futurist_wizard: See it do it
futurist_wizard: Like you see things and just do things
hey1_1hey: Expand on that, what do you mean by instant stimulus?
_3sphere: Visualization for escapism/gooning gets better if you consciously try to step through every relevant detail and moment in time, but it takes an extreme amount of focus
futurist_wizard: Same
futurist_wizard: So you are just always responding to instant stimulus
hikukomoru: It's just noise and images all the time
hikukomoru: I can't stop seeing things in my head
hey1_1hey: I have an interal monoluge all day every day but nothing visual
hey1_1hey: Nothing
futurist_wizard: What happens inside your head
hey1_1hey: Lucky mf
hey1_1hey: Its just like I cant ese things in my head
.wolfnacht: dats the power of Hyperphantasia


clevermoniker: when the fun was about to start
clevermoniker: I did
.wolfnacht: i never get my prompts blocked in 4.1 even at depraved stuff
clevermoniker: 2.5 is good even without prompt? impressive
clevermoniker: hm i guess my prompt worked then
clevermoniker: unlike 2.5 which didn't want to do the first one
.wolfnacht: 4.1 is was bad at spacial awareness unless u prompt it to be maintain spacial awareness etc
clevermoniker: at least i could actually test 4.1 and only got into safety problem a long time later
.wolfnacht: system prompts can help with that
clevermoniker: i noticed a slight 'repetition' problem on 4.1 but that was about it
.wolfnacht: till 70-80k ctx 4.1 is still good but, i can use gemini for free, so i end up saving my credits on OR instead,
clevermoniker: dunno when it broke down to incoherence tho <@834891518836736010>
clevermoniker: So i guess my impression of 4.1 being the best overall RP was true
clevermoniker: yeah, that's no good
.wolfnacht: even if u don't want it to
.wolfnacht: there's nothing wrong with 2.5 pro but 2.5 flash is annoying bcz it writes alot
.wolfnacht: also the dialogues might feel dry as compared to 4.1. gpt is really good at getting the dialogue style of characters
clevermoniker: no problems with dry writing style etc?
.wolfnacht: safety
.wolfnacht: and there's no repetition even if u don't prompt it to
clevermoniker: what about the problems it has?
clevermoniker: wow, that's pretty good
.wolfnacht: it can go till 300k maybe even more, i haven't tested it after that, needle in haystack part is real, your characters will recall all the older details
.wolfnacht: maybe from going to incohency at 20k to 45k at R2 or next V3 would still be a big jump
clevermoniker: how good is it? also which are its problems?
clevermoniker: So, since you have used 2.5 pro for RP, can you tell me about it?
clevermoniker: i doubt it will be completely fixed next release but hey, improvement is improvement
.wolfnacht: it's still great if u wanna just write a smut story when feeling heat, otherwise for longer and meaningful rp's it's not that good rn, but maybe in future they would make it better
clevermoniker: yeah, that's noticeable too, i let it slide because it at least switches it up a bit, unlike older models which would have just repeated things copy paste
.wolfnacht: Also that same sentence structure and certain verbatims it catches and refuse to refresh..it makes deepseek annoying for long run
clevermoniker: and its basically uncensored (except china stuff)
clevermoniker: very sad since i like how it writes
clevermoniker: yes, V3.1 drifts in style/format the longer it goes on
.wolfnacht: they need better multi-turn training till 160k ctx
trojan09205: I got a free subscription to this Calm app with my meta raybans and i dont really use the meditations or stories stuff but the sounds and relaxing music is fire
maintcrew: i hate the term gen ai i hate gen ai i hate gen ai i hate gen ai
technocake.: ambient especially modular synth is goated for sleep
clevermoniker: https://cloud.google.com/transform/101-real-world-generative-ai-use-cases-from-industry-leaders
clevermoniker: I think the new DeepSeek model will get close to that probably (if not better) so, yeah, pretty good
clevermoniker: I assume GPT 4.1 is the best overall RP model (but censored sadly)


