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You don't want to be in small rooms. They're claustrophobic and you don't get to grow.
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And a lot of people are saying the reason why so many people believed Dr. Nandipa and Tabo Besta is because of Pretty Privilege and the fact that they were showing what people like to think looks like success.
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But you can say, guys, yo, I'm also poor, but you're wearing Gucci head to toe, and everybody goes, yeah, yeah, this one relates to us. I'm just like, how does this make sense in our country that we're okay with this?
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And Simon Peter did. And as he took it back up, he couldn't even carry it because the net was so heavy with fish.
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That's beautiful. You know, you know what? I love that you say it's like a dream and it's an imagination, but I think that's what it is. It's a powerful imagination.
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Like, there's so much technology that's in place that is innovating the way we do everything.
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And I mean, he's like, you know, he's Nelson Mandela. Very funny guy, though, privately, people who knew him, and even publicly sometimes.
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when Africans, the African proverb that says, when elephants are fighting, it's the grass that suffers.
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And if we can push to plus three percent, plus four percent growth, plus minus five percent, we could address the issue of debt. Um that the issue is economic growth. It's not debt really. What's your response to that?
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Talk about whatever they need to talk about. And it's still running till this day.
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Can I tell you, those were like some of the hardest years of my life. And one of the things that always would get me at the Daily Show was: you're trying to make a show.
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They would never put marketer in their bio. All they'd ever do is put entrepreneur because they wanted the respect and there was no respect in saying you're a marketer in South Africa.
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Not I don't play it. I don't like playing it, but I love the rules of golf because golf, contrary to who people like the people who play it, is one of the most egalitarian fair sports that has ever been created.
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But I do think that we are in an era where people want more bang for their buck because the economy is going belly up for all of us, not just in South Africa, literally around the world.
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That's how I see women, my mothers, my younger girls. I just see everything is revolving around men. How they think. I mean, even case studies of marketing departments and different companies, Revlon had men marketing that thing, only men, until the early 2000s.
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And there's so many conversations you can have within that because results matter, right?
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Like, how does this make sense? How do we continue to speak on flourish and to see flourish manifest in our lives if there is loss and to a certain extent loss of loss of hope and loss of faith?
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That's what it means to you. I thought you were just showing me a video and that's it. And in that moment, that conflict was resolved. But it took everything in me to resolve that conflict because one, it may, sometimes vulnerability feels embarrassing. Like it feels like.
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I've got this foundation and it's going to cover this thing. Look at how amazing you look. Look, this thing is gone now. Why are you having a bad day?
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Oh, he's saying, no, Jacob is denying you. It's not me. It's Jacob. So please don't blame me if, you know, I never say the story. It's Jacob's fault that we're not having this conversation. I think it's a very good thing.
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Yes. They think you're now best friends. They think you have their phone number. They think you can like organize something with the have you had it where people ask you to pass something on?
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They were ahead of the curve. Yeah, they were ahead of the curve. So I mean, like, blogs then are basically the inception of the idea of podcasts now.
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And you are saying that you don't think even that may have been, it may have not been a mistake from him, it's just this, you know, dislike, um, hatred for Israel. Is that what we are saying here?
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Also on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, even LinkedIn, we have a page. So we are everywhere and we're having courageous conversations and unpacking what our country and the world looks like, as well as how marketing fits into our businesses, our lives, and in everything that we do.
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But not in like a morbid way, but like how old he was like five at the time, I think?
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And I feel like you're one of those people because even before your current job, you were considered one of, like if there was a Mount Rushmore of the founders of AI,
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Yeah, yeah. Um, Bavana, we have four minutes left. Um, let's be very brief here. The DA.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, look for me, Jonathan, I want them to go even more aggressively, right?
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But now that I'm older and I'm very sure of myself, I'm just genuinely humble about it in the way that's authentic to me. That makes it impossible for me to pretend. I'm not going to dumb anything down.
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And, you know, one of my best friends had a beautiful phrase that he said to me. He said, in life, sometimes you have to let go of something old.
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I read the rules, and it turns out, like, the America Ferreira card and the Margo Robbie card are very different. Exactly. And there's a lot of things you got. The Issa Ray card has a different vibe.
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And I was reading about your life. And I was just thinking to myself, you know, there's one part of the book where you make your dedications and you dedicate the book to your grandchildren.
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Hey, actually, for where I was and the way I thought, it was actually okay. That is the best that I could do. But now I know better. I'm experienced, I've seen better, I've been.
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No, you wouldn't, you would struggle. I mean, here's a person who's qualified in XYZ, but then, you know, maybe qualified in accounting or something, and he works at, I don't know, KFC or pushing trolleys at a mall.
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You know, like I remember watching you in one of the debates. This was when I was at the Daily Show. We'd watch all of it, obviously.
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Like, well, then they're not rebels, are they? I mean, if you've got a leader, you're not rebels. But yeah, people always look for just the new type of, you know.
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So your career is not your personal brand, it's just a part of it, really. And you can decide how much you want those two worlds to come together. They don't have to.
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Sure, I love that. What a great opening. And so I want to actually get into your upbringing. How was it? I think you're in Dar es Salaam?
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