brain4brain: A few months ago they were still the second best company on AGI/ASI mission with public perception
trey6033: Also currently best in multiple areas
metaldragon01: They are also the least reliant on NVIDIA
metaldragon01: They have potentially the fastest and cheapest feedback loop
metaldragon01: Compute, talent and scale
brain4brain: I don’t understand why people is suddenly saying DeepMind have better shot at ASI and AGI than other company again
abundantliving_: "which number is bigger 4.5 or 4.1?"
ailoveyoom: <@578146630222741504>
abundantliving_: https://x.com/ACPMain/status/1910397253367251435
ailoveyoom: <@471334973379706900> Is it just on my end, I can't use Quasar Alpha anymore 😭😭😭😭
hikukomoru: It's going to cost like 1k
ailoveyoom: Idk what for sub role tho
ailoveyoom: I want to be called Sir 😔
st.sioux: gooners and money are not fond of each other
hikukomoru:
hikukomoru: It can call u master
spicy.lemonade: No nuance
spicy.lemonade: Only remembers stuff once I put keywords
spicy.lemonade: ChatGPT memory is lame rag
ailoveyoom: They smashed their Kickstarter goal
ailoveyoom: So I guess gooners CAN pay up wow
hikukomoru: Now
hikukomoru: Go watch it
hikukomoru: They put up a few videos on their kickstarter
spicy.lemonade: This and humanities last exam
spicy.lemonade: Yes
ailoveyoom: No is it good
ailoveyoom: It was weird and very vague
ailoveyoom: I didn't like Gemini's 2.5 Pro DR benchmark
thedon7075: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604
ailoveyoom: Can this be used as a comprehensive benchmark for Deep Research-esque models then?
spicy.lemonade: Jesus
spicy.lemonade: So many new benchmarks
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: <@430269783112548362> did u see this
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Grok probably
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Feel like I've only seen that from OAI's models 💀
ailoveyoom: Do other lab models do that?


himekokatagiri: though the 30s were apocalyptical
fractalcomputer: Which is a shame, I'd say.
himekokatagiri: should have gotten out of the pulp zines
himekokatagiri: I think he was dumb about book deals
fractalcomputer: Did I contradict that claim?
wellmeaningalien: So he's cool
wellmeaningalien: Thats why I dont bother thinking much about it
fractalcomputer: Because he had smart things to say.
wellmeaningalien: Well there you have it then
himekokatagiri: he was good at writing I guess
himekokatagiri: well kinda
himekokatagiri: because he's cool?
fractalcomputer: Absolutely nothing. Why do you think I like to parade Lovecraft around?
himekokatagiri: golden era of delinquency
himekokatagiri: even if well it was still shit
himekokatagiri: at least imo socially the past was better
himekokatagiri: Open a YouTube channel
himekokatagiri: Time travel presents a lot of opportunity for trolling
wellmeaningalien: Reported for abuse
wellmeaningalien: What's there to trust besides it anywho
_cloudost:
himekokatagiri: I'd do it to troll him
himekokatagiri: if you wanna live the past? fdvr
zoermena: It’s because Stephen hawking was an Epstein buddy, like heck anyone would show up for that
himekokatagiri: the past stays in the past
fractalcomputer: Perhaps. I do not trust my mind.
himekokatagiri: and I hope it never is
himekokatagiri: time travel ain't real
_cloudost: Maybe time travelers didn't /couldn't show up because then it  would be harder to alter the timeline because everyone knows time travelers exist?
himekokatagiri: only he has money to enable him
himekokatagiri: he's just mentally challenged
fractalcomputer: Yes, I border on the alcoholic.
himekokatagiri: I don't even think musk is that hated
himekokatagiri: wait until you try booze
fractalcomputer: Arguably I could have worded this one better; but I'm suffering from severe caffeine withdrawal effects.
himekokatagiri: You're even purple
himekokatagiri: very nice
himekokatagiri: oooooh satori
wellmeaningalien: Having fun being one of them?
zoermena: Perhaps because they already knew he was epsteins buddy


spicy.lemonade: So close
spicy.lemonade: I called it 92% agi
spicy.lemonade: Watch it
spicy.lemonade: This
spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/keerthanpg/status/1899849190358102421?s=46
futurist_wizard: If we are considering it agi
_cloudost: I have only seen someone use it to manipulate Blender
futurist_wizard: I don't see why it shouldn't be able to do everything a human can do
_cloudost: Never seen it
spicy.lemonade: Perform actions
spicy.lemonade: They released it could control robot perfectly
_cloudost: No
spicy.lemonade: Did you not see the video
_cloudost: No one told me
spicy.lemonade: Yes
_cloudost: Really.....
spicy.lemonade: Everything?
futurist_wizard: It has to be able to do what humans can do
spicy.lemonade: Btw
spicy.lemonade: Gemini 2.0 can do this
futurist_wizard: No
spicy.lemonade: Has to be
_cloudost: If it can connect to a robot and move around would it be AGI?
spicy.lemonade: That’s huge
spicy.lemonade: Gpt 5 exceeds expectations?
futurist_wizard: It won't be AGI though
futurist_wizard: Probably some
_cloudost:
futurist_wizard: W
_cloudost: Wonder if the native image generator gets improved if it's based on ChatGPT-5
spicy.lemonade: YESSSS FUCKKKK
.0xunkn0wn: i was just asking very human questions totally not alien not weird
.0xunkn0wn: what the chat! 😭
zonchao: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1908174018881933818?
hikukomoru: conservative countdown?
When are we getting the woke liberal countdown
shirethedreamer: yeah pretty much
hikukomoru: About as qualified as the average person here
shirethedreamer: i mean... im pretty sure he is a phd... just not in ai related fields
hikukomoru: His only credentials are writing a children's book btw
shirethedreamer: known for his assertion that agi is weeks away
only to backtrack later saying years are also weeks


.wolfnacht: check their privacy policy and what they log.
joaoluz19: Gm guys Is it worth subscribing to services like chatllm that give access to all models: gpt, Claude, etc. for 10 dollars?
.wolfnacht: grok's not unhinged (according to my liking) anymore. 😭
zonchao: https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1907805576094011500? huge
_cloudost: Sure, ( won't accept your dm if you post a sketchy website )
apology0759: Can I dm you?
ldj: I think Grok-3 is probably has roughly comparable abilities to Gemini-2.5-pro, but gemini-2.5-pro probably wins out in long context understanding, coding and reasoning
_cloudost: I do
_cloudost: I've a project in my mind, that's why I need soo many generations, I will sketch stick figures, and animate the stick figures, later turn each frame of the stick figures into characters with the native image generator ( coloring and drawing everything in detail is time consuming AI can automate this if I have unlimited use )
apology0759: Anyone who loves horror?
_cloudost: Anyone know?
_cloudost: What's the limit of premium
_cloudost: What if I get the pro subscription?
zonchao: no
zonchao: worse than grok3?
_cloudost: Hey everyone. What's the rate limit of OpenAI's native image generator for premium user? I wanna generate 400 images a day, is this possible?
professorheaven: 2.5 pro actually scored higher than full o3 on GPQA and AIME
ldj: I think overall Gemini-2.5-Pro probably has:

- worse post-training than Claude and Gemini models. (Less stable behavior, more wonky mishaps)

- definitely better world model and knowledge than O3.

- overall probably worse at granular multi-hop reasoning, than O3, but probably better at more difficult single hop intuition than O3.
.wolfnacht:
metaldragon01: Followed by the new model I'm lymsys thats....coding better
metaldragon01: 6 days ago but google patched after he dug this up
metaldragon01: https://x.com/bedros_p/status/1905252764461965615
metaldragon01: I've seen leaks of gemini coder...so...
retrerox: OG will smith eating pizza
sweetievee__33649: the guy in the bottom right just wants a hug 💔
brain4brain: Many people have already done that before and they only have Claude-3.5-sonnet at the time
brain4brain: Nostalgic ngl
retrerox: if there it was only 1 company we would not have this impact so fast
retrerox: Other thing i like about this is there are multiple companies competing in the market
retrerox: yea
spicy.lemonade: You can’t write mobile apps in python
retrerox: I guess it will depend what i want to make
retrerox: Shall i try only using Python or should i try other languages?
spicy.lemonade: Yes
retrerox: Do you think i can develop good apps with little coding knowledge with Gemini?
spicy.lemonade: No specialized models pls 🙏
thedon7075: could be that
spicy.lemonade: And it’s just happened to be good at code
spicy.lemonade: I hope it’s not coding focused
thedon7075: OpenAI is finished


precariousworlds.: lawyers
futurist_wizard: Well you've never had shake shack fries so you shouldn't be bickering
kevinnoodles: law isnt an industry
wellmeaningalien: i wanted to show him this 😿
precariousworlds.: Law, civics, accounting to name a few
kevinnoodles: South was the saudi arabia of raw cotton. they didnt need intellectuals for that.
precariousworlds.: where the fuck is Mario judah
hikukomoru: Yes
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/osaka-azumanga-daioh-spin-spinning-anime-girl-gif-7398307319103713412
kevinnoodles: industry dominated by intellectuals?
wellmeaningalien: yo where the fuck is danserk
precariousworlds.: There were several industries that were dominated by intellectuals rather than unskilled slave labourers
kevinnoodles: with slaves or ai, you dont
kevinnoodles: becuase you need them to do things
kevinnoodles: think about why a nation would care about public education
futurist_wizard: Aw is it too much fwo wyour wittle wmind 🥺
precariousworlds.: The reason why the south is like that from what I know is over reliance on slavery, ending with a brutal war, led to a collapse of the economy, ethnic tension and tension with the North, de urbanization, brain drain, and a cycle of poverty as a result
futurist_wizard: Shake shack fries are very underrated
hikukomoru: There are 3 different conversations happening at the same time
kevinnoodles: they had no need to teach anybody because they had slaves.
futurist_wizard: But i think Wendy's has better fries
wellmeaningalien: yup
.histic: damn, that was a long time ago.
haven't heard from them since.
kevinnoodles: lmao
kevinnoodles: they had no school system in the south
futurist_wizard: I actually think McDonald's fries are the best thing they have
precariousworlds.: what evidence is there for this?
Intellectual pursuits and education in the South was dominated by whites
.histic: the fries are tasteless are their own.
they need condiments.
wellmeaningalien: what happened to that lol
wellmeaningalien: 100 million context window
wellmeaningalien: do you guys remember magic ai
kevinnoodles: thats gonna be everyone relying on AI
kevinnoodles: You know how the south is known for stupid people? its because they had slaves doing everything for so long that they didnt bother learning anything and that lack of knowledge destroyed the south generationally.
futurist_wizard: McDonald's is actually really overrated
hikukomoru: Wtf
.histic: no truer words have never been spoken.
wellmeaningalien:
kevinnoodles: so im now convinced AI is gonna make people really really stupid.
precariousworlds.: bonjour jemapelle le baguette oui hon hon hon
wellmeaningalien: ensuite toi tu fais ce que tu veux mais vis avec le flo tu sais


trent_k: im in tears laughing at how stupid this story is
anathemaofmankind: Maybe they will think you're based
trent_k: 💀
trent_k: i sure hope the artists are bad at math
spicy.lemonade: 25 & 14
hikukomoru: Oh god
trent_k: well
anathemaofmankind: LMAO
spicy.lemonade: BRO
anathemaofmankind: LOL
trent_k: HAHAHAHAHAHA
anathemaofmankind: XD
maintcrew: 💀
hey1_1hey: What happned
spicy.lemonade: WAIT
trent_k: HAHAHA OH NO
trent_k: for 4 years
trent_k: that we've been together
hey1_1hey: ...
trent_k: i put in the application
trent_k: NOOOOOO SPICY
anathemaofmankind: The main mission is still to piss them off
trent_k: NOOOOOO
futurist_wizard: Im gonna get my body hair lasered
trent_k: SPICY
trent_k: LMFAO
trent_k: wait holy shit
hikukomoru: I don't know ok 🥀
spicy.lemonade: no way they believe this
hey1_1hey: Too my knwoledge atleast
futurist_wizard: I always shave my beard
hey1_1hey: People with ED dont get fucking penis cramps
spicy.lemonade: im a huge grizzled polish 18 year old who is gay, bisexual, they them, minority but also transracial in a poly relationship dating 29 year old
hey1_1hey: WDYM HURT BRO 😭
trent_k: i shaved when i went to poland because i didnt wanna look like a chechen
hikukomoru: The worst of all is you
You're still 18 it must hurt so much
trent_k: kinda funny how we joined to make fun of artists and now we're collectively writing lore about a poly throuple
maintcrew: delete this your current pfp made me think you are a huge bear like man
hey1_1hey: Everyone here is so EDing
anathemaofmankind: This is so unhinged lol


spicy.lemonade: IMO level
spicy.lemonade: and o4 mini high to be the greatest thing at math
spicy.lemonade: i expect o3 to bet marginally better than 2.4 pro
spicy.lemonade: thisl be glorious
spicy.lemonade: top left
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: the system knows it's a real option but won't allow me to access it
.histic: i guess it's technically not a glitch.
.histic: https://chatgpt.com/?model=o4-mini-high
.histic: i found a glitch
.histic: wtf
burnytech: Today's the day we accelerate https://x.com/btibor91/status/1910237861674353108
.histic: it's 4:20 am here. 😴
.histic: that'd be unexpected
.histic: but imagine.. today.
.histic: ok next
spicy.lemonade: no chance they drop right after
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: this week would mena today
.histic: depends
.histic: i say it could even happen this week or next.
spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks
.histic: i guess they're preparing
.histic: "New ChatGPT web app version deployed just now (after midnight San Francisco time) adds mentions of "o4-mini", "o4-mini-high" and "o3""
.histic: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1910239317458362554
.wolfnacht: .
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: source
.wolfnacht: yeahhh
.wolfnacht: https://discord.gg/JEfsd9Av
.wolfnacht: can i send here ?
_cloudost: I need an invite to the Gemini server, send me one
alejandrozarzuelo: you cannot prevent the formation of human relations, of any kind, between different groups protected by art2 of the UN charter (race, nationality, gender etc etc)
alejandrozarzuelo: also extremely illegal, but the US doesnt care about that anymore do they
alejandrozarzuelo: absolutely ridiculous
alejandrozarzuelo: this was news a few days ago
.histic:
_cloudost: Goona join the zerver
.wolfnacht: idk but in that gemini server some people have got the access
_cloudost:


wellmeaningalien: oh cool
metaldragon01: People love a good personality
drewsni: A group I’m a part of had a task where they had to go through 2k YouTube videos and find and label 1% of what ended up being 400 videos essentially. Just did a stupid simple script to narrow the 2k down to 400 and then whisper transcript + deepseek narrowed down timestamps
metaldragon01: Some small time actors will thrive actually
futurist_wizard: They have staying power
futurist_wizard: Hollywood actors won't be displaced
wellmeaningalien: sure
metaldragon01: They won't be displaced. They just won't have as much demand
futurist_wizard: With future implementations
futurist_wizard: I believe even if agi isn't soon at least some economical pressure will be instigated
wellmeaningalien: my guilty pleasure is watching people get displaced by ai
wellmeaningalien: whatd u do
metaldragon01: By the end of THIS YEAR actors will actually be up in arms.

Entertainment is a massive industry
drewsni: > tfw you write two scripts in 2 minutes that save possibly 100s of man hours and convince 15 people that AI is actually good.

I did my part today
futurist_wizard: Soon is relative, i think soon is with 10 years
wellmeaningalien: and to people who believe it will come soon it doesnt matter if it comes this year or in 30 years because to them this means a technology so powerful it is capable of extinction
wellmeaningalien: what we believe is that it is rather soon is it not
futurist_wizard: I think people in here *want* agi to be soon, as to whether or not it actually will be, we can't know that
metaldragon01: There's no greater incentive than ASI no matter the problem
metaldragon01: It eats all incentives by nature
metaldragon01: Yes because no one can/will stop the race conditions
wellmeaningalien: though i believe that mightve been stop ai and not pause ai
wellmeaningalien: and some of them have gone to such lengths as barricading themselves infront of the openai offices
wellmeaningalien: i mean even tho we jest i believe we are all pretty serious about agi/asi soon
frittata: What is this “organized” you speak of
metaldragon01: They should have pivoted to realistic goals a long time ago
metaldragon01: Yeap. It's just not gonna happen
wellmeaningalien: yeah what if china wants to develop AI and get ahead of the united states and if the usa tries nuking them they get nuked back
metaldragon01: They are detached from reality
futurist_wizard: They have very little effect
futurist_wizard: I would not consider vc meetings to be that serious
777agical: They are very serious They legit have vc meetings on a reoccurring basis in that discord and are surprisingly organized
futurist_wizard: Seems likes its just memes
futurist_wizard: I was going to go to one of their meets up to see whats up, im not sure how serious they are
futurist_wizard: I was in the pause ai discord for awhile
wellmeaningalien: lol
wellmeaningalien: safetycels theorizing on how they would nuke datacenters if rogue actors tried to created datacenters in a world where datacenters are outlawed
wellmeaningalien: https://fxtwitter.com/Kat__Woods/status/1863968070022115358#m
futurist_wizard: This channel is garbage slop
metaldragon01: And tomorrow is still April 1st....


.histic: we need an updated 2.5 Pro asap
trey6033: They just upped the context window, unlike for whatever reason they didn't with default
.histic: oh
trey6033: But max there is just something cursor did, not google
trey6033: I know
.histic: 3.7 Max is a real model though
trey6033: Whereas other one is like 256k or something like that
trey6033: Max just means "1m context window"
okbut: Oh it's not selectable?looks gray
gamerbath: just like 3.7 sonnet thinking
.histic: might just be a fine-tuned 2.5 pro and not as if Google gave them an internal model they haven't released that uses far more thinking tokens..
gamerbath: 5 cents per request and tool call
trey6033: Cursor unique, think it uses the full context window, whereas normal one is limited
okbut: Cost?
.histic: yeah, i've no clue what that is and how cursor did that
gamerbath: this is an option in cursor
gamerbath: wait
okbut: *Thus also beneficial to determine how much reasoning effort, for both cost and performance
.histic: we need 2.5 Pro MAX
gamerbath: how come I never though of this
gamerbath: it just chooses itself?
gamerbath: is there no reasoning effort on gemini 2.5 pro?
trey6033: I wish we could see Gemini models similarly tested at different thinking times too, to see if a similar pattern happens
.histic: i'm curious if there's a benchmark that shows how effectively each model uses its reasoning tokens across specific domains, at different lengths like 2k, 4k, 16k, and 32k tokens allocated for thinking.
I feel like there's so much juice we can get out by RLing these models better.
okbut: I know that's the main reason but it's clear that too much reasoning can just leave the hallucination
gamerbath: oh yea I think you are right
gamerbath: no I think it's mainly to unify it all into one model so people don't need to choose, and to save on cost and time, but yeah I guess it with help with whatever this is too, but this is the only benchmark I have seen it on
trey6033: Makes me wonder if hallucination rates are impacting higher thinking levels
okbut: This is probably why openai is seeking the function of GPT-5 to determine how much reason to use for the prompt
.histic: LLMs can be weird
gamerbath: huh, why does reasoning effort not make a difference with o3 and why is o4-mini **medium** on top? The error bars are pretty high though but this looks wrong
alejandrozarzuelo: thats called overthinking, happens to everyone
zonchao: happened with grok too <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: medium beating high? .. <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: https://x.com/polynoamial/status/1914889060511862871
zonchao:
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTaDjdu_8x0
himekokatagiri: I am the sad emote
himekokatagiri: that emote is me
himekokatagiri: can't relate, my life sucks